[00:02] hey guys im using gpard gui and have started 'attempt data rescue' if anyone has used this can you tell me-when complete will it show partitions or raw dat- its currently 'looking for file system' [00:03] its a 3TB drive and its been 2days just wanna an idea if its worth persisting till the end [00:04] this is what screen looks like presently https://imgur.com/a/jwlkq [00:04] Anyone else have sudden issues with Ambiance theme plus gtk2.0, certain light-foreground menus are displayed improperly? [00:05] on 16.04 [00:06] 'cuz if so, there's something going on in the /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-2.0/gtkrc file, so I just overwrote it with 'Radiance' theme's gtkrc [00:06] and all is well [00:06] hi, does anyone know how to remove a ssh priv key from gnome-keyring-daemon? `ssh-add -D' doesn't work [00:07] michael2, ssh-add -D [00:07] WELL [00:07] er [00:07] well [00:07] that'll disable all, hang [00:07] think everyones drunk or in bed [00:08] 1534 of them lol [00:08] michael2, just remove the keys from the proper directory [00:08] ~/.ssh ? [00:08] nojm story of my life. [00:08] :) [00:09] SmokinGrunts: i mean the decrypted key value being stored in the agent - not the encrypted priv key files [00:09] it should update when gnome-keyring looks and update accordinly [00:09] accordingly* [00:11] are you fam with data recovery gparted (does gparted data recovery show partitions or file on scan completion?) [00:11] nojm, yep [00:11] was that yes to both partions and files [00:11] also photorec and testdisk [00:11] yes to both [00:12] what sorta drive, what happened, and what's goin' on now? [00:12] gparted won't show individual files* I think... [00:14] thats my bup plan i rewrote the partion table and can only get to some of my files with the bups i have from test disk it was an ext drive but i took out pcb and put inside pc box then partion table not there so used test disk and rewrote part table lol will get there in end but drive is huge so anything takes forever [00:14] michael2, for your reference: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472477 [00:14] Debian bug 472477 in gnome-keyring "ssh-add -D does not remove SSH key from gnome-keyring-daemon memory" [Important,Open] [00:15] nojm what manufacturer of drive? [00:15] also, try to -never- rewrite the partition table, or -write- anything on a drive you're trying to recover data from [00:15] its a seagate 3TB jugging baby a typing sorry for slow replys [00:15] no worries [00:16] okay, since I don't personally have time to field this, go here and ask the ultimate HDD reverse-engineers: http://www.hddoracle.com/ [00:16] spildit is legit, but I dunno if he works with things other than WD [00:16] thank you [00:16] they will help you so long as you present all pertinent info [00:17] no prob :) [00:17] will bookmark and get onto it ur awesome thanks [00:17] aye aye matey [00:17] SmokinGrunts: yeah its a bug. one way to fix is to prevent gnome-keyring-manager from managing ssh-keys and use something else that works, e.g. ssh-agent maybe? [00:18] michael2, hehe that'd do === pan is now known as Guest65086 [00:19] SmokinGrunts: do you know of a way to do that? im not expert at ssh [00:20] michael2, this is almost 10 years, it'd do well to post this publically, reference that bug thread link I gave you, and light some fire under folk's collective butts [00:20] 10 year old bug [00:20] lack of documentation [00:20] story of my life, once again. [00:21] I have a link for removing all keys? [00:21] https://blmath.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/remove-password-from-keyring/ [00:23] michael2, best bet is to post it on https://askubuntu.com/ , reference that debian thread, and say something like "Why isn't there a way to remove single keys, and why isn't it documented?' [00:24] link here when you're done posting so's I can see [00:27] oic you're already chattin' away in #openssh, good [00:28] SmokinGrunts: i think that would get closed as unanswerable because people can only give opinions - which will of course be controversial - and probably an upstream debian thing, then eventually.... [crickets].... occassional tumbleweed* [00:28] hi is this the place for community support? [00:28] no! always err on the side of documenting issues! [00:28] if you present your words properly, magical things can happen. [00:31] pep_: yes [00:33] michael2: try this workaround (disabling gnome keyring daemons ssh agent functionality) https://askubuntu.com/questions/545172/how-do-i-disable-gnome-keyring-ssh-integration#607563 [00:34] you'll need to logout + login from the graphical desktop to apply the change. [00:34] hi tomreyn, I installed ubuntu in the 4th partition of my ssd, and I cannot log into windows now (2nd partition) [00:35] I get to the loading screen of the windows logo, but then I get the troubleshoot program to fix the booting process [00:36] tried also the boot-repair program in linux [00:36] but nothing fixed it [00:36] pep_: does ubuntu start up fine? [00:36] more or less [00:36] tomreyn: it says in the comments this wont work on 16.04 , which is my distro [00:36] I deleted it from gparted in the live cd [00:37] and then reinstalled [00:37] If I manually choose the sda1 drive in the bios screen, it gets into te grub menu just fine [00:38] but if my computer starts as is, it gets into a grub error message [00:38] this didn't happen before i deleted the system, it worked everything fine except windows [00:39] I must say my computer is a desktop computer from 2010, so I don't think there's any problem with UEFI because I think it uses the traditional BIOS [00:40] pep_: sda1 is the first partition on the first drive,. sda is the first drive. [00:41] pep_: i understand that ubuntu booted fine, and that you have no ubuntu system installed now, and are seeking windows support. this is channel is for ubuntu support only, though. [00:41] yes, currently I have 4 partitions, 1 and 3 are minor ones, WIndows is in sda2 which is nearly 200gb, sda4 is over 30, with my Linux installation [00:42] Yeah, I know... [00:42] Ubuntu works fine... [00:42] so where can I ask for people who whappen to have similar experiences to me ? [00:44] i think there is ##windows [00:44] !alis [00:44] Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http" [00:53] michael2: you can use "eval $(ssh-agent -s)" to create a new auth socket and then use "ssh-add -L" to list keys, "ssh-add path/to/key" to add one [01:04] Good evening people - I am in a bit of a dilemma and wondering if anyone would have some guidance or insight. I am trying to install Ubuntu LTS or Current off a USB stick on a mac mini that does not have access to a keyboard until after boot - wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how I can initialize the install [01:36] People are starting to lose Unity since a few hours... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1749839 [01:36] Launchpad bug 1749839 in compiz (Ubuntu) "16.04: Installation of the 2/15/18 update to compiz forced removal of unity and ubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:37] I wonder if this is wide spread or only a subset of users are affected. [01:38] sign up for the bug moni and track it [01:38] Already done. [01:39] moni: not everyone uses unity, so it's definitely a subset of users :) [01:39] Anybody from Canonical is aware of this? [01:39] ecormier. :) [01:39] But it is a big issue... [01:40] moni, keeping track on the bugtracker is where to discuss this, not here [01:40] if there is a bug report, then they know about it [01:41] Ok. So I need help. Unity is gone. I have no desktop... I will search the web to get XFCE installed. I think that Gnome cannot be installed at the same time as Unity, and I want to keep my system proper for Unity when the bug is going to be fixed. [01:42] moni, sure it can, install gnome-shell for it [01:42] moni, the package xubuntu-desktop will give you xfce [01:43] I read that Gnome and Unity configurations clashs on Ubuntu 16.04, a few months ago. I will not risk it. [01:43] moni, thats simply not correct [01:45] moni: only thing that you must not do, is add third party repositories for getting latest gnome. Only that breaks unity [01:46] moni, are you adding unsupported PPA? [01:46] Ok, I understand. But XFCE is being now installed... I only need a stop-gap solution until Unity comes back. [01:46] bazhang, I did, for kmymoney. [01:46] Then the problem occured. [01:46] moni, gnome-shell is fine [01:47] But since the bug report is 2 hours old and we are 6 already with the problem... [01:47] I suspect that it was a coincidence. [01:47] coincidence? [01:47] Now we are 7. [01:47] This bug seams major. [01:48] from what's said in that bug report, it's going to hit all unity users [01:48] moni, lets get back to topical support [01:48] no worries, that'll be fixed fast [01:48] Which channel can I go to talk about major bugs... [01:49] moni, this is not the moment by moment bug tracker chat channel [01:49] moni, get on the mailing list, participate there [01:49] How does one logoff from a session without window manager? [01:50] moni, did it