/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/02/17/#ubports.txt

ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> it seems like we lose 2 and gain 2 every few hours.  but.. you're right. it's weird.  I've seen way more than 2 join and it hangs on 1298 for me.  maybe... it's a Telegram Bug!00:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/z1KPuoUG.mp400:06
ubptgbot<Dave S> M no more01:46
ubptgbotLogan Johnson was added by: Logan Johnson02:56
ubptgbot<Logan Johnson> (Photo, 756x542) https://irc.ubports.com/v0863qST.png02:58
ubptgbot<Logan Johnson> Trying to get Ubuntu on my Nexus 5 from windows 10, but cant seem to get past the "reboot to bootloader" screen.02:58
ubptgbot<Logan Johnson> Anyone seen this problem before?02:58
ubptgbot<Yance> @Logan Johnson, Do your nexus 5 has developer mode on?03:46
ubptgbot<Logan J> Lemme to tap it 7 times and try again.03:48
ubptgbot<Yance> Sorry, i mean usb debugging03:49
ubptgbot<SwizzlaKalongie> Anyone out there using their N5 with miracast display connection?03:51
ubptgbot<Yance> And howor just manually enter to bootloader/fastboot mode03:51
ubptgbot<Yance> Or just manually enter fastboot mode03:52
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> `adb reboot bootloader`03:53
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> from your terminal03:53
ubptgbot<Logan J> Got the phone sitting in fastboot mode, connected to the computer via USB.  It is showing up on device manager as "Android bootloader interface".  It's like the installer isn't connecting with it?03:54
ubptgbot<dohbee> @SwizzlaKalongie, Slimport performance is better, so unless there's a specific case where one would need Miracast, I think everyone is using slimport for convergence03:54
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> `fastboot devices`03:54
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> you may have to use `sudo fastboot devices`03:54
ubptgbot<Yance> @Logan J, What the result if you type fastboot devices on your cmd?03:55
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> if you don't see your device listed when running that command then you may need to switch USB ports03:55
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> or try a different cable (I know it sounds weird)03:55
ubptgbot<SwizzlaKalongie> @dohbee, Better. K. Noted. But is the wireless option useable? Or too slow to be worth it ?03:56
ubptgbot<Yance> @kz6fittycent, I think he use windows 1003:57
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> `wsl` :P03:57
ubptgbot<Logan J> Hmm.  opened up a command prompt and typed "fastboot devices" and comes up as unrecognized command.  I'm green as you can tell.03:58
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> I've never used Win10 but aren't the `adb` commands the same??03:58
ubptgbot<Logan J> i have ubuntu installed.  ill pop over to that.  i was hitting the same wall there.  even greener with ubuntu though.03:59
ubptgbot<dohbee> @SwizzlaKalongie, I don't know. It's better with USB kb/mouse though03:59
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> Logan the only reason I was getting you to type that command with `fastboot` was to confirm that it was seeing your device...but I can totally understand your frustration. Phones suck.04:00
ubptgbot<Yance> @Logan J, So, i guess your windows 10 didn't have android-tools installed04:00
ubptgbot<Logan J> yes.  where can i find android-tools do you think?04:01
ubptgbot<SwizzlaKalongie> @dohbee, Ok, thanks for the replies. I'll stick to the wires then.04:01
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> @Logan J, for Ubuntu?04:01
ubptgbot<Logan J> hoping for windows04:01
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> oh, I don't even own any windows machines, lol04:01
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> I'm useless, I'm afraid04:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> @SwizzlaKalongie, It might be faster if Klingon attack theme is playing in background. ;)04:02
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> @dohbee, Everything is faster with that music04:02
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> and better04:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> @kz6fittycent, Install Ubuntu on win, and fastboot in Ubuntu?04:02
ubptgbot<SwizzlaKalongie> Lol04:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> Or I don't know, the Android sdk maybe04:03
ubptgbot<Yance> https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools.html04:07
ubptgbot<Logan J> thx.  swapped to ubuntu and trying to add android tools.  now im useless and afraid!04:08
ubptgbot<Yance> But maybe you can just using ubuntu04:09
ubptgbot<Logan J> tried that first with the same result i started with.04:09
ubptgbot<Logan J> looks like adding android tools may have done it.  you guys are saints04:10
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> good to hear! FLASH AWAY!04:10
ubptgbot<Logan J> Awesome.  Looks like its working.  Thanks for the help and patience Yance, James and Rodney. πŸ‘04:14
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> NOYCE!04:14
ubptgbot<Yance> Congrats and welcome to the party :p04:15
ubptgbotPravin Chaudhari was added by: Pravin Chaudhari06:30
ubptgbot<milkor73> @Pravin Chaudhari, Hello Pravin and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)08:38
ubptgbotJoas was added by: Joas08:55
