| daniel | opa | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| mate|42202 | hi all | 03:18 |
| Boyette | hi | 03:18 |
| mate|42202 | hows it going | 03:18 |
| Boyette | fine | 03:18 |
| Boyette | u? | 03:18 |
| mate|42202 | hi there | 03:18 |
| Boyette | hi there | 03:18 |
| mate|42202 | im good, how was your week? | 03:18 |
| Boyette | it was busy | 03:18 |
| mate|42202 | same here | 03:18 |
| mate|42202 | fooling around with this OS, I like it so far | 03:19 |
| stashb0x_ | hi | 03:19 |
| mate|42202 | hi there | 03:19 |
| mate|42202 | how are you doing? | 03:19 |
| Boyette | which os | 03:20 |
| mate|42202 | Ubuntu Mate | 03:20 |
| mate|42202 | first time user | 03:21 |
| stashb0x_ | good so far | 03:21 |
| stashb0x_ | mate|42202, what os were you using before? | 03:21 |
| mate|42202 | windows | 03:21 |
| mate|42202 | i grew up with windows, so i wanna try something new this year | 03:22 |
| stashb0x_ | mate|42202, how you liking it so far? | 03:22 |
| mate|42202 | I love it | 03:23 |
| mate|42202 | how long have you been using it? | 03:23 |
| stashb0x_ | Linux in general or Ubuntu Mate? | 03:24 |
| mate|42202 | Linux in general | 03:24 |
| stashb0x_ | since 2006-2007 maybe? | 03:25 |
| mate|42202 | I want to know different OS types anyways to be a good technician | 03:25 |
| mate|42202 | I say I started poking around last year more into it | 03:25 |
| stashb0x_ | Well with how Windows is intergrating alot of linux tools knowing Windows imho gives a advantage | 03:26 |
| mate|42202 | yes, i see that | 03:26 |
| stashb0x_ | and knowing what tools Linux has to offer as well | 03:26 |
| mate|42202 | yes | 03:26 |
| mate|42202 | I really like it | 03:26 |
| stashb0x_ | are you in sys/network administration now? | 03:26 |
| mate|42202 | not yea | 03:27 |
| mate|42202 | yet | 03:27 |
| mate|42202 | im in entry level with computer technician | 03:28 |
| mate|42202 | im working hard to get my Comptia A+ Cert this year | 03:29 |
| stashb0x_ | nice. are they looking into Linux or do they have some machines there already? | 03:29 |
| TaZeR | linux has been around since the mid 1840's | 03:30 |
| mate|42202 | they have windows all over the office, but i want to learn more about other OS | 03:30 |
| mate|42202 | wow, thats a long time | 03:30 |
| mate|42202 | I see over the years, it got better | 03:30 |
| TaZeR | of course back then it was known as the plague | 03:31 |
| TaZeR | it has come a long way | 03:31 |
| TaZeR | but once humans learned to digitize the plague we had what we today call modern linux | 03:31 |
| mate|42202 | oh wow, i never knew that | 03:31 |
| TaZeR | yep | 03:31 |
| stashb0x_ | TaZeR, haha | 03:31 |
| mate|42202 | lol | 03:32 |
| mate|42202 | well, i did use ubuntu years ago and hated it, but now, it has come a long way | 03:32 |
| Boyette | yes the computer was created somewhere in 1980 but linux already exists since 1840 mate | 03:33 |
| Boyette | it was called ALGEBRA that time later the name changed to LINUX | 03:34 |
| mate|42202 | i still think think the PET was a good looking classic home computer | 03:34 |
| Boyette | commodore | 03:35 |
| Boyette | i had that | 03:35 |
| mate|42202 | yes | 03:35 |
| mate|42202 | really? | 03:35 |
| mate|42202 | lucky | 03:36 |
| Boyette | commdore 64 i had | 03:36 |
| Boyette | commodore 64 | 03:36 |
| mate|42202 | nice | 03:36 |
| Boyette | it was very popular | 03:36 |
| mate|42202 | I never had one | 03:36 |
| Boyette | my father gave it to me when i was a child of 5 years old | 03:36 |
| Boyette | after 1 year i knew more then him :P | 03:36 |
| mate|42202 | I think my first computer was a Apple 2 | 03:36 |
| mate|42202 | i miss that computer a lot | 03:38 |
| mate|42202 | well guys, I have to go, it was nice talking to you. | 03:38 |
| mate|42202 | have a great weekend | 03:38 |
| TaZeR | i also had my first pc at a young age i was 6, it was a 486 dx2 66mhz and i was very quickly better at it than my father as well | 03:40 |
| TaZeR | so much so i didnt need him anymore and by age 8 i was trading stocks online and had my own place | 03:41 |
| Boyette | i also later got a 486 | 03:41 |
| Boyette | with floppy discs to boot | 03:41 |
| Boyette | very big one | 03:41 |
| Boyette | 8 inch | 03:42 |
| TaZeR | mine had the 3.5" floppys already | 03:42 |
| Boyette | yes they came later | 03:42 |
| Boyette | few years later | 03:42 |
| TaZeR | it was so much more expensive back then to get all the computer stuff | 03:43 |
| TaZeR | with printer monitor everything it was like $3500 | 03:43 |
| TaZeR | or something like that | 03:43 |
