[05:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:34] <lotuspsychje_> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-donates-ubuntu-phones-to-ubports-to-continue-ubuntu-touch-development-519877.shtml
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:20] <lotuspsychje_> hey lordievader
[07:20] <lotuspsychje_> cold here today
[07:20] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje_ How are you doing?
[07:20] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[07:20] <lordievader> Yeah, indeed.
[07:20] <ducasse> hi lordievader, lotuspsychje_
[07:20] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:20] <lotuspsychje_> hey ducasse modem day :p
[07:21] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yep, picking it up a bit later - got to wake up first :)
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:23] <ducasse> what are you guys up to?
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> bit irc before work here
[07:23] <jink> Yes.
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> morning jink
[07:23] <jink> lotuspsychje: Why not at work?
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> jink: i start at 11
[07:24] <jink> I get that.  I mean the other question. :)
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> its too early for riddles
[07:24] <jink> Why can't you IRC at work?
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> in the kitchen? lol
[07:25] <jink> You work in a kitchen?
[07:25] <jink> Fijn, doe maar zo. :P
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> yes part time
[07:25] <jink> Ok, so that won't work.
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> nop :p
[07:25] <ducasse> \o jink
[07:26] <jink> I kind assumed this channel was full of IT nerds, with IT jobs.
[07:26] <jink> Hey ducasse. :)
[07:26] <jink> brb, coffee, tea.
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> jink: my other job is IT
[07:28] <lordievader> jink: Haven't you learned that assumptions are dangerous?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:28] <jink> lordievader: :D
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> few bionic updates again
[07:31] <jink> "Ears 2.1: you can now configure your audible range."
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[07:32] <jink> Yeah, I know. xD
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> 8th march beta1
[07:33] <jink> But you know, bionic.
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> hi
[08:46] <akik> i'm in disbelief about what canonical is planning to do with the data collection of the installation
[08:46] <akik> the right way is to set it as a opt-in option, not opt-out
[08:48] <ducasse> agreed, would think they'd learned from the amazon thing
[08:49] <akik> they are saying it helps fix bugs faster. it took them 1.5 years to acknowledge   bug i filed about black text on black background in firefox, with the message "is this thing still a problem?"
[08:49] <ducasse> :)
[08:50] <TJ-> Originally we had the data collection and popcon as standard but it was dropped, possibly around 2010 due to lack of interest. Belately someone's realised we need statistics to help focus resources where they're most needed
[08:50] <akik> michael tunnel was on jupiter broadcasting irc channel yesterday and we had a long discussion, me saying it's not ok and he  defending the decision
[08:50] <ducasse> which packages are responsible for doing this?
[08:52] <TJ-> It's proposed to be  a 1-time hardware report at install time
[08:52] <akik> i read that it'll also enable popcon
[08:52] <TJ-> Same place as the 'install 3rd party drivers?" question I believe
[08:53] <TJ-> but for package popularity it'll be popcon I assume
[08:54] <TJ-> Seems to me, SEEMS TO ME, (hehe) that popcon isn't needed! Just analyse the archive.ubuntu.com server logs and count the downloads of packages divided by the dowloads of the release files
[08:55] <akik> i bet there would be enough people who want to submit this data if they ask for it
[08:56] <TJ-> The hardware data is very valuable now there are so many devices out there; it would help identify firmware bug trends rapidly
[09:01] <akik> * Popcon would be installed.  This will allow us to spot trends in package
[09:01] <akik> usage and help us to  focus on the packages which are of most value to our
[09:01] <akik> users.
[09:02] <akik> and also automatic apport reports
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-wants-to-collect-some-data-from-ubuntu-users-to-improve-new-releases-519815.shtml
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> feedback here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-February/040139.html
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> in a bad way, this information could be exploited right?
[09:19] <akik> anonymous data, when you collect it enough, tends to be not so anonymous
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> i also would rather see this package as 'optional'
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> leaving it to the users choice has always been my favorite way for everything
[09:25] <TJ-> Back around 2006 the installer asked users to contribute by using popcon and collecting info and it felt like a positive experience; that should just be brought back
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> seems like this still works: popularity-contest | less
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPopularityContest
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[09:33] <LtWorf> does the ubuntu popcon work differently than the debian one? I remember someone telling me that the ubuntu one doesn't count uninstalls
[10:37] <akik> LtWorf: don't know about the differences but this checkbox would enable popcon automatically
[10:37] <akik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-February/040170.html "If the box is left checked, then popcon would get installed.  In the normal
[10:37] <akik> desktop installer there isn't an option for that any more.  There used to
[10:37] <akik> be in the past, and there was an option to turn it on in Software Sources,
[10:37] <akik> but that went away ages ago.  10.04 I think."
[10:38] <akik> although it says popcon would be installed, i gather that it would be enabled
[10:38] <akik> i have it installed on 16.04 and for sure i didn't ask for it
[10:39] <LtWorf> well it's opt out no?
[10:39] <akik> that's the issue
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[13:29] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[13:33] <LtWorf> hi pauljw
[13:34] <pauljw> hi LtWorf
[14:00] <akik> i hope the date at the bottom here https://popcon.ubuntu.com/ is not correct
[14:00] <akik> otherwise it would seem nobody's submitting anything
[14:05] <LtWorf> ubuntu's popcon is not very informative, debian makes charts per package
[14:05] <LtWorf> https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=python-xtermcolor
[18:11] <EriC^^> hmm why is #ubuntu +r ?
[18:14] <TJ-> Spam attack
[18:14] <OerHeks> from #devuan .. i wonder if their ops know about this now
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:42] <OerHeks> ay lotuspsychje
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> hey hey OerHeks
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> friend was happy with his artful box OerHeks ?
[18:46] <OerHeks> friend?
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: you gave it to yourself?
[18:47] <OerHeks> ehm not sure what box you talk about; i just got a free laptop
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats the one i mean
[18:48] <OerHeks> spare machine that was eating dus, he also has some win7 machines waiting for an user...
[18:48] <OerHeks> if i would care, i got a win7 machine...
[18:48] <OerHeks> but no, this is fun, i played youtube from my bedroom this morning
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> cool
[18:49] <OerHeks> yes, that is why i stayed in bed after 1st coffee
[18:49] <OerHeks> brrrrrrrrr
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> -4 today here
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> got tears in my eyes from riding my bike
[19:06] <hggdh> and here (Dallas, TX) we dropped around 18C from yesterday to today
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> wow
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> thats freezing hggdh
[19:07] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: it is... today is around 0C :-)
[19:07] <hggdh> in the capital of the influenza...
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: you guys have this every year such colds?
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> those are siberian temps oO
[19:10] <hggdh> not quite normal. Usually we get some sub-freezing spells (this year we reached around -9C for a few days)
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> thats cold enough already brrr
[19:11] <hggdh> but most of the times it is between +6C to +15C
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> we never get more then -5 in belgium
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah like 20 years ago i walked on the sea once
[19:12] <hggdh> on the other hand, apart from a bit of snow dusting once this winter, no snow, no icy rain. So far
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> good, we dont need that :p
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> we had 1 night snow
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys tv time
[22:16] <OerHeks> bing .. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dsBBS7G8hb/