[00:03] <Bashing-om> chrometiger: ' ls -al /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' . no conference file, and only 340 versopn drivers installed .. then yes reboot .
[00:04] <chrometiger> k still installing,  "my data is slowed down" be a few
[00:04] <chrometiger> thanks
[00:11] <Budgii> Anyone use System Monitor from the software center? It won't work for me
[00:19] <DiecastMessiah> well works for me but it was preinstalled with unity
[00:20] <DiecastMessiah> what desktop envoment are you using
[00:20] <txlinux> i could use some help. i have two problems, First Ubuntu software center does not ever finish loading when i start it up. The other is that Firefox crashes as soon as i do the update. These are both running on Ubuntu mate on raspberry pi 3. Any help would great.
[00:21] <txlinux> It was a fresh install.
[00:22] <DiecastMessiah> verson ?? 17 or 16.04 ect
[00:23] <txlinux> how do i find out
[00:24] <txlinux> 16.04
[00:25] <DiecastMessiah> i havn;t used mate but there should be about this computer or something like that.. maybe in the settings
[00:25] <krytarik> !version
[00:25] <txlinux> found it 16.04
[00:26] <txlinux> release v=16.04,o=Ubuntu
[00:29] <txlinux> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[00:29] <txlinux> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[00:29] <txlinux> Release:	16.04
[00:29] <txlinux> Codename:	xenial
[00:31] <DiecastMessiah> i am a newbie here.. but i think i can helpwith the firefox problem.. in termial try 'sudo apt-get remove firefox'
[00:31] <DiecastMessiah> than sudo apt-get update
[00:31] <DiecastMessiah> than sudo apt0get install firefox ..
[00:31] <DiecastMessiah> oops last one is a - not 0
[00:32] <nacc> txlinux: that would be an out of date 16.04, fwiw
[00:32] <nacc> txlinux: you should be at 16.04.3 by now
[00:32] <nacc> (regardless of kernel level)
[00:34] <chrometiger> ok nvidia 340 installed  then i did ls -al /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia    and got this ls: cannot access '/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[00:34] <txlinux> when it tries to update it says there is not enough room on the /boot. what files should i delete to allow it to run
[00:34] <nacc> chrometiger: xorg is not configured with a file anymore, unless needed
[00:34] <nacc> txlinux: first run `sudo apt-get autoremove`
[00:35] <chrometiger> so do i need to do anything else with the nvidia drivers once they are installed from terminal or just reboot and hope for best
[00:35] <Bashing-om> chrometiger: No config file is a good thing . .. only 340 installed now ?
[00:35] <txlinux> tried that and it still does have enough space.
[00:36] <nacc> txlinux: pastebin `ls -ahl /boot` and `df -h` output
[00:36] <txlinux> ok
[00:43] <monokrome> hiii! Does anyone know how to make my backgrounds tiled? Seems like latest Ubuntu lost that feature? :(
[00:43] <chrometiger> alright, that fixed it , thanks guys    i dont know why my display drivers just changed like that it was fine one min, come back later that day and all crazy,  thanks
[00:45] <Bashing-om> chrometiger: :) All's well that ends well .
[00:46] <txlinux> https://pastebin.com/92SPtJh5
[00:49] <chrometiger> the only thing i had done different in the last day or two was install caffine extension for gnome, dont know if that effected anything
[00:52] <rizonz> guys when I stop a process by killing it it's just not stopped
[00:52] <rizonz> it changes proc Id
[00:52] <rizonz> I think the pidfile has a right issue ?
[00:53] <Budgii> can you go into system monitor interface?
[00:53] <rizonz> Budgii: it's console only
[00:54] <Budgii> ah okay.. sorry I don't know then :p
[00:54] <akik> rizonz: there's probably a systemd service monitoring it
[00:54] <rizonz> akik: but nothing logs it's bering restarted
[00:54] <rizonz> *being
[00:55] <akik> rizonz: what's the process?
[00:55] <rizonz> janus
[00:55] <rizonz> it's in 17.10
[00:55] <rizonz> I installed th version from erm, the 18.x version btw
[00:55] <akik> rizonz: journalctl -xef
[00:56] <akik> rizonz: then kill the process and see the journalctl output
[00:56] <txlinux> nacc: https://pastebin.com/92SPtJh5
[00:57] <DiecastMessiah> good time txlinux i was just going to do that so nacc will get the notice lol
[00:57] <DiecastMessiah> timing
[00:58] <txlinux> not my first rodeo ..... though the HLSR is in town at NRG stadium
[00:58] <akik> rizonz: if you know the name of the service: journalctl -u name.service
[00:59] <resc_051b3_2852> hello everyone i have a serious issue  my operating system is gone when i turn on Desktop pc says insert right boot key
[00:59] <resc_051b3_2852> gparted can find my linux but says unmountd can someone help me ?
[01:00] <resc_051b3_2852> it seems i messed up something with disks when i was formatting my usb key and the Os does not boot anymore
[01:01] <resc_051b3_2852> anyone here for help?
[01:01] <moan> Hey resc_051b3_2852
[01:01] <resc_051b3_2852> hey moan  hope you able help me out
[01:01] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: what do you need?
[01:02] <resc_051b3_2852> basically my linux os is gone i was messing with disks to formatt my usb key and then on reboot i lost my Os
[01:02] <DiecastMessiah> txlinux: not sure about it but seems that one of the filesystems is not right
[01:03] <resc_051b3_2852> says insert right boot key im running gparted from resque distro it does see my linux but says unmounted
[01:03] <mutante> resc_051b3_2852: did you format your OS disk by accident?
[01:03] <resc_051b3_2852> i don't know seems it's still there but says unmounted
[01:03] <DiecastMessiah> txlinux: like to see what nacc says ..
[01:04] <resc_051b3_2852> i did mess with disks to try format my usb key then on reboot Os was gone i hope all data can be recovered still
[01:04] <rizonz> akik: it's weird
[01:04] <mutante> resc_051b3_2852: can you mount it from the rescue disk?
[01:04] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: what did you make the format usb?
[01:04] <resc_051b3_2852> i don't know how
[01:04] <txlinux> ok
[01:04] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: what did you make the format usb with?
[01:05] <resc_051b3_2852> im on gparted resque disk now usb key has just this in it now
[01:05] <resc_051b3_2852> i did it with disks
[01:05] <resc_051b3_2852> what you think has happened moan ?
[01:05] <nacc> txlinux: DiecastMessiah looking now
[01:06] <resc_051b3_2852> when i rebot says entert boot right key
[01:06] <nacc> txlinux: this is an actual system?
[01:06] <nacc> txlinux: not a VM or a raspberry pi or something?
[01:06] <mutante> resc_051b3_2852: can you use the actual "mount" command in the rescue disk ?
[01:06] <resc_051b3_2852> i don't know where it is on Gparted
[01:06] <nacc> txlinux: your /boot is so small as to be useless. and is on an sd card?
[01:07] <resc_051b3_2852> can you tell me how?
[01:07] <resc_051b3_2852> im using rescatux
[01:07] <DiecastMessiah> raspberry pi i think he has
[01:07] <nacc> txlinux: DiecastMessiah: and not running ubuntu
[01:07] <nacc> will ignore it
[01:08] <resc_051b3_2852> i does say umounted
[01:08] <resc_051b3_2852> what should  i do?
[01:08] <resc_051b3_2852> i need reboot and brb also as Gparted got stuck do you people feel i formated the Os by mistake ? as rescatux can still find it
[01:09] <DiecastMessiah> oh sorry nacc.. said he had ubuntu mate _ so i didn't know
[01:10] <nacc> DiecastMessiah: not your fault
[01:10] <nacc> DiecastMessiah: users often fib :)
[01:10] <resc_051b3_2852> ill send you the pastebin moan mutante ok
[01:10] <resc_051b3_2852> ?
[01:10] <resc_051b3_2852> !bin
[01:10] <resc_051b3_2852> !paste
[01:10] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: can you reboot computer and send a screenshot? https://imagebin.ca/
[01:11] <resc_051b3_2852> i can send pastebin one sec
[01:11] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: to see how looks
[01:12] <txlinux>  This is message i get when i run the updater.  The upgrade needs a total of 48.2 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 4,088 k of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.
[01:12] <nacc> txlinux: you are not running ubuntu
[01:12] <nacc> txlinux: please seek support from your distribution
[01:12] <resc_051b3_2852> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SCHhD35gzK/
[01:12] <bazhang> txlinux, is that ubuntu
[01:13] <resc_051b3_2852> Thanks so much btw Guys you really do amazing jon to help people out
[01:13] <txlinux> ubuntu mate
[01:13] <resc_051b3_2852> that's the paste
[01:13] <nacc> txlinux: not as far as I can tell, it's not
[01:13] <nacc> bazhang: --^ fyi
[01:13] <bazhang> txlinux, give us the lsb_release -a for that
[01:14] <nacc> bazhang: https://pastebin.com/92SPtJh5 if it is, it's weird, because they only have a 40M /boot
[01:14] <nacc> err, 60M
[01:14] <nacc> txlinux: perhaps better than lsb_release -a is `uname -r`
[01:14] <txlinux> No LSB modules are available.
[01:14] <txlinux> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[01:14] <txlinux> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[01:14] <txlinux> Release:	16.04
[01:14] <txlinux> Codename:	xenial
[01:14] <rizonz> akik: what should I check why it's not stopped ?
[01:14] <resc_051b3_2852> let me know what you think happend moan  then i will reboot as Gparted got stuck on Rescatux distro when i try do recover files
[01:14] <rizonz> akik: it also fails on a restart for the pidfile with rights
[01:15] <bazhang> txlinux, how can you run with such a tiny /boot
[01:15] <resc_051b3_2852> did my paste work
[01:15] <resc_051b3_2852> ?
[01:15] <txlinux> 4.4.38-v7+
[01:15] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: i need see the boot process
[01:16] <nacc> txlinux: yeah, not ubuntu
[01:16] <rizonz> does anyone if Dimitri John Ledkov is in here ?
[01:16] <resc_051b3_2852> is it not there moan ?
[01:16] <nacc> rizonz: not here, but elsewhere, why?
[01:16] <rizonz> nacc: need to ask him something about a package he created
[01:17] <nacc> rizonz: xnox in #ubuntu-devel
[01:17] <rizonz> nacc: thanks!
[01:17] <rizonz> nacc: and I want to hug him, so the package was pretext :P
[01:18] <resc_051b3_2852> it there or how i send you?
[01:18] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: I can´t see it
[01:18] <txlinux> thank. I did download from the ubuntu website... they call it ubuntu mate
[01:18] <resc_051b3_2852> if you tell  me how send it i will send you the paste
[01:18] <txlinux> but i will keep searching
[01:20] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: if it's a physical computer, take a photo and send me "https://imagebin.ca/"
[01:20] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: if not, take a screenshot and send me "https://imagebin.ca/"
[01:21] <resc_051b3_2852> it's a desktop' but my Os won't boot anymore im on Rescatux Linux recovery distro
[01:21] <resc_051b3_2852> so how can i do that moan?
[01:22] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, you 'messed around' with disk formatting/partitioning software?
[01:23] <resc_051b3_2852> yes bazhang
[01:23] <resc_051b3_2852> i was trying formatt my usb key to create W10 one and i did
[01:23] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, so you formatted the OS
[01:23] <resc_051b3_2852> but then in all keys gave me just read can't copy anything anymore
[01:23] <resc_051b3_2852> and then when i did reboot the Os vanished and it says insert right boot key
[01:24] <resc_051b3_2852> http://paste.debian.net/1011250/
[01:24] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, what exactly are you trying to rescue at this point
[01:24] <resc_051b3_2852> rescatux gave me this
[01:24] <resc_051b3_2852> im trying get all files back i had important things on it
[01:24] <resc_051b3_2852> is it possible bazhang ?
[01:24] <mutante> resc_051b3_2852: better get them from the backup
[01:24] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, you had them backed up as they were important, right?
[01:25] <resc_051b3_2852> no i did not sadly
[01:25] <resc_051b3_2852> it was folders
[01:25] <mutante> wait.. it's the combo of "no backups" plus "messing around with disk formatting tools" plus "important things that cant be replaced" ?
[01:25] <resc_051b3_2852> so you mean the Os is gone even if Gparted can still see it?
[01:25] <mutante> in that case.. take it as a lesson. i'm very sorry for your loss
[01:25] <resc_051b3_2852> it just says umounted
[01:26] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, what does sudo fdisk -l
[01:26] <resc_051b3_2852> ill do the command from the resque distro im on Rescatux one sec
[01:26] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, is this ubuntu you are trying to save or debian
[01:27] <resc_051b3_2852> Ubuntu but im from usb key on Rescatux as my Os is gone
[01:27] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: my internet died
[01:27] <resc_051b3_2852> but Gparted still reads it just says umounted from Rescatux
[01:27] <resc_051b3_2852> !paste
[01:27] <resc_051b3_2852> !pastebin
[01:28] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, we need the output of what we are asking for
[01:28] <moan> resc_051b3_2852: I said, reboot the real so (not Rescatux) and take a photo where the boot stop and send me https://imagebin.ca/
[01:28] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, no need to keep using !paste
[01:28] <resc_051b3_2852> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[01:28] <resc_051b3_2852> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[01:28] <resc_051b3_2852> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[01:28] <resc_051b3_2852> Disklabel type: gpt
[01:28] <resc_051b3_2852> Disk identifier: E755A229-1786-45A9-A6F1-605875995442
[01:28] <resc_051b3_2852> Device       Start       End   Sectors   Size Type
[01:29] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, you need to put that in a pastebin and then give us the url, NOT pastes directly in the channel
[01:29] <resc_051b3_2852> it was mouse error
[01:30] <resc_051b3_2852> sorry for that
[01:30] <resc_051b3_2852> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GRmQYXtMSW/
[01:30] <resc_051b3_2852> i hope this helps
[01:32] <resc_051b3_2852> so when i use Gparted from here Rescatux vrom usb im using it finds the Os just says umounted
[01:32] <resc_051b3_2852> is this log of any help bazhang ?
[01:33] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, just started reading it, this will take a bit of time, more than two minutes so please be patient
[01:33] <bobomb> is there a simple way short of multiseat to share an x session with two independently controlled sets of mouse/keyboard?
[01:33] <resc_051b3_2852> Thanks Alott
[01:33] <resc_051b3_2852> i need restart Rescatux when you ready as Gparted froze when i did try recover files
[01:34] <resc_051b3_2852> from Os
[01:34] <resc_051b3_2852> now works back
[01:34] <mecotri> Every time I play a sound the first second gets cutoff. Short sounds don't play at all. This has been the case over a half dozen computers and Ubuntu releases. What causes it and how can I finally put a stop to it?
[01:35] <bobomb> i see lots of ways to share one set of mouse/keyboard amongst multiple instances, i see ways of setting up completely independent x sessions complete with seperate monitors or over the network
[01:36] <resc_051b3_2852> ill send you also the screenshot of Gparted from Rescatux bazhang
[01:36] <bobomb> but two mice and two keyboards on one PC with one monitor is impossible to find
[01:37] <bazhang> root@debian:/home/user# resc_051b3_2852 what's that? is that the rescatux recovery?
[01:37] <mecotri> bobomb, the ability to use two keyboards at once or two keyboards on one machine but not at the same time?
[01:37] <resc_051b3_2852> yes im from rescatux recovery distro from usb
[01:37] <resc_051b3_2852> how do i take screenshot bazhang  as i got no gui for it here
[01:37] <bobomb> at the same time
[01:38] <resc_051b3_2852> i want send you Gparted also
[01:38] <bobomb> but not interrupting eachother
[01:38] <bobomb> two mice, but not interrupting eachother
[01:38] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, well check if this recovery disk has testdisk/photorec on it, that's probably your only hope
[01:38] <bobomb> like two users should be able to open two windows in one workspace and do their own things
[01:38] <resc_051b3_2852> how i dod that bazhang ?
[01:38] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, a screenshot wont make a difference at this point
[01:38] <bobomb> swapping focus
[01:39] <bobomb> of course
[01:39] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, how do you do what
[01:39] <mecotri> It's possible. I did it once trying to use a numpad as a macro keyboard and one keyboard as a normal. It was a nightmare but I can find the guide I used.
[01:39] <resc_051b3_2852> testdisk photorec i mean ?
[01:39] <bobomb> i mean i see the complications
[01:39] <bobomb> but some way of separating the two sets of input devices, mostly the pointer
[01:40] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, you are using something rescatux I have no idea about, were it an ubuntu usb I could help
[01:40] <bobomb> it assumes two users in one physical space that can talk and cooperate
[01:40] <mecotri> bobomb, be warned based on your graphics situation the windows will flicker. I could use both keyboards at the same time independently on two different windows but it flickered bad with an Nvidia GPU and closed drivers.
[01:40] <resc_051b3_2852> my Os is linux mint
[01:40] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, ask that OS maker if they have testdisk/photorec on it
[01:40] <resc_051b3_2852> you want i burn the Ubuntu Usb to try recover it?
[01:41] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, MINT is not supported here
[01:41] <bobomb> even just a stable two-mouse solution
[01:41] <bobomb> would be great
[01:41] <resc_051b3_2852> i know but is still Ubuntu i don't know where else get help
[01:41] <resc_051b3_2852> you want i make Ubuntu usb key?
[01:41] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, you should have told us it was MINT from the get go, you need to find the mintsupport people and ask them
[01:41] <resc_051b3_2852> i found testdisk
[01:41] <resc_051b3_2852> :)
[01:41] <resc_051b3_2852> what should it do now?
[01:42] <resc_051b3_2852> i don't know where they have no chan
[01:42] <bazhang> !mintsupport | resc_051b3_2852
[01:42] <bazhang> I just gave you a location for mintsupport resc_051b3_2852
[01:42] <mecotri> bobomb, this isn't the guide I followed but looks like the steps are about the same with the same ultimate goal. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multi-pointer_X
[01:43] <resc_051b3_2852> thanks bazhang   i found the testdisk what you advise me do now?
[01:43] <resc_051b3_2852> i will go there afther
[01:43] <bazhang> resc_051b3_2852, no help with MINT here, please ask the MINT people
[01:43] <bobomb> YES! i just saw that too. multiple pointers with seperate keyboard focus
[01:43] <yuan> mm
[01:43] <Derpadong> Hello folks. Im trying to get 4 Nvidia 1030 cards to run all at one time but I dont know where to start. Could anyone please help me?
[01:44] <yuan> any people?
[01:44] <resc_051b3_2852> how do i go to this server bazhang ?
[01:44] <bazhang> Derpadong, for mining?
[01:44] <resc_051b3_2852>  irc.spotchat.org
[01:44] <bobomb> it should be called "soft" multiseat not "crude" multiseat
[01:44] <Derpadong> bazhang, Yes.
[01:44] <bazhang> Derpadong, what miner software are you using
[01:45] <strive> Phew.
[01:45] <DiecastMessiah> resc_051b3_2852: will help ya in pm
[01:45] <Derpadong> bazhang, Nothing yet and I dont know what the person is going to be using. I just need to get the cards seen by ubuntu
[01:45] <strive> I was feeling edgy...
