[02:05] <FurretUber> There are files on a NTFS partition which aren't opening on LibreOffice. It says the permissions are denied, but I'm sure I have permission to edit that file, as I could edit it with gedit
[03:21] <donofrio> so I got 18.04 installed on my desktop https://apaste.info/PqNs and this is what I see (skipunneededonedrivelogin https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL9DBu6LKTujNlKZ8g) how do I get the video cards to not be redirected all the time....I have a quadhead radion that not only is crazy to get the placement of the four displays but they keep redirecting and disabling sometimes all by themselves when the card is not broken the monitors all 
[03:21] <donofrio> work like they do in windows just ugh....spent last hour just moving display 4 infront of display one buyt you cant just move it they all have to be "touching??
[03:25] <donofrio> if you set it to Normal roation instead of left then no margins are between the displays and everything just works, only does this crazyness when they are all set to Left
[03:27] <donofrio> notice how you cannot see Sarah face.....
[03:40] <donofrio> Odd_Bloke, you still about?
[03:41] <donofrio> alkisg, you still around and have a moment to review my weirdvideo
[03:47] <tfgbd_> How do I turn off the accererometer?
[03:47] <tfgbd_> Everything seems to work but bluetooth and the touchscreen
[03:47] <tfgbd_> The accererometer works in the opposite way it is supposed to
[03:47] <tfgbd_> When I hold it in portrait it rotates to landscape and vice versa
[05:22] <donofrio> anyone here use monitors rotated "Left?"
[07:01] <donofrio> o.0
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> morning TJ- 
[07:34] <flocculant> morning lotuspsychje :)
[07:34] <TJ-> g'morning :)
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> hey flocculant :p
[07:35] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: do you see odd flashing text at the grub screen? 
[07:35] <flocculant> or indeed anyone else ;)
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: no
[07:35] <flocculant> sigh 
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> bionic desktop running neat here
[07:35] <flocculant> another one of thos flocculant is the only one to see things then :D
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> haha
[07:36] <flocculant> oh it runs fine - just grub is screwed up a bit lol
[07:36] <TJ-> flocculant: is it because GRUB is in graphics mode?
[07:36] <flocculant> TJ-: no idea 
[07:36] <TJ-> Sometimes see that when the firmware doesn't support mode-changes correctly
[07:36] <flocculant> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/357858777/grub.mp4
[07:36] <flocculant> is moving about in the menu
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> wow thats weird
[07:37] <flocculant> yup 
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> at grub, graphics card cant be affected yet right?
[07:37] <TJ-> flocculant: is that in a virtual machine ?
[07:37] <flocculant> TJ-:  that is 
[07:37] <TJ-> flocculant: thought so :) which hypervisor?
[07:38] <flocculant> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/356178167/grub_menu.mp4
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> after grub you dont have those lags anymore?
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> i got those flickers all over on xorg
[07:39] <flocculant> TJ-: last one is hardware where it just flashes when left alone, but the 'vm' vid is an accurate representation of what I see on hardware if I move about
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> on my old ati desktop
[07:39] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: fine after grub :0
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> so weird
[07:39] <flocculant> just looks rather rubbish - but if it's just me then I can cope :)
[07:39] <TJ-> flocculant: EFI firmware, or BIOS?
[07:39] <flocculant> TJ-: bios
[07:41] <flocculant> probably some abstract bug relying on a very specific set of hardware
[07:41] <TJ-> flocculant: in the 2nd video of the actual PC, you notice the PC's firmware logo is still top-right before GRUB asks BIOS to clear screen so it can draw it's menu... it looks like the BIOS there isn't correctly reseting it's idea of the console. Put GRUB into text-mode console and it'll be fine.
[07:42] <TJ-> flocculant: I've seen that alot in BIOS firmware where they no longer care about correctly implementing VGA graphics modes
[07:42] <flocculant> TJ-: ok - but then the vm is set to however qemu does it's defaults afaik
[07:43] <flocculant> TJ-: also I'm not particularly worried about me - more if it's likely to be seen by people installing 18.04 for 5 years :D
[07:43] <TJ-> flocculant: the 1st example was a different issue; that looked to me like a hypervisor screen-scaling issue, which I've seen before. I seem to recall there were issues with the seabios firmware for QEMU at one time that would exhibit that in some GFX modes
[07:44] <flocculant> TJ-: ack - finally - didn't see this a while ago - think it appeared post a grub update
[07:44] <TJ-> flocculant: in your 2nd video you can clearly see at the bottom of the screen the font mapping has changed, and the screen has effectively shrunk so it ends earlier due to the new font being not so tall as the one being used.
