[00:39] <Donnut> Could someone tell me what the difference is between Ubuntu Unity and Gnome desktop environment is?
[21:31] <jbicha> robert_ancell: hi, are you going to work on the gnome-software 3.27.90 update for bionic?
[21:43] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I'm not sure if we're switching to 3.28 or staying on 3.26. Was waiting for kenvandine[m][m] to decide.
[21:44] <jbicha> have you been using the new version yet?
[21:44] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I've been developing against master
[21:45] <jbicha> what are + and - of the new version?
[21:46] <robert_ancell> Not sure, haven't really been involved in the version discussions.
[21:48] <robert_ancell> But I'm happy to do the update
[21:51] <jbicha> if you have time, it might be useful to try it out in a PPA
[21:52] <jbicha> I just packaged the update for Debian experimental
[22:07] <fossfreedom_> jbicha, just threw a PR at budgie-desktop to adapt to the latest gnome-settings-daemon that's in the staging PPA. From the comments on the issue you raised Ikey may not be in a hurry to merge until 3.28 goes stable.
[22:07] <fossfreedom_> if you want we can patch this in sooner rather than later.  let me know.
[22:09] <jbicha> sorry, I didn't ping you yet that it was in the PPA
[22:10] <fossfreedom_> no worries - I was browsing and I noticed you had pushed it in. So was playing.
[22:10] <jbicha> there will be another mutter soname bump
[22:10] <jbicha> I hope it will land and there will be a tarball release really soon
[22:11] <jbicha> it's really bad that mutter & gnome-shell haven't released a tarball since October
[22:12] <fossfreedom_> I haven't been keeping track with mutter development - any NEWS links or similar that summarised what's in for 3.28?
[22:13] <jbicha> mutter is related because I don't think it makes sense to update gnome-settings-daemon without mutter (my understanding is that the dropped g-s-d plugin was implemented in mutter)
[22:14] <jbicha> there isn't much of a NEWS file yet since they haven't been doing releases! :(
[22:16] <jbicha> maybe it's a Red Hat conspiracy so that Ubuntu won't get the latest GNOME before Fedora 😉
[22:16] <fossfreedom_> hehe
[22:17] <jbicha> like last week, gnome-settings-daemon 3.27.90 was released
[22:18] <jbicha> but it wasn't buildable. Once you cherry-picked the fix for that, you'd be left wondering why GNOME won't start after rebooting
[22:18] <jbicha> you need another cherry-picked patch to fix that
[22:18] <jbicha> a distro developer complained about that on Friday and was told the g-s-d maintainers were too busy fixing bugs to make releases
[22:19] <fossfreedom_> hmm - time pressures I imagine - trying to make the release date
[22:20] <jbicha> cynically, it looks like the g-s-d maintainer is wasting the time of other distros though…
[22:22] <jbicha> on the other hand, the guy doing releases isn't supposed to be doing releases as he turned over responsibility to someone else (who got a different job or something)
[22:22] <jbicha> and Red Hat is hiring someone to basically be the gnome-control-center maintainer instead
[22:23] <fossfreedom_> sounds like very good news.  They seem to have deep pockets at the moment.