| Nafallo | morgnin | 07:23 |
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| Nafallo | morning | 07:23 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 09:01 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 10:50 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 10:55 |
| SuperMatt | hey | 11:43 |
| brobostigon | hi | 11:45 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
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| diddledan | oh dear, the register has picked up freebsd's antihugging: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/21/freebsd_code_of_conduct_controversy/ | 14:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | depending on where you from are hugging is ok or makes people very uncomfortable... | 14:10 |
| * diddledan gets on his knees and hugs zmoylan-pi | 14:16 | |
| diddledan | damned leprechauns | 14:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | i remember been at a party in dublin that was almost 100% non irish, just me and a mate from dublin. an italian woman introduced to us taking her leave goes to hug everyone... | 14:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | both me and my mate turned her down. she observed that in ireland no one hugs. i just said we do but only after quite a while. just different custom | 14:20 |
| diddledan | I'm a hugger | 14:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | is that a typo? :-P | 14:21 |
| diddledan | fugger? | 14:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | lugger!! duh! | 14:22 |
| diddledan | mugger! | 14:22 |
| diddledan | gimme your monies | 14:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | jugger... *hic* | 14:22 |
| diddledan | waaah: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/20/crunch_time_maplin_in_talks_to_sell_the_business/ | 14:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | i hope they survive | 14:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | they might need to close a few stores though... | 14:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's nice been able to walk in to shop and see odds and sods you see nowhere else... | 14:33 |
| penguin42 | like 512MB DIMMs | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | at ludicrous prices | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: I can't quite figure out why they're talking to edinburgh wollen mill though | 14:49 |
| diddledan | aye, me either | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | imho the best place to sell it to would be Argos; close all the stores and then just put their entire catalog into Argos's - they can succesfully manage holding a large amount of stock and making it appear at a store | 14:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | save a bit on rent... | 14:54 |
| penguin42 | then we just need robotic component dispensors; it's got to be doable with reasonable accuracy | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | that's why components come on tape reels... | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | of course maplin don't sell any SMD stuff | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | and barely any components these days | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | the question is where would you put them | 15:15 |
| SuperMatt | vlc3 chromecast support++++++++++++++ | 15:31 |
| SuperMatt | also snaps for allowing me to install vlc3+++++++++++++++++ | 15:31 |
| diddledan | something's a bit off with google play's categorisation of music: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/o5KfMvco/ | 15:32 |
| SuperMatt | I think it got confused by all the candles | 15:33 |
| penguin42 | nice | 15:34 |
| m0nkey_ | What is this 'snap' thing all about. I keep seeing it, but it means nothing to me. I'm old school using apt on Debian, yum on RedHat and pkg on FreeBSD. | 15:39 |
| ali1234 | its just another application bundle system | 15:39 |
| m0nkey_ | OK, so just another package manager. | 15:40 |
| ali1234 | no, it isn't a package manager | 15:40 |
| m0nkey_ | OK then, like .deb and .rpm files? | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | no, it does not have dependencies | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | indeed | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | it has a platform and self contained application bundles | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | and "sandboxing but not really if you actually want to do anything useful" | 15:41 |
| m0nkey_ | So it's another standard? | 15:42 |
| penguin42 | m0nkey_: The theory is you should be able to install a snap anywhere without any other dependencies | 15:43 |
| ali1234 | not really. it isn't designed to have competing implementations | 15:43 |
| ali1234 | you can't install snaps anywhere | 15:43 |
| ali1234 | you can only install them on ubuntu | 15:44 |
| penguin42 | m0nkey_: So it's not like deb/rpm etc in the sense that it's not supposed to drive dependencies | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | specifically ubuntu core | 15:44 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I thought the idea was that it was more general | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | no? | 15:44 |
