[00:21] <daniel> opa
[03:18] <mate|42202> hi all
[03:18] <Boyette> hi
[03:18] <mate|42202> hows it going
[03:18] <Boyette> fine
[03:18] <Boyette> u?
[03:18] <mate|42202> hi there
[03:18] <Boyette> hi there
[03:18] <mate|42202> im good, how was your week?
[03:18] <Boyette> it was busy
[03:18] <mate|42202> same here
[03:19] <mate|42202> fooling around with this OS, I like it so far
[03:19] <stashb0x_> hi
[03:19] <mate|42202> hi there
[03:19] <mate|42202> how are you doing?
[03:20] <Boyette> which os
[03:20] <mate|42202> Ubuntu Mate
[03:21] <mate|42202> first time user
[03:21] <stashb0x_> good so far
[03:21] <stashb0x_> mate|42202, what os were you using before?
[03:21] <mate|42202> windows
[03:22] <mate|42202> i grew up with windows, so i wanna try something new this year
[03:22] <stashb0x_> mate|42202, how you liking it so far?
[03:23] <mate|42202> I love it
[03:23] <mate|42202> how long have you been using it?
[03:24] <stashb0x_> Linux in general or Ubuntu Mate?
[03:24] <mate|42202> Linux in general
[03:25] <stashb0x_> since 2006-2007 maybe?
[03:25] <mate|42202> I want to know different OS types anyways to be a good technician
[03:25] <mate|42202> I say I started poking around last year more into it
[03:26] <stashb0x_> Well with how Windows is intergrating alot of linux tools knowing Windows imho gives a advantage
[03:26] <mate|42202> yes, i see that
[03:26] <stashb0x_> and knowing what tools Linux has to offer as well
[03:26] <mate|42202> yes
[03:26] <mate|42202> I really like it
[03:26] <stashb0x_> are you in sys/network administration now?
[03:27] <mate|42202> not yea
[03:27] <mate|42202> yet
[03:28] <mate|42202> im in entry level with computer technician
[03:29] <mate|42202> im working hard to get my Comptia A+ Cert this year
[03:29] <stashb0x_> nice. are they looking into Linux or do they have some machines there already?
[03:30] <TaZeR> linux has been around since the mid 1840's
[03:30] <mate|42202> they have windows all over the office, but i want to learn more about other OS
[03:30] <mate|42202> wow, thats a long time
[03:30] <mate|42202> I see over the years, it got better
[03:31] <TaZeR> of course back then it was known as the plague
[03:31] <TaZeR> it has come a long way
[03:31] <TaZeR> but once humans learned to digitize the plague we had what we today call modern linux
[03:31] <mate|42202> oh wow, i never knew that
[03:31] <TaZeR> yep
[03:31] <stashb0x_> TaZeR, haha
[03:32] <mate|42202> lol
[03:32] <mate|42202> well, i did use ubuntu years ago and hated it, but now, it has come a long way
[03:33] <Boyette> yes the computer was created somewhere in 1980 but linux already exists since 1840 mate
[03:34] <Boyette> it was called ALGEBRA that time later the name changed to LINUX
[03:34] <mate|42202> i still think think the PET was a good looking classic home computer
[03:35] <Boyette> commodore
[03:35] <Boyette> i had that
[03:35] <mate|42202> yes
[03:35] <mate|42202> really?
[03:36] <mate|42202> lucky
[03:36] <Boyette> commdore 64 i had
[03:36] <Boyette> commodore 64
[03:36] <mate|42202> nice
[03:36] <Boyette> it was very popular
[03:36] <mate|42202> I never had one
[03:36] <Boyette> my father gave it to me when i was a child of 5 years old
[03:36] <Boyette> after 1 year i knew more then him :P
[03:36] <mate|42202> I think my first computer was a  Apple 2
[03:38] <mate|42202> i miss that computer a lot
[03:38] <mate|42202> well guys, I have to go, it was nice talking to you.
