[00:22] <ubptgbot> Black Fire was added by: Black Fire
 Hi @Stereofont why did you block me?
 @Black Fire, Hey, I think I know you from somewhere! :P
[00:23] <ubptgbot> <Black Fire> Im looking around for some good projects to get into :)
[00:24] <ubptgbot> <Black Fire> Rubbish at code but I can test all the things.
 @Stereofont I do not think we have any problems.
 @sealofnova, It's possible he doesn't want to talk to you. Don't spam him here.
 @Black Fire, Well, we have documentation for that! And a team! https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/quality-assurance.html
 Do you have a device that we support? Link to supported devices is in the group description
[00:28] <ubptgbot> <Black Fire> As both you and plasma have the nexus 5 im going to be picking one up soon. Can UBp be run in VM until then?
 There isn't an image for that, no. You can install Unity8 in a VM or on regular hardware, but it's not really the same experience
 @UniversalSuperBox, you are acting very hurtful.
[00:30] <ubptgbot> <Black Fire> @UniversalSuperBox, No problem im checking nexus 5 prices at the moment. Actually surprised how well they kept their value.
[01:03] <ubptgbot> <Black Fire> Actually is there a better recommended device?
 Well, the Oneplus One is a rather fun device. It's missing MTP at the moment
 @UniversalSuperBox, I agree
[01:36] <ubptgbot> christo161 was added by: christo161
 @UniversalSuperBox, The whole experience isn't exactly the same, but a whole lot of the bugs are the same ;)
 @dohbee, motivational paragraph about anyone being able to contribute to fix bugs
 heh
 hmm, one of the worst things about starting new projects, is having to create web sites
 I created a new website with wix.com
 @PhoenixLandPirate, These are pretty much the only ads I get
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Rhett and Link compell you, as does James Veitch 😆
 @Schyken, James Veitch ❤
[03:26] <ubptgbot> BPaiter was added by: BPaiter
 🖖
 Hi there! Can talk in Brazilian Portuguese? Or another group?
 Hi @BPaiter welcome!  Sure, you can find some portuguese folks in this list of languages as well as other important info.  Enjoy! … https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 (Photo, 802x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bjuS0nGC.png
 (Photo, 806x1279) https://irc.ubports.com/rY0wzJAt.png
 It's embarrassing!
[06:08] <ubptgbot> sealofnova was added by: sealofnova
 (Photo, 766x376) https://irc.ubports.com/sQG0at1k.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8cKWHSFp.mp4
 Why are you in such a hurry?
 @lungwitz, Why Lionelb ban him?
[06:40] <ubptgbot> omerfaruktemir was added by: omerfaruktemir
 Lionel why banned him?
 I have been there for a long time
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: This discussion cannot continue in this group as it is happening in another and should not be fragmented.
 I have seen everything
 And also, be consistent. Are you staying or leaving?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/TWstRVtR.png
 I am not Turkish
 I have seen everything
 Turks are right
 @omerfaruktemir, I can't say anything about that, but the way they are expressing themselves here is pretty hostile
 @lungwitz, Yeah surely
 @lungwitz, Lionel why banned him?
 @omerfaruktemir, I don't know.
 You all are being too exaggerated
 @omerfaruktemir, This is more hostile.
 @omerfaruktemir, I can't say that because I don't have the chat log between Viper and Lionel to say if Viper spammed him or what
 @omerfaruktemir, [Edit] I couldn't say that because I don't have the chat log between Viper and Lionel to say if Viper spammed him or what
 @lungwitz, Lionel banned everybody. We stopped support.
 @ranboyaka, You are not really saying anything. Just being childlish.
 I'm not say about viper.
 Be an adult and go through the correvt channels
 [Edit] Be an adult and go through the correct channels
 @deleteus, I speaking about him
 @lungwitz, Are you kidding with me ?
 I'm not turk
 @ranboyaka, Sounds like a whim
 But I have seen everything
 I can only give my view on what happened in this group. The only thing I saw here was Viper being insistent. It isn't clear exactly why they need the admin.
 This is from the Turkish group.
 Fwd from sealofnova: we do not think to start working until at least one Turkish admin. everyone says thats too weird.
 It really sounds unreasonable
 [Edit] This is from the Turkish group:
 Check Turkish in Weblate and Docs
 Old Captain worked hard.
 Now everything is garbage.
 Already only captain worked. The other members did nothing else.
 I agree
 So?
 I don't understand what anything of that has to do with being or not admins of a Telegram group
 It just doesn't make sense to be so adamant about it
 [Edit] It just doesn't make sense to be so catastrophic about it
 @lungwitz, Who are you talking about?
 To the Turkish people who are leaving the ship
 [Edit] The Turkish people who are leaving the ship
 @lungwitz, Lionel banned everybody. I leaved!
