 so any possibility of setting up default shortcuts for the built in tiling of Kwin? … By default, there aren't any shortcuts for it at all. It would be really cool if there were and yes I have an idea for what to use. :)
 I think that would be amazing
 unfortunately, the most obvious ones (meta+ arrow keys) are currently bound to useless actions that nobody uses, and the KWin maintainer is very conservative about changing any shortcuts
 Kubuntu can do it to show how people would like it right? ESPECIALLY if the defaults are worthless
 yep
 Let's do it
 SWEET!
 Wanna file a thing?
 lol task or bug I assume task since Kubuntu specific
 +1
 a task; this will be Kubuntu-specific
 maybe later we can use this as leverage to change the default
 Sane defaults are a blessing from god
 they are indeed
 thought so. Will make one with my suggestions for sure :) … I use the tiling all the time and so many people have said how they like tiling and I'm like "Plasma can do it" and then I have to say "well ok here's the thing, you have to set the shortcuts yourself for no apparent reason" lol so this would be great :)
 me too
 I have had the exact same experience
 Plasma tilling is not actually what people call tilling
 If you think about i3 for instance
 it's good enough
 yea true it doesnt have automated tiling but meh close enough lol
 it's the same "tiling" that GNOME, XFCE, and Cinnamon have
 its way better than those :)
 if only we had https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325566
 I also mean the removal of the floating options
 But yes
 I use window rules for the automation aspects
 though that is certainly super specific to my workflow
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 is there a way to use the numpad number specifically and not just numbers? … for example Numpad_1 rather than just 1. Through my testing the answer is no but maybe I'm missing something
 for shortcuts I mean
 hmm, not sure
 thats not for this suggestion btw, just another thing I was contemplating
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 @tsimonq2: https://phabricator.kde.org/T8006
 @nggraham, Already got the email and already responded :)
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 dang you're fast
 :D
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[06:38] <blaze> eating squids… you're disgusting, people
[06:38] <tsimonq2> XD
[06:39] <blaze> you don't eat apes and dolphins because it's like cannibalism. don't eat squids then, they're smart too
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[10:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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[13:10] <pursuivant> libqapt (master) v3.0.3-2-ga0fb43b * Carlo Vanini:  (2 files)
[13:10] <pursuivant> Remove ReviewBoard config and add arcanist
[13:10] <pursuivant> Patch review has transitioned to Phabricator.
[13:10] <pursuivant> https://commits.kde.org/libqapt/a0fb43b546132182925f7a5cd7cbf4896e7ac5b8
 Good morning everyone!
 https://phabricator.kde.org/T8016
[15:07] <yofel> great, that would probably annoy the hell out of me as I have my panel on the left edge.
[15:07] <yofel> But without being able to detect whether the display is a touch screen or not that's a tricky one
 yes, it *does* annot the hell out of people who have their panels on the left edge, in fact
 right now it's on unconditionally, which is silly. Also, as I mentioned, it doesn't even work right in the first place, in addition to causing issues for unrelated components
[15:09] <yofel> what is the screen edge actually supposed to handle on touchscreens? Swiping gesture from outside the screen?
[15:11] <yofel> (I'm still on 5.8)
 What setting is this in systemsettings? (if there is one)
 System Settings > Desktop Behavior > Touch Screen
 by default, the left edge is enabled
 I will have to test. Why patch? does kwinrc not set this if you turn it off?
 @yofel, Yeah. But in my experience with several touchscreen laptops, it doesn't actually work that well; more than half of the swipes are missed
 if we ship with a ~/.config/kwinrc file by default, we can also set the following in it: … [TabBox] … TouchBorderActivate= … TouchBorderAlternativeActivate=
 updated the maniphest task
 that would be preferable if did make the change
 definitely
 if we already ship with a kwinrc file, that's a no-brainer. If we don't, I am pretty sure shipping with one that only has that in it won't break anything else
[15:23] <yofel> are those settings part of the file by default? If not, we'll also need a config update script for release upgrades
[15:24] <yofel> nvm, kconfig doesn't put defaults in the files, so we will need one
 no, by default the file does not exist but is created the first time you touch anything related to KWin
 [TabBox] … TouchBorderActivate=9 … TouchBorderAlternativeActivate=9
 @yofel, yeah
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 any help with this appreciated: https://phabricator.kde.org/T8018
[18:33] <blaze> acheronuk: artful or bionic?
 bionic for preference, but would Artful would not be unhelpful
 *but Artful would not
[21:23] <valorie> @nggraham -- have you touched base with the author of this? http://www.ocsmag.com/2018/02/16/plasma-the-road-to-perfection-is-paved-with-bugs/
[21:24] <valorie> Dedoimedo has been a very helpful critic in the past
 yes, I have
 In fact, I wrote an entire public reply too: https://pointieststick.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/plasma-5-perfection-call-for-development/
 posted 4 hours after his article went live :)
[21:29] <valorie> very cool
[21:29] <valorie> have you established a dialog with him?
 yes
[21:29] <valorie> awesome
[21:30] <valorie> because as you say, he's a bit behind the times
 I'm trying to recruit him to do QA and polish work internally, rather than posting these articles publicly
[21:30] <valorie> and so are many of our users
 he seems interested
[21:30] <valorie> great, because he has a following
[21:31] <valorie> he could help promote people to upgrade, update, and help squash buglets
[21:31] <valorie> nothing wrong with promo!
 What do you guys think about shipping the Kubuntu backports PPA by default, but disabled? That way our users who want to can get newer KDE software with one click in Discover
[21:31] <valorie> hmmm
[21:32] <valorie> I personally have always run backports ever since I heard about them
 just a thought
[21:32] <valorie> and never had any problems
[21:32] <valorie>  but we have had reported problems
 again, disabled by default. Just to make it easier to turn on without needing to use a terminal
[21:32] <valorie> rarely, but we
[21:32] <valorie> ve had them
[21:32] <valorie> I understand
[21:33] <valorie> my only caution is that if people ran into difficulties, then they have to know about ppa-purge
[21:33] <valorie> install that, and purge
[21:33] <valorie> which might be difficult via discover
[21:33] <valorie> because at worst, they won't have a gui
 yeah, Discover can't do that. And even if it could, not having a GUI would make it problematic :)
[21:35] <valorie> I've considered it, then have to tell a user how to purge and change my mind
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 Are we planning to ship with KDE Frameworks 5.44 or 5.43?
 I ask because 5.43 has a really bad user-visible regression that is probably going to be fixed with https://phabricator.kde.org/D10671, which will land in 5.44
 Probably, 5.44, but it will need a Feature freeze excemption
 ok
 thanks!
 we can also fix  that in 5.43 if it is backportable
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