[07:23] <Nafallo> morgnin
[07:23] <Nafallo> morning
[09:01] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:55] <brobostigon> o/
[11:43] <SuperMatt> hey
[11:45] <brobostigon> hi
[14:08] <diddledan> oh dear, the register has picked up freebsd's antihugging: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/21/freebsd_code_of_conduct_controversy/
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> depending on where you from are hugging is ok or makes people very uncomfortable...
[14:16]  * diddledan gets on his knees and hugs zmoylan-pi 
[14:16] <diddledan> damned leprechauns
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> i remember been at a party in dublin that was almost 100% non irish, just me and a mate from dublin.  an italian woman introduced to us taking her leave goes to hug everyone...
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> both me and my mate turned her down.  she observed that in ireland no one hugs. i just said we do but only after quite a while. just different custom
[14:20] <diddledan> I'm a hugger
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> is that a typo? :-P
[14:21] <diddledan> fugger?
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> lugger!! duh!
[14:22] <diddledan> mugger!
[14:22] <diddledan> gimme your monies
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> jugger... *hic*
[14:31] <diddledan> waaah: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/20/crunch_time_maplin_in_talks_to_sell_the_business/
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> i hope they survive
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> they might need to close a few stores though...
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's nice been able to walk in to shop and see odds and sods you see nowhere else...
[14:49] <penguin42> like 512MB DIMMs
[14:49] <penguin42> at ludicrous prices
[14:49] <penguin42> diddledan: I can't quite figure out why they're talking to edinburgh wollen mill though
[14:49] <diddledan> aye, me either
[14:53] <penguin42> imho the best place to sell it to would be Argos; close all the stores and then just put their entire catalog into Argos's - they can succesfully manage holding a large amount of stock and making it appear at a store
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> save a bit on rent...
[14:57] <penguin42> then we just need robotic component dispensors; it's got to be doable with reasonable accuracy
[15:09] <ali1234> that's why components come on tape reels...
[15:09] <ali1234> of course maplin don't sell any SMD stuff
[15:09] <ali1234> and barely any components these days
[15:15] <penguin42> the question is where would you put them
[15:31] <SuperMatt> vlc3 chromecast support++++++++++++++
[15:31] <SuperMatt> also snaps for allowing me to install vlc3+++++++++++++++++
[15:32] <diddledan> something's a bit off with google play's categorisation of music:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/o5KfMvco/
[15:33] <SuperMatt> I think it got confused by all the candles
[15:34] <penguin42> nice
[15:39] <m0nkey_> What is this 'snap' thing all about. I keep seeing it, but it means nothing to me. I'm old school using apt on Debian, yum on RedHat and pkg on FreeBSD.
[15:39] <ali1234> its just another application bundle system
[15:40] <m0nkey_> OK, so just another package manager.
[15:40] <ali1234> no, it isn't a package manager
[15:41] <m0nkey_> OK then, like .deb and .rpm files?
[15:41] <ali1234> no, it does not have dependencies
[15:41] <SuperMatt> indeed
[15:41] <ali1234> it has a platform and self contained application bundles
[15:41] <ali1234> and "sandboxing but not really if you actually want to do anything useful"
[15:42] <m0nkey_> So it's another standard?
[15:43] <penguin42> m0nkey_: The theory is you should be able to install a snap anywhere without any other dependencies
[15:43] <ali1234> not really. it isn't designed to have competing implementations
[15:43] <ali1234> you can't install snaps anywhere
[15:44] <ali1234> you can only install them on ubuntu
[15:44] <penguin42> m0nkey_: So it's not like deb/rpm etc in the sense that it's not supposed to drive dependencies
[15:44] <ali1234> specifically ubuntu core
[15:44] <penguin42> ali1234: I thought the idea was that it was more general
[15:44] <ali1234> no?
[15:44] <m0nkey_> https://xkcd.com/927/ :)
[15:44] <ali1234> if you install a snap on red hat it downloads ubuntu core
[15:44] <ali1234> if you install a snap on ubuntu desktop it downloads ubuntu core!