remove lightdm as well? [01:50] moni, can you not get to a tty? [01:51] lightdm is there. I logged in, but have no Window manager. I have my default terminal. [01:51] I could reboot.... [01:51] reboot is easy, and... [01:51] But I wonder if there is a cli for loging off. [01:52] don't forget to switch the desktop session before you enter your login password [01:52] moni: a few [01:52] ... I rebooted... [01:52] that works [01:52] On my laptop. [01:53] While rebooting, xubuntu logo showed up. :) [01:54] cli for logging off, you mean "exit" ? [01:55] or restarting X [01:55] No. exit will only kill the terminal. [01:55] I mean like returning to lightdm. [01:55] Yeah, I have a desktop back. Thanks guys. [01:56] moni, fyi: sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service [02:00] Merci ecormier. J'en prends note. === FrankF1 is now known as FrankF [02:13] \join #python [02:14] hi [02:17] apt-get update core dumps. http://codepad.org/OyTCrNwj [02:18] Ok. Time to go to bed. Again, thank you all for your help. Best regards. [02:18] running 16.04 xenial [02:19] So fro what I am reading there is basically no way to get flgrx on anything 16.04 and later? [02:19] No more binary AMD drivers... like at all? [02:19] stevejobsinhell, seams some binary corruption maybe? Filesystem trouble? [02:20] You may attempt to reinstall apt with dpkg... [02:20] moni: this is a new laptop. [02:20] ... :( [02:20] so where do I get apt? [02:20] And thus, a new drive... [02:20] Search the web, for the package. I have no clue where to get it, since like you, I always use apt... [02:21] doubt it's an apt problem [02:21] I guess a download problem or a mirror problem [02:22] It could be a faulty memory on the laptop... [02:22] On reboot, steve... you can run memtest... [02:22] moni: start with the easy stuff and work up to memtest :) [02:23] Just stuck with the radeon package for older AMD cards then? surely there is some solution? [02:23] Bensolo, I cannot help you. I am an Nvidia/Intel guy. [02:24] steve, if the problem is always with apt... try to update it. [02:24] If you have random problems, other programs crashing.... faulty hardware probably. [02:25] how do I update it if I can't run apt-get update? [02:25] You find the package on the web (must be somewhere), download it and run dpkg -i , if I recall corectlly. [02:25] stevejobsinhell: in 'software and updates' try changing to a different mirror and retry the original command [02:26] steve jobs in hell??? seems a tad rough... [02:26] who do i find a list of mirrors? [02:26] I gotta go. Bye guys and thanks. A+ [02:27] stevejobsinhell, apt is integral to ubuntu. Either you have a bad install or you manually deleted it. if the former, get a clean .iso and reinstall. if the later, download the .deb and dkpg -i to install it [02:27] stevejobsinhell: open the 'software and updates' program and change 'download from:' [02:27] ok thanks [02:30] this system is unusable with this video config.. I need AMD Binary drivers :( === elkclone is now known as Guest74871 [02:34] ecormier: it fails and says to check my internet connection. http://codepad.org/VhW1MbUz === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [02:57] I have a very strange problem: the following only occurs while playing audio over earphones; when I play a video with vlc or mplayer I get audio from the left channel only, when I play a video through the flash player ( eg youtube video on firefox ) I get normal stereo audio. [03:02] hi [03:02] psql doesn't work even though the required packages are installed http://codepad.org/8KlOdhMe [03:08] !root | stevejobsinhell [03:08] stevejobsinhell: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [03:08] you installed while root. why? [03:09] Apparently sagemath-common has a Bionic package, but no Artful one [03:11] cfhowlett: are you saying I should use sudo rather than login as root? [03:11] absolutely! [03:11] ok [03:12] pfft. if you're the kind of wimp who doesn't grab live electrical wires, or make toast in the bath, sure [03:12] but who wants to be that needlessly careful? [03:14] Hi folks, does it matter what VNC service (or xrdp or teamviewer) that i use for remote desktop into LXDE? [03:14] should make no difference whatsover, AirstrikeIvanov [03:22] these days a lot of software actually tends not to work if run in a root login session [03:22] * RtMF thinks back to when she had to run X as root on her first ever slackware install [03:23] some deliberately, others incidentally [03:23] Kali I think actually had to do a bit of work to get a Debian distro to