[00:48] <ubptgbot> alxcb was added by: alxcb
 @alxcb, welcome Arina!
 _bot
 @PhoenixLandPirate, that's a small joke from me only you would get :P
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 I don't think you need to re-post the same thing every day, and re-pin it too.
 Thanks!
 @alxcb_bot, Hello Arina and @Daniator Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9ZKiy36C.mp4
[08:41] <ubptgbot> Eran Samet was added by: Eran Samet
 @alxcb_bot, [Edit] Hello Arina and @Daniator and Eran Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @alxcb i was not talking about You , but about the situation, pls
 @Eran Samet, Hello Eran. Nice to see you in our community
 @alxcb there has been a serious breakdown in language. What you understood has not been said. Can happen sometimes when everyone is using English
 Eran, you do not have a username in Telegram so I am not able to ping you or invite you to groups
 @Stereofont, You can still ping … Example … Eran
 @Tedster, Thanks. At the moment the group thing is the one that matters 😎
 @Tedster, Nice btw to see another from the UK here
 @Stereofont, Yup; shame you can't add by user ID
 @Stereofont, How'd you come to the UK as a location for me?
 @Tedster, Hart-Davis is improbable as a US name? Very English
 Plus it is 05:55 in NYC 😎
[10:56] <ubptgbot> Osman Ali was added by: Osman Ali
 Elementary
[10:56] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> Hello
 @Osman Ali, Hello Osman. Good to have you here. Let us know if we can help you
 https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome check out this
[10:58] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> Hello. I'm loved ubuntu touch. I comed from turkey. In your website welcome link not working.
 @Stereofont, You'd be rather correct
 And I was half expecting a doxxing story lol
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> @Stereofont, i cant join turkish group
 @Tedster, Just probabilities. The chances of a Dutch Hart-Davis are the same as that for the moon being made of blue cheese 😂
 @Osman Ali, Osman @gnutr
 @Osman Ali, There are some problems. I would like to invite you to another group but I cannot, as you do not have a username
 burda Türklere saygısızlık yapıldı ondan Türk grubu dağıldı Osman
 Onur. Please to not promote unrelated groups here
 He searching Turkish group. 😒
 He asked for a UBports group
[11:09] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> Çok ayıp gerçekten
[11:09] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> bana da saygısızlık yaptı özelden
 gruba girersen mesajlari okuyup konu hakkında bilgi sahibi olabilirsin
 bayagi hor gorme niyetlilerdi bizde aksam karar alip bağı kestik
 grupları sana özelden yolluyorum
 In English please
[11:11] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> We not support ubports after that 😢
 Disagreements should be resolved by discussion. Not by sudden action without any attempt at discussion
[11:13] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> If the Turks are not respected, we are not here!
 There has been a lot of misunderstanding but if people refuse to talk, it is impossible to explain and resolve
 All nations are respected here
 @Stereofont you can not solve racism by talking 😒
 There has been no racism
 there is a Turkish group for ubports
 @ubports_tr
 iirx
 [Edit] iirc
 @Stereofont, You are thinking wrong
[11:18] <ubptgbot> <Osman Ali> @bsgri, +1
 @bsgri, Please explain your allegation of racism
 ¿?
 @vanyasem, was it deleted
 @vanyasem, They broke away without discussion
 understandable
 @Stereofont, But I didn't sleep last night, point invalidated
 @Stereofont, Loll
[11:21] <ubptgbot> k4nk4 was added by: k4nk4
 @k4nk4, Hello kanka. Let us know if we can help with anything https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Stereofont, they were despised for being Turk. i think this is enough
 @Stereofont  go @gnutr ( old ubport turkey group) an read last night messages
 @bsgri, Hi, not true, what would we gain with this attitude
 YOU CAN NOT understandable!
 [Edit] @Stereofont  go @gnutr ( old ubport turkey group) and read last night messages
 You only say "translate it, translate it, lets translate it, what is the staying?, translate it now"
 @archi_dagac, The web pages are not translated into any language yet. Not French, German or Italian. Why is not having the web pages in Turkish an anti-Turkish thing? ?
 I know what happened in private group
 @archi_dagac, Which private group you mean Celti, pls?
 We say we cant use ubports, we can build it for more devices
 You say, buy our phones
 [Edit] You say: buy our phones
 @archi_dagac, We do not own any phones, we cannot produce any
 We never used ubuntu touch, we cant, you say "translate"
 In the Turkish group I sent a screenshot showing the docs.ubports.com page with  Turkish link. It does not function yet because there is no translation
 @milkor73, Ubuntu flashed nexuses
 Nobody added our system translate
 İn updates
 [Edit] With updates
 @archi_dagac, Sorry, I do not understand now
 There have been mistakes in adding several languages. Dalton explained that he made errors
 It is unfortunate that in Turkey there is restricted access to phones. Unfortunate but not a conspiracy by UBports
 @milkor73, We translated the system and apps to Turkish, not added to ut
 @archi_dagac, At the moment there are just supported some devices, that may change with Haluim or if anybody else would be capable to port to any other device
 We know how we can buy nexus 5
 But why?