[01:45] <bazhang> DiecastMessiah, he left
[01:46] <bazhang> Derpadong, the miner software can easily pick that up
[01:46] <Derpadong> The thing is I can only see 1 card
[01:46] <Derpadong> Not all 4
[01:46] <bobomb> "As of 24 December 2016, only multicursor-wm (development stops around 2011) supports multi-pointer. "
[01:46] <Derpadong> bazhang, nvidia-smi shows only 1
[01:47] <bazhang> Derpadong, cryptobadger.com has many guides for how to get that going
[01:47] <bazhang> Derpadong, they specialize in helping with Linux, including ubuntu
[01:49] <Derpadong> bazhang, Even nvidia 1030 cards?
[01:50] <bazhang> Derpadong, I'd need to dive through their extensive lists to answer that
[01:50] <Derpadong> I cant seem to get these cards seen and it is very odd
[01:51] <bazhang> Derpadong, thats why it would help to have the actual person who's going to run this go give us more info about what they are mining, what miner software etc
[01:52] <Derpadong> I know
[01:52] <Derpadong> lol
[01:52] <bazhang> Derpadong, so you can either go to that website for them and read through the lists, or tell them to have a look at it, many of them aslo have channels here on freenode
[01:53] <bazhang> also
[01:53] <Kel> Intermittent issue with detatching screen and logging out of my shell resulting in all PIDs killed by SystemD when I come back. Have changed /etc/systemd/logind.conf ; No good. I'm aware of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 but none of that is helping either. Any ideas?
[01:53] <bobomb> is this still true in 17.10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/MPX
[01:53] <Kel> (and if it matters, I am on 17.10 and Linode. Lassie is turned off.)
[01:55] <mecotri> bobomb, I found the guide I followed before but it had basically the same instructions as the Arch wiki (https://superuser.com/questions/367882/windows-manager-which-allows-multiple-active-windows-multiple-input-devices). Sorry. Minus the flickering I thought it worked for me on 17.04. I played with it a bit before rebooting to get back to normal.
[01:58] <bobomb> that is an old article and it seems like MPX is a standard since ubuntu 10 but is it still in there in 17?
[01:59] <bobomb> xinput list does indeed show this master and slave input list. never heard of that before
[02:11] <Euph0ria> nacc: Ty for your advice earlier.
[02:21] <brenster21> So I am dualbooting windows and ubuntu and i need to expand my ubuntu parition. But my laptop keyboard has gone kaput and the usb keyboard doesnt work in Grub. So I want to use grub customizer to change the order to bootable linux USB, windows, than ubuntu. than remove the USB to boot to windows, then after i am done shutdown and plug it back in.
[02:21] <brenster21> Do you think my idea will work
[02:21]  * brenster21 is using grub customizer
[02:22] <cfhowlett> brenster21, grub customizer is well known for causing unpredictable ubuntu behavior.  should stop you from trying though.
[02:35] <Triffid_Hunter> brenster21: bios should have an option for legacy usb, that should make your kb work in grub
[02:35] <Triffid_Hunter> brenster21: the OSes may not like it, my bios has an additional option, something like "legacy until OS takes over"
[02:41] <brenster21> Truffud_hunter thank you
[02:41] <brenster21> cfhowlett how do I uninstall grub customizer
[02:41] <brenster21> and how do i change my grub settings?
[02:41] <cfhowlett> never used it so can't say.
[02:41] <brenster21> ah
[02:42] <begati> Hi, did someone tried to install Ubuntu on Samsung Chromebook 3 (CELES)? I got no audio, even updating the kernel.
[02:42] <brenster21> Triffid_Hunter idk if legacy is enabled.
[02:44] <Mead> I'm having trouble configuring a network interface in lubuntu (#lubuntu is a ghost town), anyone here feel like helping me trouble shoot?
[02:44] <kenrin> What kind of interface,  like giving it an address ?
[02:46] <Mead> I'm trying to configure my ethernet interface to share internet (wifi connection to AP) and it keeps saying "disconnected"
[02:52] <kenrin> What says disconnected,  the ethernet?  Did you set it up right using nm-connection-editor ?
[02:53] <Mead> kenrin: the ethernet
[02:54] <Triffid_Hunter> is it plugged in?
[02:54] <Mead> it is plugged in to a 5 port unmanaged switch
[02:54] <kenrin> Are the lights on ?
[02:55] <Mead> yes
[02:55] <cookiecutter> brenster21: i’ve used grub customizee
[02:55] <cookiecutter> worked fine
[02:56] <Mead> well they are now, I set it manual and gave it an IP, let me switch it back.
[02:58] <brenster21> cookiecutter what do you think of my plan?
[02:59]  * brenster21 needs grub to boot to windows once then back to ubuntu. without the use of a keyboard in grub
[03:03] <Mead> I disabled the interface changed's it's ipv4 "method" to "shared to other computers" and now a block box keeps appearing at the top right of my screen saying disconnected.   Other hosts connected, and other clients/hosts connected to the switch aren't getting leases
[03:03] <Mead> err Other hosts connected to the switch aren't getting leases
[03:04] <kenrin> Did you have the auto connect to this network box checked?  and reboot ?
[03:06] <kenrin> Also do you have something for them to get leases from?  like dnsmasq or network-manager dhcp options?
[03:06] <Mead> I didn't see a box to check for "auto connect"   and a reboot wouldn't help since I've live booted
[03:07] <Mead> kenrin:  I thought it set that up automatically when you chose "shared to other computers"
[03:08] <kenrin> it should but it depends on your system,  I have no clue what applet lubuntu uses
[03:08] <kenrin> I know regular ubuntu uses network-manager and it takes care of all that
[03:09] <Mead> I bet "network-manager" isn't installed out of the box, lubuntu is super tiny
[03:09] <kenrin> If you can see the connection address in the details for the ethernet,  you could try to give the client PC manually address in the same subnet
[03:10] <Mead> kenrin: I'd still need to set up routing
[03:10] <kenrin> Or you could see if dnsmasq is working and check the config file
[03:11] <kenrin>  /etc/dnsmasq.conf interface=eth0(or whatever)  dhcp-range=192.168.0.2,192.168.0.254,72H  should be all you need then start it
[03:12] <kenrin> I'm just using that as example,  it'll depend on what address the ethernet has
[03:12] <ryzah> hello
[03:13] <Mead> hum,  dnsmasq.conf doesn't exist
[03:13] <kenrin> You probably don't have the right things installed on that livecd then
[03:13] <kenrin> For it to even work with shared connections
[03:14] <Mead> I'm coming to the same conclusion
[03:15] <Mead> I should have known I was in trouble when I had to install something to get ifconfig
[03:16] <kenrin> Well that doesn't mean anything,  net-tools are deprecated in favor of ip route
[03:16] <kenrin> You could probably still set it up using iptables
[03:17] <kenrin> Depends how much work you want to do,  versus just using a regular ubuntu livecd
[03:17] <cfhowlett> Mead, is this a regular ubuntu livecd?  cause you should have at least had ifconfig available.
[03:18] <Mead> I... don't want to mess with iptables I know that much
[03:18] <Mead> cfhowlett: [20:43] <Mead> I'm having trouble configuring a network interface in lubuntu (#lubuntu is a ghost town), anyone here feel like helping me trouble shoot?
[03:18] <cfhowlett> ah.  lubuntu.
[03:20] <Mead> I'm trying to do this on an old atom/ion nettop (ddr2 ram old) so, I thought lubuntu would be a good choice
[03:21] <kenrin> Just do it on iptables,  it isn't THAT bad: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[03:21] <Mead> I built a openwrt image for it, but openwrt doesn't support a local gui interface that I want as well.
[03:23] <Mead> kenrin:  I  mess with IP tables a while back, lets just say me and iptables don't get along.
[03:37] <Mead> kenrin:  Could you suggest a ubuntu derivative to use instead lf lubuntu?  I would like a light weight gui that wouldn't bog down my ancient dual core atom processor.
[03:38] <cfhowlett> xubuntu
[03:38] <monokrome> Does anyone know how to get nVidia proprietary drivers to show up in the software GUI?
[03:38] <cfhowlett> enable third party and partners software sources, IIRC monokrome
[03:38] <monokrome> Also, if anyone knows how to make the background tile - it seems like that isn't in the GUI any more?
[03:38] <monokrome> cfhowlett: oooh thanks :)
[03:39] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[03:39] <kenrin> That would be easier to put connection sharing on?  I have no idea.  I use lubuntu on my old laptops too
[03:40] <cfhowlett> Mead, actually, you can test this super easily.  sudo apt install xfce4                  logout, choose the xfce session and login.     you can then test the desktop environment.  if you like it, get the full meal deal with sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[03:40] <amazoniantoad> Is it possible to create a LVM group on a remote disk mounted over sshfs? Please say yes
[03:41] <Mead> kenrin: connection sharing?  That is what thought was doing.
[03:41] <monokrome> Hmm, cfhowlett... Didn't seem to show up after that. Maybe it requires a reboot? O_o
[03:41] <cfhowlett> monokrome, sudo apt update or refresh
[03:41] <kenrin> Anything light weight isn't going to have dnsmasq or networkmanager configured already or a nice applet for it =/
[03:41] <cfhowlett> i.e. refresh software sources
[03:42] <monokrome> cfhowlett: I did that :o
[03:43] <monokrome> "Additional Drivers" only shows the intel microcode driver :o
[03:43] <cfhowlett> monokrome, my bad.  nvidia are in the restricted category it seems      https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:43] <monokrome> Those are enabled too! :o
[03:44] <cfhowlett> huh.  OK then.  hate to suggest it but ... reboot!  try again
[03:46] <Mead> I found an xbuntu image from last march in my hord of downloaded files, I'll try that.  If I can configure the internet sharing on a live boot, I'll install it.
[03:48] <monokrome> cfhowlett: No luck w/ reboot eithher
[03:48] <monokrome> :'(
[03:50] <amazoniantoad> why cant I see the remote disk in fdisk after mounting via sshfs?
[03:57] <Triffid_Hunter> amazoniantoad: because sshfs doesn't provide a disk, it mounts a remote filesystem
[04:01] <cfhowlett> sorry monokrome, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia          you could download from there then sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:02] <testhuman> so idk if people are gonna yell at me for asking this
[04:02] <Mead> WHY WOULD WE YELL AT YOU?
[04:02] <testhuman> but i'm trying to install 16.04 LTS and the live usb says its 17.04
[04:03] <testhuman> As does the 17.10 usb
[04:03] <testhuman> both downloaded today from the ubuntu site and installed to usb via rufus
[04:04] <Mead> rufus doesn't always change the volume label
[04:05] <testhuman> I mean even using the terminal while in the live usb says it's 17.04
[04:05] <Mead> well go back to rufus and remake the usb
[04:05] <testhuman> I've done that twice today
[04:05] <testhuman> both 16.04 LTS and 17.10
[04:06] <Mead> did you install one of them to the system?
[04:07] <testhuman> 17.04 is already installed on the system, i attempted to upgrade to 17.10 a few weeks ago and it exploded
[04:07] <testhuman> Now i am trying to clean install
[04:07] <Mead> sounds like it might not be booting from the usb live drive
[04:08] <testhuman> I manually selected the usb drive from bios
[04:08] <testhuman> The actually installed 17.04 boots to blank desktop and blank top bar since the upgrade
[04:09] <testhuman> So i'm pretty sure im in the live usb version because it actually boots
[04:09] <cfhowlett> testhuman, 17.04 is well past it
[04:09] <cfhowlett> it's supported life.
[04:10] <testhuman> Yeah, that's how i got in this mess in the first place
[04:10] <Euph0ria> People think, ubuntu!  New version!  It must be better!  Fixes, upgrades, features!  ...nope.
[04:10] <testhuman> Pulseaudio exploded one day, i tried to reinstall it but i couldn't connect to the packages because they change the damn servers when they EOLd 17.04
[04:11] <testhuman> I retargeted the update thing but then decided "why not upgrade to 17.10 while i'm at it"
[04:11] <testhuman> and that's where it all went wrong
[04:11] <Euph0ria> testhuman: My audio died when I did an upgrade to 7.04 also. Also, 17.10.
[04:12] <testhuman> It's a long story, but pulseaudio simply stopped working on my already in place 17.04 install.
[04:12] <Euph0ria> I tried the 7.04 and 7.10 liveCD/USBs and no audio on either of those even.
[04:12] <Euph0ria> 16.04.3 tho, audio works like a charm.
[04:12] <testhuman> I'm trying to go to 16.04 LTS so get 3 years before ubuntu wrecks my shit again
[04:13] <cfhowlett> testhuman, is there a specific reason you are not using the LTS releases?  16.04.3 is current
[04:13] <testhuman> because i was dumb enough to install 17.04 in the first place
[04:13] <testhuman> I realize i'm a moron but i didn't think my story would be too hard to follow
[04:13] <cfhowlett> OK ... download 16.04.3 and install.  bang.  you have 5 years of support or you can stay put until the next LTS release, 18.04
[04:14] <Euph0ria> it's not like it was 17.04 alpha/beta release.  Can't blame you for thinking a newer version would be better.
[04:14] <testhuman> Yeah, which brings me back to what i came in here for, the Live USB i just made an hour ago off the ubuntu site with rufus says it's 17.04...
[04:14] <testhuman> The 16.04 LTS
[04:15] <testhuman> live usb
[04:15] <testhuman> Like, the install icon on the desktop says "Install Ubuntu 17.04"
[04:15] <testhuman> and checking the version in the terminal also says 17.04
[04:15] <testhuman> on a 16.04 LTS live usb
[04:16] <Euph0ria> testhuman: my guess is it's 17.04, and maybe you need to find a new source for 16.04.  :D
[04:16] <testhuman> Yeah, i just downloaded again from a mirror
[04:16] <testhuman> I'm going to reflash that.
[04:16] <Euph0ria> wipe the usb clean too, maybe?
[04:17] <testhuman> About to. Thank god i have a functioning laptop
[04:18] <Euph0ria> And just use the Startup Disk Creator tool to write the ISO to the USB?
[04:18] <testhuman> i've been using rufus, is that not the look these days?
[04:18] <cfhowlett> inconsistent results.
[04:18] <Euph0ria> testhuman: The Startup Disk Creator is a "safer" option.
[04:20] <testhuman> oh also does startup disk creator work in windows
[04:20] <testhuman> i've never used it before.
[04:20] <cfhowlett> no.  ubuntu only.
[04:20] <testhuman> oh lmao, looks like it doesnt.
[04:20] <Euph0ria> testhuman: No.  It's a linux utility.  There are programs liks SARDU for Windows thoough.
[04:21] <testhuman> Yeah, i'm on my Win10 laptop right now.
[04:21] <testhuman> My desktop is the machine where all these nightmares have occurred
[04:22] <AngelKde> testhuman:  created usb live whit rufus en windows
[04:23] <testhuman> Furthermore, I am dual-booting on my desktop and I'd really like to save Windows on it
[04:23] <testhuman> save the Windows install on it
[04:24] <testhuman> But the botched upgrade doesn't give me a grub menu anymore, just boots straight to my trashed ubuntu install
[04:25] <Euph0ria> Once you get it going and GRUB loading, it should see windows and dual-boot for you.
[04:25] <testhuman> Yeah. I just don't want to nuke the drive because it will kill windows. I'm remaking the USB in rufus right now since there don't appear to be too many reputable options on windows
[04:25] <cfhowlett> there's a good chance that the installation worked but grub is fragged. how to repair?  boot from an ubuntu USB, chroot your system and reinstall grub
[04:26] <testhuman> cfhowlett: I will consider that option if this Live USB keeps fucking with me
[04:27] <testhuman> I guess the bonus there would be also saving my original linux install
[04:27] <Euph0ria> testhuman: Well, maybe your /home dir, providing you put it on a separate partition.
[04:27] <testhuman> also my apologies for storming into the channel and spamming SAVE ME, i'm just mad desperate right now
[04:28] <testhuman> Euph0ria: a separate partition from root?
[04:29] <Euph0ria> testhuman: Yes.  It's usually always good practice to put your /home dir on a seperate partition.
[04:30] <testhuman> intredasting
[04:30] <strive> Euph0ria: Why's that?
[04:30] <AngelKde> testhuman: sure as Euph0ria recommends you and the best choice
[04:30] <testhuman> I don't even remember if i did that or not
[04:30] <testhuman> We will find out soon.
[04:31] <Euph0ria> strive: Why is what?  Putting your /home dir on a seperate partition?  Like the use of another filesystem, or not loosing all your stuff in the event the root filesystem crashes and burns?
[04:31] <testhuman> either way its NBD, there's not much i need to save on my linux install anways
[04:32] <testhuman> I've come to terms with the gravity of my mistakes haha
[04:32] <ngie> hey all how is everyone
[04:33] <Euph0ria> strive: among other reasons.
[04:33] <Euph0ria> ngie: dandy, you?
[04:34] <strive> Euph0ria: Noted. Thank you.
[04:34] <testhuman> Update: my bios is now locking up. Fun times.
[04:34] <ngie> cant complain
[04:35] <ngie> just chilling out
[04:35] <ngie> just runing ubuntu in a vm
[04:35] <ngie> getting use to it again
[04:35] <ngie> i like gaming so ...i prefer to do most things on linux then just play games using windows
[04:36] <Euph0ria> ngie: Good way to get familiar with it.
[04:36] <Euph0ria> ngie: especially if you're using Win10.
[04:36] <ngie> which i am
[04:36] <ngie> lol
[04:36] <Euph0ria> :D
[04:37] <ngie> god its been so long since i was even on irc
[04:37] <testhuman> Yeah, that was the whole purpose of dual booting for me in the first place. Too paranoid to use Win10 for general usage.
[04:37] <ngie> i remember the days ...where this is were i got all my warez from
[04:37] <ngie> mpgs apps games ....
[04:37] <ngie> mp3
[04:37] <Euph0ria> I don't do much gaming, and what gaming I do doesn't require DX11,12,...  And with all the scary crap in Win10, I'm sticking with Win7Pro for my windows needs.  Solid as a rock.
[04:37] <ngie> jpgs
[04:37] <ngie> lol
[04:38] <ngie> yea im just using it for veryvery basic functions
[04:38] <ngie> but moslty just games
[04:38] <ngie> then on linux to do anything else
[04:39] <Roden> oh man!
[04:39] <ngie> dont even have to download a torrent client with ubuntu ..lol
[04:39] <Roden> did anyone get my messages about gparted?
[04:39] <ngie> already got noe
[04:39] <ngie> one
[04:39] <Euph0ria> ngie: Is windows 10 your host for your VM?
[04:39] <ngie> yea
[04:40] <Euph0ria> ngie: Which VM software do you use?
[04:41] <ngie> vmware
[04:41] <Euph0ria> Good call.
[04:41] <ngie> used it alot of the years ....so i guess you go back to what ya know
[04:42] <ngie> you just run ubuntu straight? no vm
[04:43] <Euph0ria> That and it's awesome.  I run VmWare on a minimal ubuntu install running XFCE as the host, and run everything else in VM.
[04:43] <ngie> know what was strange i downloaded mint first ..as i use to run that ...after i learnt on ubuntu ..pretty much same same ...but didnt reconize the iso
[04:45] <Euph0ria> ngie: Mint is a Ubuntu baby, just with the DTE being Mate/Cinnamon and a few custom packages.
