[00:39] Could someone tell me what the difference is between Ubuntu Unity and Gnome desktop environment is? === ulysses_ is now known as ulysses === user8394 is now known as user8393 === user8394 is now known as user8393 === user8394 is now known as user8393 === user8394 is now known as user8393 === user8394 is now known as user8393 [21:31] robert_ancell: hi, are you going to work on the gnome-software 3.27.90 update for bionic? [21:43] jbicha, I'm not sure if we're switching to 3.28 or staying on 3.26. Was waiting for kenvandine[m][m] to decide. [21:44] have you been using the new version yet? [21:44] jbicha, I've been developing against master [21:45] what are + and - of the new version? [21:46] Not sure, haven't really been involved in the version discussions. [21:48] But I'm happy to do the update [21:51] if you have time, it might be useful to try it out in a PPA [21:52] I just packaged the update for Debian experimental [22:07] jbicha, just threw a PR at budgie-desktop to adapt to the latest gnome-settings-daemon that's in the staging PPA. From the comments on the issue you raised Ikey may not be in a hurry to merge until 3.28 goes stable. [22:07] if you want we can patch this in sooner rather than later. let me know. [22:09] sorry, I didn't ping you yet that it was in the PPA [22:10] no worries - I was browsing and I noticed you had pushed it in. So was playing. [22:10] there will be another mutter soname bump [22:10] I hope it will land and there will be a tarball release really soon [22:11] it's really bad that mutter & gnome-shell haven't released a tarball since October [22:12] I haven't been keeping track with mutter development - any NEWS links or similar that summarised what's in for 3.28? [22:13] mutter is related because I don't think it makes sense to update gnome-settings-daemon without mutter (my understanding is that the dropped g-s-d plugin was implemented in mutter) [22:14] there isn't much of a NEWS file yet since they haven't been doing releases! :( [22:16] maybe it's a Red Hat conspiracy so that Ubuntu won't get the latest GNOME before Fedora 😉 [22:16] hehe [22:17] like last week, gnome-settings-daemon 3.27.90 was released [22:18] but it wasn't buildable. Once you cherry-picked the fix for that, you'd be left wondering why GNOME won't start after rebooting [22:18] you need another cherry-picked patch to fix that [22:18] a distro developer complained about that on Friday and was told the g-s-d maintainers were too busy fixing bugs to make releases [22:19] hmm - time pressures I imagine - trying to make the release date [22:20] cynically, it looks like the g-s-d maintainer is wasting the time of other distros though… [22:22] on the other hand, the guy doing releases isn't supposed to be doing releases as he turned over responsibility to someone else (who got a different job or something) [22:22] and Red Hat is hiring someone to basically be the gnome-control-center maintainer instead [22:23] sounds like very good news. They seem to have deep pockets at the moment.