 @archi_dagac, We apologise for the error. Not only Turkish was affected
 More devices necessary
 I have the utmost confidence in @Stereofont the admin/development/management teams in general and the community at large. I cannot believe allegations of racism, not unless they can be shared here in the form of translated evidence. Please respect the teams as they and we) provide you the same courtesy.
 *(and we)
 @archi_dagac, Of course, that is true, we are working hard on it
 We say a lot of times we can work
 We have explained many times that porting is extremely difficult. It is done as projects by individuals who decide which device they like
 Those choices are quite random sometimes
 @Stereofont, ? Do we not know portings difficulty?
 You can choose your device and start by your own and come here and to documentation to look for specific problems you will find
 We say wileyfox swift
 Your request for help with Wileyfox was not clear
 There is a lot of wileyfox swift in Turkey.
 [Edit] You can choose your device and start by your own and come here ask and to documentation to look for specific problems you will find
 [Edit] There is a lot of wileyfox swift in Türkiye.
 There is server space for hosting completed ports
 We say we can build
[11:36] <ubptgbot> Mesut Çevik was added by: Mesut Çevik
[11:36] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> Gençler olay nedir?
 @gnutr
[11:37] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> Bize ulaştı
 Dünkü mesajlar var
 @Mesut Çevik, Hello Mesut.Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 If is not clear how compiling would help
[11:37] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> Buradan
 [Edit] It is not clear how compiling would help
 Siz kim?
 @Mesut Çevik, Pls English gentleman
[11:37] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> Forumda gördüm bende
[11:38] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> Yazı yazmayı düşünüyorum bloguma
 Yazınız
 So again. If you allege racism please explain what you mean
 Stop flooding
 Bizim arkadaş şu an yazıyor bişiler gruba yazacak
[11:38] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> @malditobastardo, Guys , that's not flood
 @Mesut Çevik, Siz kim?
 That is important
 Çıkaramadım kimsiniz
 You are disappointed with slow progress. Fair enough. That is not a racism matter
[11:39] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> @archi_dagac, Tabiki yazsın , bu konu hakkında haber yapmayı düşünüyorum.
 OK, we do not understand
 Heard ever off privat Chanel
 @archi_dagac, Then respect the other 1300ppl here.
 Pardon, tanıyamadım bir an sizi
 May we move to other group?
 Yes, slow progress would affect all nationalities, creedsand languages, not just Turks.
 Bizim gruba gelin
 *creeds and
 Yes, feel free to go to the lab to talk in your language though! We just try to keep the supergroup free from longer conversations the majority of people don't understand https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhGOmNABsfHPyYFGVQ
 I don't care about this discussion. Move out to a private channel
 please, that sounds too harsh
 Me neither, bye
 @malditobastardo, Maintain the group decorum. We are here as a community
 ^this
 [Edit] Pardon, tanıyamadım bir an sizi bir an
 @greatgods, +1
 @Mesut Çevik, Use english im Turk but here is international group.
 La bi go sen
 @sealofnova, bence sen bi sus
 @bsgri, @mariogrip
 kafadan sorunlarin var hala
 @Mesut Çevik, Hangi forumda gördünüz, nerede duyuldu ki?  … Eng: What forum..
 please consider moving to https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhGOmNABsfHPyYFGVQ
 @bsgri, Is there any admin here?
 orkun senin ....
 @sealofnova s name is orkun
 @archi_dagac, congratulations
 tek amacı ota boka muhalif olmak
 [Edit] tek amacın ota boka muhalif olmak
 The idea is to understand each other
[12:00] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> Orkun bey yaptığınız habercilik yasalarına aykırı ki burada bir ırk ayrımı söz konusu.
 @Mesut Çevik, Pm to me
 @Mesut Çevik, Use @ubports tr
 orkunu dikkate alma bosa zaman oldurmus olursun
 @sealofnova, deleted
 @Mesut Çevik, [Edit] Use @ubportstr
 Please stop insulting users with swearwords. Immediately
 @Mesut Çevik, Özelden birşeyler yazdım, bakabilir misiniz?
[12:09] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> We make news about that , all world see ...
[12:11] <ubptgbot> <Mesut Çevik> And probably we will make live stream in channel. Everyone will need see real side's...
