[07:23] morgnin [07:23] morning [09:01] morning [09:41] morning boys and girls. [10:50] o/ [10:55] o/ [11:43] hey [11:45] hi === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:08] oh dear, the register has picked up freebsd's antihugging: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/21/freebsd_code_of_conduct_controversy/ [14:10] depending on where you from are hugging is ok or makes people very uncomfortable... [14:16] * diddledan gets on his knees and hugs zmoylan-pi [14:16] damned leprechauns [14:19] i remember been at a party in dublin that was almost 100% non irish, just me and a mate from dublin. an italian woman introduced to us taking her leave goes to hug everyone... [14:20] both me and my mate turned her down. she observed that in ireland no one hugs. i just said we do but only after quite a while. just different custom [14:20] I'm a hugger [14:21] is that a typo? :-P [14:21] fugger? [14:22] lugger!! duh! [14:22] mugger! [14:22] gimme your monies [14:22] jugger... *hic* [14:31] waaah: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/20/crunch_time_maplin_in_talks_to_sell_the_business/ [14:32] i hope they survive [14:32] they might need to close a few stores though... [14:33] it's nice been able to walk in to shop and see odds and sods you see nowhere else... [14:49] like 512MB DIMMs [14:49] at ludicrous prices [14:49] diddledan: I can't quite figure out why they're talking to edinburgh wollen mill though [14:49] aye, me either [14:53] imho the best place to sell it to would be Argos; close all the stores and then just put their entire catalog into Argos's - they can succesfully manage holding a large amount of stock and making it appear at a store [14:54] save a bit on rent... [14:57] then we just need robotic component dispensors; it's got to be doable with reasonable accuracy [15:09] that's why components come on tape reels... [15:09] of course maplin don't sell any SMD stuff [15:09] and barely any components these days [15:15] the question is where would you put them [15:31] vlc3 chromecast support++++++++++++++ [15:31] also snaps for allowing me to install vlc3+++++++++++++++++ [15:32] something's a bit off with google play's categorisation of music: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/o5KfMvco/ [15:33] I think it got confused by all the candles [15:34] nice [15:39] What is this 'snap' thing all about. I keep seeing it, but it means nothing to me. I'm old school using apt on Debian, yum on RedHat and pkg on FreeBSD. [15:39] its just another application bundle system [15:40] OK, so just another package manager. [15:40] no, it isn't a package manager [15:41] OK then, like .deb and .rpm files? [15:41] no, it does not have dependencies [15:41] indeed [15:41] it has a platform and self contained application bundles [15:41] and "sandboxing but not really if you actually want to do anything useful" [15:42] So it's another standard? [15:43] m0nkey_: The theory is you should be able to install a snap anywhere without any other dependencies [15:43] not really. it isn't designed to have competing implementations [15:43] you can't install snaps anywhere [15:44] you can only install them on ubuntu [15:44] m0nkey_: So it's not like deb/rpm etc in the sense that it's not supposed to drive dependencies [15:44] specifically ubuntu core [15:44] ali1234: I thought the idea was that it was more general [15:44] no? [15:44] https://xkcd.com/927/ :) [15:44] if you install a snap on red hat it downloads ubuntu core [15:44] if you install a snap on ubuntu desktop it downloads ubuntu core! [15:45] so you can't install them on any hardware that can't run ubuntu [15:45] nor any kernel that can't run ubuntu [15:46] ali1234: it doesn't download ubuntu core - it downloads a "base snap" which is called "core" due to legacy reasons. There's no limitation that requires your snap be based on ubuntu [15:47] for example, linux-steam-integration actually uses a base snap of the solus distribution [15:47] true [15:48] but each snap only works with exactly one platform snap [15:49] there's no reason to make it work with a different platform snap [15:49] the platform snap is merely an implementation detail. the user doesn't care [15:50] the packager can use whichever platform they prefer, and the user gets a working snap whatever the packager chose [15:50] so how many platforms are available? [15:51] right now, one, if you exclude the solus used for linux-steam-integration because that's specialised for the steam snap. the reason there aren't more is because nobody has stepped-up from those other distributions to make theirs [15:52] i asked about making a raspbian base snap about 2 years ago but they told me it wasn't possible yet [15:53] linux-steam-integration isn't in the snap store [15:53] yes it is [15:53] it's in edge channel right now though [15:54] the base snap is called solus-runtime-gaming, again it's in edge right now [15:59] I'd be inerested to know if full desktop environments can be snapped. It'd be nice to be on 18.04, but keep my gnome up to date with snaps [15:59] if it's classic mode i don't see why not [16:00] +++ [16:09] hmm looks like youtube have messed up and demonetized everyone and also broken their platform at the same time [16:12] what are people going to do? move to a different platform? :-P [16:13] hopefully all the "vloggers" will take their clickbait rubbish elsewhere [16:18] the problem is the tabloids hounded the advertisers about getting shown on any video that didn't quite match the tabloids view of good [17:35] interesting, I've got a bank that fails a symantec cert on both fedora and ubuntu live CDs but works on both fedora and ubuntu systems I hav einstalled [19:36] penguin42: there was a weird issue with chromium-browser a while back that was something along the lines that if the build was more than 30 days old, it stopped trusting symantec [19:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380 [19:40] Ubuntu bug 1641380 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser: ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED for Symantec certs" [Critical,Fix released] [19:41] since being forced to implement ssl everywhere i've found it can be pretty weird [19:42] like i had two servers... one worked fine, the other gave an untrusted certificate error [19:42] but they both used the same certificate [19:42] it turns out you have to also supply the trust chain bundle because not every browser has it [19:43] and the CAs like to split themselves up into loads of different organizations [19:50] ging: Ah thanks! [19:50] ging: It was that cert [19:51] guys, i need bday present ideas [19:51] chocolate [19:51] i'm struggling right now to think of anything [19:51] i got chocolate for valentines day [19:51] more chocolate? [19:55] a dragon [19:56] foobarry: Cake? [20:03] hmm [20:03] i've already had a tux cake. can't really beat that [20:03] * penguin42 gulps - which bit did you eat first? [20:06] https://www.flickr.com/photos/7719963@N06/5330687272 [20:06] had already started to melt/blend by the time i took a photo [20:08] foobarry: It's disturbing that the previous picture is an actual penguin [20:08] :o [20:08] didn't notice [22:58] the rock man in thor ragnarock with the south african accent is awesome hilarious