 Sometimes an app crashes everything, sometimes it doesn't
 Works for some people, not fir others, etc
 No consistent pattern
 i believe NeKit meant hardware support on official devices
 [Edit] Works for some people, not for others, etc
 it's either implemented (supported) or not
 @Stereofont, Do we have a software to analyze and understand logs ?
 it's a binary value, quantum computing is not yet there
 i work on halium, and i feel NeKit's pain
 @vanyasem, Ah I see. I thought he meant general function
 @Stereofont, only a few general apps are broken
 @habibedelicay, Logviewer app
 @vanyasem, even openstore works if you disable apparmor
 i used 16.04 as a daily driver for 3 days
 (to test things out)
 @habibedelicay, That will retrieve and display but not analyse
 @vanyasem, Brave
 @habibedelicay, May I ask, are you a developer?
 @vanyasem, Everything works if you disable security, is not really working
 Right, but it kinda works
 Half points?
 @dohbee, rewriting apparmor rules is relatively easy
 Yeah, the same way I can bury all my cash in the yard, as a bank. :)
 @dohbee, Exactly, half points.
 @Stereofont, We only use this account as our family to extend our business development science and other things
 @vanyasem, Assuming the rules specifically are the problem, and not some other weirdness
 @habibedelicay, I see, so more of education, science and experimentation?
 @dohbee, yeah, i haven't checked that
 Would be nice to categorize the problems per device
 @habibedelicay, I asked because there are different rooms, appropriate to more specific issues. We have a Parents room, for example
 @Stereofont, There are two person in our family @hwpplayer1 and my mom now i use my moms account i wanted my mom to know whats going on in many groups it works for my mom me and my mom working together with every issue
 @habibedelicay, I see. Well she might be interested in the Parent thing. You don't have to be in all the same groups
 @Stereofont, Okay i will care
 Probably not in the unity8 development channel for sure.
 It is a core group but for example UBPorts China is unnecessary
 Well, whichever one of you is posting the "hello" gif, please avoid so in future. It is inappropriate. Thanks.
 Danke Rodney
 Walid, are you available to review a written piece about your Moto G2 port?
 @ankaos, Thanks
 # unity-system-compositor … Segmentation fault (core dumped)
 segfault is life
 SIGSEGV is love
 Oh boy, and it's in libc.so.6
 This could be literally anything
 oh my gosh
 The logging function segfaults
 just use gdb
 That's how I found that
 it should tell you the function inside libc, doesn't it?
 yup
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cWxVMqXHFS/
 @dohbee, What would be the correct way to track the "app crashing" issue in 16.04? I installed in N5 and M10 and would like to help.
 @UniversalSuperBox, do a backtrace maybe
 Sure
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PfXGGsFyf3/
 ah ok, i have no clue on how to fix that, just curious
 Yeah, it's having a good time
 I found the error
 ?
 https://github.com/MirServer/mir/blob/55fed7fe11f6b3ccd2c72cb8d82b89b0f550fc51/src/common/logging/logger.cpp#L34 … https://stackoverflow.com/a/29370138
 [Edit] I think I found the error
 Good spotting!
 Alright @Keziiii, let's see if I did this right: https://ci.ubports.com/blue/organizations/jenkins/ubports%2Fmir/detail/PR-4/1/pipeline
 No, it would seem I didn't
 i had one job
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/R0eFZ0Pe.mp4
[07:10] <ubptgbot> grOLo was added by: grOLo
 @UniversalSuperBox, is this arm or arms?
 @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] is this arm or arm64?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes give me the doc , also i have friend teacher in english will help me.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wqZKBFg0.jpeg
 @gab11010, There is a testing protocol that you can sign up to, to provide feedback
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6EEwB4SJ.webp
 Why is Yumi called Yumi? What does it stand for?
 That is a well kept secret, I guess
 But I bet on it it's nothing serious, but a pun
 Some say it resembles all of us in the community, Yu and MI
 Other people tend to believe Yumi just appeared and took over in an instant
 But if you ask me, I think Yumi was @mariogrip stuffed animal which he used to sleep with.
[10:53] <ubptgbot> * DanChapman spits coffeee across keyboard 😂😂😂😂
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Aj89GDDx.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/eNx4vk6s.webp
 @Mohannes, That's just got to be true!