 I ask again. You have alleged racism. Please explain why you believe that to be the case
 He is in press
 You should some think what do you do and why happened all everything.
 @archi_dagac, I dont care him
 Guys accusing someone or some group for racism is not fair! If you really feel that you felt uncomfortable at some point you are free to express yourself! If you have a point let it handle according to code of conduct!
 I said its your fault. U did'nt manage group.
 We open the UBportsTR again!
 Which group are you talking about? I didn't see anything of racism in this group!
 [Edit] We opened the UBportsTR again!
 @technicalbird, A private group
 Which private group? How does the private group related to ubports?
 Main main main group
 They know
 You mean the group which was present before the super group existed?
 No
 Small, like manager's group
 [Edit] Small, like managers's group
 Can you pass me the link to that group?
 Same
 Same
 What?
 What in the world are you talking about?
 UBportsTR
 If you guys can't talk in English, please DON'T consider entering English supergroups. You obviously would be trolled by people if you continue this kind of conduct..
 Fwd from milkor73: We all like Ubuntu Touch OS, that should help us as a first point to find solution
 Fwd from Stereofont: Welcome. It is open
 Fwd from milkor73: The OS is free open source code
 Fwd from milkor73: anybody can share and develop by his own way or following Ubports effort
 Fwd from Stereofont: We are a small organisation and we make slow progress.  Everyone gets frustrated by that. I do not understand how that got twisted into an idea that slow progress is a conspiracy against a group of users?
 write here @Stereofont
 you are dont want
 everyone see this ubports
 @archi_dagac please don't forward so many messages in SG, only selected ones, if you insist
 zust importants
 maybe some miss
 but
 necessary
 Learn to write in a sentence 😞
 Just importants, maybe some missing bu these are necessary.
 [Edit] Just importants, maybe some missing but these are necessary.
 Fwd from ranboyaka: Guys
 Fwd from ranboyaka: In turkeys group
 Fwd from ranboyaka: Many people want try ubports
 Fwd from ranboyaka: But that not possible for them
 Fwd from archi_dagac: And we say we can work
 Fwd from archi_dagac: you say, buy our phones
 Stop forwarding discussions here
 okay
 Continued spam will result in a ban from this super group
 If you want Ubuntu Touch on a new device, try porting it. On the halium docs and group you will get a lot of help with that.
 It is impossible to follow, and isn't helping your case
 The point of using Lab was to have a calm side discussion. You have made that useless now
 There is no racism here. It will not be tolerated. If there are such allegations please explain fully and concisely in a private chat with evidence.
 However, difficulty in acquiring or porting devices has nothing to do with race. If you seem to blame someone for that in Turkey, blame Erdogan.
 Your government sets import laws, not us.
 Ulan adama bak siyasete döküyolar hala.
 No government problem
 Stop dude. Enough is enough
 For UBports or nexus
 And please only speak in English in this group.
 @dohbee, hmm, we are starting politics now . its bad
 You say buy nexus when we will try porting
 no, i do not
 and no, the community as a whole does not
 And last happenings are because of nationalism
 @bsgri, This is not politics, it is fact. Your government makes the laws about what can be imported and what the taxes are for doing so. It has nothing to do with anyone else but the Turkish government. We don't make the laws of Turkey in here.
 and so we split the our group from ubports
 what nationalism?
 @dohbee, nexus is not very expensive
 If Nexus is not expensive, then what exactly is the problem here?
[13:09] <ubptgbot> ranboyaka was added by: ranboyaka
 Not any Nexus in turkey !!!!
 @dohbee, our friend writing a text about this in Türkçe and English
 @ranboyaka, just used.
 Google Send Only Android One Phone with Snapdragon
 [Edit] Not any new Nexus in turkey !!!!
 Manufacturers do not sell nexus 5 in Turkey
 not our problem
 Used Nexus 5 is what everyone buys. There are no new available as far as I know
 İn new announced days, we can only buy used
[13:12] <ubptgbot> nukleer was added by: nukleer
 or not used but someone bought from abroad and selling
 Hi UBports Turkey.  I"m sad to see the upset conversations but I totally understand.  A long time ago we started to try to help get Turkish on the main ubports website but it wasn't as easy as we thought because we were all learning Odoo. The system on the website.
 Then there were some problems also in the technology at docs.ubports.com  But that was *thankfully* fixed yesterday
 Nor is this Ubports problem either. It just is how it is. Not all countries can access all possible phones
 Plus, we were starting to talk about how UBports can maybe help the Turkish group with server help and other ways to help porting.