 @ranboyaka, Banned from where?
 @lungwitz, Telegram
 If he banned you privately, that's his problem
 @ranboyaka, From a group or privately?
 (Photo, 806x1279) https://irc.ubports.com/FH2shh4M.png
 (Photo, 802x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/VEl78DJe.png
 @deleteus, Look
 @lungwitz, 🤷🏼‍♂
 😠
 @ranboyaka, What the heck? He couldn't, he isn't even a group member, moretheless an admin with ban permissions
 @peternerlich, He's saying Lionel banned them personally, not in the group
 @lungwitz, There is no reason and no problem
 ah well
 @sealofnova, He must have his reasons
 @sealofnova, I don't know them. As I also don't know your reasons to be such a pain about it.
 but that just means he personally stopped contact with you as an individual, this has nothing to do with UBports then
 @peternerlich, Exactly
 @ranboyaka, I still agree
 @omerfaruktemir, So?! WHAT does that have to do with anything?
 I see no relation whatsoever
 [Edit] The Turkish people who are jumping ship
 The Turks had an intense interest, and it will not be anymore.
 @ranboyaka, well then, that's your decision
 But the captain had a lot of hardship.
 and the one of everyone individually, I hope
 You closed the largest source about Turkey's ubports. Congratulations!
 @ranboyaka, I didn't really follow until yesterday, but it is clear that the communication was more than not good
 there were a lot of misunderstandings lingering for too long
 there was the internal structure of the community still almost non existing
 But the captain gave a lot of effort!
 wayne recently estimated that since the creation of UBAM the situation improved by 90% already
 but before, it was super difficult to get a thought across if you didn't talk to the right person already
 (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/fSw4AScF.webp
 if the right one wasn't listening, it was as if no one said anything about it
 But captain has made many translations , live speaks (Turkish-English) and programmes
 I am proud that we managed to improve this by that amount in that little time, but we forgot who we left behind before
 @ranboyaka, yes, and we never noticed any of it
 @ranboyaka, I think you're not understanding a thing Peter is saying
 @lungwitz, Please explain
 Maybe it's the language barrier
 @ranboyaka, Nobody is saying you didn't contribute. He's saying that it's a communication problem.
 @lungwitz, And I think you don't understand Ran'' saying
 @omerfaruktemir, Yes, I understand. He basically says that they contributed and that Lionel blocked them. I really don't see a major problem to be so angry about.
 we had intended for the UBLangs group to be the brigde from language captains back to us, but there has been almost nothing going on there really about the individual language groups, not only Turkish
 @lungwitz, Then talk to the captain and solve the problem!
 Oi vey
 Who the hell is the captain?
 I don't care about any leaders. Contribution teams should be horizontal.
 @ranboyaka, I agreea
 @ranboyaka, I am not anybody, I never really contributed so I don't feel I can fix anything. … But why doesn't that "captain" of yours go and talk with whoever he needs to?
 I don't get what is the problem
 Fwd from deleteus: When will the weblate translations be transferred?
 Fwd from Flohack: Theoretically this is automatic. But we found issues with the build process. Dalton is investigating
 Fwd from Flohack: All the languages were outdated, not only turkish
 Fwd from Flohack: Normally Weblate merges every Sunday morning. So latest next week we are live, but I can do it manually if a bigger commit is pending
 What's the rush?
 They say they're working on it
 [Edit] They said they're working on it
 @lungwitz, Nobody understand what you're saying
 Maybe you don't understand
 @omerfaruktemir, You need to read better, then.
 Only captain working
 I insist this is purely a communication problem
 :D
 @omerfaruktemir, Who is that captain?
 @omerfaruktemir, what the heck, I do, and it sounds like logical reasoning to me
 Why isn't he hete talking and not you
 @peternerlich, +1
 @peternerlich, +1
 @peternerlich, Maybe they don't trally get well the language...
 @peternerlich, [Edit] Maybe they don't really get well the language...
 Dev4Perf is the captain,you still don't know?
 :D
 @omerfaruktemir, but the worst thing to do if you don't understand something is to turn hostile
 @omerfaruktemir, Actually, he resigned. UBAM will evaluate whether to accept him again or not.
 @omerfaruktemir You answer only what you choose to answer.
 @peternerlich, That acronym just kills me 😂
 What's the rush?
 They say they're working on merging your commits @omerfaruktemir
 Read the messages I forwarded
 PLEASE
 Make the effort
 @peternerlich, +1
 @lungwitz, From here
 or ask anything you don't understand
 @peternerlich, +1
 Is Dev4Perf hostile
 ?
 [Edit] Is Dev4Perf hostile?