[04:45] <ngie> yep yep
[04:45] <Euph0ria> But yeah, pretty much the same thing.
[04:45] <ngie> but vmware didnt reconize it
[04:45] <Euph0ria> That's odd.
[04:46] <ngie> yea i know
[04:46] <ngie> so where ab0uts you from mate
[04:47] <Euph0ria> You should be able to mount the ubuntu/debian/etc ISO for linux tools.
[04:47] <Euph0ria> err VmWare tools.
[04:47] <ngie> yea ...if i could be bothered pressing a couple of buttons ...but i just did express setup
[04:48] <ngie> and it didnt pick it up ...but the ubuntu iso was fine
[04:48] <Euph0ria> It's been awhile since I've had to do that but I don't use Mint.
[04:48] <ngie> yea was just easier using ubuntu
[04:48] <ngie> :P
[04:48] <Euph0ria> I'm in Central USA.
[04:48] <ngie> arhh nice
[04:48] <ngie> syd australia here
[04:49] <Euph0ria> I could have guessed.  :D
[04:49] <ngie> blahaha is it that easy to pick ..lol
[04:50] <Euph0ria> ngie: Well, your host is .au so...
[04:50] <Euph0ria> And we're mates, afterall.
[04:50] <ngie> could have been a dns
[04:50] <ngie> lol
[04:50] <ngie> yea the mate ...is a give away
[04:50] <ngie> dont even notice im typing it
[04:50] <ngie> lol
[04:51] <ngie> fucking australia gov blocks torrent sites now
[04:51] <Euph0ria> ngie: So, off topic, you rejoining IRC via Freenode?  Used to be EfNet, Undernet and DALnet back in the day, but they've all shrunk into near obscurity.
[04:52] <ngie> and movie streams sites also
[04:52] <Euph0ria> ngie: VPN?
[04:52] <ngie> correct
[04:52] <ngie> sorry vpn
[04:52] <ngie> yea i was mostly a efnet guy ..lol
[04:52] <Euph0ria> Virtual Private Network tunneling.
[04:52] <ngie> for all the lastest warez needs
[04:53] <ngie> oh you were talking about the blocking
[04:53] <ngie> lol
[04:53] <ngie> yes i have to use a vpn now
[04:53] <ngie> to access the sites ...
[04:53] <Euph0ria> Like, privateinternetaccess bought Freenode, pretty much, and they're a decent VPN still at that.
[04:53] <Triffid_Hunter> ngie: I'm Australian.. didn't know they'd blocked anything though, haven't been there in a couple years
[04:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Euph0ria: orly? that's the one I use
[04:53] <ngie> yea triff
[04:53] <Triffid_Hunter> using it in china of all places fwiw
[04:54] <Euph0ria> Triffid_Hunter: Good value for their 2 year setup.  Pass all the requirements for a good private VPN.
[04:54] <ngie> you havnt been to australia for a few ...or torrent sites for a few?
[04:54] <Triffid_Hunter> Euph0ria: there's a 2 year plan now? is that new?
[04:55] <Triffid_Hunter> ngie: australia :P all the movies here are in chinese with chinese subtitles; not much fun for this aussie
[04:55] <ngie> lol
[04:55] <ngie> i have a mate that moved over there 20 years ago now
[04:55] <Euph0ria> Triffid_Hunter: Somewhat.  Check the site.  Just better savings, and I'm gonna be usign them for at least that long.
[04:55] <ngie> to teach english
[04:55] <ngie> is that you justin??? lol
[04:55] <testhuman> mother of god, i'm gonna lose my mind. Now my desktop keeps hanging at bios
[04:55] <Triffid_Hunter> Euph0ria: I've been using them longer than that already
[04:55] <Euph0ria> Triffid_Hunter: Me too.  lol
[04:56] <Triffid_Hunter> ngie: nah I've been here just 2.5y and that ain't my name
[04:56] <testhuman> Zero hardware issues until now. Boot device light is on. Fun stuff.
[04:56] <Euph0ria> testhuman: It won't boot the liveUSB?
[04:56] <ngie> well 26 mil to 1 ...thought i give it a go
[04:56] <ngie> :P
[04:56] <testhuman> Euph0ria: can't even make it into BIOS now
[04:56] <Triffid_Hunter> ngie: hmm there's at least half that many people in this city alone :P
[04:57] <ngie> lol
[04:57] <Euph0ria> testhuman: :o  Um, sounds like that goes beyond the scope of #ubuntu.  :(   Maybe turn it off and let it sit for a bit.  It might be tired.
[04:57] <testhuman> im about 10 minutes from smoking myself stupid and just saying fuck it for tonight
[04:58] <ngie> yea so they have brought in this law now where they ban all the torrent sites and anything else they believe is not good ..lol
[04:58] <ngie> we are now a police state
[04:58] <ngie> soon ...ill need to show id to buy something....its going to be nazi australia ..lol
[04:58] <cfhowlett> off-topic in the support channel ngie.  better discussed in #ubuntu-offtopic perhaps
[04:59] <testhuman> i have hard restarted probably 20 times at this point so im gonna give it a rest
[04:59] <cfhowlett> testhuman, give yourself a rest as well.
[04:59] <testhuman> Yeah, I'm thinking I
[04:59] <testhuman> I
[04:59] <ngie> sheesh
[04:59] <ngie> nazi ubuntu ..lol
[05:00] <Euph0ria> testhuman: Yep, cold power it down and start fresh when you have less smoke around.
[05:00] <Triffid_Hunter> testhuman: years ago I had a friend whose computer used to do that during the day.. turns out the sticker had fallen off his bios eprom and the incident sunlight was temporarily flipping bits
[05:00] <ngie> lol
[05:00] <testhuman> I'll give it 10 mins or so to chill out and if it doesn't want to cooperate then, i'll just hop into some Vicky 2 on my laptop and give it another go tomorrow.
[05:00] <cfhowlett> Triffid_Hunter, o - m - g.  how did he suss that one out?
[05:01] <testhuman> Triffid_Hunter: That sounds like an utter nightmare to troubleshoot
[05:01] <Triffid_Hunter> cfhowlett: he lost a lot of hair before stumbling on the problem and consequently evident solution
[05:01] <ngie> that crazy
[05:01] <cfhowlett> Triffid_Hunter, I think that one might deserve an entry in the hall of infamy
[05:01] <testhuman> This is why i left IT
[05:01] <ngie> lol
[05:02] <Euph0ria> Yep.  I'd have just bought a new MB long before then.  :D
[05:02] <ngie> that and ...you make 40 bucks for building systems ..lol
[05:02] <testhuman> accounting may have a higher suicide rate but the numbers leave less to chance. Less hair pulling. Except when Quickbooks breaks..
[05:03] <ngie> i always suffered from people wanting there 386 to run like a quadcore
[05:03] <ngie> its only 5 yrs old why is it running so slow
[05:03] <ngie> lol
[05:03] <Euph0ria> lol
[05:05] <ngie> thats how i first started using ubuntu
[05:05] <ngie> shitty computers laying around ..
[05:06] <ngie> and everyone wanting to get online in the house
[05:06] <Euph0ria> Can always set it up as a terminal for a thinmachine.
[05:06] <Euph0ria> err, thinclient.
[05:06] <ngie> then done that
[05:06] <ngie> what does that invovle
[05:07] <Euph0ria> Run a VM on another, faster machine, use the 386 to remote in.
[05:07] <ngie> oh ok
[05:07] <ngie> never even thought of it
[05:07] <ngie> this was along time ago now though
[05:07] <Triffid_Hunter> ngie: haha yeah I remember being at a friend's place and they were getting abysmal performance on cable.. rolled a linux box from spare parts they had lying around and all was well
[05:08] <Euph0ria> You'd need vSphere or even ESXi and it'll do all the load balancing and all that.  The host computer just needs to be fast enough to handle the remmote access.
[05:08] <ngie> this was the out dial up days
[05:08] <Triffid_Hunter> ngie: funniest part was this was in the mid-2000s and I rolled a 386SX with 16MB ram, put smoothwall, and it beat the utter pants off their cots router
[05:08] <ngie> hahahaa
[05:09] <ngie> and everyone was blue screening everyone else lol
[05:09] <ngie> the old no firewall dail up modem attack
[05:10] <ngie> ill packet attack you for saying that ....lol
[05:10] <ngie> irc wars
[05:10] <ngie> lol
[05:10] <Triffid_Hunter> ngie: heh ctcp ping ath0+++ ?
[05:10] <Euph0ria> ngie: Oh, I remember all that.  The damn college students had the freaking T1 connections and could disconnect you just with a ping attack.  lol
[05:11] <ngie> yea lol
[05:11] <Triffid_Hunter> my modem had guard time so was immune
[05:11] <Triffid_Hunter> needed 50ms of silence on the serial before it would accept mode switch to AT
[05:11] <ngie> everyone was in awe of a t1 connection
[05:11] <ngie> lol
[05:12] <Triffid_Hunter> that whopping 64k? yeah, 28.8 was painful
[05:12] <ngie> serving the warez to the masses
[05:12] <ngie> lol
[05:12] <Euph0ria> Oh the nostalgia.
[05:12] <ngie> and looking for open ftps to upload to...for warez
[05:12] <Euph0ria> Or IRC DCC server.
[05:12] <ngie> yea
[05:13] <ngie> laughs...memorys of irc
[05:13] <ngie> i remember waitng days to download a movie
[05:14] <ngie> and when you got it ...you were like wow!
[05:14] <Euph0ria> When MP3 was cutting edge.  And XviD was a revolution.
[05:14] <ngie> yes
[05:14] <ngie> i remember when mp3 were only something you got from irc
[05:14] <ngie> lol
[05:15] <Euph0ria> I used Usenet a lot.
[05:15] <ngie> arhh ok
[05:15] <Euph0ria> alt.bin newsgroups for almost anything you could imagine.
[05:15] <ngie> oh god
[05:15] <testhuman> Alright, thanks for the help guys. I'm going to give it another crack tomorrow.
[05:15] <ngie> i use to love newsgroups
[05:16] <Euph0ria> Started there, then migrated to other places, like IRC.
[05:16] <ngie> max out your connectino
[05:16] <ngie> connection
[05:16] <Euph0ria> testhuman: Good luck and relax for now.
[05:16] <ngie> i forgot all about newsgroups
[05:16] <ngie> good luck TH
[05:17] <testhuman> Peace out peeps, I'll be sure to update y'all at some point.
[05:17] <ngie> roger that
[05:17] <testhuman> This could be a great excuse to finally pick up a 1TB 850 Pro and start fresh.
[05:18] <ngie> when torrents first came out ....i thought this wont work
[05:18] <ngie> but it went totally insane
[05:18] <ngie> lol
[05:18] <ngie> pretty much killed irc and newsgroups
[05:18] <Euph0ria> ...napster, clones of napster, then DC+, then torrents.
[05:18] <ngie> oh napster
[05:19] <ngie> god i loved that program
[05:19] <ngie> lol
[05:19] <ngie> i had so many HDD connected ..and sharing
[05:19] <Euph0ria> Same here.  Almost a whole terrabyte!
[05:19] <ngie> lol
[05:20] <ngie> yep
[05:20] <ngie> i went crazy when i goot a 300kbs connection
[05:20] <Euph0ria> I still have some IDE hard drives I need to look through, just for nostalgic reasons.
[05:20] <ngie> lol
[05:21] <Euph0ria> Find my old chat logs, maybe images and ascii art from my BBS days.
[05:21] <ngie> lol
[05:21] <ngie> ascii art
[05:21] <ngie> lol
[05:21] <ngie> too funny
[05:21] <Euph0ria> ANSI art.  Color and animation.  :D
[05:21] <ngie> and .wav files
[05:22] <ngie> they were big back then
[05:22] <Euph0ria> Adlib, then SoundBlasters..
[05:22] <Euph0ria> IRQ juggling.
[05:22] <ngie> i couldnt believe how many people were on freenode
[05:23] <ngie> thought it was a mass of buts
[05:23] <ngie> bots
[05:23] <ngie> lol
[05:23] <ngie> prob is on alot of channels
[05:23] <ngie> i remember watching convos in channels of people thinking that were talking to someone
[05:23] <ngie> but it was just a but
[05:23] <ngie> bot
[05:23] <ngie> lol
[05:23] <Euph0ria> Lots of people idling.  It's probably the most regulated IRC network.  Freenode, then DalNet, then Undernet, then EfNet was just a total free-for-all.
[05:24] <ngie> yea
[05:24] <ngie> i use to be on efnet mostly
[05:24] <purplepod> many of us use a znc or other bouncer. leaves a client connected 24/7, we just connect to it when we want/have time
[05:24] <Euph0ria> Yep.  It was the biggest.
[05:25] <ngie> was alot of fun
[05:25] <ngie> no facebook or shit like that
[05:25] <ngie> back then
[05:25] <Euph0ria> Yep!
[05:26] <ngie> xxx passwords
[05:26] <Euph0ria> Before ICQ even, which was like, the first instant messenger.
[05:26] <ngie> omg
[05:26] <ngie> omg i forgot about icq
[05:26] <ngie> everyone that was on irc ...pretty much had a icq acct
[05:26] <ngie> the little green flower
[05:26] <ngie> lol
[05:27] <Euph0ria> I still remember my ICQ ID#.
[05:27] <Euph0ria> Doesn't work anymore, but I remember it.
[05:28] <ngie> omg thats amazing
[05:28] <ngie> i remember my username on ..here from 20 odd yrs ago
[05:28] <ngie> but thats about it
[05:29] <Euph0ria> Kinda like remembering my phone number as a kid growing up in the 70's
[05:29] <ngie> how old are you Euph
[05:29] <Euph0ria> ngie: 43.
[05:29] <Euph0ria> I'm old old school.  I remember chiseling my first dumb terminal out of stone...
[05:30] <ngie> blahaha
[05:30] <ngie> same
[05:30] <ngie> turn 43 in dec
[05:30] <ngie> so im a young43
[05:30] <ngie> lol
[05:31] <ngie> how got a ubuntu question ...lol something different
[05:32] <ngie> whats the best program to scan for viruses before copying them over the windows
[05:32] <Euph0ria> Something on topic.  Wow.  It's slow in here at the moment.
[05:32] <ngie> there all here they just like watching
[05:34] <Euph0ria> On Ubuntu?  Not a lot of AV software for Linux.  ClamAV maybe, but I'd setup a network SMB to your VM and scan the files using something like Avira Free.
[05:34] <ngie> SMB?
[05:34] <cfhowlett> !malware
[05:34] <cfhowlett> !antivirus
[05:35] <Euph0ria> err, a network share.  SMB is just a windows compatible network sharing service.
[05:35] <ngie> oh ok
[05:35] <ngie> thanks CF
[05:35] <ngie> samba huh
[05:35] <ngie> lets have a looky
[05:36] <ngie> i was like why is the writing in russian ..lol...bloody proxy
[05:36] <ngie> lol
[05:37] <ngie> arhh i dont need samna
[05:37] <ngie> samba
[05:37] <ngie> as vmware lets ya drag drop
[05:37] <Euph0ria> Yes, but then it doesn't get scanned before moving it.
[05:37] <ngie> ohhhh
[05:38] <ngie> so samba will scan it before moving...correct?
[05:38] <Euph0ria> Not that dragging-dropping wouldn't work, so long as you were careful not to run any executables.  lol
[05:38] <ngie> lol
[05:38] <Euph0ria> But I thought the idea was to scan them before they touched Windows soil.
[05:39] <ngie> yes
[05:39] <ngie> it is
[05:39] <ngie> thats the plan
[05:40] <ngie> like most games i buy for online use ....but i like downloading them and seeing if i like em ..so i normally get a pirate copy
[05:40] <ngie> but i do like to scan for trojans and shit
[05:40] <Euph0ria> It's worth looking into anyway, if you plan on using Ubuntu/Windows together.
[05:40] <ngie> what should i be looking into
[05:40] <ngie> a smb?
[05:40] <ngie> or samba
[05:41] <ngie> whats the best way to go about this
[05:41] <Euph0ria> Networking your linux machine with windows.
[05:41] <ngie> its only vmware ...not 2 different computers
[05:41] <Euph0ria> Lookup info on samba.
[05:41] <ngie> ok
[05:42] <Euph0ria> ngie: Yes, but you can network the two together, the VM, and the host.  Make your linux share read-only and run your scans from there.
[05:43] <Euph0ria> Err, run Windows AV software to scan whatever you've downloaded on the ubuntu VM.
[05:43] <michael2> hi, I am runnig a live USB of ubuntu 16.04. my apt config tells me there is a whole bunch of packages available on my "cdrom" - does anyone know how I can install packages from this cdrom?
[05:45] <cfhowlett> michael2, install?  as in permanent install?  on a live session? nope
[05:46] <ngie> ok so i can scan files on the ubuntu vm if i run a smb?
[05:46] <ngie> brb smoke
[05:47] <michael2> cfhowlett: you can install packages into a live USB session with ubutntu - they will only persist for the session though
[05:47] <cfhowlett> precisely my point
[05:47] <cfhowlett> assuming the cdrom is enabled as a software source, sudo apt install package name or dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:49] <Euph0ria> michael2: Add the CDrom as a source like cf said, refresh your sources, then see what you have to choose from. Will you have internet connectivity on your livecd session?
[05:50] <Euph0ria> michael2: Because if you do, just use to grab temporarily lived software.
[05:51] <Euph0ria> err, just use your internet connection to download the latest whatever.
[05:53] <michael2> Euph0ria: the CDrom is pre-enabled as a source - however apt-cache policy seems to tell me priority will be give to the packages  on archive.ubuntu,com apt server - so I have commented them out of /etc/sapt/sources.list - and about to apt-get update now
[05:54] <Euph0ria> ngie: Yes, you can setup a samba share on your linux VM so your windows can mount and scan.
[05:54] <ngie> thanks
[05:54] <michael2> Euph0ria: I will have intermittent internet access - but trying to force installs from the cdrom where possible
[05:55] <Euph0ria> ngie: Maybe one day you'll want to setup a file-server running ZFS and knowing a bit about networking will come in handy that way.
[05:55] <michael2> Euph0ria: hope that makes sense - what I just said
[05:56] <Euph0ria> michael2: I see.  You won't be able to install anything too elaborate.
[05:56] <Euph0ria> Really, I wish apt worked more like torrents for conditions like spotty or slow internet connections.
[05:57] <Euph0ria> Or rather, there was a torrent-like alternative.
[05:57] <Euph0ria> right now, it works just like an FTP transfer.  If it fails, you gotta start all over again.
[05:58] <Euph0ria> Well, except there's resuming but you risk corruption.
[05:59] <michael2> Euph0ria: if the apt server was hosted on nginx - apt could send an http "range" header -e.g. Range: bytes=2994-333303
[06:00] <Euph0ria> michael2: In any case, it's rather ill-equiped for a spotty internet connection.
[06:00] <michael2> Euph0ria: if  you are running journaling file system like ext4 - you can generally resume without corruption
[06:01] <Euph0ria> michael2: I mean data corruption from the interrupted/resume of the transfer, not corruption on the filesystem.
[06:01] <Euph0ria> And you won't know if it's corrupt or not until it's finished and a checksum is done.