 But now it seems like Celti and many Turkish people are  unhappy and doesn't like us.  This is sad becasue we are all volunteers and working hard to make this successful in every country.
 please nobody delete anymessage
 So @cel
 now and future
 If I can help, I'm still here and we can keep chatting about it but let's not make this awesome SG so messy
 On the point of porting, we simply cannot 'just port' something.  There is a really, really big process and the Halium group is mainly working on porting.  If there is a specific need (not demand) we can continue to discuss those for sure (obviously)
 So, @archi_dagac is there some solution you have? Let's not keep complaining about past misunderstandings, and instead try to obtain a solution.
 Turks are certainly welcome in this community, but they will be required to follow the Code of Conduct, and be respectful and considerate to everyone else, just as everyone else will be required to.
 of course.
 any swearing or non-code-of-conduct- messages can and will be deleted
 so if they are ugly don't post them here
 (insulting - to be precise)
 @dohbee, +1
 I thought we were *just* about to start making progress for the Turkish language and this was sad start to my day, however, I feel like now (right now) the conversation is becoming healthy again
 There are plenty of phones we can't get or fully use in the US too. This is not a problem specific to individual countries, but all are affected by import and radio regulations in some way.
 @dohbee, Totally agree
 @deleteus
 please come here
 he know everything this ubports mess
 [Edit] he know everything about this ubports mess
 yesterday, something happened
 I read ~400 messages of backlog upon waking up, and I still don't really understand anything.
 when he come
 I hope he write understandable
 @archi_dagac, When it was suggested to him yesterday that he organise Turkish translation of docs.ubports.com he became angry and left without discussion. We understood that he was Turkish language lead and had volunteered for that. We want to get as much translated to Turkish as possible
 To summarize, we are here to help you guys.  When we do our hard work on apps, audiocasts, development, etc, we are not doing it for ourselves.  It is our dream that UBports will be on every phone: including all phones in Turkey.  It's also our dream that everything we do will be in Turkish language.  Trust me, this is our dre
[13:25] <ubptgbot> am.  However, the structure of our community has taken much longer than we hoped to establish but it's very, very good now.
 Also, @Flohack made some technical error, accidentally, which stopped Turkish language and then fixed it just minutes later.
 @wayneoutthere, We try help for dream, but a lot of in this group stopped we
 Also, my good friend is Turkish (here in Canada) and he is always frustrated with our slow Canadian speed.  I fully agree and understand him.  We are slow.  However, we can't fix the 'culture' quickly but the best way is improve communication.  I think the communication is now 90% fixed wtih the work of UBAM and others.
[13:28] <ubptgbot> deleteus was added by: deleteus
 nobody consider we
 Briefly
 heh
 @archi_dagac, That comment is not based on truth.  Let's focus on solutions.
 he came
 We stopped Ubports Turkish
 You can find other captains.
 so, do all Turkish people wish to leave UBports or are there some who would like to move into the future with a plan?
 @deleteus, i dont agree with you7
 @deleteus, [Edit] i dont agree with you
 This is not helpful. Please explain the exact problem which lead to this outcome, and please help us to a solution.
 exactly.  let's discuss possible solutions and figure out what went wrong (last night) ;)
 Continual complaining about what's already happened isn't helpful, especially when none of us know what happened. We just want to help come to a solution which benefits everyone
 @wayneoutthere, I had a lot of beers, but I'm pretty sure I didn't have that many.
 (Audio, 7s)https://irc.ubports.com/HWPHVVFk.null
 We want to be a free and open community and everyone absolutely has the right to leave for whatever reason, but we want to prevent cases where people leave just because of misunderstandings
 THAT'S NOT MISUNDERSTANDING
 You used us like sheep
 @ranboyaka, what did you produce where you were used?
 @peternerlich, let them go
 @ranboyaka, What is not? There have been a lot of accusations and such being flung around in here, but no actual explanation.
 It sounds to me like some were incited to outrage for no other reason than to be outraged.
 @sealofnova, Peter is right. If there are language or cultural misunderstandings we must try to solve them
 @ranboyaka, That's what I mean, we have a different position on this and are frightened what makes you say that. What did we promise or imply to you that we didn't keep? We want to understand and apologize properly if we see there was really something
 Nobody used anyone here. We're all (hopefully) rational beings who can be respectful and make decisions for ourselves.
 @dohbee, They did not use you. You're right.
 If someone wants to explain to me exactly what happened, in PM. Feel free to do so, and I will try to help resolve the situation.
 We also consist of many individuals rather that a body of people with one boss, so different goals and plans are naturally there. It might very well be that individual conversations result in expections to the whole that the rest doesn't know about
 @dohbee, No PM
 But don't come in here making vague accusations and trying to stir the pot simply because you are outraged and don't know why
 Explain in 1.3K users!