[03:38] <mate|42202> have a great weekend
[03:40] <TaZeR> i also had my first pc at a young age i was 6, it was a 486 dx2 66mhz and i was very quickly better at it than my father as well
[03:41] <TaZeR> so much so i didnt need him anymore and by age 8 i was trading stocks online and had my own place
[03:41] <Boyette> i also later got a 486
[03:41] <Boyette> with floppy discs to boot
[03:41] <Boyette> very big one
[03:42] <Boyette> 8 inch
[03:42] <TaZeR> mine had the 3.5" floppys already
[03:42] <Boyette> yes they came later
[03:42] <Boyette> few years later
[03:43] <TaZeR> it was so much more expensive back then to get all the computer stuff
[03:43] <TaZeR> with printer monitor everything it was like $3500
[03:43] <TaZeR> or something like that
[03:46] <Boyette> yes
[03:46] <Boyette> i can remember those times aswell
[03:46] <Boyette> choosing between 4mb and 8mb ram
[03:46] <Boyette> difference of 300$
[03:47] <Boyette> imagine we have now 32000mb ram
[12:22] <amigax> hi all, my mate-terminal shows hidden files by default when using ll (or -l), how can I use the list format but EXCLUDE all hidden files?
[12:23] <diogenes_> ls?
[12:24] <amigax> diogenes_, yes, like "ls -l", but that one shows all hidden files by default, which I did not expect...
[12:25] <diogenes_> and if you input simply "ls"
[12:25] <diogenes_> it is not supposed to show hidden
[12:25] <amigax> diogenes_, I want to use -l (list format), but NOT show the hidden files, only non-hidden files and directories
[12:25] <amigax> but in a list with file details (permissions, dates, etc.)
[12:26] <diogenes_> try to rename mate-terminal config folder if there is such (sorry I use a different terminal)
[12:26] <amigax> I thought doing ls -l would do just that and NOT show the hidden files, because that is what the "-a" is for, right, so why does it do it in the opposite way..??
[12:28] <diogenes_> or even look for .bashrc file in your /home dir, if there is one, just rename it and see if that helps
[12:34] <amigax> diogenes_, there is only a .bashrc file, but it does not affect this, tried a terminal without it (renamed it), but the system still shows hidden files with the command "ls -l"
[12:35] <diogenes_> and if you input: ls -a -l
[12:36] <amigax> almost seems like a bug, it does by default what it should do when using ls -a ("--all"). I would expect that to be an alias within .bashrc , but instead it is the opposite: I need to find an alias that turns the viewing of hidden files OFF (very backwards, and even impossible if the reverse of the -a switch simply does not exist..(?)
[12:37] <amigax> diogenes_, ls -a -l shows all the hidden files and folders (with the dot as the first character), that is why I suspect a bug here
[12:37] <diogenes_> yeah probably
[12:38] <amigax> diogenes_, which terminal do you use, what does ls -a -l show in your case?
[12:47] <mate|82114> Hello! I've got a problem to install an application - the terminal error message returns: "Cannot find module wake-event"... and I don't know where to get this module. After some research at google and ddg - I just found someone who created some java-script with that name. Can anybody tell me if this module belongs to the basic linux installation?
[12:47] <mate|82114> Thank you in advance for the answer!
[12:53] <amigax> mate|82114, could it be related to npm; do you have a dependency on npm in what you are installing?
[12:53] <mate|82114> Hello amigax, indeed - it does!
[12:54] <amigax> mate|82114, a quick google search indicates that the module "wake-event" might be a part of npm...
[12:54] <mate|82114> I used "npm install" before - so far so good... does it? well - let me see if I missed something there.
[12:55] <mate|82114> Oh yes...
[12:55] <mate|82114> I absolutely didn't see it - there is even the command to install.
[12:55] <mate|82114> My bad - and thank you for the answer!
[12:55] <amigax> mate|82114, my pleasure
[12:56] <mate|82114> Installed Linux for the first time yesterday - still trying to get through it.
[12:57] <amigax> mate|82114, are you unfamiliar with any/all linux distros? Which other OS do you know a bit technically?
[12:58] <mate|82114> almost 8 years ago, used ubuntu for some months - but wasn't able to keep the experience going on. Since that - just the ordinary windows operating systems. But decided to use linux instead.
[12:58] <mate|82114> And of course, the dos experience in the old days. ;-)
[12:59] <amigax> mate|82114, just a tip: in order to stay a bit informed about dependencies and such, I always prefer the Synaptic Package manager in addition to the command line - if you turn on viewing properties in its preferences, then you get a lot of useful info.