| Boyette | yes | 03:46 |
| Boyette | i can remember those times aswell | 03:46 |
| Boyette | choosing between 4mb and 8mb ram | 03:46 |
| Boyette | difference of 300$ | 03:46 |
| Boyette | imagine we have now 32000mb ram | 03:47 |
| amigax | hi all, my mate-terminal shows hidden files by default when using ll (or -l), how can I use the list format but EXCLUDE all hidden files? | 12:22 |
| diogenes_ | ls? | 12:23 |
| amigax | diogenes_, yes, like "ls -l", but that one shows all hidden files by default, which I did not expect... | 12:24 |
| diogenes_ | and if you input simply "ls" | 12:25 |
| diogenes_ | it is not supposed to show hidden | 12:25 |
| amigax | diogenes_, I want to use -l (list format), but NOT show the hidden files, only non-hidden files and directories | 12:25 |
| amigax | but in a list with file details (permissions, dates, etc.) | 12:25 |
| diogenes_ | try to rename mate-terminal config folder if there is such (sorry I use a different terminal) | 12:26 |
| amigax | I thought doing ls -l would do just that and NOT show the hidden files, because that is what the "-a" is for, right, so why does it do it in the opposite way..?? | 12:26 |
| diogenes_ | or even look for .bashrc file in your /home dir, if there is one, just rename it and see if that helps | 12:28 |
| amigax | diogenes_, there is only a .bashrc file, but it does not affect this, tried a terminal without it (renamed it), but the system still shows hidden files with the command "ls -l" | 12:34 |
| diogenes_ | and if you input: ls -a -l | 12:35 |
| amigax | almost seems like a bug, it does by default what it should do when using ls -a ("--all"). I would expect that to be an alias within .bashrc , but instead it is the opposite: I need to find an alias that turns the viewing of hidden files OFF (very backwards, and even impossible if the reverse of the -a switch simply does not exist..(?) | 12:36 |
| amigax | diogenes_, ls -a -l shows all the hidden files and folders (with the dot as the first character), that is why I suspect a bug here | 12:37 |
| diogenes_ | yeah probably | 12:37 |
| amigax | diogenes_, which terminal do you use, what does ls -a -l show in your case? | 12:38 |
| mate|82114 | Hello! I've got a problem to install an application - the terminal error message returns: "Cannot find module wake-event"... and I don't know where to get this module. After some research at google and ddg - I just found someone who created some java-script with that name. Can anybody tell me if this module belongs to the basic linux installation? | 12:47 |
| mate|82114 | Thank you in advance for the answer! | 12:47 |
| amigax | mate|82114, could it be related to npm; do you have a dependency on npm in what you are installing? | 12:53 |
| mate|82114 | Hello amigax, indeed - it does! | 12:53 |
| amigax | mate|82114, a quick google search indicates that the module "wake-event" might be a part of npm... | 12:54 |
| mate|82114 | I used "npm install" before - so far so good... does it? well - let me see if I missed something there. | 12:54 |
| mate|82114 | Oh yes... | 12:55 |
| mate|82114 | I absolutely didn't see it - there is even the command to install. | 12:55 |
| mate|82114 | My bad - and thank you for the answer! | 12:55 |
| amigax | mate|82114, my pleasure | 12:55 |
| mate|82114 | Installed Linux for the first time yesterday - still trying to get through it. | 12:56 |
| amigax | mate|82114, are you unfamiliar with any/all linux distros? Which other OS do you know a bit technically? | 12:57 |
| mate|82114 | almost 8 years ago, used ubuntu for some months - but wasn't able to keep the experience going on. Since that - just the ordinary windows operating systems. But decided to use linux instead. | 12:58 |
| mate|82114 | And of course, the dos experience in the old days. ;-) | 12:58 |
| amigax | mate|82114, just a tip: in order to stay a bit informed about dependencies and such, I always prefer the Synaptic Package manager in addition to the command line - if you turn on viewing properties in its preferences, then you get a lot of useful info. | 12:59 |
| amigax | mate|82114, I am in the process of evaluating whether I would standardise across multiple computers on Ubuntu Mate in case it simplifies the testing and evaluation of small devices such as Raspberry Pi, etc. | 13:01 |
| mate|82114 | ah - so the SPM would have downloaded the package based on the dependency. Or at least it would have given some dependency info. Thank you! Good to know | 13:01 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: Which distro did you use before? Does it seem capable to fulfil your requirements for this step? | 13:02 |