 @DanChapman, Hahaha amazing
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/AVL0WzZf.webp
[11:02] <ubptgbot> * mstfdurak
[11:02] <ubptgbot> * mstfdurak
[11:02] <ubptgbot> * mstfdurak
[11:02] <ubptgbot> * mstfdurak
[11:02] <ubptgbot> * mstfdurak
 @Stereofont, you mean Quality Assurance and Testing group?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/e46xuJoF.webp
 @Mohannes, wut
 Don't try to deny it
 Lord Viking!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wvfTh4th.mp4
 @mariogrip, Mohannes should be renamed to Grosshannes 😆
[11:32] <ubptgbot> agurenko was added by: agurenko
 @gab11010, Yep
 @agurenko, Good morning Alex. Check this out if you are new https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 And if you happen to be a Russian speaker, we have a group for that 😎
 @Stereofont, Thanks :)
 @Stereofont, I'm fine here :)
 @agurenko, Great
 So you are a developer?
 Any Qt skills?
 This is the big, general group. We have some quieter corners where developers meet up
 @Stereofont, Not a developer per se and no QT skills...well not yet at least :)
 @NotKit, 64
 But wanna try to get a bit more involved and maybe eventually contribute something useful
 @agurenko, Okay. You can run the bar then 😄
 Have a look around and see what interests you. Check out Halium project maybe
 @UniversalSuperBox, ok, I had this issue as well then
 the workaround was to comment error printing in vendor blob, that's what causes the crash, but it's hard to find the real culprit
 it's related to https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/pull/373, which I guess was not the proper fix
 before all the apps crashed on exit
 the weird thing is that according to backtrace it happens in logger from Linux side
 Guys, did you see it (probably you did)? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/samsung-launch-linux-on-galaxy-survey
 @giovanniiannotti, Yes. Has about the same status as a 'concept car' from the look of it
 Been there, done that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_for_Android
 Guys
 Can i build UBports over Halium5.1?
 @unknown, it's first usage can be tracked back to some of the earliest Ubuntu Touch Audiocasts, we have been told.  Although they claim to be the un-authorized voice of the ubports community, they may be connected with this name.  More on this and other news as the story develops...
 @wayneoutthere, "They"
 @Mohannes, did someone ask for a bat?  i don't see any such request above....  anyone? someone?
 @KunalBhat, I think that depends on the device. You would benefit from being in the Halium group if you are porting
 (Photo, 640x640) https://irc.ubports.com/vyrwdRrV.png Did someone ask for a logo thief?  Why are you still using my logo, Mayne(Outthere)?
 @wayneoutthere, I like the stuffed toy version better
 it's war!
 @wayneoutthere, It's Mar!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/kwHWMln9.mp4
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/najEr2fQ.mp4
 Now you're just spamming SG yourself. Please stop @Mohannes @wayneoutthere!
 It's not spamming, it's being active
 Ok, fine. but just one more
 GIT!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ACj8isNN.mp4
 @admin, please ban this canadian fellow.
 @Stereofont, Oh I'll ask there
 @KunalBhat, 👍
 Thanks
 :)
 @Mohannes, Canadians cannot be banned.  We represent all nations and someone will always feel sorry for us.
 GIT!
[13:28] <ubptgbot> Aravind was added by: Aravind
 Does ubports installer works offline
 @Aravind, no, it identifies the device and then downloads the needed image
 @Aravind, [Edit] no, it identifies the device and then downloads the required image
 Does it need unlocked bootloader for nexus 5
 it does
 @Aravind, https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome worth reading if you are new 😎
 When will anbox officially comes to UT
 @Aravind, No date, sorry. When its ready, its ready :)
 @Aravind, It also needs MTP mode as default and USB debugging authorised
 I am little hesitate to install UT is it worth trying or is it still in beta
 Were you the person that said 'Where is the UBports employees?" last week?
 Yea
 Ok, so I think many of us individually answered many of these questions last week.
 if you follow here you will stay in contact plus there is a news channel
 @Aravind, The stable version is stable, as the name suggests. But if you can use it daily depends on what you need from a mobile OS
 Here is the link to subscribe; https://t.me/ubports_news
 R u the one who is answering questions in UT PODCAST IN youtube
 @Aravind, If you are a person who absolutely must have WhatsApp,  then you will not be happy. If you are not dependent on those big proprietary things, I think you will be very happy with it
 @Aravind, Me?