 @omerfaruktemir, I don't know, but Viper is
 And you
 You don't read my messages, and it's getting a bit frustrating
 Only trying to help, and you're making it really hard
 About hostility or not, please refer to the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct
 which this group and every UBports group is supposed to be under
 though we need to work on that
 I think it's worthless. … There are two options I see. Weather they don't understand or they don't want to understand. In both cases I see nothing else I can do. Goodbye, it's 4AM here.
 https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
 @lungwitz, good night! yes, we'll see what happens when their ultimatum runs out
 🌃 😴
 Almost "good day" ha
 [Edit] Almost "good morning", ha
 @lungwitz, Yo can't say that to me
 🤦‍♂️
 @omerfaruktemir, You don't read my messages. That's hostile.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gPcZMmtd.mp4
 You are discussing inappropriately, its annoying and fruitless. a
 [Edit] You are discussing inappropriately, its annoying and fruitless.
 Next time I will hire a Turkish translator.
 [Edit] Next time I will hire a Turkish translator, so you understand me better
 @lungwitz, What are the authority you have?
 None
 It's called Sarcasm
 @lungwitz, [Edit] What are the authority you have in Ubports.
 @lungwitz, [Edit] What are the authority you have in Ubports?
 If you don't have authority don't mess with us  okay?
 What's the obsession with authority?
 @omerfaruktemir, And me
 @omerfaruktemir, What ? We want support ubports.
[08:55] <ubptgbot> deleteus was added by: deleteus
 I'm not hostile 😢
 Guys.. it's going nowhere! You all people discuss and come to a common conclusion.. and frame a formal mail and write it to ubports! Please do not discuss this in this group.. there are more than 1300 people here.. please resect them!
 @technicalbird, *respect
 [Edit] Guys.. it's going nowhere! You all people discuss and come to a common conclusion.. and frame a formal mail and write it to ubports! Please do not discuss this in this group.. there are more than 1300 people here.. please respect them!
 @greatgods, Thank corrected it!
 Lol
[09:10] <ubptgbot> Marc Michel was added by: Marc Michel
 Hello @deleteus, Marc and welcome!   … I'm not part of the UBports welcoming team yet, but the latest thread was quite boring and I thought welcoming you would be much more fun. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and to learn what not to
[09:12] <ubptgbot>  do, read some of the latest posts. … Thanks again for joining this community that is building an amazing mobile free OS and enjoy ! :)
 @DanChapman, Thats maybe a side effect of their politics. Dont blame it, Turkey as a country still does not understand the Western concepts of free speech and hierarchy-less life. Its a long way to go. They evrn got Wikipedia blocked.
 Knowledge is power. :)
 @Flohack, Are u know why wiki blocked in our country ?
 No until you told me yesterday I could not imagine
 @Flohack, Yes i told you.
 But you dont know WHY
 No tell us
[09:33] <ubptgbot> Charcoal_drawing was added by: Charcoal_drawing
 S.a kardesler
 As
 @Flohack, Thanks for enlightening me 😊 I've never seen people demanding to speak or be given authority in this way amongst the various FLOSS communities i've been  involved with.
 It's understandable if that's how their culture works 😊
 @Charcoal_drawing, Hi
 Well I am not sure if it is really cultural. Turkey´s culture is great, they have an outstanding performance over the centuries compared to other countries in the near east and europe. But I think the problem stems from the political system that has een established with a base tone of oppression.
 As there was the 100% condemnation of religious influence to the state. And the strict separation as one was afraid that religious leaders would step up. Guess what, now its turning around somehow, and exactly this is happening.
 Okay @sealofnova to change topic now, whats about those Wileyfox mobiles? I never heard this brand name here
[09:52] <ubptgbot> deleteus was added by: deleteus
 There are LineageOS ports for it: https://download.lineageos.org/crackling
 @Flohack, SLast
 If you find a developer with basic Android knowledge you can start porting for it
 There will be support by the Halium guys for device bringup and later this can be a community port like the Moto G port by Walid
 It is a UK company but the principal market is Turkey and there seems to be an analogue in India
 Modest specifations but would be quite useful
 @Flohack, Right, i see. Learn something new everyday 👍
 Interesting. If someone would test the Lineage ports to see if they are good, this would be a start
 We are totally open to any port that can spread UT. I dont know whats holding us back
 Few have access to that phone. It is not popular in the UK
 @Stereofont, I've only ever seen them advertised on amazon in the UK. They often have deals with amazon to buy a swift 2 with an echo dot
 It was sold with both Sailfish and Firefox, so the company is amenable
 Argos
 @Stereofont, amenable? eh? 😆
 Heh i haven't used argos in years.
 Amenable as BQ I imagine
 @Flohack, I know how to port it. But i made it for z5. I dont want any device support. I want only one or two Turkish admin in turkey group.
 Thats all
 We will translate all document to turkish.