 @archi_dagac
 If you're going to be disrespectful and inconsiderate to the 1300 users in here, I will just as happily ask that you be banned, as anyone who would promote racism in this community.
 I cannot do anything
 @peternerlich, This does very much sound like some internal conflict of the TR group
 You can watch in YouTube
 I do like watching YouTube.
 @ranboyaka, You only do what you choose to do.
 [Edit] You can watch in YouTub this night.
 @ranboyaka, You are upset about something that was said in the Q&A?
 Can you specify the timestamp from the stream?
 He @ celti, they werebt in the q&a so my assumption is that theyre doing a live stream, or recording the drama
 If nobody can explain, then this will go nowhere. But from what I can see, that seems to be the goal here
 That newsman
 Fwd from : We make news about that , all world see ...
 Fwd from : And probably we will make live stream in channel. Everyone will need see real side's...
 Anews
 What newsman?
 That is a threat
 Point me to something that will tell me exactly what happened, and in English, so that I may understand it.
 Guys Enough!
 The subject is over.
 we still don't understand though
 No. I think it's enough. Subject ended
 @deleteus, Then speak no more, because you clearly don't want to help resolve it. If you've chosen to leave and do not wish to discuss it, there's nothing we can do to help you at that point, so you might as well just leave. Please stop telling everyone else to not discuss it though. You are not the arbiter of when subjects may
[13:57] <ubptgbot>  or may not be discussed here.
 let's let it die for now, shall we?  They seem fine to let it die so let's take a rest
 Ok so message from the UBports Foundation, which I am heading also: Any more spamming in this group and we will heavily moderate
 That means, people will be kicked w/o notice
 We can continue speculating about what happened. But empirically, asking isn't helping.
 Thanks for understanding.
 Good evening.
 :-)
 My impression is that the nature of ubports has been misunderstood.
 [Edit] Message from the UBports Foundation: Any more spamming in languages other than English will lead to moderation of your account!
 Yes, and there is no interest in clearing that up
 @alan_griffiths, The nature of ubuntu on phones has been well misunderstood for the past 5 years :)
 @dohbee, True
 @dohbee, I suspect this might have some hidden meaning which only canonical guys can understand!
 @technicalbird, No, just end users somehow created different expectations of what ubuntu on phones would be, separate from what we ever said it would be, or made it to be
 I just changed from Canonical to UBports on N4 and it is just amazing! I really like it! Thanks for your work!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/PbV51EzV.webp
 hey!  great to hear!  that's some sunshine after some rain!
 @wayneoutthere, +1
 @wayneoutthere, When did you become Frankie Beverley?
 ugh https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/446
 @dohbee, You've seen this before?
 yes, golang is awful
 i'm a little surprised that it would have built though, considering that should have caused golang compiler to give an error, and tests should have crashed too
 @UBports_TR
 haha. thanks Viper
 No problem
 i was going to do it a little more offiically but that works :)
 WELCOME TO.... the OFFICIAL OFFICIAL TURKISH LANGUAGE GROUP!! … @UBports_TR
 there! official
 let's maintain a place for those who still want to be part of our project
 @UBportsTR?
 @archi_dagac, it is not official. but it says that it is
 This is our
 Found november 20
 [Edit] Found november 20 2017
 yes but we all got bootted out
 so it's unofficial
 it need to run through Foundation process.
 İt is official yesterday, now not
 @wayneoutthere, You can make ubports to Android One Second Gen Snapdragon Device?
 What does 'you' mean? In a community there is not 'you' and 'they'. There is 'us'
 @ranboyaka, The group is not neccessarily about that. But if there are people who want to work on this, yes, it will be.
 @Stereofont, This.
 @dohbee, yeah i still need to look into that for a proper fix. 😞 Looks like someone disabled cgocheck in the last build http://ci.ubports.com/blue/rest/organizations/jenkins/pipelines/ubuntu-push/branches/xenial/runs/2/nodes/24/steps/40/log/?start=0 hence it passed
 @archi_dagac, well the group was removed without discussion with rest of UBports so it's now restarted with current process and anyone interested in UBports in Turkish language Turkey is welcome to join.
 @ranboyaka, If you have the skills to port, or can learn them, you are more than welcome to port to new devices, and you will have the help of the ubports and halium communities
 @DanChapman, The code looks OK, AFAICT. I think maybe this is due to the xenial ubports stuff just being in a very weird state right now, and there being some ABI/API compat issues with various things, specifically ubuntu-app-launch in this case
 @dohbee, Ah ok. I was wondering if it was because of the stricter c pointer rules that came in 1.6 https://github.com/golang/go/issues/12416
 @DanChapman, Yes, but this was working OK AFAIK in 16.04 builds last year when Canonical dropped the projects. And the code, nor 16.04 have really changed since then, I don't think.