ubptgbot<Mokmeister> Hello all, has anyone tried using the talk function in the nextcloud web app on a BQ Aquaris 4.5 Ubuntu 15.04(r3)? When I try I just get "access to camera and microphone was denied" When I check security and privacy setting on the phone I don't see anything that would allow me to allow the web app to have access to the camera and09:38
ubptgbot mic, nor is any request made by the web app itself.09:38
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> Trying to build the gsettings-qt, anyone here knows about it? Its used in the ut tweak tool. Says I need gio-2.0 development package - is that the GLib? Never heard of it just wanna make sure I get the right thing09:47
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @dohbee, No real reason apart from i was already using leveldb for object caching and it wasn't alot extra to create a drop in replacement for qsettings with some nice additions like change notifications across multiple instances, which you don't get with qsettings.10:09
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @Jimmie Johnsson, can't you just `apt build-dep gsettings-qt`? that should bring in everything you need10:11
ubptgbotParadise was added by: Paradise10:36
ubptgbot<mateosalta> Known bug, needs to be implemented - https://github.com/mateosalta/nextcloud_ogra/issues/310:46
ubptgbot<Mokmeister> @mateosalta, Thanks for the feedback Mateo10:47
ubptgbot<mateosalta> It might work in browser I think, with the app we were trying to fix the upload/download problems which meant a lot of custom qml and other code with the container, so it isn't using the official web app container10:50
ubptgbot<mateosalta> So other features that were working on the one aren't implemented yet10:51
ubptgbot<Gabriele> Two questions for nexus 5: do you notice video reproduction to be all in green not correct? Second: estimating when anbox will be possible to be tested on nexus 5? Thank you :)10:52
ubptgbot<advocatux> @Gabriele, First question is a known bug. A workaround is to use UTmedia for videos in N5 … Second question. "When is done"10:53
ubptgbot<milkor73> @Paradise, Hello Paradise and Joas and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    β€¦ To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)10:58
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> @DanChapman, Ill try when get back home. I might just solve it without GSettings too though, feels like i dont really need it to solve the thing Im doing. Thanks though :)11:37
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @UniversalSuperBox, Ubuntu Touch is not a trademark, never was. It was a development name like Hammerhead but the device is  Nexus5. Ubuntu Touch was a dev name for the next Ubuntu.11:44
ubptgbot<AresMinos> Just call it Ubuntu Touch and apply to be an Ubuntu Flavour and that's it, you have it all.11:45
ubptgbot<AresMinos> [Edit] Just call it Ubuntu Touch and apply to be an Ubuntu Flavour to identify that you are a part of the same family and that's it, you have it all.11:45
ubptgbot<AresMinos> [Edit] Just call it Ubuntu Touch and apply to be an Ubuntu Flavour to identify that you are a part of the same family and that's it, you have it all.  β€¦ It's like Ubuntu Mate.11:46
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @Jimmie Johnsson, may i ask why you want to build it when it's already included in the image?12:02
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> @DanChapman, Im trying to extend the terminal app to do the same trick that ut tweaks does. That uses GSettings. But the actual thing I wanna do is just a small part so it might be better to just go without it rather than add dependency to this GSettings for building the terminal app as well. In the tweak app, Gsetting12:14
ubptgbot might be good but i think its a bit overkill to achieve what im trying to do12:14
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @Jimmie Johnsson, Well it's just a qml import, you don't need to add a dependency as such to the terminal app. Just `import GSettings 1.0` and know it will be on the system when the app is installed, the same as Ubuntu.Components et al12:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AresMinos, Ubuntu is the trademark issue.12:38
ubptgbot<Jyoti> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gd6O6fPI.png12:45
ubptgbot<Jyoti> Hi! Trying to update, got failure (i am using ubports 16.04)12:46
ubptgbot<advocatux> @AresMinos, It doesn't matter the "surname" (Touch) because the "name" (Ubuntu) is trademarked13:04
ubptgbot<advocatux> You can't just call it Ubuntu Touch and use it without Canonical's permission in writing … https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy13:04
ubptgbot<advocatux> Ubuntu Mate is an officially recognised flavor … https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours13:04
ubptgbot<advocatux> but oddly is not listed as that in the derivatives page … https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives13:04
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> @DanChapman, Yeah i dont think that will work. If it was just qml code that could work but I would be using it from c++ plugin. Anyhows, i think I will solve it another way. Seems overkill to be using that thing for what Im doing13:09
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Jimmie Johnsson, What are you trying to do exactly?13:09
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee, Add a setting inside the terminal app so user can decide if the terminal can be suspended or not. Like in ut tweaks. Think you just add it/remove it to a list through mir, had a look at how that one does it. But I think the GSetting layer on top isnt really needed for this one setting. The terminal app handles13:23
