 @Luiz Cláudio, What's the name of this icon theme?
 @StepanSkryabin, that's Numix: https://github.com/numixproject/numix-icon-theme
 @VikingRedwolf, Thank you!
 yw 😊
 Jacob Hello
 hi someone runnig zorin?
 @Ricardo, That's not what this channel is for 😉
[19:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA80o
[19:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master f88971f Redwolf: Update new logo
 .___.
 @VikingRedwolf I'll set up LUGITO with the new repos
[19:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8EE
[19:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-identity/master 09f7b85 Redwolf: Modify licence
 It works \o/
[21:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8Va
[21:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-identity/master 38acee4 Redwolf: Update README.md
[21:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8Vo
[21:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-identity/master 5d915c9 Redwolf: Update README.md
[21:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8Vx
[21:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-identity/master 4b96eba Redwolf: Fix some typos
[21:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8Vj
[21:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-identity/master 208d94f Redwolf: Delete lubuntu-corporate-manual.pdf
[21:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8we
[21:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-identity/master 45f134b Redwolf: Delete lubuntu-corporate-manual.sla
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-identity] vikingredwolf pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vA8wq
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-identity/master 2d3f289 Redwolf: Fix typos, sections and nomenclature
 shut up, lugito!
 @VikingRedwolf, Then learn to do things in one Git push :)
 naah, this way it looks I work hard
 @tsimonq2, is 16.04.4 about to land?
 @VikingRedwolf, No
 March 1st
 good
 I guess you'll take care of the download links 😉
 Oh?
 I'll be harvesting carrots that day 😐
 I'm a farmer now, remember
 haha
 what?
 @acheronuk, yes
 fancy a carrot soup?
 nope!
 I have tomato soup if you prefer
 leek and potato
 not bad
 chicken + something is better
 :)
 @tsimonq2 how's kvantum packaging going?
 because I think it's in the repos
 @VikingRedwolf, You wanted me to package that?
 .___.
 @VikingRedwolf, Is it?
[22:31] <tsimonq2> !info kvantum
 tis
 Is it?
 oh
 then... DOETT!!
 So what is Kvantum?
 Like, is that something we have to seed?
 yup
 it's the Qt engine that will allow you to use Arc themes for Plasma / Qt / KDE apps
 oh, and if we're going to include SMPlayer as the video player by default, we should "wear" it in an Arc skin
 OK
 because the default look is UNBEARABLE!
 Let me package it right now for you.
 @tsimonq2, huh? kvantum?
 yeah
 and what about smplayer? would it be possible to include the Arc theme and choose it in the installation?
 Probably, yeah
 let me look for it
[23:13] <agaida> i would suggest not to use kvantum by default - to hard to configure for a normal lubuntu user
[23:13] <tsimonq2> Then what else do you suggest that works just as well?
[23:13] <agaida> redwolf: and even for maintainers
[23:13] <agaida> nothing - a working theme
 arc theme for qt?
[23:14] <agaida> nope
 btw, @tsimonq2, read below: https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/papirus-smplayer-theme
[23:15] <redwolf> then, agaida?
[23:16] <agaida> https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/issues/1446 - see your problem here - and good luck. Oxygen works more or less, fanenza works more or less ...
[23:16] <redwolf> icons are not the problem
[23:17] <tsimonq2> Funny enough agaida, kvantum's the only solution to that problem
[23:17] <tsimonq2> I want the problem fixed
[23:17] <tsimonq2> So simple, we use kvantum
[23:18] <redwolf> yes, we use kvantum, activate the Arc-Darker theme, and forget it right there. if any user wants to play with it'll be his problem
[23:18] <tsimonq2> right
[23:18] <agaida> nope, kvantum is a fugly workaround that will introduce far more problems - but feel free to do whatever you want to
[23:18] <redwolf> lxqt is a mess itself. having a mixture of desktop widgets, qt widgets, gtk2 and gtk3 controls, plasma widgets...
[23:18] <redwolf> and you need to control each ones in a different way
[23:18] <agaida> so - why not ignore lxqt if you are not able to handle it?
[23:19] <redwolf> oh, and window borders
[23:19] <redwolf> when I see Elementary and Solus, I want to cry. those two solved it by using ONE theme for everything
[23:19] <tsimonq2> Plus you expect distributions to read configuration in non-standard places
[23:19] <tsimonq2> Right, exactly
[23:19] <agaida> window borders are not a lxqt problem
[23:19] <redwolf> nor gtk are
[23:19] <redwolf> nor qt widgets
[23:19] <agaida> tsimonq2: handle it
[23:20] <redwolf> lxqt just added another problem. why that desktop isn't able to use standard themes like budgie?
[23:20] <agaida> redwolf: easy answer - use budgie
[23:20] <tsimonq2> agaida: I'll handle the nonstandard location of config dirs in LXQt, just letting you know that upstream is the problem :)
[23:20] <redwolf> easy solution is creating two or three Arc themes, applying them and forget about changing them
[23:20] <tsimonq2> I'm not going to take "you like our mess or screw off" as an answer.
[23:21] <redwolf> maybe budgie is going to be a mess once Solus 4 injects Qt code everywhere as well
[23:21] <tsimonq2> We're fixing this.
[23:21] <redwolf> yes
[23:21] <tsimonq2> I don't care what it takes.
[23:21] <redwolf> I think we're managing it pretty well
[23:21] <tsimonq2> I do too
[23:21] <redwolf> another reason why I gave up with Box. I can't control so many widgets
[23:22] <redwolf> I'll play a bit with smplayer now to integrate it with the desktop
[23:22] <agaida> soo cool, the better upstream then upstream - we are waiting for some fixes :D
[23:22] <tsimonq2> agaida: We'll send 'em
[23:22] <redwolf> BUT you'll have to invite us a beer, agaida. and as tsimonq2 is underage, I'll have his
[23:22] <redwolf> .___.
[23:23] <tsimonq2> We'll just have a better LXQt offering than the rest for a while, while upstream takes the usual five years to incorporate new fixes
 @tsimonq2, Lol
[23:23] <agaida> yeah - better design (black) included
[23:23] <tsimonq2> We've fixed that.
[23:24] <agaida> and the free choice of a window manager: openbox, kwin preinstalled - really impressive
 Black is elegant
[23:24] <tsimonq2> But then ofc upstream's gotta mess with the openbox settings in weird ways
[23:24] <tsimonq2> agaida: yeah no, that's not intentional
[23:24] <tsimonq2> At least we don't use Xfce's WM >_>
[23:24] <agaida> heroic
[23:27] <agaida> btw - with some simple scripting and some additional desktop files kwin would be a nearly perfect WM for LXQt - not exactly lightweight, but ok
[23:28] <tsimonq2> Not an option since upstream decided to ditch X support entirely
[23:28] <tsimonq2> We depend on that, and eventually it will bitrot
[23:30] <agaida> so the best current choice is xfwm4 - composing included, edge snapping, works fine with GTK - i mentiond the dead composer before - and tsujan (the driving force behind pcmanfm-qt, libfm-qt, featherpad, kvantum and many other things) use compiz as WM - also a good choice
[23:32] <tsimonq2> We can investigate others, I know compiz seems cool.
[23:33] <agaida> and has a long LX* tradition - Knoppix rely on compiz since years
[23:33] <tsimonq2> But for now, I think for the 18.04 release, openbox will be the window manager.
[23:35] <agaida> and please do me a favour - for gods sake, please deliver compton with a sane pre-configuration and don't take the current defaults - there is a bug open for it, but ENOTIME
[23:36] <agaida> otherwise the first usage of compton-conf will render the desktop nearly unusable