[07:45] <TJ-> flocculant: and presumably the firmware didn't think to blank the screen when redrawing with the newer, not-so-tall font
[07:46] <TJ-> I've never understood why GRUB is put into GFX mode at all; it's not like it's needed, and it only introduces problems. For the time it's on screen when you need it you want reliable, not pretty/fancy
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: did you try this on physical install instead of vm?
[07:47] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: 2nd video is on physical
[07:47] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: the wobbly video is hardware :D
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> ah sorry
[07:48] <flocculant> I'll point will cooke at it - if they can replicate it and care it'll get done before release I guess
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: tested the same on other iso's?
[07:51] <flocculant> I have a purple version ;)
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> like xenial
[07:52] <flocculant> no need - I know what was ok, also this has happened 'during' this dev cycle - was fine before I reported it at beginning of Feb
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> kk
[07:56] <flocculant> TJ- lotuspsychje - thanks regardless of the outcome :)
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: ill test if i can reproduce on my bionic machines next reboot
[08:03] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: okey doke
[09:32] <feridot> I have a few suggestions regarding the data collection proposal, is there a launchpad bug opened?
[09:39] <feridot> 1) use a tor onion service to guarantee the user's ip remains private and to authenticate the server endpoint (so for example a CA cant issue their own certificate and impersonate ubuntu.com and collect user data)
[09:41] <feridot> 2) use an appropriate differential privacy algorithm to give individuals privacy in the dataset as a whole https://github.com/menisadi/awesome-differential-privacy
[12:06] <donofrio> so I got 18.04 installed on my desktop https://apaste.info/PqNs and this is what I see (skipunneededonedrivelogin https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL9DBu6LKTujNlKZ8g) how do I get the video cards to not be redirected all the time....I have a quadhead radion that not only is crazy to get the placement of the four displays but they keep redirecting and disabling sometimes all by themselves when the card is not broken the monitors all 
[12:06] <donofrio> work like they do in windows just ugh....last night I spent an hour just moving display 4 infront of display one but you can't just move it they all have to be "touching??"
[12:06] <donofrio> if you set it to Normal roation instead of left then no margins are between the displays and everything just works, only does this crazyness when they are all set to Left
[14:17] <FurretUber> Regarding the grub menu with the graphical error, I'm having this issue too. It's slightly different: https://youtu.be/wKUBOAx73k4
[14:18] <FurretUber> It's on a physical machine
[14:20] <FurretUber> And there is a LibreOffice bug I've found, I think it can cause a lot of problems (at least it caused to me): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1750707
[15:05] <FurretUber> nacc: may you look at a intel-gpu-tools bug I've reported? After I've reported it it's shown on the top of the page "The information on this page is private." (if you are allowed to see this bug, of course). Thank you
[15:23] <flocculant> FurretUber: thanks - also nice to see someone I don't know about using xubuntu 18.04 :)
[16:12] <nacc> FurretUber: i can look, link (feel free to PM me)
[16:12] <nacc> FurretUber: although if it's a private bug, no one can see the contents without permission
[16:59] <donofrio> I rebulit my right desktop last two hours - tinyurl.com/donofrio1804 - did anyone have any answers as to how to get the four monitors to touch each side even when Roation set to Left...right now it only seems happy when Rotatio set to Normal ;(
[17:00] <donofrio> now I'm at work 1804 on both desktop's using wsl and windows 10 1709 build ;)
[17:04] <donofrio> here id what I'm seeing in basement quad head 1804 install (why are monitor thumbnails "soooooooooooo tiny???" https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL9ItcW_0KHPpAodIA
[17:24] <Odd_Bloke> donofrio: That's not the monitor configuration screen I see; how are you getting to that?
[17:24] <Odd_Bloke> (Are you running Ubuntu 18.04, or a flavour?)