ubptgbot its setting another way13:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Jimmie Johnsson, i don't think that's the right way to do it. it's hacky and might work, but i don't think it's what should ship. if we want individual apps to be able to set this, then i think the right way, within the current constraints and APIs in ubuntu-touch, would be to add a trust store thing for it, and a system promp13:26
ubptgbott can provide the allow/deny dialog for it13:26
ubptgbot<dohbee> and that would move the ut tweak setting to being a trust prompt thing in the system13:26
ubptgbot<dohbee> the best/more correct way, would be to actually get background processing support implemented, similar to how it works in iOS13:27
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> Perhaps. I think that terminal is an exception though cause of what the user does in the app. Its the only app that is shipped where this setting make sense now13:29
ubptgbot<NotKit> wouldn't background processing require separate task from main app in case it's iOS-like?13:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> @NotKit, No14:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Jimmie Johnsson, i don't think so. i would rather say we should not be shipping terminal by default in the images. and i don't think we should remove it from the lifecycle policy either when it is installed.14:28
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> Any chance to see implemented the Galileo System in UT?14:31
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> http://www.usegalileo.eu/EN/14:31
ubptgbot<garrogarri> It would be awesome!14:32
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee if it should be shipped by default is another discussion. But I think it makes sense to be able to decide if it should be on/off the lifecycle policy. To me, it is a power-users app and as such it makes sense to let the power-users do what they intend to do with out having to jump through extra hoops like installing14:32
ubptgbota tweak tool.14:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Jimmie Johnsson, i don't know what you're doing, but in the 5 years of ubuntu touch existing, i can say i've never used the tweak tool, or felt the need to alter the lifecycle policy for terminal app.14:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> and if i don't qualify as a "power user" i'm not sure what does :)14:34
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> @dohbee, If you wanna run a process through the terminal (convinent) and you dont want it to terminate when you close the screen for example. A batch job or a script or whatever that should keep running.14:36
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Jimmie Johnsson, i have used top in the terminal to monitor cpu usage, and switched apps and everything, and it was always still there running when i switched back to terminal app14:37
ubptgbot<Jimmie Johnsson> Try running top in batch mode and feed it to a file. Then close the screen. Process is stopped when the screen goes off14:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> top in batch mode?14:40
ubptgbot<Ruben> My OPO one (dev channel) is not receiving os-updates for weeks. Is this normal?14:48
ubptgbot<Flohack> I can understand the wish, its another case of how to make Ubuntu Touch behave more like a desktop os. But I am also interested to understand the possible usecase for that14:50
ubptgbot<Flohack> @Ruben, Yes, there are no updates ;)14:50
ubptgbot<Ruben> ok, thnx!14:50
ubptgbot<Flohack> All is focusing on 16.04 now14:52
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, I think too many people are just too used to the traditional way of PC OSes working, where you can just do whatever you want at all times, and it pretty much just works14:52
ubptgbot<Flohack> Yes, and if it does not work you spend hours to understand why xD14:52
ubptgbot<dohbee> i have gotten plenty of additional experience points in that field, this week14:53
ubptgbot<Flohack> Lol14:54
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @dohbee, Afaik you can create Ubuntu Touch trademark without any issues, it is a different name "Ubuntu Touch" ubuntu is a normal word, you cannot trademark it afaik, you can apply for a combined trademark where you trademark the the work with the logo. There are many things called Ubuntu from South Africa just look at ubunt14:54
ubptgbotuplanet.org. … I haven't checked but I assume there is a combined patent for for "Ubuntu" amd you can make one for "UbuntuTouch". It's a very different name.  β€¦ Afaik you can patent a unique combination of letters without it being combined with a logo if it's a new word that you created like "Microsoft" or "Rodsoft" (as a Rodney Software) etc. … I14:54
ubptgbotsay this with fully knowing that I might be wrong. I think it's something like I said tho, but further research on the topic is required.14:54
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AresMinos, A) Please split up long posts like this into multiple posts14:55
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I'm telling you exactly what distrowatch told us, guys14:55
ubptgbot<dohbee> B) No, that's not how trademarks work14:55
ubptgbot<AresMinos> I also said a good way would be to apply for a flavour.14:55
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @dohbee, Well do14:55