[06:03] <michael2> no im meant you shouldn't get corruption  of the file - and checksum should be unnessary - unless the source actually changed in the time during the interuption
[06:04] <michael2> I enabled the cdrom - its looks like ive got 32 packages available from cdrom - does that sound rught?
[06:05] <Euph0ria> michael2: lol, stopping and resuming files makes data corruption (not the file on the filesystem) increasingly likely.  If you use a package manager, it usually runs a checksum check on the file to make sure you haven't missed or corrupted any data during the transfer, or you can do it yourself manually.
[06:06] <Euph0ria> michael2: Honestly, I have no idea.  I haven't used a cdrom as a source for packages in ages.
[06:07] <Euph0ria> I couldn't guess which distro has what packages as a source on it.
[06:12] <michael2> how is data corruption even possible? the filesystem wont proceeed to updating the file and block information until in _knows_ its good. any lost of connectivity - even a physicall power loss shouldn't corrupt any data that gets referenced. yes partiaally written data on disk willbe bad but no program will ever know of its existence - thats all part of filestysem design
[06:14] <Euph0ria> michael2: You're confusing filesystem corruption with corruption of a datastream.
[06:15] <Euph0ria> michael2: The filesystem is irrelevant.
[06:15] <Euph0ria> I'm talking about corruption that can happen when you start/stop a transfer several times over a spotty internet connection.
[06:16] <michael2> so you're saying the application is getting bad tcp packets ?
[06:17] <Triffid_Hunter> sure, last time I checked the tcp checksum only covers the header, not the payload
[06:20] <Euph0ria> michael2: If you have a spotty internet connection, the possibility of data corruption becomes more likely, and you can find yourself with a corrupt file. ..not a corrupt filesystem as the FS has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
[06:20] <Euph0ria> lol
[06:20] <Euph0ria> wow.
[06:26] <Euph0ria> Thinking it's time for a bit of sleep.
[07:48] <Lope> I've installed ubuntu on an encrypted LVM volume called foo. then I installed ubuntu again on another encrypted LVM volume. I used the same ext4 partition for grub and didn't format it the 2nd time, but the installer removed my foo_crypt boot entry and I didn't back it up.
[07:49] <Lope> I've booted up in the non encrypted LVM volume's ubuntu. I've mounted foo_crypt with luksOpen. I ran update-grub but it has not found foo_crypt, even though it's shown in `fdisk -l`
[07:53] <Haris> hello all
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> welcome Haris what can we do for you
[07:55] <Haris> I have run a laravel cli command for queue. Its showing 3 different process IDs. https://pastebin.ca/3976196 . Is this one process running or multiple php processes that its running. I need this explaination for demonstrating something to someone
[07:55] <TJ-> Lope: As I said in ##linux yesterday, when installing multiple distros with a single boot manager, only OS should install/use GRUB. This is especially true with an encrypted alternate install since the other OS's don't know how to access the encrypted install and therefore tools like os-prober cannot discover the encrypted OS, and therefore it doesn't get added to GRUB's menu
[07:56] <TJ-> Grrr, typo ... "... only one OS ..."
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> Haris: seems like there's a big #laravel channel
[07:56] <Haris> Yes. I'm already there
[07:56] <Haris> my query is ubuntu related
[07:57] <Haris> I'm running laravel's command. But my question is regarding output from ps on shell on ubuntu
[07:57] <Haris> please verify
[07:58] <TJ-> Haris: looks like you've got 2 php processes there, 25768 and 26959
[07:58] <Haris> yes. I know that
[07:58] <Haris> I believe this is output from ubuntu's version of ps
[07:58] <Haris> on centos I don't get output like this
[07:58] <Haris> for the same command
[07:59] <TJ-> so the answer is "multiple php processes"
[07:59] <Haris> are you sure ?
[07:59] <Haris> I'm running a single command. how can it be running multiple procs ?
[07:59] <TJ-> Haris: it shows 2 different command lines, 2 different PIDs
[07:59] <Haris> I know its showing two PIDs
[07:59] <TJ-> Haris: presumably one launches/forks another ?
[08:00] <Haris> ofcourse, its a possibility
[08:00] <Haris> please, Is anyone else in the community active at this time ?
[08:00] <TJ-> Haris: you're better off using the POSIX rather than BSD flags for 'ps' though, they show the Parent PID too, as in "ps -efly | grep php"
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> Haris: can pstree help?
[08:08] <Haris> got disconnected
[08:09] <Haris> is pstree available with this same name on 14.04.5 ?
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> Haris: should be, man pstree
[08:14] <Haris> why the heck does ubuntu show one process that's running in shape of multiple processes in output from ps ?
[08:14] <Haris> it confuses people
[08:16] <Flannel> Haris: Do you have an example? I'm not sure I follow.
[08:17] <Haris> I have run a laravel cli command for queue. Its showing 3 different process IDs. https://pastebin.ca/3976196 . Is this one process running or multiple php processes that its running. I need this explaination for demonstrating something to someone
[08:17] <Haris> its method of showing output is becoming reason of causing confusion
[08:17] <Haris> ..for a layman coder/developer
[08:20] <Haris> this ( sh -c "/usr/bin/php5" artisan queue:work  --queue="default" --delay=0 --memory=128 --sleep=3 --tries=3 --env=local ) part is not showin in output on centos. no one gets confused there. on ubuntu when I'll show this output to someone, they'll never believe its only one php laravel queue listen main process and one php laravel worker processes running
[08:20] <Flannel> Haris: So, that only shows php running once (the first line).  Everything else is your invocation of it through the shell.  ps shows processes.
[08:20] <Haris> %s/showin/showing/
[08:20] <Haris> on centos, for e,g, this line starting with sh is not shown
[08:21] <Haris> why does ps on ubuntu show it ?
[08:21] <Haris> is there a way for me to "remove" this method of its output ?
[08:21] <Haris> invocation or display
[08:21] <Flannel> Haris: And you're 100% sure you're invoking it identically on centos and ubuntu?
[08:21] <Haris> yes
[08:22] <Haris> the line starting with sh is extra in output from ps on ubuntu
[08:22] <Amichai> trying to connect to a sa,
[08:22] <Haris> extra info that ubuntu is showing or extra method of invocation or running something on shell on ubuntu
[08:22] <Flannel> Haris: And the shells are all the same?
[08:22] <Haris> yes
[08:22] <Haris> bash
[08:22] <Flannel> Haris: ubuntu uses dash for sh.
[08:22] <Amichai> trying to connect to a samba printer on ubuntu 16. cannot browse the printers on the domain
[08:23] <Haris> let me check
[08:23] <Flannel> Haris: so, change that to bash -c yadda yadda and see if it's identical.
[08:23] <Haris> in output of set|egrep -i shell, its showing me
[08:23] <Haris> SHELL=/bin/bash
[08:23] <Haris> SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:emacs:hashall:histexpand:history:interactive-comments:monitor
[08:24] <Amichai> when I click the domain name it comes up empty after a short while
[08:24] <Haris> is this dash or bash ?
[08:24] <Flannel> Haris: your interactive shell is bash, but a /bin/sh shebang will default to dash.
[08:25] <Haris> yes!
[08:25] <Haris> can I do away with this ?
[08:25] <Haris> does using bash in place of dash have any shortcomings ?
[08:25] <Flannel> Haris: like I said, try invoking that command with bash -c "/usr/bin..." instead of sh -c, see if it makes a difference.
[08:26] <Haris> ok
[08:26] <Haris> although .. ok .. let me try first
[08:26] <Flannel> Haris: bash is heavier, which is why the default sh was switched to dash.
[08:26] <Amichai> anyone?
[08:27] <Flannel> Haris: But honestly, you should just teach whomever is reading your output to not freak out.
[08:27] <Haris> I tried
[08:27] <Haris> believe me, I'm still doing it, as I speak here
[08:28] <ducasse> Flannel: the reason it show that as two processes is that they are. one is the shell that starts php, the second is php itself
[08:28] <ducasse> *shows
[08:28] <Flannel> ducasse: I know.
[08:28] <ducasse> that was for Haris, sorry
[08:28] <Flannel> ducasse: I have a feeling he knows too.
[08:30] <Flannel> Haris: did invoking it with bash directly get rid of the second layer of shell?
[08:30] <Haris> yes
[08:31] <Flannel> Haris: makes sense.  You're just using bash to call php, instead of bash calling dash calling php.
[08:31] <Lope> TJ-: thanks dude
[08:32] <Lope> TJ-: I'm trying to setup grub manually and having trouble finding what files to edit
[08:32] <Haris> awesome
[08:32] <Haris> thank you all
[08:33] <Flannel> Haris: Note, if you're using a different interactive shell, and then specifying bash, you'll have the same "problem"
[08:33] <Lope> /boot/grub/grub.cfg says I must not edit it. Though in the past I've edited this file with success, the problem is it gets klobbered just by upgrading grub2 package or upgrading a kernel etc
[08:33] <Lope> if I look in /etc/grub.d/ there are a bunch of scripts there that don't really look like I should be editing them
[08:33] <Lope> They're a lot more complicated than grub.cfg
[08:33] <EriC^^> Lope: you can edit /etc/default/grub or /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[08:34] <EriC^^> what are you trying to edit?
[08:34] <Lope> Eric: I've got 2 ubuntu 16.04 installed on the same computer.
[08:34] <Lope> One is inside an encrypted LVM, one is inside a non-encrypted LVM.
[08:35] <Lope> I first installed the encrypted one, and that booted. Then I installed the non encrypted one, and it removed the grub entry of the encrypted one.
[08:36] <Lope> Now in the non-encrypted ubuntu I've mounted the encrypted ubuntu LVM volume and then I ran update-grub, but OS-prober didn't find it.
[08:36] <EriC^^> Lope: reinstall grub from encrypted one and update-grub from there
[08:36] <Lope> Well, the question is how can I boot the encrypted one? chroot into it?
[08:36] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:37] <Lope> So you reckon it'll see the non-encrypted ubuntu volume?
[08:37] <EriC^^> yeah it should
[08:37] <Lope> okay, thanks
[08:37] <EriC^^> np
[08:38] <Lope> then the next question, can I make /boot/grub/grub.cfg read only?
[08:38] <Lope> so it doesn't get messed up by either distro?
[08:38] <Lope> after I've got it working
[08:38] <Mathisen> just make a copy
[08:38] <EriC^^> Lope: if it's a separate /boot partition they won't touch eachother
[08:38] <Lope> Mathisen: I don't want it to break every time I run apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade
[08:39] <Mathisen> it wont
[08:39] <Lope> eric: it's one /boot partition for both installations
[08:39] <EriC^^> that's complicated
[08:39] <Mathisen> Lope, you should have mentioned that
[08:39] <Lope> I've got sda1: /boot (for both) sda2 EFI, sda3 LVM, LV1(ubuntu encrypted) LV2(ubuntu not-encrypted)
[08:40] <aaa_> hello
[08:40] <Lope> Sorry, but the above should make it clear
[08:40] <EriC^^> Lope: i think the encrypted one won't add the non-encrypted one in that case
[08:40] <badboyjer> who likes blob blog?
[08:40] <Mathisen> nope it wont, need to edit 40_custom and add it manual
[08:41] <Lope> okay, well I might as well give it a try.
[08:41] <Lope> Then I'll just remove grub2 from the non-encrypted one.
[08:41] <bazhang> badboyjer, thats not topical here
[08:41] <Lope> (if it works)
[08:48] <TJ-> Lope: I'm thinking you might need to add your own /etc/grub.d/40_custom code that you 'teach' how to unlock the encrypted LVs and help os-prober/grub-mkconfig create menuentry's for them
[08:49] <Lope> update-grub on the encrypted ubuntu didn't find the non-encrypted ubuntu.
[08:49] <Lope> I've just run it from the encrypted ubuntu and it's probably removed the unencrypted one now hehe.
[08:50] <Mathisen> Lope, side question: how exactly did you chroot into the install
[08:51] <TJ-> Lope: might be worth looking at the os-prober code; I recall I added additional logic to it once to detect side-by-side installs like you're doing, but that was many years ago before I switched to testing in VMs
[08:53] <Lope> Mathisen: I booted into the non-encrypted ubuntu (the last one that was installed and only one that was in grub) then I ran luksOpen on the encrypted LVM. Then I mounted it. Then i `cd'd` into it. Then I ran mount -o rbind for boot dev proc and sys. Then I chrooted into it. Made an etc resolv.conf file and it was functional.
[08:53] <Mathisen> ok :) looks good
[08:54] <Mathisen> was just asking, seen a few just chroot and thats it and forget the rest
[08:55] <TJ-> Lope: tip. "mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /target/etc/resolv.conf" :)
[08:55] <Lope> Boot failed now. And keyboard is not working in the grub screen.
[08:56] <Lope> haha. cool. I normally just slap 8.8.8.8 on it
[08:56] <Lope> Installation is broken now. Can't boot haha
[08:56] <Lope> Bugger.
[08:56] <Lope> Okay I'm going to get this working in a VM on my main computer, will be easier to copy and paste stuff.
[08:57] <Lope> It dies saying /dev/mapper/foo_crypt does not exist.
[08:57] <Lope> So it seems the chrooted encrypted LV didn't know it is encrypted.
[08:59] <Lope> It's not good that update-grub overwrites other OS boot entries.
[08:59] <Lope> I'm not saying I can make it work better, but it's not ideal :)
[09:19] <CyberZaZa> hello
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> CyberZaZa: welcome, how can we help you?
[09:21] <monokrome> In case anyone else was also wondering about tiled backgrounds, it looks like there's no GUI for it in Ubuntu 17 - but you can `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-options wallpaper` and it'll tile them :o
[09:21] <CyberZaZa> don't need help
[09:22] <TEUKU> helllo
[09:22] <monokrome> org.gnome.desktop.screensaver seems to do it for the lock screen as well :o
[09:22]  * monokrome waves
[09:23] <Lope> check out dconf if you want to automate stuff with gsettings
[09:23] <Lope> oh, i think I may have it backwards
[09:24] <Lope> I'm trying to type a luks password in virtualbox and it's not taking input. (keyboard input worked during install) Any ideas?
[09:26] <katnip> anyone remember the name of the app that darkens your screen at night when the sun goes down?
[09:26] <monokrome> libben: I just use gsettings? https://github.com/monokrome/dotfiles/blob/master/.local/bin/user-wallpapers#L13-L21
[09:26] <monokrome> seems ok
[09:28] <monokrome> The tablet supporrt was working superbly earlier, and now it's randomly not
[09:28] <ducasse> katnip: redshift
[09:28] <monokrome> wat?
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> !who | monokrome
[09:29] <monokrome> ubottu: I'm not
[09:29] <Lope> Ok I connected my USB keyboard to the VM. It didn't take input immediately. I had to reboot it. But then it couldn't display the password screen with the USB keyboard connected. But I typed the password blind, and that worked.
[09:29] <monokrome> lotuspsychje: ^
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> monokrome: talking to yourself?
[09:30] <monokrome> lotuspsychje: No, there are people in here
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> monokrome: this is not a chat, but ubuntu support
[09:31] <ritzx> Hello :) Is this possible to completely disable IPv4 on ubuntu and use it as an ethernet bridge to vm only?
[09:31] <ritzx> and keep gui working on host
[09:35] <monokrome> ritzx: How do you want the ethernet bridge to VM to work? IPv6?
[09:35] <ritzx> monokrome, arp I guess
[09:35] <ritzx> (it's very easy in windows by disabling all protocols in drivers except vm-specific bridge)
[09:36] <ritzx> drivers -> interfaces
[09:36] <monokrome> ritzx: Doesn't ARP use IPv4?
[09:36] <monokrome> I mean, like, won't the addresses resolve to IPv4 addresses?
[09:37] <monokrome> ritzx: Also, usually I think you'd configure this sort of behavior on your VM host instead of guest
[09:37] <ritzx> monokrome, generally I don't care about arp, my ideas is for it to use macs and just route traffic
[09:37] <ritzx> idea*
[09:38] <ritzx> monokrome, yes I want to configure host to just route traffic without using ip
[09:38] <ritzx> ipv4
[09:38] <Mathisen> ritzx, i think you should take a tripp to ##networking
[09:38] <monokrome> Oh. You are writing a new protocol to replace the IPv4 so that ARP resolves to MAC addresses?
[09:38] <ritzx> Mathisen, good idea
[09:39] <ritzx> monokrome, as I said, I don't care about arp really, I just want it to act as ethernet-level bridge
[09:39] <ritzx> from what I've heard it works in win10 easily
[09:40] <monokrome> ritzx: What is your Ubuntu host using for your VMs?
[09:40] <monokrome> Sounds more like a VBox / VMWare / whatevs question
[09:40] <ritzx> monokrome, not really as it's about host configuration
[09:41] <SwedeMike> ritzx: you can try to compile your own kernel with ipv4 as a module, and then blacklist it. However, it's probably easier to just tell ubuntu to not enable IPv4 on the interface at all (basically set the ipv4 address to 0.0.0.0) so it doesn't use it for anything.
[09:41] <SwedeMike> ritzx: you can set interface to "unmanaged" which should mean it shouldn't really do anything IPv4 related on there. What is your reason to completely remove ipv4 from that interface, security?
[09:42] <ritzx> SwedeMike, yes sec
[09:42] <ritzx> SwedeMike, and vt-d seems to be an overkill
[09:42] <ritzx> for now
[09:42] <SwedeMike> ritzx: well, from what I can see IPv4 is build into the standard ubuntu kernel, so only way to really achieve what you're talking about it so compile your own kernel.
[09:43] <SwedeMike> ritzx: if you really really want to be sure.
[09:43] <ritzx> SwedeMike, I was hoping for a simple solution, for instance ipv6 seems to be easily disabled
[09:43] <SwedeMike> ritzx: but then again, I imagine some things will not be happy when there is no 127.0.0.1 etc, so it might be better to just try to disable IPv4 on that interface configuration wise.
[09:43] <ritzx> I am a little worried that disabling ipv4 will break gui etc. Is this the case?
[09:44] <jink> ritzx: Did you try?
[09:44] <ritzx> jink, just "researching" atm
[09:44] <SwedeMike> ritzx: https://serverfault.com/questions/269599/disabling-ipv4-and-use-only-ipv6-in-ubuntu has some suggestions
[09:44] <jink> ritzx: Doesn't research include trial and error?
[09:54] <monokrome> ritzx: I would expect a lot of apps to be hella surprised if you had 0.0.0.0 as your IP address
[09:54] <Mrokii> Hello. I have an issue with a gamepad (MS XBox 360 wired). Sometimes, when it's plugged in, the mousecursor moves on its own to the left, constantly. The same happens in games within Steam, but as it also happens on the desktop, I assume it's a problem of Ubuntu itself. Any thoughts?
[10:13] <Mithran> hai all
[10:14] <Mithran> sudo restart smbd restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[10:14] <Mithran> and i cannot access windows shares in my network
[10:16] <Mithran> is there anyone faced such a problem
[10:17] <Ool> Mithran: 2 restart in one lilne ?
[10:17] <mjayk> Looking for recommendations on good scientific plotting software for ubunu
[10:17] <Ool> line*
[10:17] <Ool> mjayk: as gnuplot ?