work in full graphical mode on a root login [03:25] * RtMF should try to root this android [03:28] And I still can't get VLC to work on it, and apparently it would require altering the source and recompiling. Personally, I don't think a software program should deliberately obstruct unusual use cases without offering a command-line override [04:08] ola bom dia [04:14] where do I get apt-cache search postgres-plpython? It's not under apt-search [04:14] what's the command to see the dvd [04:16] !info postgres-plpython xenial | stevejobsinhell [04:16] stevejobsinhell: Package postgres-plpython does not exist in xenial [04:17] so how do I run PL\Python in postgres? [04:18] dmesg, df, [04:18] santa/10 [04:19] azsdv [04:19] orangutu [04:19] fdsgxvxcv [04:19] gfgh [04:19] Hey... [04:19] aanef [04:19] bhzbnv [04:19] bhgtvfv fbnh [04:19] jjhnjdghvghhgbgg g [04:19] wwlikuhbh [04:19] orangepi: Please stop this. [04:19] dsza15zx5gs56hhjj v [04:20] bchcgsv b [04:20] hhhfdghbvdrh87y4 [04:20] @42$E#$%$T%FFHY [04:20] &^%#E$SDCHK??|?> [04:20] !ops | orangepi, cat alert.. [04:20] orangepi, cat alert..: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, bazhang, chu, dax [04:20] Bashing-om: what's this? https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/database/postgresql-plpython-9.5 [04:21] stevejobsinhell: the -9.5 is part of the package name, so assuming you have xenial it'd be sudo apt-get install ostgresql-plpython-9.5 [04:21] postgresql* [04:23] dax: thanks. i'm suprised that didn't show up in apt-cache search's search result === to is now known as Guest92116 [04:30] is it safe to remove all these extra ubuntu sources? :\ [04:30] they weren't part of the auto-remove bit so didn't know if there is some reason they're there === zer0 is now known as Guest39174 [05:46] is anyone else having issues connecting a kindle via usb? [05:47] dmesg is saying there's a 110 error when connecting [05:47] which doesn't make any sense, isn't a 110 error usually insufficient power? [05:56] Hi I can't seem to be able to ping any websites or connect to anything outside of my network. Can someone help me figure out what's going on? [05:56] thx [06:07] amazoniantoad, it a lot of websites don't respond to ping... can you "ping google.com" [06:19] no [06:19] neildugan no === Trystam is now known as Tristam [06:50] Would anyone care to speculate how long attemp data recovery scan via gparted would take 3TB seagate external hooked up via sata 3 cable running ubuntu 17.10 cant give any more specs atm (i dont think anyway) am currently scanning it with Gparted [06:51] a long long time [06:51] been two days at this point wondering if i should just call it quits [06:51] no give it some more time dude [06:51] okay thanks [06:51] yeah... [06:51] they take forever [06:51] but good luck [06:52] when finished will it show partions or files or both [06:53] should be both, if it could get both [06:53] nojm: what's the problem you were having? [06:54] deleted partition table think i deleted the required bup [06:54] bup? [06:55] will go back to tes disk if need be (backup test disk) [06:55] bup = backup from test disk sorry [06:57] nojm: you mean you have another disk that's an exact copy of this one? [06:57] i will never ever make the mistake of testing my backups before proceeding in future esp with such a large drive lmao gota laugh though [06:57] i wish [06:58] what do you mean by testing? the program called testdisk ? [06:58] i only have backups of the partition table but most likely not the ones i need [06:58] if you have a backup of the partition table then it's easy to restore [06:59] i made an external into an internal the table didnt show up so i ran testisk and wrote to disk what i found on the scan for recovering deleted partitons [07:00] pretty sure my backup was made after i disconnected the pcb and put the drive in my atx box [07:00] thinks i made a big boo boo [07:01] got 5 tesk disk backups i can write to disk and see if any are what i need but you know murphys law [07:01] nojm: what do you mean by you made an external into an internal? [07:03] had external hard drive in a case took it out of case unpluged a circuit board and connected it to my pc motherboard direct via sata and power inside the atx box because my usb 3.0 was faulty breaking and i was having issues (makes sense ?) [07:05] sup you drunk n asleep :) jokes hope you got it sorted [07:06] ayeaye :) [07:06] nojm: yeah, i remember you now [07:06] nojm: so what's the deal with the backup partition table stuff? [07:07] nojm: nevermind, reading back it makes sense now [07:07] still waiting on my scan to complete two days in posted on the board you mentioned just waiting it out till i move forward from a different angle [07:08] nojm: did the 3tb have numerous partitions or just 1 big partition? [07:08] i love this room great place to learn and get help [07:10] How can I disable caching when mapping a disk with cryptsetup? [07:11] Can't find anything remotely related when searching online [07:11] I believe it uses dm-cache, but I'm not sure. Anything related to "dm-cache" returns articles about LVM [07:12] This happens with both "plain" mode and LUKS mode [07:12] asd [07:15] Hi. I was wondering if generally USB wifi adapters will work on Ubuntu or do I need a special one [07:16] most work, but maybe smart to look upp info before you buy online if it suports linux [07:17] will do thank you [07:17] otherway around.. if linux suports that model [07:24] nojm: still there buddy? [07:25] yeah sorry just feeding bubs [07:25] did i miss something upscreen [07:26] nojm: did the 3tb have numerous partitions or just 1 big partition? [07:27] Running ubuntu server artful, just installed a new drive and formatted it using parted (4TB drive), but when I use blkid to get it's UUID to add to fstab, I'm getting PARTUUID instead ... how would I use that or fix the partition? [07:27] it had 3 partitions before but i ran test disk and wrote to disk from one of my approx 5 bups of partition table [07:28] so now it has two partiions [07:28] nojm: can you show a pastebin of it? [07:28] run "sudo parted -ls" [07:29] is that okay to run while gparted is scanning (attemp data recovery) [07:29] yeah no problem [07:29] will do now just a moment pls [07:29] ok [07:31] https://imgur.com/a/FL9gG [07:31] oops will scroll down n repost [07:32] nojm: it's fine, we just need the /dev/sdc one [07:33] nojm: try "sudo mount -o offset=$((2048 * 512)) /dev/sdc /cdrom" [07:34] Anyone has any network skills? [07:34] Im not getting connected after reboot on 16.04.3 [07:34] https://imgur.com/SXg7zd5 [07:35] i need to invoke dhclient enp4s0 [07:35] My interfaces looks good for me. iface enp4s0 inet dhcp and so on [07:35] auto enp4s0 [07:35] after reboot I need to invoke dhclient. [07:36] Its a clean install on ubuntu [07:36] no network-manager or so [07:36] just plain ubuntu server [07:36] libben: i'm not that good with networking, but you could try 'sudo ifup enp4s0' [07:36] nojm: it seems like there was a filesystem there, but it's damaged somehow [07:37] sera_denoir: the problem i has is that it's not autoconnect after reboot [07:37] I need to do dhclient eth [07:37] ah, no clue ... i'm fighting fstab issues myself [07:38] likely caused from my faulty usb 3.0 connector which caused multiple power on off what you think [07:39] nojm: did you try running a smart test on the hdd? [07:39] thats why i took it out of the external case would sometimes connect [07:39] no i dont know how to [07:39] sudo apt-get install smartmontools [07:39] sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdc | nc termbin.com 9999 [07:39] it'll give you a link, paste it here [07:41] Running ubuntu server artful, just installed a new drive and formatted it using parted (4TB drive), but when I use blkid to get it's UUID to add to fstab, I'm getting PARTUUID instead ... how would I use that or fix the partition? [07:41] re install no config ? [07:42] nojm: not sure what you mean, is it saying it's already installed? [07:42] http://termbin.com/85fc [07:42] all gud [07:42] i hope [07:42] sera_denoir: is there a filesystem there? try 'sudo parted -ls' and paste the output in paste.ubuntu.com [07:43] nojm: looks good [07:44] wow thats intense data i dont know how you make head nor tail of all that information [07:44] nojm: can you try connecting the hdd as it used to be connected and try the mount -o offset command again? [07:44] can you run nightly build of 18.04 now and simply make and apt-get update and upgrade when it's release in 2 months? [07:44] libben: yes [07:45] nojm: if you want try it later after gparted is done and all [07:45] no need to do it rn [07:46] good call that was what i was about to ask anyway to get ahold of you at that point it may be days [07:47] Hey guys, I kind of need to insert my laptop in between plain text communication of 2 windows computers via telnet [07:47] and the laptop is on ubuntu. [07:47] also do you mean the command in full that you got me to run way upscreen [07:47] can anyone point me to reading materials to learn that? [07:47] will copy and paste to clarify in a second [07:50] sudo mount -o