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> When we have in writing that Canonical is letting us use the name, we can be the right name14:55
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @dohbee, [Edit] We … Will do14:55
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @dohbee, [Edit] Will do14:55
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> That is it.14:56
ubptgbot<dohbee> You don't magically have rights to use obvious derivatives like that14:56
ubptgbot<Flohack> @AresMinos, If Ubuntu Touch would be a new sporting equipment, then maybe. But its an OS even using their components up to 90% or more. So we must comply with what they want.14:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, I don't think anyone is contesting that. Distrowach want legal coverage for putting it on their site. Kristjan is, I think, asking "why?" and suggesting it is not necessary, and I was simply telling him why it is necessary :)14:59
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, And the other 10% is still full of "Copyright (C) Canonical Ltd" all over the place ;)15:00
ubptgbot<Flohack> Lol yes indeed15:00
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @UniversalSuperBox, Right … The word "Ubuntu" and the suffix "buntu" is trademarked globally and in all the major countries by Canonical. … We need to get something written from Canonical.15:00
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @AresMinos, Right, the TB can authorize this.15:03
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> (I've been through this before)15:03
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @Flohack, I agree with you, but afaik that would apply if you want to trademark the exact name "Ubuntu" … https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#basic/1+1+1+1/Ubuntu15:03
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @Flohack, No, you can't use the name Ubuntu without consulting Canonical. That's trademark infringement...15:04
ubptgbot<AresMinos> Oke, I'll stop now, don't want to digress the chat anymore :)15:04
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AresMinos, Really, this channel is not the best place to discuss trademark law, but in short, you are quite wrong :)15:04
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @UniversalSuperBox, Meaning UBports has put in a request for that with Canonical or nothing is being done atm?15:09
ubptgbot<dohbee> Meaning "It's being handled, don't worry about it"15:11
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @AresMinos, The easiest way is to apply to become an official flavor, then that automatically authorizes you because the TB proxy authorizes it.15:11
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> (I've checked with the TB and gotten this confirmed)15:11
ubptgbot<dohbee> To be an official flavor don't you have to have things happening on Launchpad, and ISOs building and stuff?15:12
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @tsimonq2, Thanks, do you have a timeline for that already? (To become a flavour)15:13
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @AresMinos, UBPorts needs to read the guidelines, I can help them gather exactly what the TB is looking for, and then you just have one or more representatives from the project show up at a TB meeting.15:14
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> Ideally, some technical people and some community people should attend the TB meeting, although if there's overlap that15:14
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> [Edit] Ideally, some technical people and some community people should attend the TB meeting, although if there's overlap that's certainly fine15:14
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @dohbee, Sure, I wasn't trying to play smartass and disrupt the chat.  I was just trying to help with my very limited knowledge on the topic. I hope you know that. :)15:14
ubptgbot<AresMinos> @tsimonq2, Alright, thanks for answering that to me :)15:15
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @AresMinos, np :)15:16
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> If anyone that officially represents UBPorts wants to get in touch with me about that, by all means15:16
ubptgbot<dohbee> I don't think ubports can reasonably meet the requirements to be an official flavor at this point15:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> or TB will need to change the requirements to be more fitting for things that aren't installable on PCs15:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors15:24
ubptgbot<bastos777> 1300!15:33
ubptgbotGermoVeltmaat was added by: GermoVeltmaat15:53
ubptgbot<milkor73> @GermoVeltmaat, Hello germo. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-botβ„’ Ask, chat, explore!15:57
ubptgbot<milkor73> @GermoVeltmaat, [Edit] Hello Germo. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-botβ„’ Ask, chat, explore!15:57
ubptgbot<GermoVeltmaat> Hi, all15:58
ubptgbot<technicalbird> 1.3k yeah!!!16:07
ubptgbotU P Singh was added by: U P Singh16:33
ubptgbot<U P Singh> Hello everyone16:33
ubptgbot<U P Singh> Any support for moto e4 plus??16:55
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Please see the group description for supported devices16:55
ubptgbot<milkor73> @U P Singh, Yes, as Dalton said check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome16:58