[13:01] <amigax> mate|82114, I am in the process of evaluating whether I would standardise across multiple computers on Ubuntu Mate in case it simplifies the testing and evaluation of small devices such as Raspberry Pi, etc.
[13:01] <mate|82114> ah - so the SPM would have downloaded the package based on the dependency. Or at least it would have given some dependency info. Thank you! Good to know
[13:02] <mate|82114> amigax: Which distro did you use before? Does it seem capable to fulfil your requirements for this step?
[13:03] <amigax> mate|82114, I think the dependencies are the same across apt-get/apt/dpm and SPM, but in SPM it is easier to see and check the other, similar/related packages as they are shown in the list; one click and you can see the properties and a separate dependency tab.
[13:04] <mate|82114> amigax: Thank you for the advise. Going to take advantage of this SPM- functionality
[13:05] <amigax> mate|82114, ideally, I want to use Qubes-OS(.org), but it needs a lot in the department of hardware compatibility etc., so I have been using Ubungu with Gnome and CompizConfigManager (CCM) mostly. But it is unnecessariliy resource hungry, and now I want to check out smaller computers, and especially running Linux as Virtual Machines or (docker?) containers. And since Ubuntu Mate is part of the recommendations from the Raspberry Pi project, I want to
[13:05] <amigax> check out that first.
[13:07] <mate|82114> amigax: I've read about the use of Ubuntu-Mate on a Pi. Didn't try it yet though. But good luck! I hope it will work out well for you.
[13:07] <amigax> I want to have several Ubuntu mates running in Qubes-OS, for example, and to help young people/children/teens getting started with a good experience on something like a Raspberry (or better competitors).
[13:08] <amigax> mate|82114, I am running it just fine on Raspberry, but want to get a more powerful alternative. The problem now is which ones comes with CPUs that are NOT vulnerable to the Meltdown/Spectre bugs (Raspberry Pi is immune to that...)
[13:09] <mate|82114> I think it is a good choice to start with Ubuntu-Mate (Linux) - especially for the young people to learn something about alternatives to the ordinary Ms-products.
[13:09] <amigax> mate|82114, Raspberry is not powerful enough, just a test start. Checking out the processor specs etc. of competitors these days
[13:10] <mate|82114> The "stronger" CPU's are usually vulnerable to those issues - I am afraid...
[13:10] <amigax> mate|82114, yes, exactly, I am involved in planning a new community for this, called "MOMOC" (Master-Of-My-Own-C*) (12 C's: Computer(s), ComputING (automation), Comfort(security), etc.)
[13:12] <mate|82114> amigax: It sounds interesting, as it seems to be a very ambicous project. This community focusses at younger people as you'd mentioned before?
[13:13] <amigax> mate|82114, yes, not only , but in particular teenagers / young adults / and the other end; retired/old people with little computer skills
[13:15] <amigax> then there is a special "club" for "superusers", which can be anyone, one part of this will be open/free, another will be within a paid membership with one normal level/department, and one for superusers
[13:16] <amigax> mate|82114, it is also part of recruiting "IT-consultant-wannabees", to train new IT professionals into a new/growing market (that is a separate community)
[13:16] <mate|82114> amigax: I like the idea! Does there exist a web-reference to your group already?
[13:17] <mate|82114> I see
[13:20] <amigax> mate|82114, if you have a twitter account, you can get in touch through a Direct Message to https://twitter.com/@MOMOCzone
[13:21] <amigax> mate|82114, notice that the web sites are not ready yet, but the community is available via other channels such as XMPP/Jabber, WebRTC, etc.
[13:22] <amigax> mate|82114, if you have a web site/point of contact, I can pass it on if you like
[13:24] <mate|82114> amigax: I am checking out the twitter link. Don't have twitter myself yet. But it appears to me more and more useful the more I get in contact with the Linux-Community. Also don't have jabber or WebRTC - but I am going to get a twitter account to follow there.
[13:26] <amigax> mate|82114, if you are just getting started, then perhaps I can tip you off about the up-and-coming Twitter alternative called "Mastodon" (www.Mastodon.social = main hub, but it is DECENTRALISED, so no need for the main one..!)