 But the goal is also to get devices proliferating in Turkey. All sense of Ubuntu Touch is to use it, not just to read its documentation ;)
 @Flohack, +1
 @Flohack, turkish source is always the best for turkish users. easy to understand. And we are support novice people.
 I'm sure we will be successful in turkey.
 @sealofnova, I agree. The best case is China. They made a port for Xiaomi device, and we even did not know that. But in the beginning for the first port you need a dev who can speak English. The documentation cannot cover all issues that will pop up.
 Just trust us.
 @sealofnova, I remember the first time when the Turkish group was upset because someone started to kick people and so on. Do you remember that?
 @Flohack, Yeah, I was just starting to work for halium. the person who blocked me the group was a friend of the team captain (@archi_dagac) who was not related to halium.
 @Flohack, [Edit] Yeah, I was just starting to work for halium. the person who blocked me the group was a friend of the team captain ( @archi_dagac ) who was not related to halium.
 @sealofnova, I never blocked you
 @archi_dagac, Read it correctly.
 :)
 Sorry
 I said ur friend.
 And I solved the problem
 @archi_dagac, But you gave him admin rights again.
 No
 So now Ladies and Gentlemen, you can see why we are hesitating to give admin rights to ANYONE. This.
 He was not admen after problem's day
 [Edit] He was not admin after problem's day
 @Flohack, Yeah i know but super admin rights in ur hands.
 @Flohack, Finally, I see a real problem described. But how does this relate to the allegations of racism?
 @Flohack, What about  the galaxy s3?
 the group is in your hands.
 What is the s3's ubuntu touch situation?
 @sealofnova, We do not speak Turkish. We cannot judge if necessary who is doing what and so on. Its an official group, we are going to be a foundation and have the (legal) obligation to take care for content that is published in our name etc. We need someone whom wwe can trust, and obviously that needs time.
 I saw your post in old s3 ubuntu topic in xda.
 Last posts
 Samsunng S3 Neo, not S3. Thats a major difference, just to be clear. Well 16.04 boots well, but I need to wait for a better 16.04 to continue. Will try to get 15.04 working. No GUI at the moment
 The S3 port is too old, I am afraid
 No I mean the S3 is too old for porting
 [Edit] The S3 (old model) is too old, I am afraid
 @Flohack, you need people who speak turkish you can manage the community because you do not speak turkish.
 @sealofnova, Yes thats true. But we will choose based on what we see. Again I explain its about a trust relationship. You are just a text on my screen I dont know you personally. Come to my place, bring your laptop, hack with us. Of course thats difficult. Or do the same remotely. After some time, we shall see. "Just Trust us"
[10:28] <ubptgbot>  will not happen
 @sealofnova, Sorry old teams captain is @deleteus but super admin is @archi_dagac
 dat names 😆
 I understand you, but the controls are completely in your hands this time.
 Controls, yes, but too late. If you add unwanted people, start a fight or kick innocent users, we will know hours or days later. Its about reputation. Our super admin fully relies on the help of the Turkish admin. And thats a problem. How can we react if we dont understand the language
 @sealofnova, Viper banned from third part admin. Lastly I don't have all admin right. I can't unban. Celti do.
 @deleteus, Yes, thats right.
 I don't want to be rude or anything, but that stubbornness cracks me up and probably some more of the 1300 members of this group. 😆
 Haha yes but we are notorious for being patient and polite. In the end, what counts are the humans behind the technology
 Thats more than "just a port" for mobile devices. Its about an idea of freedom. So we are tolerant if someone goes OT
 If we try to ban somebody, I will report it before I ban it at you.
 Btw. Android One Project Cover turkey. In turkey Most Popular Device is (seed) , Android One Second Gen . @Flohack
 Approx 500.000 users
 Promises, promises. I suggest a cooldown period of a few days. I am on a plane now, my 2nd flight today. C u all later
 (Photo, 806x1279) https://irc.ubports.com/rhbTzRCc.png
 (Photo, 802x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/lCBMf3Cq.png
 @Stereofont why are you blocking us.
 @Stereofont
 @sealofnova, Because he as an individual is free to stop engaging with you if he needs to do his job, has other things to do in life besides UBports, feels disrespected or spammed or doesn't see the discussion go anywhere. He and everyone is free to do that, but this doesn't neccessarily mean UBports as a whole wants to b
[10:47] <ubptgbot> lock you
 many people do not enjoy being called a racist for no reason
 [Edit] many people do not enjoy being called a racist for a reason they do not agree with
 @rogieroudshoorn, Although there is no bad dialogue between us. When we said racist.
 @rogieroudshoorn, [Edit] Although there is no bad dialogue between us. When we said racist?
 feel free to do a search in this group; you'll see
 (Photo, 800x746) https://irc.ubports.com/YJ0M0X8v.png
 hmm i guess you can only search limited on mobile; there's quite a few mentions from yesterday
 @rogieroudshoorn, Can you forward to me ?