ubptgbot<U P Singh> There are very few mobiles beingsupported.16:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> You are welcome to help remedy that17:05
ubptgbot<Flohack> @dohbee, I agree, a flavour will be hard and we also cannot easily follow the release cycles etc17:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> We couldn't do that even when canonical was doing it all17:45
ubptgbot<Ricardo> the nexus 5 with xenial does not record video18:31
ubptgbot<Flohack> We are going live now!19:04
ubptgbot<Flohack> @dohbee, +1 lol19:05
ubptgbot<Flohack> we need 2 more minutes plz be patient πŸ˜†19:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> ATTENTION! … THIS SUPERGROUP WILL NOW TRANSFORM INTO A LIVE CHAT FEED.  IF YOU ARE NOT WATCHING THE LIVE FEED YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND OUR CHATTING.  ENJOY! … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qCERv8jYOY19:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> AND....HAPPY 1300!!19:05
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> Hey now, you're pulling a @MichaelTun by being late πŸ˜‰19:06
ubptgbot<HelloBug> \o/19:07
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> nice.  nexus 5x19:09
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> high fives for that, Dalton19:10
ubptgbot<dohbee> you don't need hdmi out with aethercast, and the 8GB might help with that19:13
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DisplayCasting19:14
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> Do you walk into everyone's house and plug stuff into their screens?19:14
ubptgbot<dohbee> that wiki page19:15
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> loggit19:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> just update the wiki page dalton :P19:15
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @dohbee, link?19:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> damnilt @UniversalSuperBox19:16
ubptgbot<dohbee> (very hard holding myself back from that joke)19:16
ubptgbot<dohbee> [Edit] (very difficult holding myself back from that joke)19:16
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> you have to communicate with Marius through the log files of OpenStore apps19:19
ubptgbot<nfsprodriver> Are there some instructions to get xenial device chroots to build our apps including qt 5.9?19:20
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> haha19:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> it's like the worst19:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> without you saying it no one can find it19:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> (except the ones with nvidia)19:23
ubptgbot<Flohack> @nfsprodriver, Shall I put this in the question list?19:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> it's pretty, but not really good19:25
ubptgbot<nfsprodriver> Maybe :) Some apps like gallery use click chroot, but we don't have any 16.04 chroot.19:25
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> It's "pretty" and 'good' but it's not 'pretty good'19:25
ubptgbot<Flohack> @nfsprodriver, Ok ;)19:25
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> haha19:26
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> I feel a news desk topic coming. and i'm ANGRY19:26
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> eventually the only gesture that will work is the middle finger19:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox firefox starts fine in my vm. it just doesn't necessarily stay running all the time :)19:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> well i think i installed it in libertine too19:28
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @mariogrip give me ISO19:29
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> :P19:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> @nfsprodriver, the 16.04 rootfs image is a chroot :)19:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> @floha19:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> err19:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack you ship 16.04 root on phones :)19:30
ubptgbot<dohbee> unpack rootfs tarball, sudo chroot, apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-dev19:30
ubptgbot<nfsprodriver> Well, Ubuntu SDK already has a device image, which made me able to build telegram for xenial, but only with the common qt 5.6.219:30
ubptgbot<dohbee> exit, tar -zcvf19:31
ubptgbot<nfsprodriver> [Edit] Well, Ubuntu SDK already has a xenial device image, which made me able to build telegram for xenial, but only with the common qt 5.6.219:31
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @tsimonq2, no19:31
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Question: a few days ago I asked if there could be some way for turbo to run side stage mode when using an external display. What do you make of this @UniversalSuperBox @Flohack @mariogrip ?19:32
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @tsimonq2, https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso19:32
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @mariogrip, lol19:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox they use openvpn right? do they ship the config file for the openvpn android app?19:32
ubptgbot<peternerlich> the instructions that were just talked about, can we read them somewhere?19:32
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Also, does anyone know how to give the terminal in a Libertine container full sudo privileges with uuid rules etc?19:33