 (Voice, 0s) https://irc.ubports.com/lr2VDJ52.oga
 All of u
 Everyone answers questions, if they know the answer
 Not all of us, here are 1300 people subscribed
 @Ismaelbonato, MC Ismael 😆
 @UniversalSuperBox, +1 we are a Community
 @Aravind, So you also answer questions?
 Me, iam just new here
 Great, here is a link you will benefit from: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Aravind, If you need help, always ask. If it is a longer discussion, the Welcome room is great for that
 Walid second ping, are you able to review some writing on your g2 port?
 @Aravind, do you know http://docs.ubports.com/
 @Walid, This
 why did that not notify me
 Nooo idea
 Telegram is messed up here. Servers cutting out
 Western Europe
 England to Italy
 Patchy
 I think this group resides in there somewhere
 uMatriks, O' where art thou, uMatriks?
 Would be good if everyone here knew what fallback arrangements to use. Even if only a web page for updates
 #ubports on freenode
 True. If it is only regional
 We will have to dig into our history books to remind ourselves about the 'irc' thing
 @wayneoutthere, i don't understand that
 @Stereofont, Lol!
 https://twitter.com/UBports/status/965946696885788672
 ^ that was nice to see! :D
[14:39] <ubptgbot> §§§§πππ§§§§ was added by: §§§§πππ§§§§
 @popeydc, \o/
 I passed the link on to Stef, who was responsible for shipping them.
 @popeydc, We need to get those flashed with the correct OS :)
 Yeah! :D
 Nice photo.
 oh what is there on there on the right?
 @§§§§πππ§§§§, Hello SSS. Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @anpok, It's an Aquaris
 :P
 @anpok, E5 possibly?
 @DanChapman, Jep E2
 @DanChapman, [Edit] Jep E5
 बी
 @popeydc, Thanks Alan!
 The mysterious poster...was me
 @popeydc, Thank Stef for me!
 i did :)
 Unsupported characters
 Users are welcome to join the UBports Museum group 🤗
 @anpok, Looks like someone trying to root the bootloader?
 @§§§§πππ§§§§, I did look
 @mariogrip, GET TO WORK MARIUS!
 I thought the E5 edge was bigger.. so I assumed it was something newer than the E5
 @Mohannes, he's up to his elbows in unity8 currently
 @UniversalSuperBox, hi sorry, ok i'm available no
 @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] hi sorry, ok i'm available now
 Alright, PM'd it to you
 @UniversalSuperBox, Dalton be Durstin
 I heared UT has Loqui im whatsapp alternative, how is it
 Was it great
 @popeydc, awesome! time for a raffle! or an app development contest :P … or hackathon for fixing bugs :D
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0wbKMc0i.mp4
 :P
 Aravind: … I heared UT has Loqui im whatsapp alternative, was it great
 @Aravind, yes it was great
 not anymore though
 it uses an old protocol to work with whatsapp, and whatsapp stopped supporting that protocol
 @Aravind, Anbox is really the only solution to that
 ^that or whatsapp web, which isn't much of a solution 😞
 Can I install anbox  where is it
 @Aravind, Still experimental. We wouldn't advise it
 It can be installed on the Pro5 or M10 tablet and only on 16.04, which is not ready for daily use. https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 Anbox is a compatbility layer that lets you run android apps on linux distributions.
 Anyone can try to log in with hotmail on browser on Ubuntu Touch latest stable? Keyboard doesn't come up when writing the password.
 I am on nexus 5
 @Gabriele, Dekko2?
 I thought Hotmail was dead 😐
 @popeydc, what's going on here? what are all those phones?
 even with anbox, you may not be happy with whatsapp on ubuntu, i suspect. unless maybe you install google play services and get them working on it, too
 @Michele, Canonical sent us some phones
 From the seeeeeeecret vault of Shuttleworth
 We had a cupboard full of phones, so I asked to send them to Ubports
 oh wait I wasn't supposed to mention that
 Someone in our office wiped them all before sending them
 That's not all of them.