 .
 Fwd from bsgri: You are thinking wrong
 hmm that didn't forward well
 anyway, gri and lionel yesterday
 @sealofnova, Lol how did you put the f- word there for new messages?
 @Flohack, racist
 @Flohack, I was wondering the same 😎
 @sealofnova, Eh?
 (Photo, 450x800) https://irc.ubports.com/c36hzLI7.png
 It should of course be 1 message, not 1 messages
 @Flohack, Florian i send you a personal message
 @Stereofont, Lionel gri is not my friend he blocked me.
 Enough silly games and play-acting for today …
 @sealofnova, I mean the "1 new f... Message" thingie
 @Flohack, Its koffogram
 @sealofnova, Tell me more, is that open source?
 @Flohack, Its language file for telegram
 Ahhh ok
 Lol
 Sorry for that sorry
 @Stereofont, Lionel others may say you want it, but I do not care about them. we love you.
 I didn't say anything bad about you.
 hope will be better between us.
 Lionel is good enough. Turkish community have no problems with him.
 Join Ubports TR for being open community @Flohack and other managers of Ubports Foundation
 [Edit] Join Ubports TR for being open community @Flohack and other managers of Ubports Foundation https://t.me/UBports_TR
 @Flohack any chance there's an Hebrew ubports group/ channel?
 Could convergence support TV out I wonder
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/WM5iL8ky.webp
 I have an old Nokia 5800 TV out cable lying here somewhere
 Oh, Nokia 5800
 Cool phone
 Can UT run on a nokia 5800?
 Fwd from mehmetalihzr: @deleteus must be captain!!!!!!!!
 @mehmetalihzr, Please don't spam, especially not in the super group! You risk getting yourself banned immediately
 @Fuseteam, I hope with touchscreen and artificial intelligence features
 Tho I'm not sure if my current phone supports that cable😂
[11:40] <ubptgbot> krishnik was added by: krishnik
 @hwpplayer1, Not sure how know it is but a TV out cable is a cable that plugs connects a phone to a TV via its headphone jack
 Also welcome nikhil :D
 @Fuseteam, You mean RCA/S-Video/component/s-cart/etc?
 Yeah jack to rca/etc
 Appearantly Samsung used to have it too
 I would expect not. Phones with that are too old to support. Unity8 on such low resolution would be very odd, if even remotely close to usable
 I suppose it would be odd haha
 So I take it most phones don't have that anymore?
 No. Slimport, MHL, Miracast, or straight HDMI or DisplayPort
 Haha too bad really seeing how ubiquitous the jack is.......excluding apple ofc
 It's not though. Video over the headphone jack requires specific hardware support in each phone
 Just as media control buttons over headphone jack also does
 Yeah but if more phones did have that support that usage could've been ubiquitous
 It uses microphone pin for coax video out, which I'm sure nobody does any more
 @Fuseteam, Maybe, but video grew far beyond single wire connection needs
 It did?
 @Eranuzan, Ken, If there are some people arround speaking Hebrew...
 Wait it uses the microphone pin?
 @Fuseteam, If it's vid out via 3.5mm jack, yes. Audio out as normal, and video on pin 4
 Sounds to me like a software fix is possible 🤔 or is there something different in hardware.......
 Not enough bandwidth on RCA for 4K video, for example
 @Fuseteam, Hardware is needed
 Ah 4k
 @Fuseteam, Sounds to me that hardware support is essential. (And improbable)
 I guess you could hack something on software to scale down to 640x480, and just dump it to microphone, but it'd be slow and awful
 Might be ok to dump a YouTube video over, but not an interactive shell
 So that means 640x480 is the limit huh
 Interesting
 Roughly that, yes
 Now I do wonder how bad it would be tbh haha
 Take a screenshot on a modern phone, and resize it in gimp to 640x480
 is there even still equipment that would take an analog 640x480 signal?
 I have an HD TV that takes rca input yeah
 Or was it composite not sure atm
 my tv has a vga in, but i don't think it would scale 640x480. it would have the mother of all bezels 😆
 😂
 the output could be smaller than on your device
 Wish mine had vga tbh haha
 Still laughing thanks to "mother of all bezels" 😂
 @YougoChats, It would scale up probably.
 you don't know my tv 😭
 #DisplayPortForLife tho
 it's good at being a tv, but weird at being anything else
 Plug in an SNES and see
 @Fuseteam, Like Surface Hub
 Surface hub?