[10:18] <Lope> TJ-: I'm wanted to see if the ubuntu installer will be more intelligent this time. I've installed one ubuntu in an encrypted LVM. That works. Now I've booted up into the ubuntu live USB. And I've mounted that encrypted volume the same name as it would be mounted by the first install. Then I installed a 2nd non-encrypted installation in another LV. But it didn't find the foo_crypt installation.
[10:18] <Mithran> Ool: no no, not like that, second restart is the response given back
[10:18] <mjayk> Ool,   i use gnuplot in con with octave its a bit meh, i was looking for something along the lines of origin or veusz
[10:18] <Mithran> Ool: i just entered sud restart smbd
[10:19] <Lope> But What I've done now is I've got the grub menu entries from both. and now I need to merge them into grub.cfg, once that works I'll try using custom.
[10:21] <OlofL> I want to SSH using my local client but using a tunnel to a remote machine. what type of ssh forwarding do I need to do?
[10:21] <lupulo> perhaps the pipeoutputstream not have a global access
[10:23] <Mithran> what shall i do to access windows shares through ubuntu?
[10:24] <Mithran> i installed samba and worked a lot on it
[10:24] <Mithran> previously i was able to access with all, but within a couple of days i cannot access any windows shares
[10:25] <Mithran> showing: Unhandled error message: Failed to mount Windows share: Connection timed out
[10:26] <Mithran> Can anyone help me?
[10:28] <hendryirvin> hello, why my bluetooth is not detected when i turned on my laptop? i must restarted it first then the bluetooth become available
[10:28] <TJ-> Mithran: "connection timed out" suggests the Windows host isn't on the network, or is not listening for SMB/CIFS connections
[10:29] <TJ-> hendryirvin: "restarted" what? the bluetooth service, or the PC itself?
[10:29] <hendryirvin> the pc itself
[10:29] <Mithran> TJ-: windows system is just near me and in the same network
[10:30] <TJ-> hendryirvin: sounds like an ACPI issue, which a warm-boot solves. Try this: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:30] <TJ-> Mithran: but is it's hostname recognised? is it's IP address reachable?
[10:30] <Mithran> TJ-: while am trying to use the command 'sudo restart smbd', then the result shows like this:- restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[10:32] <TJ-> Mithran: ahhh, well that's different. Presumably the system isn't using the upstart init system. I'd assume it's using systemd, so try "sudo systemctl restart smbd"
[10:33] <Mithran> TJ-: ya
[10:33] <Richard_Cavell_> Hello everyone. Yesterday I upgraded my 16.04 64-bit MATE install to 17.10, and then rebooted.  This is what my screen looks like now: https://twitter.com/Richardcavell/status/966088565162684421
[10:33] <Richard_Cavell_> I can get to a root prompt but cannot boot any kernel. Recovery mode doesn't successfully boot either.
[10:33] <Mithran> TJ-:  i can ping from windows to ubuntu, but ubuntu to windows is not showing
[10:34] <TJ-> Mithran: so check the Windows firewall, ensure it's not blocking
[10:34] <Mithran> TJ-: Ok, let me try it
[10:37] <Mithran> TJ-: windows fire wall is checked and its in off mode
[10:37] <Mithran> TJ-: "sudo systemctl restart smbd" worked no error messages
[10:38] <zetheroo> what is the latest status on ZFS in Ubuntu? Is it officially supported?
[10:43] <brainwash> zetheroo: it is supported https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS
[10:44] <ducasse> zetheroo: for data storage, yes, not for the root fs
[10:46] <zetheroo> I see
[10:47] <zetheroo> ducasse: would you know why it's not supported for root fs?
[10:48] <ducasse> zetheroo: not really, i just know the installer is not set up to deal with it
[10:50] <Lope> TJ-: I'm trying to get the system to be able to boot both installations. But if I just add the crypt grub entry to the non-crypt grub.cfg it doesn't work. I've compared the /boot/grub directores, and x86_64-efi/core.efi and grub.efi have different checksums.
[10:50] <zetheroo> ok
[10:51] <Roden> i'm having an issue wehre I can't hear any sound on ubuntu
[10:51] <Roden> In fact, i hear sound, but it's very very quiet (almost inaudible).
[10:52] <Roden> I have tried multiple programs as well as headphones and built-in speakers
[10:52] <Richard_Cavell_> Is it possible to use an Ubuntu 16.04 live DVD to install over the top of an existing Ubuntu installation? (without erasing the extra files that are already there)?
[10:53] <jink> I'm trying to figure out what you want to do.  Can you run a live CD and mount your existing file system?  Sure.  Can you install without reformatting the disk?  Not so sure.  Why would you want that, anyway?
[10:54] <jink> What do you hope to achieve?  Why the need to (re?)install?
[10:54] <Richard_Cavell_> jink, I upgraded from 16.04 to 17.10 and it borked my system. I'm trying to roll back.
[10:54] <jink> Right.
[10:55] <jink> That's a better question, since it explains what you want to do and why.  Now we wait for the wizards to come in and answer that. :P
[10:55] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell_: backup your stuff and reinstall
[10:56] <jink> Richard_Cavell_: I did something similar, the other day, but my system is working fine.
[10:56] <Richard_Cavell_> EriC^^, I do have a backup but I'd make additional backups before wiping the internal hard disk. That will take me ages. Are you sure that's the best way forward?
[10:56] <Richard_Cavell_> (Other than smashing my computer with a hammer and buying a new one)
[10:57] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell_: do you have a separate /home partition?
[10:57] <Richard_Cavell_> EriC^^, No
[10:58] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell_: maybe you could rename your home to /homebackup   (that'd be instantaneous) and delete everything else, then let the installer use the partition as the rootfs without checking the format option
[10:58] <Ben64> i don't think the installer lets you not format the root partition
[10:58] <EriC^^> there's a box, i think it can be not checked, look into it and test in a vm quickly or something first
[10:59] <Richard_Cavell_> EriC^^, Could you do that please?  It's important enough to me.
[11:00] <EriC^^> ok, hold on
[11:03] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[11:03] <raddy> May i remove linux-headers-generic ?
[11:04] <raddy> Is it a critical package ?
[11:04] <TJ-> raddy: if you do the kernel upgrades won't be installed correctly
[11:04] <jink> raddy: Normally, when you remove something, apt will tell you everything else that will be removed as a result.
[11:04] <TJ-> raddy: that package is used to 'Depend:' on the latest linux-headers-$VERSION packages
[11:05] <raddy> But linux-headers-$version itself not required unless i am compiling a kernel module right ?
[11:07] <TJ-> raddy: correct; relied on by DKMS
[11:07] <raddy> Okk. :)
[11:07] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell_: it's installing rn, you should leave the format option unchecked, and it should give you this popup box https://imgur.com/a/rugGd once it's done installing i'll let you know if the files in /homebackup are still there
[11:09] <jair> nacc: are you around?
[11:09] <raddy> TJ- : Linux-headers depends on linux-headers-virtual and it depends on linux-virtual
[11:10] <raddy> TJ- : I am afraid i cannot remove linux-headers at all :(
[11:10] <cart_man> What file does one usually edit to insert System variables and exports?
[11:11] <OlofL> I want to SSH using my local client but using a tunnel to a remote machine. what type of ssh forwarding do I need to do?
[11:13] <raddy>   / is having 1.6GB, but installation of linux-headers-generic is failing due to disk full issue
[11:13] <sadtaco> I seem to be having trouble getting a headless ubuntu install to boot after changing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  If I attach a monitor, I do see the purple of Ubuntu starting to come up, then black screen.  And I can't ssh into it, it doesn't appear on my networks.
[11:15] <cart_man> What file does one usually edit to insert System variables and exports?
[11:19] <EriC^^> cart_man: /etc/environment would do
[11:19] <Richard_Cavell_> EriC^^, Are you still running that install?
[11:20] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell_: just finished actually, it's a success
[11:20] <Richard_Cavell_> okay
[11:20] <Richard_Cavell_> is /homebackup still intact?
[11:20] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:20] <Richard_Cavell_> and you can just rm /home; mv /homebackup /home ?
[11:22] <EriC^^> well, move the files over without the hidden ones
[11:22] <Richard_Cavell_> I want the hidden ones too
[11:23] <Lope> TJ-: I've also noticed the initrd for each one is different
[11:23] <EriC^^> ok, move them all
[11:23] <raddy> Please help
[11:23] <Richard_Cavell_> EriC^^, Alright, I'll do it.  Pray for me.
[11:23] <raddy> I am getting unable to create '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.0-101-generic/include/config/tcp/cong/advanced.h.dpkg-new'
[11:23] <Lope> the encrypted grub install has a different initrd to the non-encrypted one.
[11:23] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell_: make sure the uid matches after moving as well
[11:23] <raddy> But disk is really not full
[11:23] <raddy> inode is %99 used
[11:24] <raidghost> when added intel_iommu=on in grub and activated iommu in bios. And still " No ACPI DMAR table found, IOMMU either disabled in BIOS or not supported by this hardware platform
[11:24] <raidghost> What todo then?
[11:24] <EriC^^> raddy: look for dirs that have a high number of files
[11:25] <raddy> EriC^^ : Is linux-virtual an important package ?
[11:25] <EriC^^> !info linux-virtual
[11:25] <brainwash> raidghost: which hardware platform is that?
[11:26] <EriC^^> raddy: i dont have it
[11:26] <EriC^^> raddy: i guess you do need it though
[11:26] <raidghost> brainwash: 64Bit
[11:27] <Lope> Oh cool. I put the encrypted ubuntu's /boot's initrd file file in /boot and now it booted the encrypted installation.
[11:27] <raddy> okkk
[11:28] <raidghost> brainwash: i might understand your question wrong. give a example if.
[11:29] <Lope> Lol but now the non-encrypted ubuntu install can't boot with the encrypted ubuntu install's initrd file.
[11:34] <raffy> hi
[11:34] <brainwash> raidghost: the exact device name, or the exact cpu model
[11:35] <raidghost> brainwash: model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz
[11:35] <brainwash> raidghost: also, what is the setting name that you've changed in the bios?
[11:36] <raidghost> brainwash:  VT-x
[11:37] <brainwash> raidghost: is there a vt-d setting also?
[11:38] <raidghost> brainwash: i have to check. and give you an answer
[11:39] <brainwash> raidghost: other than that, you have to make sure that your have the latest firmware for your system installed
[11:39] <TJ-> Lope: that is expected, initrd.img's are created specifically for and by the particualar install. They include config files and binaries required to start that specific install
[11:40] <raidghost> to make the system allow passthrough PCI ?
[11:40] <raidghost> brainwash: I might install the firmware for the tvtuner cards on the virthost then i guess
[11:40] <raidghost> and not installing it on the vm
[11:44] <raidghost> brainwash: Thanks for good advices. i will try to quick solve it later today. Have a blessed day!
[11:45] <brainwash> raidghost: good luck
[11:50] <tokam> Hello
[11:50] <tokam> I like to restore a single file that was backupped with deja-dup
[11:50] <tokam> https://askubuntu.com/questions/181272/is-it-possible-to-restore-only-one-directory-with-the-backup-utility
[11:50] <tokam> unfortunately the menu to do so neither opens in nautilus nor in caja
[11:51] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all..and good moro :)
[11:51] <tokam> I see a dialog and it imediately closes
[11:51] <Mithran> hai all
[11:51] <Mithran> i cannot access my windows share through ubuntu
[11:52] <Mithran> i checked the windows firewall and so on
[11:52] <DiecastMessiah> was the share newly setup mathran ?
[11:53] <Mithran> DiecastMessiah: no It was worked earlier, but befor a couple of days it all got messed up
[11:54] <Mithran> DiecastMessiah: when i type sudo restart smbd the result shows like this:- restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[11:55] <DiecastMessiah> k just wondering because i had problem with windows sharing.. it was all over a password...
[11:56] <DiecastMessiah> I not great with this stuff.. but there are times i have to reboot the windows machine and wait a long long time for windows to get it crap together so the share would work...
[11:57] <Mithran> DiecastMessiah: i can see the username, password, Domain form but when i fill it replays;;;; Unhandled error message: Failed to mount Windows share: No such file or directory
[11:58] <Mithran> DiecastMessiah:  Ok let me try restrating the windows machine
[11:58] <tokam> does that take a long time to execute?
[11:58] <tokam> https://serverfault.com/questions/429392/how-to-list-all-available-backup-dates-using-duplicity
[11:58] <tokam> I am running the command now 3 minutes without output
[11:58] <Lope> TJ-: Thanks.
[11:58] <Mithran> Can anybody help me to solve the problem
[11:59] <tokam> I got this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fnjZSfhNDP/
[11:59] <DiecastMessiah> i am sure someone here can help ya.. I cannot really.. newbie here.. but maybe just give a bit more info like what version of ubuntu
[11:59] <Lope> TJ-: I read online now that grub can decrypt an encrypted LVM volume, and you can keep /boot together with the installation. But the Ubuntu installer doesn't like when I try do that.
[12:00] <Lope> "You have selected the root file system to be stored on an encrypted partition. This feature requires a separate /boot partition on which the kernel and initrd can be stored"
[12:03] <TJ-> Lope: right; configuring it is complex (for an installer) and so it's not done because otherwise systems could be left in unrecoverable state if the user forgets their passphrase
[12:03] <Lope> TJ-: but that doesn't make a lot of sense
[12:03] <TJ-> Lope: at least with unencrypted /boot/ there's some control of the boot process available
[12:03] <Lope> If the user forgets their passphrase they're screwed either way.
[12:04] <tokam> Lope: are you talking to me?
[12:04] <Mithran> DiecastMessiah: am using ubuntu 16.04.3
[12:04] <Lope> tokam: not that I'm aware of.
[12:04] <TJ-> Lope: they've got an option, from the initrd, to use an additional unlock method such as a key-file
[12:04] <Lope> TJ-: I see.
[12:05] <TJ-> Lope: whereas GRUB's LUKS support only deals with passphrases
[12:06] <RonWhoCares> How do I find out what package statvfs is part of?
[12:06] <Mithran> can i get a solution on Unhandled error message: Failed to mount Windows share: No such file or directory
[12:07] <Lope> TJ so if I want to keep /boot on the encrypted LVM partition how would I install it, since the ubuntu installer doesn't allow me to? debootstrap?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:09] <Mithran> hi
[12:09] <Mithran> can i have a solution on my windows share
[12:11] <Mithran> i dont know y i couldnt connect to windows share through ordinary proceedings
[12:11] <Mithran> can anyone resopond
[12:11] <DiecastMessiah> mithran: reading around maybe this will help 'sudo restart smbd && sudo restart nmbd' says this will reset smbd and network
[12:12] <Mithran> DiecastMessiah: no it is not working well
[12:12] <JimBuntu> Mithran, I can only respond to say I have no Windows OS machines here really to test the issue.solution with.
[12:13] <JimBuntu> Mithran, If you have time, within a couple of hours this channel will become much more active
[12:13] <jair> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-certification/+question/664756
[12:13] <jair> Hello all we are having this issue :(
[12:13] <Mithran> JimBuntu: i Have got one morething that i can connect with windows using the terminal command "nautilus smb://ServernameOrIp
[12:14] <Mithran> JimBuntu: But cannot connect with it with ordinary procedure,Y?
[12:14] <Mithran> JimBuntu: Did u got any idea
[12:14] <Mithran> JimBuntu: as it shows that some permission issues are with my OS
[12:15] <Lope> TJ-: I'm trying a different setup now. sda1 is grub for the encrypted LVM. The non encrypted LVM is going to have /boot as part of it's own directory structure.
[12:15] <JimBuntu> Mithran, I do not know, but I am thinking your 'nautilus -n' background process may need to be restarted. I have done this manually by killing the existing process and then running `nautilus -n &` on the command line.
[12:15] <Lope> The interesting thing will be to see if the grubs respect each other now.
[12:17] <Mithran> JimBuntu: it cannot mount the windows share just by ordinary way
[12:18] <Mithran> But only Through command line notilus its working
[12:20] <Mithran> restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[12:20] <Mithran> how can i fix this
[12:20] <Mithran> any idea
[12:20] <JimBuntu> Mithran, I am not sure what would be causing this. Unfortunately, I have not used Samba for a few years and don't really ever set up shares with Windows machines any more :-/
[12:21] <Mithran> JimBuntu: Thank you JimBuntu
[12:21] <vfw> Mithran: What version of ubuntu are you on?
[12:21] <Mithran> vfw:  am using ubuntu 16.04.3
[12:21] <Lope> The unencrypted ubuntu doesn't find the encrypted ubuntu's grub which is sitting inside /dev/sda1 how can I make it see it?
[12:21] <Lope> TJ-: ^
[12:22] <vfw> Mithran: Fully updated?
[12:23] <Mithran> vfw: ya updating every day
[12:23] <vfw> Lope: EFI?
[12:23] <vfw> UEFI?
[12:23] <Mithran> vfw: now also doing an upgrade
[12:25] <jair> it's anyone running any poweredge DELL server with Ubuntu 17.10?
[12:26] <jair> we are having a very nasty out of Memory regression issue, every 8 hours approximately the server starts using more and more memory until it crashes
[12:26] <jair> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-certification/+question/664756
[12:27] <jair> I created the following for canonical > https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-certification/+question/664756
[12:29] <vfw> jair: How much RAM?
[12:29] <vfw> jair: Have you run memtest?
[12:30] <Mithran> vfw: updated
[12:31] <jair> vfw: hello again :) thank you for the help, the server has currently a total of 16GB
[12:32] <jair> vfw: i have not run that command, what is that for?
[12:32] <Mithran> vfw: when am trying to do this command "sudo restart smbd" it shows the answer "restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused"
[12:33] <Mithran> how can i solve this connection issue
[12:33] <jair> vfw: I see, you are thinking that the issue is a faulty memory?
[12:34] <Mithran> can any one help me in solving the command "sudo restart smbd" it shows the answer "restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused"
[12:34] <jair> I am also working with DELL support and requested the IDRAC IPMI logs of the server I will be sending that, but in the current logs there are not issues with the memory hardware
[12:35] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[12:35] <raddy> I have installed updates in Ubuntu and rebooted it
[12:35] <raddy> Now my db is absent
[12:35] <Lope> vfw: yes EFI
[12:36] <raddy> I cannot come out of this shock
[12:36] <Lope> Guys why does ubuntu not support having more than 1 linux distro on the same computer?
[12:36] <Mithran> hai
[12:36] <Lope> This is crazy
[12:36] <JimBuntu> Lope, as far as I know it does. Can you give further details?
[12:38] <DiecastMessiah> jair: just guessing but maybe its a memory leak i would check out how much mem is being used when you start it and check every half hour to see if something keep taking more and more memory for no reason
[12:39] <Mithran> can anyone help me with my upstart problem
[12:39] <DiecastMessiah> thinking because it 16gb of ram is why it could be going for 8 hours than crashing...
[12:41] <jair> DiecastMessiah: well we have been monitoring it but the only think that looks strange is systemd
[12:41] <jair> I have a screenshot of the observations we have done
[12:42] <atif5> who is the admin ?
[12:42] <Mithran> hai firends can i have a solution regarding the upstart problem mentioned above
[12:43] <mark721> hi guyts
[12:43] <brainwash> Mithran: why don't you use systemctl restart <servicename>?
[12:44] <mark721> quick question how do i make an alias that only can be used in a certain directory?