offset=$((2048 * 512)) /dev/sdc /cdrom [07:50] yeah? [07:53] brb baby calling me [07:59] eraserpencil: look up a couple of wireshark tutorials online [08:00] ducasse: thanks, but I kind of wanna redirect or send additional commands without messing up the current setup [08:01] eraserpencil: you want to inject traffic? [08:02] yea [08:02] eraserpencil: try asking in ##networking [08:04] alright thanks! === Numline1 is now known as Guest11439 === r0Oter is now known as r00ter [08:32] hi, I upgraded from 16.10 to17.10 and now there is no audio [08:33] Guest78744, use pulseaudio [08:34] Guest78744, killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio --help [08:35] hi, I upgraded from 16.10 to17.10 and now there is no audio [08:36] so what is this about https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/linux/ubuntu-gets-in-the-user-data-collection-business/ ? [08:39] Guest78744, you should open a gnome-terminal and open the manual of the daemon that controll the sound, with man pulseaudio [08:41] Question: I am editing a service configure. I want the service to start AFTER the /home partition is mounted. My home partition is encrypted, so it is usally ONLY moutned after system boots and I login using SSH and use the command "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 data". How do I make the service start only after the home partition is mounted? [08:45] Zythyr, setup key files for your luks encryption and make it decrypt on boot [08:45] otherwise just make sure to start whatever service you need manual after you manualy opened it [08:48] Oh I finally found how to middle-click with this touhpad [08:48] it's a tap on the top-right [08:48] kinda weird [08:50] Mathisen I used "After=home.mount". this doens't work. In my fstab I have set nofail for home partition. I do NOT want to use a key file to unlock encryption. The Only way I want the encryption to be open is by my loging in using SSH and using the command "sudo crypsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 data" and then me putting password. When I do this, the home partition is automatically mounted, by the [08:50] service I want doesn't start [08:51] Zythyr, make an easy .sh script then to unlock and then start service [08:52] also I have put GRUB_TIMEOUT=1 in /etc/default/grub but still takes more than 1 sec [08:52] hi [08:52] I want dual boot to start fast with defualt choice [08:53] Zythyr, look into mountpoint command by the looks if it, it can return true/false to see if a specific folder is mounted [08:54] Mathisen thanks, let me look at that [08:56] my middle mouse button suddenly stoped working. How can I fix that? [08:57] How can set to run program with command line parameter? [08:59] put rice on it [08:59] it fixes everything [09:08] hi, I upgraded from 16.10 to17.10 and now there is no audio [09:09] Guest78744, double check with alsamixer command that no things are muted [09:20] Hey how do I see as what DEVICE my USB drive got assigned to? /dev/ttyUSB does not seem to be one [09:21] cart_man: run "dmesg" after you insert the device [09:21] hateball: I have but I see it gets mounted [09:22] but it does not say as what? [09:27] hateball " https://pastebin.com/7TAnQrAD [09:28] is Ubuntu 17.10 a rather secure OS relative to other Linux distros if not what is better not interested in the likes of tails and i get the whole encryption antivirus and other methods of hacking re scripts while using a browser [09:29] out of the box [09:32] K [09:34] nojm, hard question to answer, but in general the less stuff you have the less risk of problems, [09:37] do i need to learn to use iptables as a casual home client user ? [09:37] or is that strictly a server thing [09:37] or other firewall [09:38] i use sophos at present (windows background for the most part) [09:38] nojm, no you can use ufw [09:39] it uses iptables behind the scenes but it is easy to use [09:39] awesome is there a learning curve / idiot proof [09:40] example: ufw allow ssh [09:40] and it will make it so ssh can connect [09:40] online gaming say fightcade [09:40] cool [09:41] hateball : Any ideas? [09:42] 'sudo apt-get install uwf' ? after running update? [09:42] or should i use the software center and find add repository prior [09:43] nojm, sudo apt update && sudo apt install ufw [09:43] software center works also just look for ufw [09:43] cool mate thanks [09:45] nojm, things you want to do right away is >> ufw allow http and https [09:47] cant find it in software center this happens to me often re software i want. anything look wrong to you here [09:47]