 Wuzzat🤪
 Oh my goodness that's expensive
 @jonny, I'm studying ancient Hebrew... does that count? :)
 We have decided to support UBPorts Foundation and their projects together The Team Captain is @deleteus. @deleteus @sealofnova @HuseyinS @TGPResitOfficial @hwpplayer1 and other friends who have been there before We want to develop applications develop operating system adapt hardware and do other things for the needs of project
 @wayneoutthere, I don't think you qualify for language captain
 Who are you?  And who is 'we'?
 @dohbee, come on, coach.  Give me on try! ;)
 [Edit] We have decided to support UBPorts Foundation and their projects together The Team Captain is @deleteus. @deleteus @sealofnova @HuseyinS @TGPResitOfficial @hwpplayer1 and other friends who have been there before We want to develop applications develop operating system adapt hardware and do other things for the needs of pro
[13:11] <ubptgbot> ject https://t.me/UBports_TR
 @wayneoutthere https://t.me/UBports_TR
 @hwpplayer1, thank you
 @wayneoutthere, We are UBPorts Turkey team
 @hwpplayer1, Ok, thank you for your patience.  We will communicate over the next few days but we will communicate *there* not here, and in other places becasue I'm pretty sure 1299 people here don't want to read about it
 can i get a +1 if you agree?
 we can even start a side lab, open, for anyone to discuss this topic
 but we no longer need to use this SG to interrupt development
 I agree
 Isnt there a Welcomers group ?
 there is, and we'll get you a new 'Lab link' to discuss
 Okay danke schön ofcourse we'll follow the rules
 +1
 ☝️
 FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE TURKISH GROUP CONVERSATION, JOIN THIS LINK TO WATCH, PARTICIPATE, ETC … https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhGOmNABsfHPyYFGVQ
 @wayneoutthere, Ty
 [Edit] FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE TURKISH GROUP CONVERSATION, JOIN THIS LINK TO WATCH, PARTICIPATE, ETC … https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhGOmNABsfHPyYFGVQ … TOPICS INCLUDE: … -GROUP ADMIN RIGHTS … -IS LIONEL RACIST? … -AND MORE!
 @wayneoutthere, Make a message with a channel then have all links to another groups about UBPorts
 @wayneoutthere, Yay then I won't be alone I the group 😉
 Ok, back to Ubuntu Touch everyone!  Chop, chop!
 Lol
 @BPaiter, Seems a very sensible idea. Saves jumping to the website and back
 A discord server could work for that
 @wayneoutthere, @bsgri we need explanation on this topic. (-IS LIONEL RACIST?). This is not our fault. your problem
 Focus on the topic people
 Indeed uhh
 Ubports uh
 @sealofnova, Please stop spamming supergroup like this
 What features does unity 7 have that unity 8 doesn't have yet?
 @Fuseteam, Way too many I guess
[13:39]  * bshah puts told ya look about multiple groups
 Oh my
 Not that all of them belong in unity8
 [Edit] FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE TURKISH GROUP CONVERSATION, JOIN THIS LINK TO WATCH, PARTICIPATE, ETC … https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhGOmNABsfHPyYFGVQ … TOPICS INCLUDE: … -GROUP ADMIN RIGHTS … -AND MORE!
 @dohbee, I dont spam anymore. There is a blame here and we are not even allowed to make a explanation.
 Like what doesn't belong? 🤔
 @sealofnova, you can discuss this and more in the link.  see you there
 @sealofnova, lionel yanlış anladı özelden gerekeni yaptım siz kendinizle ilgili olan kısmı hallededin. … for english "there is no need to talk more here,its not my problem"
 Like if there's one feature of unity 7 that I find indispensable it's the HUD
 @sealofnova, Do it in the lab group please. After 3000+ messages across multiple groups, continuing to bring it up in supergroup is spamming.
 I'm very interested a "heavy metal industrial" software development environment dedicated to Free Software rather than using any tool but directly developing it for our needs like Microsoft and Visual Studio or other companies who are the past and recently working Ubuntu SDK Team friends here ?
 Uhh
 Comma's and periods are friends
 yeah, sorry, that reads like one of those auto generated fake blogs
 are you asking if there is an all-encompassing development suite for Ubuntu Touch?
 i believe there was talks of someone dusting off the old ubuntu SDK, but haven't heard if anything came of that...
 Yes @YougoChats @Fuseteam an all encompassing development suite for our needs , i want to know who is responsible for that and who makes research for that
 nobody on both i think
 Right now no one, but you're welcome to grab and build the SDK and update it for today. After that's done and you've documented the steps, let us know so we can get the project rolling
 I understand @UniversalSuperBox @YougoChats
 @hwpplayer1, Like i said to you in your group. There are a couple of people here working on some parts of the sdk such as revamping the ubuntu-ui-toolkit to use qqc2. and clickable has taken on the packaging & build environment parts of it. There isn't currently anyone working on the IDE part though as QtCreator/VSCode/Atom
[14:52] <ubptgbot> /whatever you like using. Is good enough for now.
 if someone could make it (s)he'd be a hero!
