[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:57] <foobarry> seen on my way to work this morning :D https://imgur.com/a/NQe2J
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> we need a matrix law were all console text is green for geeky reasons... :-)
[10:26] <foobarry> any thinderbird users use an alternate search addon to replace b*ng?
[10:34] <foobarry> Works with Thunderbird 11.0 - 31.*
[10:36] <SuperMatt> I haven't used an email client in ages
[10:36] <SuperMatt> Google Inbox does everything I need
[10:37] <foobarry> web client slow if you have 10s of thousands of mails
[10:38] <SuperMatt> I archive everything I don't need to work on
[10:39] <SuperMatt> which means my inbox currently only has 2 emails in it
[10:39] <SuperMatt> tell a lie, it's only 1
[10:39] <foobarry> you're talking to someone with 169 tabs
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I just don't understand that
[10:40] <SuperMatt> it sounds to me like you're working on too many things at once
[10:40] <foobarry> yep.
[10:40] <foobarry> and i'm also a manager so need to switch focus constantly to support my team
[10:55] <foobarry> i opened 40 tabs alone trying to get a newer tensorflow for ppc64le arch
[14:07] <diddledan> I cringe hard every time I hear an american say "soldering" with no L like "soddering"
[14:07]  * zmoylan-pi hands diddledan a donut to calm him down...
[14:09] <penguin42> a jelly donut?
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> these ones are filled with custard...
[14:10] <diddledan> in lethal weapon 3 the driver lady of the armored money van that gets hijacked first off says that murtagh "puts the jam in my jelly roll"!! what voodoo is that? it is jam or jelly?!
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> in usa it can be both...
[14:11] <diddledan> but they moan when we call jam jam
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> is that jam uses whole pieces of fruit, while jelly uses the juice:
[14:13] <penguin42> now you're getting technical
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> if i wanted to get technical about food i'd post a link to the computer error that made half of uk's kfc's shut due to lack of chicken... a fowl, no fowl error... :-)
[14:15] <diddledan> how does a shop that sells only chicken run out of chicken?!
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> they hire new suppliers who promise to do the same job for less
[14:15] <penguin42> DHL are now mentioning the company that does software
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> how hard can the software be, chicken in, chicken out...
[14:16] <penguin42> yeh, even if they fell back to just loading trucks up with the basic supplies and sending them around each shop in the area
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> but then you'd need staff who knew the routes and locations of the shops...
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> but they cost more money than some schlub the dole office sent
[14:17] <diddledan> "We’ve brought a new delivery partner on board, but they’ve had a couple of teething problems" HAH
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> great pic of a chicken mountain going nowhere fast in daily mail i think it was
[14:18] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: you just give them a list of all the locations
[14:19] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I doubt DHLs problem is sending a truck to a location
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> and with the amount of locations they have to cover they won't make it in a day, hence half the shops don't get delieveries
[14:20] <penguin42> nah that's easy; you just send n-trucks
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> but doing it for less means less trucks doing more...
[14:21] <penguin42> yeh but you should be able to do it for the 'oh heck we've screwed up' situation
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> but software doesn't seem able to map a quicker route for supplying
[14:21] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I can't believe that it can be a route problem, I can believe it can be a route+logistics of what supplies are needed where
[14:21] <directhex> truck route mapping is big business
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure their old supplier will loan them the trucks at a very reasonable fee...
[14:22] <directhex> i think it's UPS where their routing software tries to reduce or eliminate left turns (in the US)
[14:22] <directhex> since left turns mean crossing traffic, so take longer
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> yeah but many of their cities are grids whereas in uk and ireland using the 'optimal' route suggested by software will mean taking a left through mrs. murphys front room...
[14:23] <directhex> mrs murphy had it coming
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> she also has connections and will see you going...
[14:25] <diddledan> connections to bristol via salisbury
[14:25] <diddledan> change here for exeter
[14:30] <penguin42> the next big news story will be how many tonnes of out-of-date/rotting unshipped chicken they've had to dump
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> one word... kebab...
[14:44] <Nafallo> ooooh. kebab ♥
[14:45] <diddledan> why do people have such a problem writing "than" always spelling it as "then". e.g. "I'd rather do xyz then abc"
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> just add them to the same list of people who misused literally so much that they changed the meaning of literally to figuratively...
[14:46] <Nafallo> ...add them literally or figuratively?
[14:46] <KrimZon_2_> try to out-'than' them
[14:47] <KrimZon_2_> 'then' rather
[14:51] <diddledan> e.g. 2: "libv4l2: error set_fmt gave us a different result then try_fmt!"
[14:51]  * diddledan swears at delivery man
[14:52] <diddledan> ring door bell and run
[14:54] <diddledan> how do I complain to amazon?
[14:55] <penguin42> there's a button under the order somewhere isn't there?
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan: you order a do it yourself scorpion pit and a large new doormat? :-P
[14:56] <SuperMatt> diddledan: at least you had someone ring the door bell
[14:58] <diddledan> yeah, and then burger off
[14:59] <diddledan> it's not as if I took ages answering
[14:59] <diddledan> I was there within 15 seconds
[15:04] <SuperMatt> Alas we've now created the problem of Amazon drivers. They just have too many deliveries to fulfil
[15:06] <penguin42> yeh, they've got to do the chicken yet
[15:06] <SuperMatt> pffft
[15:06] <penguin42> hmm, the chicken run?