 👍 ok thanks for the pointers 😊
 Can you please present Lubuntu Press for Nokia 9210i on the 1.April? That would be funny. I would photoshop the picture with the device
 @Mappaschreck, That should be something you talk to Lubuntu community about I guess
 It is a suggestion for a trick on the 1. April; Lubuntu, because the device is old and Press, because it has no touchscreen, only buttons
 @Mappaschreck, ahahahah
 @Mappaschreck, +1 It would be funny 😆
 @DanChapman, oh, hmm. it crashes in my "upstream" u8 install too, wonder when it broke.
 I cannot find my OnePlus One with Ubuntu Touch in fastboot or lsusb, I've tried two computers and multiple cables now. What can I do to fix this?
 @Georgecloon, Is it grabbed by something else maybe? A photos application seeing it as a media source?
 @Stereofont, Not in fastboot it wouldn't
 @Georgecloon, What mode is the phone actually in? Is it at bootloader, in recovery, or booted into the OS?
 My PC can't find it when it's in fastboot mode and when booted 'normally' in Ubuntu Touch
 Neither using fastboot nor lsusb
 Wobbly micro usb port? Has been known with OPO. Gentle sideways pressure to complete the contact. I do mean gentle
 You mean wiggling the cable a bit?
 @Georgecloon, Does the phone switch to charging state when plugged in to USB?
 @dohbee, Yes it does
 Quite odd indeed. does sound like a connection issue with the data pins
 Other ideas: Has it worked before or is your first time trying? Do you have all the adb things in your PC? Which OS is running in your PC? With kind of privilege are you running the commands (user or root)?
 @Mappaschreck, https://t.me/joinchat/BapcuBIvHm45GTzAxLDaWg
 @Mappaschreck, [Edit] Here is a Lubuntu community:https://t.me/joinchat/BapcuBIvHm45GTzAxLDaWg
 @Mappaschreck, [Edit] Here it is a Lubuntu community:https://t.me/joinchat/BapcuBIvHm45GTzAxLDaWg
 @advocatux, This is the first time I've tried with this phone. I have the 'adb' and 'fastboot' packages installed. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS which is pretty vanilla and I am running the commands as a regular user.
 @advocatux, Well, it had to work at least once to be able to install ubports on it, i guess?
 @Georgecloon, does anything show up at the end of `dmesg` output when you plug it in?
 At the end specifically?
 @dohbee, When he said "I cannot find my OnePlus One with Ubuntu Touch" I assumed it has the "old" UT installed, not UBports
 @advocatux, I meant UBports' UT
 @advocatux, opo has only ever been supported by ubports
 there was never any official image from canonical for it
 TIL. Thank you for the info 👍
 @Georgecloon, yes, like `dmesg | tail -20` you should see something about new usb device, immediately after you plugged the phone in
 if nothing appears in dmesg, then even the kernel is not seeing that anything has been plugged in
 Here's the output of that: [ 3101.227281] usb 5-2: new full-speed USB device number 18 using uhci_hcd … [ 3101.359284] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3101.599294] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3101.827306] usb 5-2: new full-speed USB device number 19 using uhci_hcd … [ 3101.959312] usb 5-2:
[15:51] <ubptgbot>  device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3102.195326] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3102.423338] usb 5-2: new full-speed USB device number 20 using uhci_hcd … [ 3102.839352] usb 5-2: device not accepting address 20, error -71 … [ 3102.959357] usb 5-2: new full-speed USB device number 21 using uhci_hcd … [ 3103.375392] usb 5-2:
[15:51] <ubptgbot> device not accepting address 21, error -71 … [ 3103.375428] usb usb5-port2: unable to enumerate USB device … [ 3336.574259] usb 5-2: new full-speed USB device number 22 using uhci_hcd … [ 3336.706264] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3336.946276] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3337.174288] usb 5-2: new full-speed
[15:51] <ubptgbot>  USB device number 23 using uhci_hcd … [ 3337.306294] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3337.542307] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 … [ 3337.770326] usb 5-2: new full-speed USB device number 24 using uhci_hcd … [ 3338.186334] usb 5-2: device not accepting address 24, error -71 … [ 3338.306350] usb 5-2: new full-speed
[15:51] <ubptgbot> USB device number 25 using uhci_hcd
 if something does appear in dmesg, it should make it more clear what is going wrong
 could be missing udev rules for example
 sounds bad :(
 nah the errors show smth is going wrong
 please pastebin such logs in future
 yeah, there is definitely a hardware problem there
 Either cable or port
 Sorry, didn't expect it to be that large
 The phone's port?
 the kernel can't negotiate with the device to establish the connection, so it just keeps retrying and flooding the log
 Phone or PC. But if you tried a different PC already...