 Seabass would be cool to be a native IDE :)
 Hello guys
 i got my nexus 5, possible to install ubports from Windows ?
 i unlocked bootloader
 tryied to install it but stuck on Please reboot to bootloader, i already in it
 It is. I suggest the Welcome & Install room. On the welcome link
 https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 hm, i do same as on video , even tried on ubuntu, ubports installer on ubuntu detected my phone, reboot it in to fastboot and ask me to connect usb
 that's all
 lsusb Bus 001 Device 010: ID 18d1:4ee0 Google Inc.
 Those conversations can go on a bit. That is why we generally switch to the other room
 mb i need to update nexus 5 to last firmware , cos it come with android 6
 can i got link pls to Welcome & Install room
 i am using web version of telegram idk if it same as mobile
 found
 thanks
 Fwd from peternerlich: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 yes, idk why i ignored big JOIN Button (
 test
 @padraic7a, Works 😂
 @Eranuzan for Hebrew group ping @wayneoutthere
 Where is the Hebrew group could you please givve us link @Flohack
 [Edit] Where is the Hebrew group could you please givve us link @wayneoutthere
 @hwpplayer1, It might be about to be created
 @peternerlich, Please add me too
 you will know when it's created, process is started.  Look in news channel for language updates
 (I won't be pinging individually)
 Danke Schön Wayne
[16:35] <ubptgbot> DJMAOMIX was added by: DJMAOMIX
 @DJMAOMIX, Hi DJ. Be sure to check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[16:40] <ubptgbot> nerd7473 was added by: nerd7473
 Could I use a Samsung Galaxy S4?
 @nerd7473, Hi and welcome, S4 not yet, check out this link pls https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[17:17] <ubptgbot> Vladimir was added by: Vladimir
 @Vladimir, Hello Vladimir check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Let us know if you need any assistance
 sure, ty
 any help with flashing nexus 4? Its about 4am and no way i could do it
 Legacy and a bit tricky. I suggest the install room, from the link I gave
 Is it possible to switch off the phone screen when it's being used with slimport and mouse+keyboard ? as in turn it off until the cable is disconnected ,necessating the touchpad functionality again. It may reduce the power usage a bit. ( i know it theoretically should charge from he cable, but it doesn't with certain cables)
 for me it would seem more intuitive that if i'm using mouse + keyboard insead, i should be able to press the power button on the phone to have it turn off the screen untill i press it a second time to turn it on again.
 -- turn off the phone screen*
 Hi everybody, how long will BQ M10FHD be supported?
 @riccardovidotto, As long as it can be, i presume
 there is no set dates for support periods
 as long as someone can help maintain the device, it'll be supported to some extent
 Ok, thank you!
 @SwizzlaKalongie, I think it's a hardware thing unless there's a software workaround....my way of reducing power consumption is turning off auto brightness and bring it down to the lowest
 @Javacookies, hmm... hardware....yup. i do the same with auto brightness... that way the battery discharge graph is nearly flat... any idea where i can look in the code tho? perhaps a script that gets triggered when the mouse is detected to activate desktop mode...??
 @Javacookies, -- just to check if indeed it's a hardware behavior and can't be changed.
 @Javacookies, Software controls what happens, the behavior could be changed
 @SwizzlaKalongie, It's all in unity8. There's no support for the classic "don't suspend when laptop lid is cloed" feature in unity8 though, i don't think
 @SwizzlaKalongie, You reduces the battery comsumption putting "stop ubuntu-push-client" on the Terminal.
 @dohbee, interesting.... so to find out i'd need to talk to whoever is currently working on unity 8....
 @SwizzlaKalongie, which is basically nobody really :)
 @Cesar_Herrera, hahah, why stop it from waking every 5 mins?
 @Cesar_Herrera, And then you don't get notifications. You an also just delete your U1 account and disable all notifications.
 account-polld eats way more battery than ubuntu-push-client would
 @dohbee, oh. but didn't marius talk about unity 8 porting on the community update? -- i was half asleep at the time... don't remember what they said.
 @SwizzlaKalongie, there have been people asking for ISOs for the x86 builds of it, but nobody is actually working on unity8 afaik. just the basics of getting what's in 16.04 updated to parity with what's in the 15.04 images
 i don't think there's anyone actively involved that would know the code well enough to give you a meaningful discussion about what is essentially "lid close" behavior
 @dohbee, Yes if you have open the app. When you restat it comes the same.
 @dohbee, wow. sounds like it's gonna be trouble to get that truck rolling again when the time comes.