[12:44] <mark721> i.e give it a scope
[12:45] <Mithran> brainwash: i used the command sudo systemctl restart smbd.service, and there was no problem in it
[12:45] <brainwash> Mithran: so, everything is fine now?
[12:45] <Mithran> brainwash: but while trying the command "sudo restart smbd" it shows the answer "restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused"
[12:46] <brainwash> Mithran: why do you want to use that command?
[12:46] <Mithran> how can i solve the upstart connect problem
[12:46] <brainwash> probably by booting with upstart as init system
[12:47] <brainwash> 16.04 has systemd as default
[12:47] <Mithran> brainwash: when am trying to connect with my windows share it shows Unhandled error message: Failed to mount Windows share: No such file or directory
[12:47] <DiecastMessiah> mithran: try this page maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/79078/how-to-restart-samba-server/79079
[12:47] <DiecastMessiah> there is wayt o start the systemd
[12:48] <DiecastMessiah> mint and ubuntu 16.04 don;t use upstart
[12:48] <jair> DiecastMessiah: here is the first screenshot > https://ibb.co/dFWw0x
[12:48] <brainwash> Mithran: dunno. I would ask in #samba
[12:48] <joao_> hi
[12:49] <Mithran> brainwash: thank you
[12:49] <Mithran> DiecastMessiah:  thankyou
[12:49] <jair> DiecastMessiah: then after several hours > https://ibb.co/dzvZnc then when it crashed >> https://ibb.co/mdV60x
[12:50] <Mithran> brainwash:  DiecastMessiah  one more result i got:- "Failed to restart samba.service: Unit samba.service is masked."
[12:50] <Lope> JimBuntu: I first installed ubuntu inside an encrypted lvm volume with it's grub installed at sda1. Then I installed an UNencrypted ubuntu on another LVM volume with it's grub self contained. The 2nd installation didn't notice sda1 has grub and the resulting boot menu has lost the encrypted ubuntu.
[12:51] <cart_man> I have some code in my RC.local file that seems to not fire at all. the line that does not fire specifically would be " /etc/init.d/mysql restart "  but it seems to fail and does not continue executing commands after it
[12:51] <brainwash> Mithran: systemctl unmask samba.service
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Lope, run sudo os-prober then sudo update-grub
[12:52] <brainwash> Mithran: I don't know why it is masked, but there could be reason for it
[12:52] <JimBuntu> Yup, that's a GRUB specific issue
[12:52] <Mithran> brainwash: how can i unmask it
[12:52] <brainwash> Mithran: didn't you get my message?
[12:53] <Mithran> sudo systemctl unmask samba.service
[12:53] <Mithran> brainwash: is it correct?
[12:53] <brainwash> yes
[12:54] <Lope> BluesKaj: I've tried. It doesn't find anything.
[12:54] <DiecastMessiah> jair: k well i have no ideas. i was hoping it be one thing showing eating up ram.. which it is.. but i don;t see software doing it in the screen,, guess you'll have to wait for someone that knows more about it
[12:54] <Lope> BluesKaj: os-prober gets run automatically by update-grub
[12:54] <DiecastMessiah> screenshot*
[12:55] <BluesKaj> not newcessarily
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Lope,^
[12:55] <brainwash> Mithran: I meant that you should ask about "Failed to mount Windows share: No such file or directory" in #samba
[12:55] <BluesKaj> lope depends where grub is installed
[12:56] <Mithran> brainwash: Ok brother i will
[12:57] <Lope> BluesKaj: Grub is installed at /dev/sda1 (ext4). It cannot get any more obvious than that, and it doesn't find it.
[12:57] <jair> DiecastMessiah: np
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Lope, some users have more then one drive and some install grub on both ...it's not always obvious
[12:59] <BluesKaj> more than
[13:00] <auronandace> Lope: howis the non-encrypted grub meant to know the presence of grub on a different encrypted partition?
[13:01] <Lope> BluesKaj: I'm saying sda1 is an obvious place that os-prober should look, yet it doesn't find it there.
[13:01] <Lope> This is an EFI system BTW
[13:01] <Lope> auronandace: because the encrypted grub is at /dev/sda1
[13:01] <Lope> I mean the encrypted ubuntu's grub is at sda1
[13:01] <auronandace> Lope: the partition is encrypted
[13:02] <auronandace> Lope: it could be absolutely anything to the outside grub
[13:02] <Lope> sda1 is a 1GB ext4 partition that only contains grub for the encrypted ubuntu LVM volume
[13:03] <Lope> I have also tested first mounting the encrypted ubuntu install before installing the unencrypted ubuntu. It didn't find it in that scenario either.
[13:03] <Lope> But that was when they were both sharing sda1 for grub
[13:04] <Lope> Anyway, right now I have 2 grubs. One on the unencrypted grub's volume. And one at sda1
[13:04] <Lope> and right now the unencrypted one boots because it's the last one I installed.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Lope,  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2266650
[13:05] <Lope> I can edit grub.cfg and make it work
[13:05] <Lope> But I want something that can survive apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade
[13:05] <Lope> with kernel upgrades
[13:07] <Lope> BluesKaj: that's an MBR setup, I've got EFI. And that post doesn't help. Thanks anyway. That post is concerning a single grub installation and a single linux distro.
[13:08] <Olanzapin> I got a tricky question. I'm installing raid5 system and my raidcontroller is an Perc 100. It does not autodetect my raidconfig. I'm installing software raid md the system gets very unresponsive and sluggish.
[13:08] <Lope> Am I the first person here who actually wants to have 2 distros on a single hard drive?
[13:08] <Lope> I find this very surprising that it's so difficult and nobody seems to have a reasonable answer.
[13:08] <Olanzapin> partion the disk using gparted
[13:09] <Ool> Lope: never find a good reason to do this
[13:09] <TJ-> Lope: as I said earlier - if you want GRUB to add entries for the encrypted install from the unencrypted install, add scripts into os-prober that 'know' how to unlock crypt-ed devices so os-prober can probe them. The current default os-prober should find the unencrypted installs from the encrypted one, but if it doesn't you need to 'teach' os-prober to mount LVs
[13:11] <Lope> thanks TJ- I saw you mentioning unlocking the encrypted LV but didn't notice you were talking about doing it for os-prober
[13:11] <Mithran> i didnt get a solution yet
[13:12] <Lope> I'll try figure out how to get os-prober to recognize the unencrypted installation, (seems easier)
[13:12] <Lope> `man os-prober` didn't produce a manpage.
[13:12] <Lope> BTW
[13:12] <TJ-> Lope: most of os-prober is shell scripts, see where they are so you can learn how they work with  "dpkg -L os-prober"
[13:14] <Industrial> Hi
[13:14] <Industrial> Can I configure apt to use cURL or wget?
[13:14] <Industrial> Apt uses its own proxy configuration. I want to use HTTP_PROXY. curl uses that one just fine
[13:14] <Industrial> so I want apt to use curl for downloading, if possible
[13:14] <TJ-> Lope: this'll show what file types are, you'll see it's mostly shell: "file $(dpkg -L os-prober)"
[13:15] <Industrial> so I can just turn HTTP_PROXY on or off and not have to configure /etc/apt/apt.conf just for switching proxy on/off every time
[13:15] <Industrial> (which is 10 times a day)
[13:15] <patoo_001> wget is not as sucure.
[13:15] <AmericanBlend> i wonder what ew 18.04 will bring
[13:15] <patoo_001> why curl?
[13:15] <Lope> TJ-: thanks
[13:15] <Industrial> Have I ever downloaded anything insecure with apt?
[13:15] <Industrial> I dont think ill care
[13:15] <TJ-> Industrial: apt uses apt-transport-* specific 'plugins' - "apt list apt-transport-*"
[13:15] <Industrial> patoo_001: because of what I said above, proxy config
[13:16] <TJ-> Industrial: you can configure APT to use a proxy
[13:16] <Industrial> patoo_001: I dont want to have to edit a config file to tiurn on/off a proxy setting for 20 different apps every time I want to turn on/off my proxy
[13:16] <Industrial> I want APT to use HTTP_PROXY like ALLLL other apps
[13:16] <Industrial> like git, svn, curl, wget, vim, aria2c, etc
[13:16] <patoo_001> torify apt then.
[13:17] <TJ-> Industrial: see "man 5 apt.conf" and the Acquire::http:Proxy option
[13:17] <Industrial> so, like i said, have to edit a config file now 20 times a day :(
[13:17] <patoo_001> torsocks apt-get update
[13:17] <patoo_001> like that.
[13:17] <Mithran> update-rc.d: error: samba Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
[13:18] <TJ-> Industrial: errr, edit once, it's done
[13:18] <Industrial> yeah now I want my proxy off
[13:18] <Industrial> edit again
[13:18] <Industrial> etc
[13:18] <TJ-> Industrial: So create a shell script that does it for you
[13:18] <Lope> TJ-: I figured out a simple solution
[13:19] <Industrial> So where do I open a ticket for APT to support HTTP_PROXY like many many many other programs?
[13:19] <Industrial> archlinuxes package manager does it just fine
[13:21] <Lope> TJ-: I'll remove grub from the unencrypted distro. Then in the encrypted distro I'll add the unencrypted distro to /etc/grub.d/40_custom hopefully in a way that I don't have to keep track of the kernel version of the unencrypted distro.
[13:24] <Industrial> I need to pay for ubuntu support ...
[13:24] <Industrial> There is no git repo for apt?
[13:24] <Industrial> I can't open a bug ticket or pull request?
[13:24] <Industrial> Help isnt wanted? just my money?
[13:27] <skulltip2> what is the default WM of ubuntu 17.10 and how do i change it? I dont like t he fact i cant go full screen on my applications
[13:28] <skulltip2> *some of my apps
[13:28] <JimBuntu> Industrial, is this the APT repo you are looking for? https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt
[13:28] <Industrial> oh, it's not part of ubuntu?
[13:30] <Industrial> JimBuntu: I can't create a ticket. I need to create an account first. I can't create an account. I can only log in.
[13:33] <JimBuntu> Industrial, I was able to create a new account quite easily since you posted that message
[13:34] <Industrial> Me too, apparently it was in the self center behind the link in the sentence "If you are not a Debian Developer, you can register a guest account using our self-service interface."
[13:34] <Industrial> So, I am now logge din an viewing that repo. I'm taking a pretty long time finding the "new ticket" button
[13:34] <Industrial> I already found the new project and new snippet button!
[13:35] <JimBuntu> Industrial, cool. Now you should be able to form, make a new (fature?) branch, add your improvements and do a pull request
[13:35] <Industrial> Nah, because I'm not a C developer
[13:35] <JimBuntu> s/form/fork
[13:35] <Industrial> I can however make an open source contribution in the form of a feature request
[13:35] <Industrial> can't i
[13:35] <cart_man> I have some code in my RC.local file that seems to not fire at all. the line that does not fire specifically would be " /etc/init.d/mysql restart "  but it seems to fail and does not continue executing commands after it
[13:35] <JimBuntu> You should be able to
[13:36] <JimBuntu> cart_man, Do you have any details about the failure, such as logged info?
[13:36] <Industrial> (I'm waiting for the first comment saying "no wont implement" or "lowest priority ever see you in 10 years")
[13:36] <cart_man> No idea... i literally only knows that it does not launch it and crashes the rc.local for the rest of the execution
[13:36] <Lope> TJ-: I managed to get the Ubuntu installer to detect the unencrypted partition while I reinstalled the ubuntu on the encrypted partition. All I did was changed the volume from "do not use" to "ext4" without ticking format or mount etc. Then I got a warning saying that the installer would not do anything with the partition that I've marked as ext4. I pressed continue and whala. There was some error during booting this option about not finding
[13:36] <Lope> hd (0,0) But it works.
[13:37] <JimBuntu> Industrial, could happen, though I doubt it will if it's a worthy request... it's not like you are asking for colorization
[13:37] <TJ-> Industrial: it turns out you're doing it wrong; apt does read the HTTP_PROXY settings
[13:37] <JimBuntu> Industrial, it may turn out that it isn't an APT issue though, but they will be able to point in the right direction
[13:38] <Lope> Now I've removed grub* from the unencrypted volume's distro.
[13:38] <TJ-> Industrial: you are probably forgetting you need to set HTTP_PROXY /for root user/ since apt runs via sudo usually
[13:38] <Industrial> The problem is this
[13:38]  * JimBuntu has been jinxed by TJ
[13:38] <Industrial> I am setting and unsetting the proxy 10 times a day
[13:39] <Industrial> Why cant I just set an env var and be sure programs use it?
[13:39] <Industrial> (I understand what you just typed, and will look for a solution)
[13:39] <Lope> TJ-: now the real test will be running update-grub in the encrypted distro.
[13:40] <TJ-> Industrial: apparently, looking at the source-code, it uses curl under the hood for http/https, and therefore as long as curl finds the expected *PROXY settings in it's environment it'll use it
[13:40] <Lope> TJ-: I ran update-grub. and it found the other install again :)
[13:40] <Lope> Such a "stupid simple" solution.
[13:40] <sere> anyone know of an app i believe i saw in the repos that would allow one go watch/mount live .torrernts
[13:42] <TJ-> Industrial: it's usually set via /etc/profile but again, you'll have to edit that. So you're better off doing something like "sudo HTTP_PROXY="" apt ..." or "sudo apt -o Acquire::http:Proxy=http://xyz  ... "
[13:42] <Industrial> okay
[13:42] <Industrial> thanks :)
[13:42] <TJ-> Lope: I thought it should, os-prober is pretty comprehensive as long as the devices are available
[13:43] <Lope> TJ-: well the device (volume) was "available" but the only thing I didn't do is tell the installer that the volume was ext4
[13:43] <Mithran> how can i fix "update-rc.d: error: samba Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting."
[13:43] <Lope> Interesting. Because it was by default set to "do not use" which is not a bad thing. That way you don't get every single distro appearing in your grub.
[13:44] <Lope> (only the ones you want)
[13:46] <skulltip2> what's with the WM in the latest ubuntu 17.10  ?
[13:46] <patoo_002> how do I see the ubuntu version in my Mint?
[13:54] <skulltip2> i found i can hide the panel bar when overlapped
[14:04] <skulltip2> so the sound effect playing over HDMI when i hit the backspace key turns off my LCD TV.. weird. i turned off the sound effects and now no impact to second monitor
[14:11] <anilsathyan7> hi
[14:22] <obiwahn> apt-show-version -a docker.io
[14:23] <obiwahn> !help
[14:24] <obiwahn> Is there a bot that tells me the version of a certain package?
[14:24] <mithran> the folders under / are locked how can i remove locks
[14:28] <leftyfb> obiwahn: in a terminal, run: apt-cache policy <package name>
[14:28] <leftyfb> mithran: do you mean read-only?
[14:30] <obiwahn> leftyfb: i am on debian/sid
[14:31] <obiwahn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docker.io <<-- this is good!
[14:31] <compdoc> never tried docker
[14:31] <leftyfb> obiwahn: debian isn't supported here
[14:32] <obiwahn> leftyfb: really?
[14:32] <mithran> leftyfb: ya
[14:32] <leftyfb> obiwahn: really. This is #ubunut. Support here is for Ubuntu only.
[14:32] <mithran> leftyfb: under the /
[14:32] <obiwahn> i was asking for the version of a package in ubuntu/17.10
[14:33] <obiwahn> Otherwise I could have obviously used my shell ...
[14:33] <leftyfb> mithran: if your root is read-only, it could be due to a problem with your disk.
[14:33] <obiwahn> mount -o remount,rw /
[14:33] <mithran> leftyfb: chown: cannot access '/run/user/1000/gvfs': Permission denied
[14:33] <mithran> leftyfb: what should i do
[14:34] <leftyfb> mithran: those aren't meant to be modified. What about in your /home? Can you write to that? Or /tmp
[14:34] <leftyfb> actually, forget tmp, that's tmpfs I think
[14:34] <mithran> leftyfb: ohh
[14:34] <mithran> leftyfb: i thought it may accidedtly got locked
[14:34] <leftyfb> mithran: why are you trying to mess with files in /run?
[14:35] <mithran> leftyfb: systemctl enable samba
[14:36] <mithran> leftyfb: Synchronizing state of samba.service with SysV init with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install...
[14:36] <mithran> leftyfb: Executing /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable samba
[14:36] <mithran> leftyfb: insserv: fopen(.depend.stop): Permission denied
[14:36] <mithran> leftyfb: update-rc.d: error: samba Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
[14:36] <mithran> leftyfb: what should i do?
[14:37] <mithran> leftyfb: i thought that the run files may got locked and thats y this mess happens with terminal
[14:37] <hggdh> obiwahn: rmadison should work
[14:37] <mithran> leftyfb: Are u there
[14:38] <leftyfb> mithran: please don't paste more than 1 or 2 lines at a time here. Use pastebin.
[14:38] <leftyfb> mithran: Are you using sudo to enable samba?
[14:38] <mithran> Ok
[14:38] <mithran> ya
[14:39] <leftyfb> mithran: what version of ubuntu?
[14:39] <mithran> leftyfb: 16.04
[14:39] <mithran> leftyfb: 16.04.3
[14:41] <leftyfb> mithran: I'm not sure
[14:42] <mithran> leftyfb: ok Thank you very much
[14:42] <mithran> good night all
[14:42] <JimBuntu> g'night
[14:47] <obiwahn> hggdh: that is awesome! thank you very much!
[14:47] <hggdh> obiwahn: yw
[14:48] <leftyfb> hggdh: rmadison will tell you the versions available in Ubuntu releases when run on debian?
[14:50] <obiwahn> leftyfb: http://paste.debian.net/1011333/
[14:51] <leftyfb> interesting .. hope I remember that binary name the next time I need such information
[15:00] <mzaza> ls
[15:00] <mzaza> ls
[15:00] <mzaza> Wops, sorry!
[15:01] <mzaza> I've used pm-hibernate to hibernate my laptop, now when I've been waiting for over 30 minutes for my laptop to start. After booting up all of what I get is a blank screen. And the LED indicator for the harddrive in the laptop stopped flashing.
[15:05] <mzaza> Why is it almost impossible to get help nowdays on IRC?
[15:06] <AmericanBlend> reasons
[15:07] <mzaza> Sure there is, that's why I asked why.
[15:08] <compdoc> with windows, some devices/drivers dont support sleep properly. might be the same with linux
[15:10] <BillD73> mzaza: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1743094 sound like your issue?
[15:11] <BillD73> mzaza: https://askubuntu.com/questions/999989/ubuntu-17-10-16-04-black-screen-after-hibernation
[15:12] <BillD73> mza see the first reply.
[15:12] <mzaza> BillD73: Yes, the first reply is my issue. I'm reading on the posts.
[15:13] <AmericanBlend> mzaza,
[15:13] <AmericanBlend> mzaza, try disabling tpm in bios
[15:13] <AmericanBlend> if you don't use it that is
[15:14] <AmericanBlend> it's quite common for tpm to cause problems on non-windows systems
[15:14] <AmericanBlend> freebsd wont sleep at all if it's enabled, for instance
[15:14] <mzaza> AmericanBlend: I don't have that in my BIOS conf.