 @Georgecloon, it is almost certainly the phone's port, if you've tried many cables and multiple PCs
 wiggling the phone end might make it work, or just make it worse
 Oh 😬
 [Edit] Here's the output of that: https://pastebin.com/NfLKpT3b
 I'll have someone I know take a look at it, they have a lot more knowledge about hardware stuff than I do
 Thanks for the help, by the way
 One user here had it soldered and that was successful I think. As always, heatsink or soldering can do a lot of harm
 @dohbee, I found this. As an expert that makes sense to you? It seems the problem is with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND … https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/usb-error-usb-2-4-device-descriptor-read-64-error-71-a-643022/
 On second thought, probably is a hardware problem
 @wayneoutthere, hi, Could you add our channel @UBportsTR as Unofficial, to website, under the @UBports_TR ?
 @wayneoutthere, [Edit] hi, Could you add our channel @UBportsTR as Unofficial, to website, under the official @UBports_TR ?
 people can access our old ubportsTR group from this channel
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/DyfrxJvq.png
 ar welocomepage
 [Edit] or welcome page
 @archi_dagac, Can they? That's just the channel for me, not the old group
 group link in the channel
 hello! could someone share again the link for the right slim-port to buy for convergence, please.. i would like to be sure. thanks
 where is that anyway? I think the link was revoked and all of us that were in were kicked
 peki
 @archi_dagac, ah, ha. I cannot read apparently 😅
 @GNUTR old group
 maybe news can some look at the old group. Because new group is empty
 gnutr is not a ubports channel though. Seems it is generic gnu/linux chat
 alright.. i think i found  it.. a Delock ...
 just name changed
 you can see old name and mesagges
 we are not official, because we changed name
 and we used an official name for channel @UBportsTR
 there are only 4 people in it. i think @UBports_TR is more appropriate as the official channel, as it follows the governance requirements as @wayneoutthere said earlier
 it also follows the naming convention for official channels
 please tell the 4 people in @ubportstr to join @ubports_tr instead, and forward/delete the channel
 @andreasimonetti, for Nexus 4/5? or some other device?
 n5
 @dohbee, no chance
 channel is not for use
 channel has @gnutr
 İt is old group
 channel is just for name
 @andreasimonetti, The official Slimport adapter from Google, but generally anything that's "Slimport" for microUSB should work. Slimport is the standard
 @dohbee, not possible
 it certainly is possible. channels which do not meet the official channel requirements, are not official channels. it is that simple.
 @dohbee, thanks!
 (Sticker, 507x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hYpRV4iu.webp
 oops sorry
 @dohbee, I mean it is not possible to delete channel or anything else
 channel including old group
 @bsgri, It is certainly possible to tell people to join the official channel instead, and pin a message saying what the actual official channel is. Even if telegram won't  let you delete a channel
 You got me wrong. I am the founder and I am not thinking of doing anything. … The channel belongs to @GNUTR
 @bsgri, but why is it named `UBports Ubuntu Touch Türkiye Official channel.`if it's not?
 @bsgri, [Edit] but why is it named `UBports Ubuntu Touch Türkiye Official channel.` if it's not?
 @bsgri, Nobody is saying that you must delete anything. Just that those have no connection with UBports Foundation
 @bsgri, I am simply asking that the right thing be done here.
 @peternerlich, talk to @archi_dagac
 Quick question. I am on 16.04 on the M10. Latest OpenStore and Signal updates won't install. Instagraph one did. … Is this a 16.04 issue? … I don't see a bug but don't know if it is appropriate to file one.
 Rispondi a brevi sondaggi e guadagna. Scarica subito Google Opinion Rewards alla pagina https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.paidtasks
 Errore Sorry
 😢
 Anyone here use Ubuntu for pc desktop?
 yes
 on all my PC
 I bet many others do it to
 @DiogoConstantino, +1
 @Stereofont, +1
 for now yes
 atm yes
 @dohbee, Thx for your help today
 @milkor73, didn't seem to really help, but i try. :)
 Debian testing : )
 Never used something else on PC
 Sorry, I poke of GNU/Linux
 @Flohack
 When will the weblate translations be transferred?