[17:27] <donofrio> 18.04
[17:27] <donofrio> and that is the "Displays" applet from system settings
[17:27] <donofrio> going from photo and memory cause I'm at work right now
[17:28] <donofrio> mate I think is the variant (wanted pure xfce4 but of well...figure they should all work basically the same)
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> OK, if you're using MATE then IHNI.
[17:29] <donofrio> how do I turn off the mandatory north north magnet like repulsion for a display to be near a display when in Rotate Left orientation 
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> It WFM on regular old Ubuntu.
[17:30] <donofrio> didn't want mate just grabbed the daily offering and wrote it to usb key and bulit it last night
[17:30] <donofrio> wfm (whole foods market?)
[17:30] <Odd_Bloke> Works For Me.
[17:31] <donofrio> my rebuilt desktop at work is going great with 18.04 in wsl on windows 10 build 1709 (tinyurl.com/donofrio1804) very cool.....thank you all for helping me and for listening to my ramblings
[17:32] <donofrio> Odd_Bloke, are you portrate or landscape (seems to snap the display together when set to landscape/normal but repells them when set to Left Rotation
[17:33] <Odd_Bloke> donofrio: https://photos.app.goo.gl/57l10WkB0YCOYpJp2
[17:33] <Odd_Bloke> But it could just be a MATE bug, not an all-of-Ubuntu bug.
[17:34] <Odd_Bloke> (I'm not really sure how bugs in MATE etc. are handled.)
[17:37] <donofrio> I've installed xfce* and it still doesn that but *only* in "Left" Orientation its fine in "Normal" mode.
[17:38] <donofrio> oh i didn't try in that control panel....what happens when both are left for your setup?
[17:45] <FurretUber> donofrio: I've tried to use one monitor on my notebook (that's what I have available now): https://i.imgur.com/nMKcUIX.png
[17:47] <donofrio> FurretUber, 18.04?  not xfce4 what variant is that install?
[17:48] <donofrio> oh and how would I go about using the "Arrow Keys" or some keys to move the displays around (what happens/how do you deal with) what happens when you have 32 displays.....ugh....
[17:48] <FurretUber> It's Xubuntu 18.04
[17:52] <flocculant> donofrio: have you reported bug yet? 
[17:53] <donofrio> no not yet, just wanted to find someone else that encountered it so I know it's not just me...I'll check my memory stick to see what ubuntu 18.04 varient I installed first thing when I get home tonight
[18:13] <alkisg> donofrio: rm .config/monitors.xml => remove your settings, then use only xrandr to arrange monitors => that then is DE agnostic, is doesn't matter if you use mate or anything else
[18:47] <donofrio> alkisg, thanks I'll try that in five hours
[20:50] <BLZbubba> bionic desktop + nvidia-384 - nvidia-persistenced refuses to start, and something keeps enabling it even after I disabled it
[20:50] <BLZbubba> making the console and X useless
[20:50] <BLZbubba> any idea how to fix this one?
[20:53] <BLZbubba> Xorg.0.log says: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[20:53] <Bashing-om> BLZbubba: Which session ?  what shows ' echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE ' ?
[20:54] <BLZbubba> i can't get a session, X won't start
[20:54] <BLZbubba> this is a fresh bionic install, all I did after that was: sudo apt-get install nvidia-384
[20:54] <BLZbubba> and then reboot
[20:55] <BLZbubba> and then chmod a-x /usr/lib/nvidia-384/bin/nvidia-persistenced
[20:55] <Bashing-om> BLZbubba: at the login screen, what results with key combo clt+alt+F2 ?
[20:56] <BLZbubba> there is no login screen, gdm keeps relaunching X every second or two
[20:56] <BLZbubba> i have openssh-server installed and i'm trying things remotely to get X to start
[20:58] <Bashing-om> BLZbubba: Above my skill set here as can not launch a TTY .
[21:00] <BLZbubba> i killed nvidia-persistenced, so the consoles work now
[21:04] <BLZbubba> running "X" from the console works
[21:42] <BLZbubba> ah, no screen plugged in. 
[21:42] <BLZbubba> i guess our headless test is going to be more complicated