[15:15] <AmericanBlend> then you're just out of luck i guess
[15:16] <BillD73> mzaza: are you on an UEFI system? or older? I've not run across a laptop bios that does not have a power management section
[15:16] <mzaza> AmericanBlend: But since I was in BIOS and you asked me to disable something, I felt I have to disable something, I disabled the Discrete Graphics Card and it worked :D
[15:16] <mzaza> BillD73: Fixed!
[15:17] <foddo> that's.... more of a workaround.
[15:17] <AmericanBlend> ah so switching between graphic chips was the issue
[15:17] <AmericanBlend> the system wasn't doing it properly after waking up
[15:17] <AmericanBlend> probaby possible to fix tho
[15:19] <mzaza> AmericanBlend: There has been issues with my nvidia card since updating Ubuntu. I've tried installing a newer test build from different repos. it worked for a week then probably after updating the system the problem showed up again
[15:20] <AmericanBlend> you might want to use a lts then
[15:20] <AmericanBlend> it does not change drastically
[15:21] <AmericanBlend> same package set for 5 years and major bugfixes and security patches
[15:38] <skulltip2> 17.10 - how can i put a runnable binary on the panel?
[15:38] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I upgraded from 16.04 to 17.10 and now my installation is completely borked.
[15:39] <skulltip2> nm it's in my 'applications' list and i can add to favorites
[15:39] <leftyfb> Richard_Cavell: pretty sure I warned you yesterday
[15:39] <Richard_Cavell> leftyfb, Yep, you did
[15:40] <carlos3> hola
[15:40] <Franklin_A> hola
[15:41] <leftyfb> Richard_Cavell: define borked
[15:41] <carlos3> hola Franklin_A
[15:41] <Franklin_A> :)
[15:42] <carlos3> donde vives
[15:42] <carlos3> :-*
[15:42] <leftyfb> carlos3: Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:42] <carlos3> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:43] <carlos3> no hablo en ingles
[15:43] <Franklin_A> @carlos de donde eres ?
[15:43] <leftyfb> !es | carlos3
[15:43] <carlos3> de venezuela
[15:44] <carlos3> mira como te llamas ubottu:
[15:44] <leftyfb> !es | carlos3
[15:45] <carlos3> yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[15:45] <carlos3> hola franklin_A
[15:46] <Throttled> lol
[15:46] <carlos3> dime hola  Franklin_A
[15:46] <carlos3> hola Throttled:
[15:47] <leftyfb> carlos3: Por favor, vaya a # ubuntu-es. Este canal de IRC solo habla inglés y es solo para preguntas de soporte de Ubuntu en inglés.
[16:03] <Guest633> hello anyone here ?
[16:03] <leftyfb> !ask | Guest633
[16:04] <Guest633> how to login as root in home directory
[16:04] <leftyfb> Guest633: huh?
[16:05] <leftyfb> Guest633: what do you mean?
[16:05] <Guest633> i want to delete a folder from my computer , it says i am not a root user ..
[16:06] <Guest633> how can i become root user for everytime i login
[16:16] <pikle_rick> What's uuuuuup
[16:20] <oussama> hii !!
[16:34] <YADW1> Ragazzi come faccio a disattivare l'autoavvio di sshd all'accensione? Sono su Ubuntu 17.10, non funziona neanche sudo update-rc.d ssh remove
[16:35] <nacc> !it | YADW1
[16:36] <YADW1> (oops, sorry, didn't realize I was in the wrong channel ^^")
[16:36] <nacc> YADW1: np :)
[16:53] <kittenmittens> This is my first time using irc
[16:53] <lordcirth_work> kittenmittens, welcome
[16:54] <kittenmittens> thank you
[16:56] <kittenmittens> what Desktop Envorment are you guys using?
[16:56] <kittenmittens> im using MATE myself
[16:56] <JimBuntu> Welcome kittenmittens.
[16:56] <nacc> kittenmittens: this is the support channel, for helping resolve user issues
[16:56] <nacc> kittenmittens: chitchat can occur in #ubuntu-offtopic (for offtopic stuff)
[16:56] <fx250> How come `setfacl -Rm "u:drc_fx250:rX" /root/.ssh` causes the permissions of /root/.ssh/id_* to have r-x permissions for group?  Before running rsync command, I `chmod 600 /root/.ssh/*` but still, permissions get reset to rw-r-x----.
[16:57] <kittenmittens> oh sorry i thought this was a genreal chatroom
[16:57] <JimBuntu> kittenmittens, come on over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:57] <fx250> I only want to change the ACL permissions, not the non-ACL permissions with the rsync command
[16:57] <fx250> oops, I mean setfacl
[16:58] <nacc> fx250: are you passing -A to rsync?
[16:58] <fx250> nacc, Sorry, no rsync in this part of my question, I made mistake and meant setfacl command
[16:59] <fx250> Working with only chmod and setfacl, the ugo permissions get reset from setfacl to set the ACL permissions
[17:00] <nacc> fx250: you may want to use --test and see if perhaps things like the effective rights mask are changing things?
[17:03] <fx250> nacc, This should explain what I mean: https://pastebin.com/raw/K7C6xuDP
[17:04] <nacc> fx250: and what does getfacl say?
[17:18] <tac> I am fishing for a linux command. Does anything like this exist? It runs multiple commands, then multiplexes their output, sending the output of all the commands to stdout/stderr
[17:18] <fx250> nacc, https://pastebin.com/raw/WstKm35M
[17:20] <fx250> Here is all in one: https://pastebin.com/raw/Dptg5JD1
[17:22] <farhad> i want go to a website that has captcha. how can i check the captcha mark in my terminal. is there any terminal browser that run this?
[17:23] <Thedarkb> I'm having trouble with Timidity.
[17:26] <fx250> Is there a way to use setfacl to ONLY add ACL permissions whilst also preserving default user/group/other permissions?
[17:28] <Thedarkb> It's using 100% CPU and dropping most notes.
[17:28] <lord4163> Why isn't ghdl in the repo?
[17:28] <Thedarkb> and by most, I mean it's only playing about 1/200 notes.
[17:30] <leftyfb> farhad: try w3m
[17:37] <freecoder> i am trying to build mesa from sources on 17.10. to install dependencies i ran "sudo apt-get build-dep mesa", but doing so gives "E: Unable to find a source package for mesa" error. how do i resolve this?
[17:37] <freecoder> i enabled all source repos from "software and updates"
[17:39] <Xano> I'm running 17.10, and need Python 3.5 as well as the stock 3.6. Is it safe enough to get those packages from PPAs for older Ubuntu versions? Or is there another way to install it through APT?
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[17:45] <teamcoltra> Hey Ubuntu people: I have run dpkg --list | grep linux-image and all I get is "ii  linux-image-4.13.0-32-generic    4.13.0-32.35~16.04.1                       amd64        Linux kernel image for version 4.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP"
[17:46] <teamcoltra> However when I run root@files:~# uname -sr I get "Linux 2.6.32-042stab127.2"
[17:46] <teamcoltra> I have rebooted since installing the kernel and I don't see anywhere the 2.6.32 kernel is installed. This is on a VM
[17:48] <OerHeks> teamcoltra, openVZ???
[17:49] <ducasse> teamcoltra: is this a vps? which hypervisor?
[17:49] <OerHeks> that uses a heavily tweaked 2.6 indeed
[17:49] <teamcoltra> OerHeks the kernel looks like OpenVZ but it's KVM
[17:49] <OerHeks> openvz container on kvm, that can well be the situation
[17:50] <teamcoltra> :P That is super dumb if it is... though would make sense why I'm having such a hard time updating the kernel
[17:51] <OerHeks> well, it is cheap, fast, but upgrading the kernel is not possible indeed
[17:54] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVZ#A10.04_LTS_.28Lucid.29
[17:55] <nacc> fx250: sorry, was afk
[17:55] <nacc> freecoder: did you get an answer to your question?
[17:55] <nacc> Xano: why do you need 3.5?
[18:00] <samForever> it failed for no reason
[18:01] <samForever> Anyone want to give me a brief explination of BIOS-mode versus UEFI mode>
[18:01] <samForever> ?
[18:01] <freecoder> nacc: no
[18:01] <OerHeks> !uefi
[18:01] <nacc> freecoder: a) why are you rebuilding mesa?
[18:02] <OerHeks> uefi wants signed drivers, the old bios eats anything
[18:02] <samForever> ok so UEFI is a way to save money by instsalling the "bios" on the harddrive rather than on the motherboard?
[18:02] <freecoder> nacc: want to contribute to mesa, so trying out the build process
[18:02] <freecoder> need to test a patch
[18:02] <akik> samForever: no the bios scheme also used the harddrive
[18:03] <OerHeks> samForever, no, uefi stores data on a small partition
[18:03] <nacc> freecoder: you want to contribute to mesa on 17.10?
[18:03] <nacc> freecoder: that goes eol in a few months anyways
[18:03] <samForever> akik: What I mean is that if I were to remove the harddrive I wouldn't be able to boot because the bios information is stored on the harddrive
[18:04] <akik> samForever: i don't follow you
[18:04] <akik> samForever: you remove the hdd, of course you can't boot
[18:06] <samForever> akik: Let me try to clarify. I used to have an old dell computer. With that computer I could boot off a flash drive when no harddrives were connected to the motherboard. If I have a computer that has UEFI then if I disconnect the harddrive I will not be able to boot off a flash drive because the bios information is stored on the HD. Am I correct in assuming that?
[18:07] <nacc> freecoder: after enabling the source repos, did you run `sudo apt-get update` ?
[18:07] <OerHeks> you can boot from a flashdrive, in uefi mode.
[18:07] <freecoder> nacc: yes
[18:07] <nacc> freecoder: ok, let me try and reproduce it
[18:07] <ducasse> samForever: no, there can be a bootloader on the flash drive
[18:07] <Tecan> it would be neat if caja or nautilus or any gui file manager that would just use the cp command instead of calculating the size etc...
[18:07] <nacc> Tecan: sorry?
[18:08] <Tecan> for copying folders
[18:08] <nacc> Tecan: are you making a feature request?
[18:08] <nacc> Tecan: the right place to do that is with the upstream projects
[18:09] <nacc> Tecan: or you can file a bug in ubuntu, i guess, but it's unlikely to diverge, and if you look at how the code is actually written, you might realize why what you are asking for doesn't make sesne
[18:09] <samForever> ok then UEFI is simply the translator between user input and the operating system and this "translator" is installed on the machine's harddrive?
[18:09] <Tecan> i might make a script for it
[18:10] <nacc> Tecan: why does this matter? are you seeing some sort of slow down in the size calculation?
[18:10] <freecoder> nacc: not mesa on 17.10 per se, the upstream mesa project
[18:10] <nacc> freecoder: right, then you don't wnat to do what you're doing :)
[18:10] <ducasse> samForever: uefi still exists in firmware, just like the old bios did
[18:10] <nacc> freecoder: as you are getting the libraries required to build mesa on 17.10 only
[18:11] <nacc> freecoder: and the mesa package in ubuntu, not upstream mesa
[18:11] <Tecan> when copying 40 gb from a drive with alot of files no one wants to wait to calculate all the file sizes
[18:11] <ducasse> samForever: what is on the hard drive is just the bootloader
[18:11] <Tecan> its a bottleneck
[18:11] <nacc> Tecan: who copies 40GB of file with a GUI? :)
[18:11] <freecoder> nacc: hmm. because even the mesa docs seem to be pointing to this - https://www.mesa3d.org/install.html
[18:11] <Tecan> its handy
[18:12] <nacc> freecoder: oh i see, this is just to get the typical deps installed
[18:12] <nacc> freecoder: one sec, still spinning up a 17.10 instance
[18:12] <Tecan> also some drives sound like they are being overworked when calculating that
[18:12] <Tecan> crunch crunch crunch
[18:13] <nacc> Tecan: again, probably a feature request for upstream
[18:13] <nacc> Tecan: but honestly, seems unlikely to be prioritized
[18:13] <OerHeks> samForever, 'translator'?? no, uefi just protects the OS, by 'secure boot', it does nothing on user basis
[18:13] <OerHeks> it i just the next-gen bios
[18:14] <OerHeks> c/i/is
[18:14] <zergut> hello, how to find some text strings in file on remote server via ssh?
[18:14] <nacc> freecoder: worked fine here
[18:14] <nacc> zergut: grep ?
[18:14] <freecoder> hmm. weird. let me paste my /etc/apt/sources/list somewhere
[18:14] <nacc> freecoder: sure
[18:14] <zergut> nacc: so i just type grep and text i need, right?
[18:15] <nacc> zergut: `man grep`, but you would do `grep <pattern> <paths to search>`, use -R if you want it to recursively search directories
[18:15] <freecoder> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MJC58m98rz/
[18:16] <nacc> freecoder: it's a bit odd to use the archive for binaries, but a mirror for sources (they can get out of sync)
[18:16] <nacc> freecoder: but it should be fine
[18:16] <nacc> freecoder: can you pastebin the exact command and message?
[18:16] <zergut> nacc: im in exact directory, is that mean i dont need to point the path and what does mean recursiv directory search?
[18:16] <nacc> zergut: you always have to tell grep what to search
[18:17] <nacc> zergut: recursive means it will search the passed path and all sub-paths
[18:17] <zergut> and what if it's phrase?
[18:17] <zergut> i need to "it" right?
[18:18] <freecoder> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KbNTj4zD4f/
[18:18] <Tecan> https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/928
[18:21] <OerHeks> !find mesa-dev
[18:23] <OerHeks> i think you want
[18:23] <OerHeks> !info  mesa-common-dev
[18:24] <freecoder> OerHeks: i already have those packages installed. i want to install build dependencies for mesa
[18:24] <freecoder> OerHeks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M3hZV84pyg/
[18:25] <freecoder> nacc: any thoughts?
[18:26] <OerHeks> maybe you are missing mesa-utils
[18:27] <OerHeks> what guide do you follow?
[18:28] <freecoder> OerHeks: i want to build upstream mesa from sources to test a patch. for this i need to install dependencies. https://www.mesa3d.org/install.html says running "sudo apt-get build-dep mesa" should install necessary dependencies
[18:29] <freecoder> OerHeks: but i am getting the following error - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KbNTj4zD4f/
[18:31] <ioria> freecoder,  mesa is 'source' i think; apt-get source mesa
[18:31] <OerHeks> wht do you mean with 'upstream mesa'.. a newer mesa?
[18:32] <ioria> freecoder, not a binary package
[18:32] <ioria> !info mesa
[18:33] <ioria> freecoder, so you get 'E: Unable to find a source package for mesa'
[18:33] <freecoder> ioria: that is what i figure
[18:34] <freecoder> ioria: but even using alternate name for eg libegl1-mesa does not work
[18:34] <frankcab> Continued problem I mentioned the other day, but there's new info.  HP Pavilion g6 2 years old.  Ubuntu 16.04 from USB stick - speakers work.  When 16.04 installed on the HD, speakers don't work, but headphone works.  Here's the new info.  If I right click above the speaker icon, in just the right spot, the speakers start working until I move the pointer from that spot or release the right click.
[18:36] <freecoder> OerHeks: by upstream i meant the main project, not the 17.10 specific package
[18:38] <OerHeks> if i read it right @ point 5, you need libgl1-mesa-dev and libosmesa6-dev is what you need, beside build-essentials
[18:38] <frankcab> why would right clicking on a certain spot make the speakers work?
[18:40] <OerHeks> mesa3d is just a 3d library, not mesa utils dev
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: provide us more details please? ubuntu version, what kind of sound?
[18:42] <OerHeks> maybe this old page gies a clue what you need.. https://nextdime.wordpress.com/2014/06/29/setting-up-an-opengl-mesa-development-environment-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:44] <frankcab> Ubuntu 16.04. When you say what kind of sound, do you mean the sound card on the laptop?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: i mean what happens exactly when you say, make the speakers work? you hear a sound? or does clicking mouse make the speakers work from then?
[18:45] <frankcab> However, I had the same problem with 15.04 and 17.10.  With 17.10 the laptop keyboard and usb mouse also didn't work.
[18:46] <frankcab> I hear whatever is playing - youtube video in firefox or local video file playing
[18:46] <frankcab> Clicking in one specific spot, right click, makes the speakers work until I move the pointer from that spot or release the right click
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: that sounds like a very weird issue
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> !sound | frankcab try these steps first?
[18:48] <frankcab> the volume bar is replaced with an identical volume bar, new one pops up, and the sound bar goes down to half - and I hear the sound from whatever is playing.  If I release the right click - back to silence and sound bar window replaced with original with sound bar all the way to max
[18:48] <frankcab> I have done all that lotus, multiple times
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: you didnt play with like hotkeys on your mouse or so?
[18:49] <frankcab> no
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: like your mouse mute/unmute with left/right mouse button?
[18:49] <frankcab> this happens whether I use the trackpad or USB mouse, with or without USB mouse plugged in (the dongle plugged in)
[18:50] <frankcab> No, it does not mute or unmute.  It shows as unmuted when the sound isn't heard.  It doesn't show anything different when I click right mouse in that spot, other than a new volume meter window appearing and showing half volume.
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: perhaps try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and check if you can trace usefull errors?
[18:52] <frankcab> Ok, what would I look for in that output?
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: try those mouseclicks/sound problem and check if new lines come?
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: feel free to share in a hastebin.com
[18:54] <frankcab> https://hastebin.com/awipuheral.pas
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: doesnt look usefull for the sound issue
[18:57] <frankcab> other thing is when the sound starts, the wireless network icon shows a bump up in reception - fills to the top
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: you got a headset?
[18:58] <frankcab> yes
[18:58] <frankcab> sound works with the headset plugged in
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: check this, might be usefull: http://blog.ronaldmccollam.com/2016/05/how-to-fix-usb-audio-device-that.html
[18:59] <frankcab> no, that's not the issue
[19:00] <frankcab> This happens when nothing is plugged into USB, and the headset is not USB
[19:00] <frankcab> the headset plugs to the audio in/out port
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> ah
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: cant find any decent bugs related on it
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: perhaps consider creating a new bug?
[19:03] <frankcab> what do you mean creating a new bug? You mean a bug report?
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: have you tested this in a liveusb session?
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> !bug | frankcab yes
[19:03] <frankcab> I don't know what a liveusb session is
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: when plugin an ubuntu usb, you can choose to install or try(live)
[19:04] <frankcab> yes
[19:04] <frankcab> when I "try" from the 16.04 USB, the speakers work
[19:04] <frankcab> the problem only occurs from the install onto the HD
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: ok, how about from another user?
[19:05] <hggdh> leftyfb: yes, the debian rmadison can also look at Ubuntu packages -- see https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/devscripts/rmadison.1.en.html
[19:05] <frankcab> it was the same with 15.04, but with 17.10 the speakers didn't work from USB, then the speakers, keyboard and USB mouse didn't work from install on HD
[19:05] <frankcab> Yes, it is the same no matter the user.  I have installed, wiped the drive, installed many times
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: you could add this tests to your new bug
[19:07] <frankcab> ok
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: have you installed external ppa's to your system of any kind?
[19:10] <frankcab> I don't think so.  I don't know what a PPA is.
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: meaning like, 3rd party software from anywhere?
[19:12] <frankcab> no
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: im just thinking along what could have scrambled your sound, if it works live?
[19:12] <frankcab> I am only using this machine temp - so far only run firefox and read PDFs with whatever was on there from install of Ubuntu
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> kk mate
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: try the bug report ok
[19:13] <frankcab> it isn't scrambled.  This happens with every new install.  I wipe the drive, reformat, install.  Same problem.