| amigax | mate|82114, I think the dependencies are the same across apt-get/apt/dpm and SPM, but in SPM it is easier to see and check the other, similar/related packages as they are shown in the list; one click and you can see the properties and a separate dependency tab. | 13:03 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: Thank you for the advise. Going to take advantage of this SPM- functionality | 13:04 |
| amigax | mate|82114, ideally, I want to use Qubes-OS(.org), but it needs a lot in the department of hardware compatibility etc., so I have been using Ubungu with Gnome and CompizConfigManager (CCM) mostly. But it is unnecessariliy resource hungry, and now I want to check out smaller computers, and especially running Linux as Virtual Machines or (docker?) containers. And since Ubuntu Mate is part of the recommendations from the Raspberry Pi project, I want to | 13:05 |
| amigax | check out that first. | 13:05 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: I've read about the use of Ubuntu-Mate on a Pi. Didn't try it yet though. But good luck! I hope it will work out well for you. | 13:07 |
| amigax | I want to have several Ubuntu mates running in Qubes-OS, for example, and to help young people/children/teens getting started with a good experience on something like a Raspberry (or better competitors). | 13:07 |
| amigax | mate|82114, I am running it just fine on Raspberry, but want to get a more powerful alternative. The problem now is which ones comes with CPUs that are NOT vulnerable to the Meltdown/Spectre bugs (Raspberry Pi is immune to that...) | 13:08 |
| mate|82114 | I think it is a good choice to start with Ubuntu-Mate (Linux) - especially for the young people to learn something about alternatives to the ordinary Ms-products. | 13:09 |
| amigax | mate|82114, Raspberry is not powerful enough, just a test start. Checking out the processor specs etc. of competitors these days | 13:09 |
| mate|82114 | The "stronger" CPU's are usually vulnerable to those issues - I am afraid... | 13:10 |
| amigax | mate|82114, yes, exactly, I am involved in planning a new community for this, called "MOMOC" (Master-Of-My-Own-C*) (12 C's: Computer(s), ComputING (automation), Comfort(security), etc.) | 13:10 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: It sounds interesting, as it seems to be a very ambicous project. This community focusses at younger people as you'd mentioned before? | 13:12 |
| amigax | mate|82114, yes, not only , but in particular teenagers / young adults / and the other end; retired/old people with little computer skills | 13:13 |
| amigax | then there is a special "club" for "superusers", which can be anyone, one part of this will be open/free, another will be within a paid membership with one normal level/department, and one for superusers | 13:15 |
| amigax | mate|82114, it is also part of recruiting "IT-consultant-wannabees", to train new IT professionals into a new/growing market (that is a separate community) | 13:16 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: I like the idea! Does there exist a web-reference to your group already? | 13:16 |
| mate|82114 | I see | 13:17 |
| amigax | mate|82114, if you have a twitter account, you can get in touch through a Direct Message to https://twitter.com/@MOMOCzone | 13:20 |
| amigax | mate|82114, notice that the web sites are not ready yet, but the community is available via other channels such as XMPP/Jabber, WebRTC, etc. | 13:21 |
| amigax | mate|82114, if you have a web site/point of contact, I can pass it on if you like | 13:22 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: I am checking out the twitter link. Don't have twitter myself yet. But it appears to me more and more useful the more I get in contact with the Linux-Community. Also don't have jabber or WebRTC - but I am going to get a twitter account to follow there. | 13:24 |
| amigax | mate|82114, if you are just getting started, then perhaps I can tip you off about the up-and-coming Twitter alternative called "Mastodon" (www.Mastodon.social = main hub, but it is DECENTRALISED, so no need for the main one..!) | 13:26 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: I think that it will take me a while to master some simple installations of unofficial packages, so I am sure that there will be a higher need of those forms of communication to me. This is one of the things, that bothers me the most. Installing custom programs. It is a lack of comfort that I feel, based on the lack of knowledge that I have | 13:26 |