[13:26] <mate|82114> amigax: I think that it will take me a while to master some simple installations of unofficial packages, so I am sure that there will be a higher need of those forms of communication to me. This is one of the things, that bothers me the most. Installing custom programs. It is a lack of comfort that I feel, based on the lack of knowledge that I have
[13:26] <mate|82114> . :D
[13:28] <mate|82114> Twitter alternative - let me see. So many useful information on hand here. Appreciated.
[13:28] <amigax> mate|82114, You may get in touch with us through https://mastodon.host/@info_overlord
[13:29] <mate|82114> amigax: The mastodon page appears to establish an unsecure connection. Did you face the same problem?
[13:29] <amigax> mate|82114, the point with Twitter is that THEY own YOUR account, which sucks, with Mastodon, you can own not only your own account(S), but even your own whole Mastodon instance/server... No-one can block your accounts for whatever reason(s).
[13:30] <mate|82114> amigax:  Sounds great! I haven't heared about this before.
[13:30] <amigax> mate|82114, this is part of the competence/insights that the MOMOCzone community includes
[13:31] <amigax> mate|82114, a tip: almost "all" Mastodon.* instances adhere to a maximum "toot" ("tweet") of 500 characters (unlike Twitter's new 280 limit), but mastodon.HOST has its own limit of 1000 characters per toot... ;-)
[13:32] <amigax> mate|82114, and the others are federating/syndicating all toots, including those that go beyond the normal limit, so no worries there.
[13:32] <mate|82114> amigax: Just saved your Mastodon-reference in the favorites. As soon as I've completed my installation, going to check the Mastodon.social out a bit deeper.
[13:33] <mate|82114> amigax: Btw. I like the "toot"-idea :D
[13:33] <amigax> and if you are an Android smartphone user, I recommend the Mastalab app for Mastodon usage, it is multi-account and in a good development just now.
[13:34] <mate|82114> amigax:   Am I able to find this app in the F-droid-Store?
[13:34] <amigax> mate|82114, we are very much focused on supporting the open-source philosophy that also happens to be good for each one's privacy etc.
[13:35] <amigax> mate|82114, I _think_ it has a F-droid version as well
[13:36] <mate|82114> amigax: I think that the concept of focussing at privacy is going to be more and more important to all of us. As a result, many of the users are going to think and decide more carefuly which OS to use or which information to share.
[13:36] <amigax> mate|82114, if you do join, please refer to my nick here and we'll continue to stay in touch there if you like :-)
[13:37] <mate|82114> amigax: Would be a pleasure to stay in touch! wrote down all of the useful information, regarding our future exchange on mastodon. :D
[13:38] <guillermo> hello guys. Is this chat available to resolve bugs with ubuntu?
[13:38] <amigax> mate|82114, so you do not need a Twitter account if Mastodon is ok, try M. first!
[13:39] <mate|82114> amigax: I will give M priority - for sure.
[13:39] <mate|82114> guillermo: Hello, I am not sure about the bugs. I think that there was a separate link on the main-page to report bugs.
[13:40] <mate|82114> guillermo: But even like this, maybe there is some advanced user, that will take care of that.
[15:20] <ole_> test from Denmark ole's mate
[15:40] <haganeninja> good day everyone
[15:40] <haganeninja> hows it going?
[15:40] <diogenes_> slowly as a pregnant snail crawling up the hill
[15:40] <haganeninja> dang, bad start i see
[15:41] <diogenes_> why bad?
[15:42] <haganeninja> well, its a slow start of the day, no?
[15:43] <Talikkaf> There is a good guide book of Ubuntu MATE in English at goinglinux.com - do you know if turorial books exist for other languages?
[19:59] <levi> foo
[20:02] <diogenes_> bar
[20:31] <levi> can somebody help me please
[20:31] <alkisg> !ask
[20:32] <levi> ok I will the wifi icon vanished and i need it
[20:32] <alkisg> Does it show up again if you reboot?
[20:32] <levi> ill try
[22:43] <myadmin> !
[22:44] <myadmin> Hello
[23:10] <dyno7> how to upgrade ubuntu mate 16.04 to newer on pi3
[23:11] <dyno7> using comand line
[23:34] <ali1234> "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[23:35] <ali1234> but it will probably fill up the SD card and then crash on a pi