| m0nkey_ | https://xkcd.com/927/ :) | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | if you install a snap on red hat it downloads ubuntu core | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | if you install a snap on ubuntu desktop it downloads ubuntu core! | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | so you can't install them on any hardware that can't run ubuntu | 15:45 |
| ali1234 | nor any kernel that can't run ubuntu | 15:45 |
| diddledan | ali1234: it doesn't download ubuntu core - it downloads a "base snap" which is called "core" due to legacy reasons. There's no limitation that requires your snap be based on ubuntu | 15:46 |
| diddledan | for example, linux-steam-integration actually uses a base snap of the solus distribution | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | true | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | but each snap only works with exactly one platform snap | 15:48 |
| diddledan | there's no reason to make it work with a different platform snap | 15:49 |
| diddledan | the platform snap is merely an implementation detail. the user doesn't care | 15:49 |
| diddledan | the packager can use whichever platform they prefer, and the user gets a working snap whatever the packager chose | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | so how many platforms are available? | 15:50 |
| diddledan | right now, one, if you exclude the solus used for linux-steam-integration because that's specialised for the steam snap. the reason there aren't more is because nobody has stepped-up from those other distributions to make theirs | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | i asked about making a raspbian base snap about 2 years ago but they told me it wasn't possible yet | 15:52 |
| ali1234 | linux-steam-integration isn't in the snap store | 15:53 |
| diddledan | yes it is | 15:53 |
| diddledan | it's in edge channel right now though | 15:53 |
| diddledan | the base snap is called solus-runtime-gaming, again it's in edge right now | 15:54 |
| SuperMatt | I'd be inerested to know if full desktop environments can be snapped. It'd be nice to be on 18.04, but keep my gnome up to date with snaps | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | if it's classic mode i don't see why not | 15:59 |
| SuperMatt | +++ | 16:00 |
| ali1234 | hmm looks like youtube have messed up and demonetized everyone and also broken their platform at the same time | 16:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | what are people going to do? move to a different platform? :-P | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | hopefully all the "vloggers" will take their clickbait rubbish elsewhere | 16:13 |
| penguin42 | the problem is the tabloids hounded the advertisers about getting shown on any video that didn't quite match the tabloids view of good | 16:18 |
| penguin42 | interesting, I've got a bank that fails a symantec cert on both fedora and ubuntu live CDs but works on both fedora and ubuntu systems I hav einstalled | 17:35 |
| ging | penguin42: there was a weird issue with chromium-browser a while back that was something along the lines that if the build was more than 30 days old, it stopped trusting symantec | 19:36 |
| ging | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380 | 19:40 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1641380 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser: ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED for Symantec certs" [Critical,Fix released] | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | since being forced to implement ssl everywhere i've found it can be pretty weird | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | like i had two servers... one worked fine, the other gave an untrusted certificate error | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | but they both used the same certificate | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | it turns out you have to also supply the trust chain bundle because not every browser has it | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | and the CAs like to split themselves up into loads of different organizations | 19:43 |
| penguin42 | ging: Ah thanks! | 19:50 |
| penguin42 | ging: It was that cert | 19:50 |
| foobarry | guys, i need bday present ideas | 19:51 |
| penguin42 | chocolate | 19:51 |
| foobarry | i'm struggling right now to think of anything | 19:51 |
| foobarry | i got chocolate for valentines day | 19:51 |
| penguin42 | more chocolate? | 19:51 |
| ging | a dragon | 19:55 |
| penguin42 | foobarry: Cake? | 19:56 |
| foobarry | hmm | 20:03 |
| foobarry | i've already had a tux cake. can't really beat that | 20:03 |
| * penguin42 gulps - which bit did you eat first? | 20:03 | |
| foobarry | https://www.flickr.com/photos/7719963@N06/5330687272 | 20:06 |
| foobarry | had already started to melt/blend by the time i took a photo | 20:06 |
| penguin42 | foobarry: It's disturbing that the previous picture is an actual penguin | 20:08 |
| foobarry | :o | 20:08 |
| foobarry | didn't notice | 20:08 |
| diddledan | the rock man in thor ragnarock with the south african accent is awesome hilarious | 22:58 |
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