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/316L03pu.txt19:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/android-openvpn-connect19:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> i think the settings panel already lets you import the ovpn files19:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> ^^ @UniversalSuperBox @Flohack19:34
ubptgbot<peternerlich> @UniversalSuperBox, thx a lot! can we commit this to our UBAM community tutorial collection?19:34
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @peternerlich, Sure19:35
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, sudo was not installed by default in libertine in my vm, and installing it, the binary was setuid, so i'm not sure why you got that error19:36
ubptgbot<popescu_sorin> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/this-week-in-mir-16th-feb-2018/408919:37
ubptgbot<popescu_sorin> yay mir 0.3019:37
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AresMinos even when canonical was doing all the work, the phone images did not meet the requirements to be an official flavor :)19:37
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> yeah marius!!19:38
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> tell us!!19:38
ubptgbot<Flohack> @TartanSpartan, Hmm what exactly do you mean?19:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> the status of convergence is what it is19:38
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> IIWII19:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> schroedinger's convergence19:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> it both is and is not19:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> @mariogrip i think a large part of the confusion is that most apps, especially the ones people want to use, don't themselves support convergence19:39
ubptgbot<RoyNL> Convergence on m10 realy rocks!19:40
ubptgbot<peternerlich> @UniversalSuperBox, any name who wrote this originally for attribution?19:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato no, i don't think we can give up on libertine, and rely on snaps (and i would suggest not bothering with supporting snaps at all)19:41
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @Flohack the M10 suppports a three-finger drag to move apps in and out of side stage to allow two apps to be displayed and leveraged simultaneously. The Pro 5 doesn't, but I think it should, for external monitor use.19:41
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> @dohbee, flatpak?19:42
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @dohbee interesting, perhaps I should PM you about this.19:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato, i don't think flatpak will serve us here either, but it would probably be better than snaps19:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, unfortunately i've got to leave now19:43
ubptgbot<Crash_Burn> OK... how can you get Firefox and Thunderbird running on that??  πŸ€£πŸ€£19:44
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> haha19:44
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> yea... like if we can do firefox why is it any worse to ask for Tbird?  :)19:44
ubptgbot<Crash_Burn> You are going to break the internet!!  Look out :)19:44
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> so... what is he using again?19:44
ubptgbot<Crash_Burn> 3...2...1...19:45
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> I think we need to support snap and flatpak in the future19:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> @wayneoutthere, it's not worse. just equally awful :)19:45
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> that tunnel is getting deeper19:45
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @mariogrip if I may make one final clarification of a problem last show. I was asking why Libertine doesn't work in the Xenial images. You can't GUI load any of the desktop apps, possibly not via CLI either, and you can't upgrade the dependencies even. Sorry you misunderstood my question,but hopefully this helps if you have ti19:45
ubptgbotme to tackle it this time.19:45
ubptgbot<HelloBug> Inception 😁19:45
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> converging19:45
ubptgbot<advocatux> lol amazing that mariusception19:45
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> haha19:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Crash_Burn, make a libertine container and install them19:45
ubptgbot<Crash_Burn> @dohbee, N5 ?  needs a chroot19:45
ubptgbot<samitormanen> πŸ˜†πŸ‘19:45
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @dohbee doesn't have to be tonight :)19:45
ubptgbot<Crash_Burn> I've been working with Kris19:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato, why not appimage or every other possible app store too? how many ways to install things do we really need to support.19:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> i think we need to support as few as possible19:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> anyway, gotta run19:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> cheers19:47
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Ciao!19:47
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> one plus one 5t?19:47
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip have you got a chance to look at the last rootfs that appears to be broken on CAF devices (tested on HTC 10)?19:48
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> @dohbee, appimage too19:48