[15:08] <Nafallo> penguin42: "do not run" button ;-)
[15:08] <Nafallo> I love the idea
[15:08] <diddledan> amazon need some kind of feedback system for their drivers to be chastised for ring-and-run failed deliveries
[15:08] <Nafallo> perhaps it should be a tick box.
[15:11] <penguin42> diddledan: It's almost rare for them to bother getting out of the van
[15:12] <diddledan> reply from their support: "To serve you at my best in this situation,  I have personally contacted the carrier and have asked them to deliver the parcel as soon as possible on priority basis without any delay"
[15:15] <SuperMatt> Amazon's support is normally top drawer
[15:16] <diddledan> although there's a slight language barrier with the person who replied, I'll forgive them that though :-p "Rest assured that you will not contact us with these types of hassle"
[15:16] <diddledan> that could be read as *YOU WILL NOT CONTACT US AGAIN*
[15:16] <SuperMatt> heh
[15:16] <diddledan> I get their meaning though
[15:17] <SuperMatt> We've had issues where no one has bothered to ring. My wife is stay-at-home, so they can't get away with it
[15:17] <SuperMatt> I've started adding delivery notes to everything that say if we're not in to deliver to any of the neighbours in the building
[15:17] <diddledan> :-)
[15:56] <NET||abuse> hi there folks, we have an IPSEC vpn to work, and i want to use it with gnome network manager, but i dont know where to set the correct fields for it's config
[15:57] <NET||abuse> in /etc/vpnc/work.conf i have IPSec gateway vpn.work.address    IPSEC ID  blah   IPec secret xyz123 Xauth username me   Domain LONDON  Xauth interactive
[15:58] <NET||abuse> but when i open the NM applet to config a cisco vpn, i don tsee the right field names for those options
[16:00] <NET||abuse> i see gateway, username password, group name, group password
[16:00] <NET||abuse> advanced has some other stuff, but still not the same fields at all
[16:00] <NET||abuse> nothing "IPSec" related
[16:06] <Nafallo> NET||abuse: network-manager-openconnect-gnome is the package you want. It's not just IPSEC, it's also Cisco AnyConnect.
[16:16] <NET||abuse> Nafallo: i already have that installed.
[16:18] <NET||abuse> trying to configure it, there's no fields for IPSec secred, or ID or anything
[16:18] <NET||abuse> DOMAIN
[16:18] <NET||abuse> user
[16:26] <Nafallo> the gateway should provide that dialog when you use the right address, surely?
[16:26] <Nafallo> at least it looks like so in my config.
[17:10] <NET||abuse> Nafallo: that's an ssl vpn, this is an ipsec config i'm trying to get working? no?
[17:21]  * penguin42 used to just run vpnc manually I think
[17:24] <diddledan> I use network-manager-l2tp-gnome along with libreswan (it defaults to installing strongswan which was wonky for me). although that's for an ipsec+l2tp tunnel - if you're just using ipsec alone then no idea
[17:26] <penguin42> fortunately we switched to openvpn at work so that solved itself
[17:33] <diddledan> people usually opt for l2tp/ipsec because it works ootb on windows and macos
[19:47] <diddledan> okie, exspurts, how do I get loonicks to output the console to a usb serial adapter?
[19:48] <penguin42> hmm, I suspect console=ttyUSB0 doesn't work unless you build a kernel with the usb serial and usb adapters compiled in
[19:49] <diddledan> yeah, I tried that but nada
[19:49] <diddledan> I'm trying to get logs of a crash/hang related to intel gfx on my macbook using the ubuntu "mainline kernel" ppa
[19:50] <daftykins> so which kernel upon which release?
[19:51] <diddledan> I'm testing 4.16.0-rc1 right now
[19:51] <diddledan> and buntu 17.10
[19:53] <daftykins> eww
[19:56] <daftykins> definitely reckon it's kernel level eh? not some other layer o' the stack
[19:57] <penguin42> if the network falls off then it's probably kernel
[19:59] <diddledan> fairly sure, yeah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1748678
[20:00] <brobostigon> :12
[20:00] <brobostigon> sorry
[20:00] <diddledan> I was gonna say the exact thing
[20:15] <penguin42> daftykins: How easily can you get it to fail?
[20:16] <diddledan> not easily at all
[20:16] <daftykins> easy, it's a mac - it does it by design ;D
[20:16] <daftykins> didn't see talk of network prior
[20:17] <diddledan> it's only a 13 incher so it's not "too big to fail"
[20:17] <penguin42> steam rollers it....
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> maybe you're networking it wrong... :-P
[20:20] <penguin42> diddledan: I wonder if efi pstore works/is safe on macs
[20:21] <diddledan> lol @ email to full-disclosure - referring to the mozilla updater exe: "this 306kB "large" program is an UPX-compressed 7-zip self-extractor of whopping 394kB size, which contains a single "setup-stub.exe" of 406kB size"
[20:22] <diddledan> pstore?
[20:22] <penguin42> diddledan: It's a kernel feature that lets you store kernel oops/errors into teh EFI non-volatile memory
[20:22] <diddledan> aah, no idea
[20:22] <penguin42> diddledan: Some early uEFIs didn't take too well to it filling up though