 @deleteus, Theoretically this is automatic. But we found issues with the build process. Dalton is investigating
 All the languages were outdated, not only turkish
 Normally Weblate merges every Sunday morning. So latest next week we are live, but I can do it manually if a bigger commit is pending
[20:57] <ubptgbot> BenutzernamemanreztuneB was added by: BenutzernamemanreztuneB
 @BenutzernamemanreztuneB, Welcome!
 Thank you!
 hi to all. We need admin privileges in turkish group. At least two Turkish speakers need to be admin in the group. it is necessary to discuss this issue. i give you one day. otherwise turkish support ends. We don't have enough time to wait for it.  we really want to do this job.
 I believe that you are discussing this issue in another group at the moment.
 we don't want anything more than you.
 @UniversalSuperBox, you only have 1 day.
 I suggest you be patient and explain your side through the correct channels rather than trying to threaten me.
 @sealofnova, This is not how a welcoming community functions. You don't get to rudely issue ultimatums.
 I do not threaten I just do not have time to wait otherwise I say we will stop this job.
 The requirements for how language teams work is set by ubports community, with discussions involving all language teams
 @sealofnova I strongly recomment you read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct at this point
 There is nothing you will accomplish more tomorrow with such a demand, than you canno
 [Edit] There is nothing you will accomplish more tomorrow with such a demand, than you would otherwise
 we do not want to wait. we want to start the translation and reborn the group.
 the team is ready and waiting for you.
 translation team*
 @sealofnova you don't neet admin rights on the group for that
 Then do it. You don't need 2 channel admins to do that
 @DiogoConstantino, we need this for authority.
 no you don't
 Not really
 this is not the army
 you need trust, kindness and leadership
 😐
 each group needs a manager
 an administrator who understands them.
 we have language captains for that
 Telegram groups have been hijacked already, understand that admin rights are delicate
 and if he needs help UBAM will allways be there to help
 Exactly
 (Photo, 766x376) https://irc.ubports.com/lIdC0QZZ.png
 Its live. Whatever.
 we have no connection with this channel.
 yes we started.
 Just to show you that it works
 @sealofnova, the answer right now is no. If you'd like to revisit, we'll need to see significant contribution and reliability before we offer administrative rights to any service to any effect to anyone. You could say that we've learned our lesson today.
 I'm discussing this with my friend.
 Basically 3 months minimum
 @Flohack, 3 months
 3
 this is unacceptable
 The foundation is all about building a sustainable project. We dont want people run away after some time
 Then you are free to leave now. You demand things that are out of your reach.
 It is perfectly acceptable to reasonable people. You are being unreasonable
 I just want admin privileges for the group authority.
 It should not be that hard.
 You can't have them right now, and you don't need them, or authority
 Indeed. The answer is no, asking again will not help your case. If this is unacceptable to you, we are not able to reach a conclusion at this point.
 So why ? when can we get these rights?
 You were told
 The answer is 12 messages above my last one
 @UniversalSuperBox, give us the exact date.
 I cannot give you the exact date, trust is not an exact science.
 Show that you are trustworthy by proving reliable contribution and engaging with the community in a healthy way (which you are not currently)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Unfortunately, we feel ourselves restricted in this way. Give us that guarantee.
 I cannot.
 Y'all need to free your minds then
 Guys, we are looking into this as UBAM right now. We'll see what we could settle on by tomorrow.
 You're not asking to contribute. You're asking to control.
 we do not want to leave this job. we do not want anything bad, super admin authority is already in your hands. we just want only admin rights for community health.
 This discussion cannot continue in this group as it is happening in another and should not be fragmented.
 @peternerlich, is this a public group ? any link possible ?
 @lduboeuf, No, this is a "private" discussion of the Community Steering Committee (as private as it can be in an Open Source community) … https://ubam.github.io/
 @dohbee, I strongly oppose that.
 (Photo, 634x307) https://irc.ubports.com/OSmelS27.png @sealofnova
 @sealofnova, I give you this one and only warning, I will kick you if you dont stop to pressure us
 @Flohack, it is sad to hear it. this last sentence
 You leave me no other way
 Woah... heavy situation to walk into :(
 Please let's keep the peace and stay civil to one another.
[23:47] <ubptgbot> M A was added by: M A
[23:47] <ubptgbot> <M A> can i flash ubuntu touch on my samsung galaxy a7 2017 ?
 no
 and welcome
 the list of supported devices is here: https://devices.ubports.com/#/
[23:51] <ubptgbot> <M A> thanks
 Terminate
 @TartanSpartan, Uh?
 Hahahah, sorry bro! I switched to WebTelegram for a while and it autocorrected and sent a draft message I had referring to the terminal/CLI. Nothing sinister meant, maybe a big of total unintentinal black comedy due to user error, considering today's startling events? :P
 *unintentional