 @dohbee, well that's not true. i have been working on unity8 alot this week,
 @Cesar_Herrera, turning the screen and backlight off will save way more power
 @dohbee, oh I see, I assume it was hardware because even in Android, you can't turn off the display when connected to a monitor, I think Windows Phone has this issue as well?
 @mariogrip, oh? how so? packaging? or implementing features and bug fixes in the code?
 @mariogrip, it now starts and runs really nice on bionic
 @dohbee, OK
 @mariogrip, Can you install it
 @mariogrip, oh. you're here :)  any comments on how to go about modifying the behavior of the screen ?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Jep, add repo.ubports.com and install unity8-desktop-session
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/jxTmBJHG.png
 @mariogrip just delete all the payui stuff instead of just commenting it out :)
 @dohbee, yeah, i probobly could
 @SwizzlaKalongie, what do you mean?
 Have you filed a bug report @SwizzlaKalongie ?
 well it's not a bug at the moment and i want to first ask here about it, if it's possible and what's involved before i file a feature enhancement report on the github page
 Well, anything is probably possible given enough effort.
 and by asking about what part of the code handles that desktop mode switching i would be able to judge whether or not i have the skills to do it myself
 @SwizzlaKalongie, It's in unity8 https://github.com/ubports/unity8/tree/xenial/qml/Stage
 @mariogrip, k, thanks
 was about to make a patch for you
 but it looks like it's going to be more difficult than i thought to add that feature
 @mariogrip, this is good 'developer progress'.  This is 'almost news'.  When it 'has documentation about how to install' marketig will help promote.  How was that?  :)
 @dohbee, wow
 @dohbee, that was fast.... i'm still going thru the files trying to figure out what's going on
 Unity 8 is a very interesting topic for me...I also tried to do a bit but no siginifcant result 😅...maybe we can have phone/tablet and desktop workspaces so that we can separate behaviors for each
 @SwizzlaKalongie, ok, i think i know how to implement it now, but it's a bit complicated :)
 @dohbee, i'm beginning to see that too
 there's a lot of stuff in unity8 that's a bit problematic, because it's basically written from the view of it only being used on phones/tablets, so there's still a lot that's incomplete
 not sure what the plans are, if any, for "finishing" out some of the stuff that was started at canonical, either
 @mariogrip ^^ are there any concrete plans on that?
 Heu,
 Sorry
 I want to test uMatriks, what is the UBPorts Server for that?
 @Mappaschreck, i think there is no ubports matrix server ...
 just a uMatriks channel on matrix
 @dohbee, Im afraid we cannot do Plans beyond "16.04" and a few other important things. The existing devices need some love, and 1 or 2 new ports must happen too :)
 Ah, just the standard matrix url. Thanks!
 @Flohack, Sure. I don't mean "is there a timeframe" as such. Just "is this something we know we want to do"
 No, but you can join the Unity8 group where discussions like that would happen
 Shall I PM you the name?
 Yep definitely Marius is more than happy when you offload such things to the peopel dealing with it already (in some way) =)
 [Edit] Yep definitely Marius is more than happy when you offload such things to the people dealing with it already (in some way) =)
 Slowly we are growing our teams
 There's a unity8 group?
 Yup,
 would also like to get the link
 as yunit.io was abandoned
 can you please give me the unity8 group link too?
 It is for developer discussion only, so please refrain from joining if you are not expecting to contribute. Seriously. @ubports_unity8
 so uh yeah, @UniversalSuperBox go ahead and pm it to me, if it's meant to still be private-ish
 Meh, it's been public before.
 And no noise problems yet
 It wouldn't be a challenge to guess it 😂
 @UniversalSuperBox, I guess you know that I won't spam or troll anyone there
 I would expect nothing less than stellar performance. 😉
 :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, why thinketh thee that there might grow noise? I'm in there and... Oh.. right.  I see! HAHA
[21:53] <ubptgbot> ankaos was added by: ankaos
 Hello enes.You can find some introductory stuff at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hi
 @turanmahmudov broder tranlate.
 Please use English, enes, then everyone can understand you
 [Edit] @turanmahmudov broder trasnlate.
 @ankaos, you can join @Ubports_TR for the Turkish language group
 I think this was english
 @Flohack, My apologies
 But even if it was, I cant understand it
 @Flohack, Was a request for translation
 Ok
 I am humble
 This last few posts should be framed somewhere.
 some kind of great moment in UBports world-wide community
 ha
[22:50] <ubptgbot> habibedelicay was added by: habibedelicay
 Good evening, Habibe. Please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Is there a more or less up to date list of what works on official devices with 16.04 and what not?
 @NotKit, nope unfortunately
 @vanyasem, Guessing it is still a bit too random to allow a definitive list?
 There's some differences between classic and halium too I think
 @Stereofont, define random
 @vanyasem, I mean if it works sometimes and not others
 uh?