[15:45] <ali1234> so you can't install them on any hardware that can't run ubuntu
[15:45] <ali1234> nor any kernel that can't run ubuntu
[15:46] <diddledan> ali1234: it doesn't download ubuntu core - it downloads a "base snap" which is called "core" due to legacy reasons. There's no limitation that requires your snap be based on ubuntu
[15:47] <diddledan> for example, linux-steam-integration actually uses a base snap of the solus distribution
[15:47] <ali1234> true
[15:48] <ali1234> but each snap only works with exactly one platform snap
[15:49] <diddledan> there's no reason to make it work with a different platform snap
[15:49] <diddledan> the platform snap is merely an implementation detail. the user doesn't care
[15:50] <diddledan> the packager can use whichever platform they prefer, and the user gets a working snap whatever the packager chose
[15:50] <ali1234> so how many platforms are available?
[15:51] <diddledan> right now, one, if you exclude the solus used for linux-steam-integration because that's specialised for the steam snap. the reason there aren't more is because nobody has stepped-up from those other distributions to make theirs
[15:52] <ali1234> i asked about making a raspbian base snap about 2 years ago but they told me it wasn't possible yet
[15:53] <ali1234> linux-steam-integration isn't in the snap store
[15:53] <diddledan> yes it is
[15:53] <diddledan> it's in edge channel right now though
[15:54] <diddledan> the base snap is called solus-runtime-gaming, again it's in edge right now
[15:59] <SuperMatt> I'd be inerested to know if full desktop environments can be snapped. It'd be nice to be on 18.04, but keep my gnome up to date with snaps
[15:59] <ali1234> if it's classic mode i don't see why not
[16:00] <SuperMatt> +++
[16:09] <ali1234> hmm looks like youtube have messed up and demonetized everyone and also broken their platform at the same time
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> what are people going to do? move to a different platform? :-P
[16:13] <ali1234> hopefully all the "vloggers" will take their clickbait rubbish elsewhere
[16:18] <penguin42> the problem is the tabloids hounded the advertisers about getting shown on any video that didn't quite match the tabloids view of good
[17:35] <penguin42> interesting, I've got a bank that fails a symantec cert on both fedora and ubuntu live CDs but works on both fedora and ubuntu systems I hav einstalled
[19:36] <ging> penguin42: there was a weird issue with chromium-browser a while back that was something along the lines that if the build was more than 30 days old, it stopped trusting symantec
[19:40] <ging> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380
[19:41] <ali1234> since being forced to implement ssl everywhere i've found it can be pretty weird
[19:42] <ali1234> like i had two servers... one worked fine, the other gave an untrusted certificate error
[19:42] <ali1234> but they both used the same certificate
[19:42] <ali1234> it turns out you have to also supply the trust chain bundle because not every browser has it
[19:43] <ali1234> and the CAs like to split themselves up into loads of different organizations
[19:50] <penguin42> ging: Ah thanks!
[19:50] <penguin42> ging: It was that cert
[19:51] <foobarry> guys, i need bday present ideas
[19:51] <penguin42> chocolate
[19:51] <foobarry> i'm struggling right now to think of anything
[19:51] <foobarry> i got chocolate for valentines day
[19:51] <penguin42> more chocolate?
[19:55] <ging> a dragon
[19:56] <penguin42> foobarry: Cake?
[20:03] <foobarry> hmm
[20:03] <foobarry> i've already had a tux cake. can't really beat that
[20:03]  * penguin42 gulps - which bit did you eat first?
[20:06] <foobarry> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7719963@N06/5330687272
[20:06] <foobarry> had already started to melt/blend by the time i took a photo
[20:08] <penguin42> foobarry: It's disturbing that the previous picture is an actual penguin
[20:08] <foobarry> :o
[20:08] <foobarry> didn't notice
[22:58] <diddledan> the rock man in thor ragnarock with the south african accent is awesome hilarious