 You make things so much less interesting. :P
 wow😆
 @popeydc, Wait wut....THERE IS MORE!!
 Yeah
 (Sticker, 482x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Uob2FRtz.webp
 I asked them to ship the ones that had been wiped already, there will still some left to wipe
 But Stef is busy, so finding time to wipe a ton of machines is difficult
 Poor Stef...
 @popeydc, If all goes to plan, we will have a procedure for flashing, up and running in no time (back me up on this @mariogrip)
 What a wonderful time to be alive
 Yes. Indeed
 @Mohannes, Jep! Alan alredy got the installer installed so maybe he can come and help haha :P
 Ha BEST IDEA EVER
 @mariogrip, If he haven't removed it yet :P
 what phones are available?? this is really cool! … Marius will create a bot to automate all the developments on these phones :P
 @Javacookies, What about Samsung phones? >_>
 @Javacookies, Jep, yumi will help
 @mariogrip, Alan is important. Tiny projects like ours are not worthy of his attenion.
 @tsimonq2, Now that's an old meme
[15:21] <bshah> ^^
 @Stereofont, I see. Well, they could decide to do good and donate a few millions to UBports. ;-)
 @giovanniiannotti, Oddly, that would destroy what we are about. But the profits they make in five seconds would be a nice catch
 @Stereofont, A real existential paradox.
 dear list, is there any reason my Bq E5 why does not remember any tabs opened in the browser next time i open the app?
 I've just made my first webapp (thanks to the amazing app by @cibersheep @mateosalta & @Jujuyeh) … https://open-store.io/app/badnews.advocatux
 @wayneoutthere maybe it's interesting for UBp Parents because the web is made by DROG. They develop programs and courses and conduct research aimed at recognizing disinformation, especially online. More info at https://www.aboutbadnews.com/
 is there anyone having problems with the hotspot on the nexus 5 (hammerhead)? When I try ti set it up, it takes lots of time and I don't know what to do...
 @Michele, Ignore the pulldown menu and create it in Settings. That may solve the problem
 I'm already in settings
 Install the log viewer app and see if you find anything interesting in the logs. Open a terminal and type dmesg | tail right after you switched hotspot on or off
 which log should I look at in the app?
 Good question
 `applications-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log`?
 wow, the app frozened when I tapped on PasteBin 😂
 how can I get the log from adb?
[17:59] <ubptgbot> Darian was added by: Darian
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/BdmNPD4k.png
 ok this is the log...
 There’s multiple weird things in there, but what stands out to me is the no interface for NetworkManager part
 i think you need to look at syslog perhaps, system-settings log will only have the log for the system settings app, not what network-manager and friends are doing
 @YougoChats, Nah, that's fine. It doesn't do full dbus introspection, is all that means
 You need to look at `/var/log/syslog` to see what's going on
 @Michele, Create hotspot from settings menu. And let it create passwd for you. I didn't get it working with my own passwd.
 @Michele, also is this d820 or d821 ?
[19:26] <ubptgbot> Sergey Shemyakin was added by: Sergey Shemyakin
 @Darian, Hello. Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hi everybody!
 So has anybody tried installing something like GIMP on Ubuntu Touch?
 @rchar66, You can use it via libertine, afaik
 @rchar66, Maybe this is what you're looking for: … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 Yes, that is what I'm talking about. But, has anybody tried it? What is the performance like?
 depends on which device, but performance should mostly be fine. there may be some odd-ish usability issues though, as i don't think gimp has really been tested too heavily
 The three-window thing might completely screw up on a staged device
 Can't it be used as a one window application?
 If it can, I guess that'd fix it
 yes, it works a bit better as the one window app style
 I'm looking to put it on my BQ M10FHD tablet.
 i would say just install it and try. worst case you hate it and uninstall it :)
 @rchar66, I tried it, it creates three windows, there is a little button in the top left of the window that make you change window
 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Just thought I'd ask if anybody has tried it yet.
 Thanks for the help.
 Performance is ok, but for advance use I think not, since XMir has no hardware acceleration on amrhf
[20:56] <ubptgbot> AmolithSeregion was added by: AmolithSeregion
 I need help installing UT on my Nexus 5. Anyone willing to help?
 @AmolithSeregion, https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome seek out the welcome and install room here. Plus lots of other stuff
 @TronFortyTwo, Is there any other programs that might work better than GIMP? For minimal photo editing.