| mate|82114 | . :D | 13:26 |
| mate|82114 | Twitter alternative - let me see. So many useful information on hand here. Appreciated. | 13:28 |
| amigax | mate|82114, You may get in touch with us through https://mastodon.host/@info_overlord | 13:28 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: The mastodon page appears to establish an unsecure connection. Did you face the same problem? | 13:29 |
| amigax | mate|82114, the point with Twitter is that THEY own YOUR account, which sucks, with Mastodon, you can own not only your own account(S), but even your own whole Mastodon instance/server... No-one can block your accounts for whatever reason(s). | 13:29 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: Sounds great! I haven't heared about this before. | 13:30 |
| amigax | mate|82114, this is part of the competence/insights that the MOMOCzone community includes | 13:30 |
| amigax | mate|82114, a tip: almost "all" Mastodon.* instances adhere to a maximum "toot" ("tweet") of 500 characters (unlike Twitter's new 280 limit), but mastodon.HOST has its own limit of 1000 characters per toot... ;-) | 13:31 |
| amigax | mate|82114, and the others are federating/syndicating all toots, including those that go beyond the normal limit, so no worries there. | 13:32 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: Just saved your Mastodon-reference in the favorites. As soon as I've completed my installation, going to check the Mastodon.social out a bit deeper. | 13:32 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: Btw. I like the "toot"-idea :D | 13:33 |
| amigax | and if you are an Android smartphone user, I recommend the Mastalab app for Mastodon usage, it is multi-account and in a good development just now. | 13:33 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: Am I able to find this app in the F-droid-Store? | 13:34 |
| amigax | mate|82114, we are very much focused on supporting the open-source philosophy that also happens to be good for each one's privacy etc. | 13:34 |
| amigax | mate|82114, I _think_ it has a F-droid version as well | 13:35 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: I think that the concept of focussing at privacy is going to be more and more important to all of us. As a result, many of the users are going to think and decide more carefuly which OS to use or which information to share. | 13:36 |
| amigax | mate|82114, if you do join, please refer to my nick here and we'll continue to stay in touch there if you like :-) | 13:36 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: Would be a pleasure to stay in touch! wrote down all of the useful information, regarding our future exchange on mastodon. :D | 13:37 |
| guillermo | hello guys. Is this chat available to resolve bugs with ubuntu? | 13:38 |
| amigax | mate|82114, so you do not need a Twitter account if Mastodon is ok, try M. first! | 13:38 |
| mate|82114 | amigax: I will give M priority - for sure. | 13:39 |
| mate|82114 | guillermo: Hello, I am not sure about the bugs. I think that there was a separate link on the main-page to report bugs. | 13:39 |
| mate|82114 | guillermo: But even like this, maybe there is some advanced user, that will take care of that. | 13:40 |
| ole_ | test from Denmark ole's mate | 15:20 |
| haganeninja | good day everyone | 15:40 |
| haganeninja | hows it going? | 15:40 |
| diogenes_ | slowly as a pregnant snail crawling up the hill | 15:40 |
| haganeninja | dang, bad start i see | 15:40 |
| diogenes_ | why bad? | 15:41 |
| haganeninja | well, its a slow start of the day, no? | 15:42 |
| Talikkaf | There is a good guide book of Ubuntu MATE in English at goinglinux.com - do you know if turorial books exist for other languages? | 15:43 |
| levi | foo | 19:59 |
| diogenes_ | bar | 20:02 |
| levi | can somebody help me please | 20:31 |
| alkisg | !ask | 20:31 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 20:31 |
| levi | ok I will the wifi icon vanished and i need it | 20:32 |
| alkisg | Does it show up again if you reboot? | 20:32 |
| levi | ill try | 20:32 |
| myadmin | ! | 22:43 |
| myadmin | Hello | 22:44 |
| dyno7 | how to upgrade ubuntu mate 16.04 to newer on pi3 | 23:10 |
| dyno7 | using comand line | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | "sudo do-release-upgrade" | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | but it will probably fill up the SD card and then crash on a pi | 23:35 |
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