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> this is super exciting... it feels 'close again'19:49
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> that's awesome.19:49
ubptgbot<Flohack> @vanyasem, Is this aquestion for live?19:49
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> *Ecks-per-i-ment @UniversalSuperBox not @ecks-PEER-i-ment :P19:50
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Just as mirror is "mir-orr", not "meeer", mir is "meeer" ;)19:51
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> Hey there are some questions on YouTube hehehe19:52
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> how about libertine? can we give up to use it and use snap on desktop mode and after and we can migrate from clickο»Ώ package slowly on the mobile side?.19:52
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> So can we spoof a tablet interface for turbo in external display mode or something?19:52
ubptgbot<Flohack> @TartanSpartan, Really no idea, somebody needs to investigate whats the constraints ;)19:53
ubptgbot<Flohack> plz file a ticket about it19:53
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> I use this on android! two apps at the same time is awesome19:54
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> I will file an enhancement ticket thank you Flo-rider!19:54
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @Flohack, sure19:54
ubptgbot<vanyasem> why not :P19:54
ubptgbot<vanyasem> it's related to 16.0419:54
ubptgbot<Flohack> @TartanSpartan, πŸ‘Œ19:54
ubptgbot<vanyasem> "what's the status with CAF/non-CAF merge in Halium rootfs"19:55
ubptgbot<vanyasem> "the last image appears to be broken on CAF devices"19:55
ubptgbot<vanyasem> something like that19:55
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> it's a motivational ending to make people like me want to get smarter! :)19:56
ubptgbot<peternerlich> @wayneoutthere, There's a way! Learn Git(Hub)!19:57
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> *punch*19:57
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> you can edify UT, though.19:59
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> and i want answers!20:02
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> OMG it's so stupid for a c++ developer!20:02
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> for any language...20:02
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> LOL medical advice to calm you Ubports addiction!20:03
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> *your20:03
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> put a new enum value on bottom hahahhahaha20:03
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> yay! :)20:04
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> rehab!20:04
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> haha20:04
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> haha20:04
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> i will find a way.......20:04
ubptgbot<mariogrip> :)20:04
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> nice show guys!20:05
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Question: if you where a tree what tree would you be?20:05
ubptgbot<ebetonro> The Tree :D20:05
ubptgbot<peternerlich> So where should I go if I want to help with XYZ and don't know who to contact? Or when I want to ask for a simple bit of information about some random thing but don't want to bother the devs?20:05
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> can you share the link of this enum?20:05
ubptgbot<HelloBug> @wayneoutthere, I imagine you begging for wifi hotspot to strangers 😝😝(please sir just for one hour)20:05
ubptgbot<mariogrip> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CxAItXwJ.mp420:06
ubptgbot<Flohack> @peternerlich, Uh saw too late ;)20:06
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, :(20:06
ubptgbot<Flohack> @Ismaelbonato, https://forums.ubports.com20:06
ubptgbot<Flohack> @Ismaelbonato, sorry wrong answer πŸ˜†20:07
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> thanks guys! :)20:07
ubptgbot<Alex_WLBI> perfect, thanks for the show 😊20:07
ubptgbot<LarreaMikel> bye!20:07
ubptgbot<peternerlich> nice!20:07
ubptgbot<Crash_Burn> 🀘20:07
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> @UniversalSuperBox I liked the new format20:07
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> AND WE NOW RESUME OUR REGULAR PROGRAMMING.  DON'T FORGET YOUR COAT AT THE DOOR.20:08
ubptgbot<HelloBug> 🀘20:08
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Cool show you badass developer gurus :)20:08
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip thank20:08
ubptgbot<advocatux> Another fine Q&A πŸ‘20:08
ubptgbot<Flohack> @TartanSpartan, thgaaanks!20:09
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> BLUE TEXT … MUST CLICK … I AM A STUPID ANIMAL THAT IS ATTRACTED TO COLORS20:09
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @TartanSpartan, Thank you :)20:10
ubptgbot<peternerlich> @UniversalSuperBox, Meh, looks pretty green to me20:10
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Guys please, this is everyone's project20:11
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> not at all.  I did it all20:11
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> But you were the showrunners!20:11
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> haha20:12
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Thanks guys! Good show! πŸ˜πŸ‘20:12