[20:59] <ubptgbot> frozenphone was added by: frozenphone
 @rchar66, I don't know
 @rchar66, There is a webapp…
 My pipe won't light!  … Don't worry.  There's a webapp!
 @rchar66, https://open-store.io/app/instantfx.sverzegnassi maybe?
 There are lots of other apps in the ubuntu archive you can install under libertine too, but i'm not sure how well any of them work specifically under libeertine on the m10 (or elsewhere)
 also i have no idea what the feature sets of them might be
 @dohbee, I have that installed and have used it a couple of times. It works really well. Maybe I should just stick to that app.
 @dohbee, d821
 @samitormanen, thanks I'll try👍🏻
 @Michele, Ah, I know there are some radio related issues on d821, so hotspot may have some problems there too i guess.
 @rchar66, I used gimp and found it OK. There is a setting for one window IIRC. A more lightweight alternative I like is Pinta.
 @rchar66 the photopea web app comes to mind
 Totally, Photopea works great thanks for the hard work of our fellow friends from the Openstore @mateosalta
 :)
 @malditobastardo, +1
 Who's going to MWC?
 I'm heading to Barcelona ASAP and I hope I can catch the event
 MWC is $$$$$$
 Mhmm, we got to go last year because Canonical was super generous
 like, the cheapest pass is 800 EUR
 @dohbee, There are tricks
 Like "Get sponsored by Canonical" :P
 yes, like having your employer send you
 or buying tickets
 You can register without pay it and some generous company usaly pays the bill
[23:17] <ubptgbot> Prhys97 was added by: Prhys97
 can anyone with some regex understanding and five minutes join OT please?
 [Edit] can anyone with some regex understanding and five minutes join @UBports_OT please?
[23:23] <ZeroPointEnergy> halium-boot + UBports Xenial on Samsung Galaxy S7 https://youtu.be/8SHp7WaZueQ , There is probably a lot of stuff not working. But it boots!
 woah
 is that exynos or snapdragon?
[23:23] <ZeroPointEnergy> yes
 but which?
[23:24] <ZeroPointEnergy> Exynos 8890 Octa
 Is there a qcom model of the S7, @Lyokanthrope ?
 yeah
 I'm fairly sure
 darn
 RIP US
 and it has a locked bootloader across the board
 Looks like that didn't stop ZeroPointEnergy
 oh the exynos models are unlocked
[23:25] <ZeroPointEnergy> it was not locked
 I'm saying the (US?) Snapdragon models are locked
[23:26] <ZeroPointEnergy> you just have to tab seven times on the release number :-D
 Yeah, the only place that would get Qcom is US and maybe Japan
 Because CDMA
 And Qualcomm practically owning CDMA
 Yes, US S7 is locked bootloader.  Not sure any exynos models have wide coverage on US LTE bands.  I keep meaning to look into that.
 pretty sure the global exynos model supports most US LTE bands at least on AT&T and T-Mobile
 Right, but not CDMA
 So no Verizon or Sprint
 yep
 business as usual
 Everyone else gets the cool phones
 Verizon ruins everything
 the easy solution is to just not use verizon :V … (yes I know it's not that easy, I'm just being a goof)
 USA needs to join the EU
 The EU was our idea, even. :P
 And Churchill
 Don't give Verizon money
 OT ahem …
 @dohbee, My understanding is they have plenty already
 "Don't give Verizon money" is always on topic. :P
 I meant EU
 Just like "Don't give Apple money" or "Don't give Google money"
 Right
 Well, don't buy wireless anywat
 @UniversalSuperBox, Just don't give any company ever any money
 @Lyokanthrope, Just looked it up, and you are correct.  For some reason I was thinking most Exynos didn't have band 17, which AT&T relied on heavily in my area. … Unfortunately the hand-me-down I could probably get from one of my relatives is a locked down AT&T model.  Grrr.
 @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] Just looked it up, and you are correct.  For some reason I was thinking most Exynos didn't have band 17, which AT&T relied on heavily in my area.  But the S7 does. … Unfortunately the hand-me-down I could probably get from one of my relatives is a locked down AT&T model.  Grrr.
 Buy one from euro ebay