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Made me think of something interesting, perhaps occasionally we could have guest stars from about the community to help run a show?20:14
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> From the full spectrum of user:dev experience.20:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> That was @Crash_Burn last week20:18
ubptgbot<Crash_Burn> \o/20:18
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Last fortnight you mean?20:19
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> right20:19
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> And I guess I assumed Will was a developer, sorry if I misunderstood :)20:19
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> (for a second there I was like has Dalton accelerated the show rate to weekly??)20:20
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> (Photo, 740x495) https://irc.ubports.com/ggMmdB5I.png20:21
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> https://twitter.com/LinkArchiver20:21
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @UniversalSuperBox, lol20:21
ubptgbot<Jyoti> Ok, if you, in the future, can not use the name "ubuntu touch" anymore, use instead "ubuntouch", "yunit" or something else :-)20:35
ubptgbot<Mappaschreck> ?20:37
ubptgbot<Jyoti> Hi! I am trying to update the ubports apps on my bp M10 tablet, but all the updatesare failing now (i am using ubports 16.04). Do you know why?20:42
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @UniversalSuperBox does that first line read "snes an iso"? Interesting reference to one of the all-te greatest gaming consoles.20:43
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> She's an ISO. It's a reference to TRON: Legacy20:45
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Which is a plot hole that occasionally breaks out into being a movie20:45
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> *time21:02
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> OIC, of course.21:03
ubptgbotKen Monnin was added by: Ken Monnin21:12
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> Hey everyone!  Has anyone had success building programs from source?  I'm hoping to get a handful of useful applications that I commonly use on my laptop running on phone. Nexus 5 OTA-321:15
ubptgbot<samzn> https://twitter.com/fail0verflow/status/96495431689211904021:16
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Ken Monnin, Hello Ken. I suggest you start with this general briefing. The Welcome & Install room is a good place for an initial chat. Hopefully we can point you in the right direction from there. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome21:26
ubptgbot<TimDev> Hey there. Is it safe to interrupt the UbPorts installer while it's downloading (phone in recovery)? Thanks :)21:39
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Sure, but your phone probably won't do much21:44
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It won't get bricked, you'll just have to run the installer again21:44
ubptgbot<TimDev> Yeah, that's what I though, just wanted to be sure :) Thank you!21:44
ubptgbot<TimDev> *thought21:44
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It's possible that the phone won't boot since the boot partition is installed right away21:45
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> So you will need to install before your phone is working again21:45
ubptgbot<TimDev> Okay, thanks for the heads-up :)21:45
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @TimDev, If you need install assistance you could head to the Welcome Room. Check in the link just above21:47
ubptgbotZero was added by: Zero21:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ken Monnin, What are you wanting to build? You can install most anything already in libertine.21:48
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Zero, Hello Zero. If you are new here check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome21:49
ubptgbot<TimDev> Thanks @Li22:14
ubptgbot<TimDev> [Edit] Thanks @Stereofont22:14
ubptgbotSean Watson was added by: Sean Watson22:29
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Ken, I'm trying to build from source in Libertine, when it works I can report the success to you.22:32
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/LB0zP8az.webp22:32
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Sean Watson, Hello Sean. Please check out this link if you are new https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome22:33
ubptgbot<Sean Watson> Hi. Installed stable version of Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 5. Did so via repositories in Linux Mint rather than installer. Works OK apart from GPS. GPS doesn't work at all. What is the fix for this?22:33
ubptgbot<Stereofont> What version does it say? Revision 1 or Revision 3?22:42
ubptgbot<Sean Watson> Hi. Its R3.22:43
ubptgbot<Stereofont> To get an initial fix it uses wifi correlation through Mozilla. You may be in an area without much data22:43
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Initial fix is extremely slow, especially indoors22:44
ubptgbot<Sean Watson> Thanks. Will try taking it for a drive tomorrow.22:44
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Testing using uNav?22:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, since when?22:49
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Since we made it do that in OTA-222:49

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