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: yeah well ok, the install does something that needs deeper investigation
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: your system up to date also?
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: lsb_release -a to check
[19:16] <frankcab> Yes, I installed all updates
[19:16] <frankcab> it says "No LSB modules are available"
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: did you type correctly: lsb_release -a
[19:17] <frankcab> yes
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: next to release: ?
[19:19] <frankcab> it says No LSB modules are available.  next line is distributor ID Ubuntu.  next line Description Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS  Next line Release 16.04 next line codename xenial
[19:19] <filip_> Hello.
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: looks good
[19:20] <filip_> Got my new Ubuntu,
[19:20] <filip_> I have Dual-Boot
[19:20] <filip_> I have Windows 10 and Ubuntu.
[19:22] <TJ-> frankcab: lotuspsychje are there 2 sounds devices on the PC (builtin and HDMI maybe? HDMI has been erroneously set as the default, but the right-click action invisibly selects the builtin briefly?
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: thats an idea
[19:22] <frankcab> no, there's just one device
[19:22] <TJ-> I have to go for dinner, but it's worth checking what alsa thinks
[19:22] <mrFighter> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
[19:22] <edsz> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
[19:23] <Watriyah> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
[19:23] <mengapa_jadi_bot> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> mrFighter: not a topic for here
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> !ops
[19:23] <mrFighter> Join #devuan NOW
[19:23] <edsz> Join #devuan NOW
[19:23] <Surdam> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
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[19:23] <renn0xtk9> I am stucked at 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1562::19)]  when sudo apt-get update.   Any idea why?
[19:24] <nacc> freecoder: sorry, was afk again
[19:24] <nacc> freecoder: did you figure it out?
[19:24] <lordcirth_work> renn0xtk9, that's an IPv6 address.  Probably you don't have a working IPv6 network.
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax
[19:24] <filip_> I enabled Mobile Network on my second Acer Laptop,
[19:24] <filip_> Cause i couldn't find the paper with the password in it.
[19:24] <filip_> So i am connected through my own mobile network.
[19:25] <filip_> :)
[19:26] <lordcirth_work> renn0xtk9, you can force apt to use ipv4 with: echo 'Acquire::ForceIPv4 "true";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99force-ipv4
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: try the bug report, and add as much info you can gather on it
[19:26] <frankcab> ok
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: when added the bug, feel free to share the url here and ask again
[19:26] <frankcab> ok
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: other timezones can also help solving issues
[19:27] <Xano> nacc, Because some software requires it
[19:27] <Xano> (the 2-hour old Python 3.5 question)
[19:27] <nacc> Xano: some third party python stuff (not ubuntu packaged)
[19:27] <frankcab> other timezones?
[19:28] <Xano> nacc, Ah, that's what you meant. Yes, third-party software. I am not planning on replacing system Python :) I merely wish to install additional interpreters I can use when needed.
[19:29] <Xano> I guess what I am asking concretely is if it's relatively safe to get the Python 3.5 packages from 17.04's sources, for instance.
[19:30] <frankcab> what do you mean other timezones can help solve issues?
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: i mean this channel #ubuntu has volunteers from all around the world, so other times give other users to help you
[19:31] <Xano> I even have another project which requires 2.7. We're in the process of containerizing everything but until then I'd like these additional Python versions on my host.
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: new ideas to help you
[19:31] <frankcab> I see
[19:31] <Mathisen> Xano, dont mix repos but you can get it and compile and install yourself
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: this is why we reccomend, to ask again (once in a while)
[19:31] <frankcab> Like Mr. Rogers:  I'll be back, when the day is new, and I'll have new ideas for you...
[19:32] <nacc> Xano: no it is not
[19:32] <nacc> Xano: as those will replace your system python
[19:32] <nacc> Xano: or try
[19:32] <nacc> Xano: it's super easy to spin up an older host
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> frankcab: good luck with the bug report
[19:33] <frankcab> ok
[19:35] <nacc> freecoder: i would try with the archive source repo (not the in. mirror)
[19:36] <eblume> Hi. I'm trying to simply add some additional workspaces to my desktop layout, but I can't figure out the UI for it. I have my laptop monitor and a second external monitor plugged in via HDMI. The laptop monitor has two work spaces (oriented vertically) - I can't seem to add a horizontal row and the controls for it are finicky. The external monitor seems to have NO workspace support, as I can't find out any way to add workspaces to it
[19:36] <eblume> Does anyone have a suggestion for how to add workspaces given the above?
[19:37] <eblume> Perhaps there's a configuration tool not included in 17.10 by default?
[19:42] <mead> hum, I've installed it twice now,  xbuntu freezes upon first boot
[19:42] <nacc> mead: what version of ubuntu?
[19:43] <mead>  16.04 something it is a LTS
[19:44] <nacc> mead: ok, it installed ok? no errors, etc
[19:44] <mead> yeah
[19:44] <lordcirth_work> Boot without "quiet splash" to get more info, maybe?
[19:44] <nacc> mead: define 'freezes' and 'upon first boot'? Does it not load a kernel? Does it get to the login screen?
[19:45] <nacc> mead: lordcirth_work's suggestion is good too, that will emit messages to the screen that are otherwise hidden by the splash
[19:45] <mead> screen has blinky curse in upper left hand corner,  numberlock on keyboard doesn't turn off/on on keyboard... I call that frozen
[19:45] <nacc> mead: that's crashed
[19:45] <nacc> probably
[19:46] <lordcirth_work> mead, do you get a grub menu first?
[19:46] <mead> yeah I got to a grub menu, let me reboot I have to walk over to the system to force it
[19:47] <mead> ok I'm in grub
[19:48] <OerHeks> eblume, gnome tweak tool perhaps?
[19:49] <OerHeks> last item ẃorkspaces´  - disable dynamic, then '4' is selectable
[19:50] <Verge> Do you happen to know which package I need to install in order to make my app compile properly on Kubuntu 17.10
[19:50] <Verge> I get an undefined reference error regarding libmusicbrainz5
[19:50] <Verge> But I already installed libmusicbrainz5-dev ja libmusicbrainz5-2
[19:50] <Verge> And have -lmusicbrainz5
[19:50] <foddo> libmusicbrainz5-dev probably
[19:51] <mead> what do I need to do to discover where it is crashing/freezing?
[19:51] <nacc> Verge: pastebin the exact command and message
[19:51] <lordcirth_work> mead, edit the normal boot entry, find the kernel line, and remove 'quiet splash vt_handoff' from it, then boot
[19:52] <mead> lordcirth_work: can I just comment it out? what character would I use if I can?
[19:53] <lordcirth_work> mead, it's only temporary for this boot, it's just in RAM.  So just backspace
[19:53] <Verge> nacc: https://paste.ofcode.org/RRumhmgg7gRsXeFAAWBqDb
[19:54] <Verge> The qmake pro file is just here: https://github.com/sjuvonen/coquillo/blob/master/coquillo.pro
[19:55] <nacc> Verge: what is the output from qmake?
[19:55] <nacc> Verge: before the error
[19:55] <nacc> Verge: as in, what is it sending to gcc/g++ or wahtever
[19:56] <Verge> aha
[19:57] <Verge> I figured it out that Ubuntu has the lib named as libmusicbrainz5cc
[19:57] <Verge> So -lmusicbrainz5cc
[19:57] <mead> ok, the last line before it stops responding is "acpi:  pci interupt link [lub0] enabled at irq 23"
[19:57] <Verge> nice
[19:58] <lordcirth_work> mead, ok, try rebooting, removing those bits again, and adding:  acpi=off
[20:03] <mead> lordcirth_work: where do I place it?
[20:04] <lordcirth_work> mead, just anywhere, the end will do
[20:04] <lordcirth_work> right where you removed
[20:06] <mead> oh I was spose remove that quite whatever again too? :D
[20:10] <mead> welp, this time it stops at "Net: registered protocol family 1"
[20:13] <lordcirth_work> mead, ok, try without 'quiet splash vt_handoff', but adding 'debug --verbose'
[20:13] <mead> ugh, the world calls, I'm gonna download a different xbuntu image and try later
[20:18] <Doow> I'm trying to install 64bit ubuntu on a Acer One 10, it's a budget machine with 32 bit EFI. I've googled a bit and found a 32 bit EFI image that I'm trying to use (and have gotten to load). The next problem is actually loading the kernel of the installer, which file is that? I can't find any vmlinuz, but maybe that's old :)
[20:19] <Doow> I found a isolinux/isolinux.bin, is that the one? I didn't get it to load due to "invalid magic number".
[20:21] <lordcirth_work> Doow, isolinux is the bootloader
[20:22] <Doow> ah
[20:22] <plujon> One of my computers running lubuntu just froze.  The display was stuck.  The keyboard lights did not work.  Ping from another machine failed.  Then, after a few minutes, it inexplicable rebooted.  How can I debug this?
[20:22] <plujon>  
[20:24] <lordcirth_work> plujon, you could edit /etc/journald.conf to include "Storage=persistent" so that logs will be written to disk in future
[20:24] <lordcirth_work> You may also want to run memtestx86
[20:24] <lordcirth_work> Or any other good hardware tester
[20:24] <plujon> lordcirth_work: Thanks; I'll do that.  /etc/journald.conf does not currently exist; I guess I should create it?
[20:24] <Doow> I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the steps and parts of what goes on when booting to linux. Is it isolinux I should try to load from grub from my "custom" grub EFI file?
[20:25] <ioria> Doow, https://gist.github.com/franga2000/2154d09f864894b8fe84
[20:25] <lordcirth_work> plujon, I suppose so
[20:26] <plujon> lordcirth_work: It's /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[20:27] <lordcirth_work> Oh, the guide I found must have been old.  That makes sense
[20:27] <plujon> Also, "peristent" seems pretty similar to "auto" accordign to man journald.conf
[20:27] <Doow> ioria: thanks!
[20:27] <ioria> Doow, good luck, but if you ask me let it go
[20:28] <plujon> Oh, I see /var/log/journal instead of /run/log/journal
[20:30] <plujon> I would think kern.log would show important stuff.  Hmm.
[20:32] <plujon> Well, thanks.  I'll switch back to the problematic machine now and see what happens.
[20:36] <Lecce> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
[20:36] <Lecce> Join #devuan NOW
[20:36] <Lecce> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
[20:37] <AmericanBlend> ig nsa is after you your computer security is one of the loghtest problems of yours
[20:37] <nacc> !ops
[20:37] <nacc> for Lecce --^ above
[20:37] <Lecce> Join #devuan NOW
[20:37] <Lecce> Do you care of your privacy and afraid of NSA stealing your digital life?
[20:39] <AmericanBlend> is this a proper place to ask someone to unban me at #ubuntu-offtopic?
[20:40] <hggdh> AmericanBlend: go to #ubuntu-ops
[20:41] <xromulus> hilo
[20:56] <Johnson1977> How can I get internet to my raspberry pi with a direct ethernet connection?
[20:56] <Johnson1977> I am getting internet on my laptop via wifi, and I want to share this internet to a staticly configured ethernet connections
[20:57] <Johnson1977> the ip on the static is 10.10.10.10, 255.0.0.0, and no gateway
[20:57] <jordanl> my laptop crashed and now i keep getting a boot failure that the SecureBoot signature could not be found. should i be just disable secureboot in my BIOS or could there be a legitimate security concern here?
[20:57] <leftyfb> !ics | Johnson1977
[20:57] <Johnson1977> the wifi is the default 192.168.0.1
[20:57] <Mathisen> jordanl, you can turn off secure boot
[20:58] <Mathisen> jordanl, some bios have defaut secure boot keys that can be loaded. so you may have that kind of option also
[20:58] <jordanl> is secureboot only valuable for windows operating systems?
[21:00] <mutante> jordanl:yes and no. it's available for Linux but Microsoft doesn't sign anything, so it's eh, something like this long story
[21:00] <mutante> "Using a signed boot loader means using a boot loader signed with Microsoft's key. There are two known signed boot loaders PreLoader and shim, their purpose is to chainload other EFI binaries (usually boot loaders). Since Microsoft would never sign a boot loader that automatically launches any unsigned binary, PreLoader and shim use a whitelist called Machine Owner Key list. "
[21:00] <Mathisen> no, you can use secureboot with linux also, the bootloader need to be signed, and not all dists have that
[21:00] <lordcirth_work> Jordan_U, secureboot is in theory valuable for any threat model where the enemy can change your bootloader but not your hardware.
[21:00] <lordcirth_work> So mostly rootkits
[21:00] <mutante> that was from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Boot   btw   also see  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[21:07] <Doow> I'm trying to follow the guide at https://gist.github.com/franga2000/2154d09f864894b8fe84 for installing 64-bit ubuntu with a 32bit efi. But when I come to the point that the grub menu should show up I get the grub "command-line" instead. Any ideas how to proceed? I can list filesystems and drives without problems.
[21:13] <EriC^^> Doow: so you haven't installed yet
[21:13] <Doow> EriC^^: no, still trying to get the installer to boot
[21:15] <renatorabelo> hi people. I have a problem. I'm having a DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN with chrome and firefox in some websites(ubuntu 17.10 here). E.g www.superesportes.com.br
[21:15] <EriC^^> Doow: try 'configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
[21:16] <fx250> Is it safe to use QT 5.10 to create gui applications that will run on Ubuntu 16 LTS? For example, I see at http://doc.qt.io/qtcreator/quick-projects.hgtml that Qt Quick Application - Scroll requires Qt 5.9 or later, but it seems that v5.5.1 is installed on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[21:19] <Richard_Cavell> leftyfb, I'm back!
[21:19] <Richard_Cavell> Fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04 on my hard disk now
[21:19] <Richard_Cavell> And I'm not upgrading, ever.
[21:21] <Richard_Cavell> Now, I have a file richard.tar.gz on my desktop which is an archive of my /home/richard directory before the crash. What's the correct command to unarchive it right over the top of my home directory?
[21:23] <AmericanBlend> Richard_Cavell, at one point you should upgrade to 18.04 when suport to 16.04 ends
[21:26] <Richard_Cavell> AmericanBlend, this is what happened when I upgraded to 17.10. https://twitter.com/Richardcavell/status/966088565162684421
[21:26] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: from what?
[21:27] <nacc> it seems more likely to be due to using a mac :)
[21:27] <Richard_Cavell> nacc, I went from 16.04 to 17.10. And yes, the fact that I'm using a Mac causes problems.
[21:28] <OerHeks> hmm, maybe wayland-session was your issue
[21:30] <nacc> that would be my guess as well
[21:32] <OerHeks> to unpack a tar of your home...  all depends how you made the tar, https://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/how-to-backup-and-restore-your-home-directory/
[21:34] <Richard_Cavell> I gotta log out temporarily
[21:35] <Doow> EriC^^: after some fiddling I got it to work (iso9660 module wasn't loaded by default) using a path like (hd0.apple1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg. But when selecting "Install Ubuntu" in the menu I get "error: file '/casper/vmlinuz.efi' not found. I'm guessing I need to mount the iso somehow before I load grub.cfg. how do I do that? all examples I find seem to assume that the iso is in a file in the filesystem rather than written directly as the
[21:35] <Doow> filesystem in a partition.
[21:35] <AmericanBlend> Richard_Cavell, yeah, weird stuff can happen like this, but, hte general rule is lts editions are polished and meant for long term, stable use rather than experimentring
[21:35] <Doow> I checked iso and the file does exist in that path
[21:35] <AmericanBlend> i use 16.04 with is an lts and i'm not planning on upgrading. but, eventually the system will run out of support and if  is still will have this machine i'll have to upgrade it to 18.04
[21:36] <EriC^^> Doow: the iso should not need mounting, how'd you make the live usb?
[21:36] <EriC^^> are you using uefi?
[21:36] <EriC^^> nevermind
[21:37] <EriC^^> Doow: just make a fat32 partition, copy the files there, replace the 32bit efi and try booting the usb
[21:37] <Doow> EriC^^: all the files from the iso?
[21:38] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:38] <Doow> Great, I'll try that
[21:39] <tgm4883> How do you allow  a user to stop a service with policykit? (Alternatively, how can you set a bash script to stop a service without using sudo/gksudo)
[21:55] <brainwash> tgm4883: a sudo policy could handle that I guess (-> sudoers)
[22:03] <fx250> I just followed the simple installation instructions at https://howto-ubuntunew.blogspot.com/2017/12/how-to-install-qt-5100-released-on.html to install Qt 5.10.1 on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and tried running a plain application compiled from the Qt Quick Application - Scroll template in qtcreator, but Ubuntu doesn't like to run it still, showing errors: version 'Qt_5' not found in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5*.so.5 files.
[22:03] <fx250> The installation of Qt 5.10.1 seems to be contained entirely in /opt/Qt5.10.1/
[22:04] <nacc> fx250: presumably you need to adjust the loder paths
[22:04] <nacc> fx250: you probably want a qt specific channel
[22:04] <fx250> What are loder paths?
[22:04] <fx250> alright
[22:05] <nacc> fx250: *loader* sorry, where the loader looks for libraries
[22:10] <OerHeks> Qt Core
[22:10] <OerHeks> Added rudimentary implementation of QStringView. It is missing some (important) const-QString functions, but is fully functional as an interface type. To be completed for Qt 5.11.
[22:11] <cvirus> exit
[22:11] <cvirus> oops sorry
[22:12] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/881966/how-to-choose-between-different-versions-of-qt-5
[22:12] <OerHeks> bing is nice
[22:25] <HairToday> I just tried using komorebi (something for animated desktops) and now my desktop is solid black.  Heres a clue, my compiz won't do transparent cube as I rotate now
[22:27] <OerHeks> and what ubuntu version and session?
[22:28] <OerHeks> wayland does not do all the fancy stuff yet..
[22:28] <flashmozzg> Hello, is there a way to get gcc-7.3 on Ubuntu 16.04?
[22:29] <nacc> flashmozzg: i'd search in PPAs, but why would you want to do that?
[22:29] <linuxr_> Hi all. I'm running ubuntu 16.04 and when executing "dist-upgrade", I get this error: dpkg: error processing package linux-image-extra-4.4.0-101-generic (--configure):
[22:29] <linuxr_>  package linux-image-extra-4.4.0-101-generic is not ready for configuration
[22:29] <linuxr_> Now I'm worried that my system might not boot anymore...what can I do?
[22:30] <flashmozzg> looks like Toolchain test PPA is not going to update any time soon (or ever)
[22:30] <nacc> linuxr_: well, first of all, that kernel is ... old? you should be at 4.4.0-116 by now
[22:31] <dixsonhoepp> there is a program to limit the broadband in my WiFi network to other computers
[22:31] <flashmozzg> And if I add ppa:jonathonf/gcc-7.3 and try to update gcc-7 it says that no updates are available (I did apt-get update)
[22:31] <linuxr_> nacc...currently running is: 4.4.0-112-generic
[22:32] <linuxr_> I have no idea what this error is and how to get rid of it :(
[22:32] <OerHeks> update should give https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/gcc-7.3?field.series_filter=trusty
[22:33] <OerHeks> or dist-upgrade ..
[22:33] <OerHeks> you would have seen held-back packages
[22:35] <nacc> OerHeks: linuxr_: afaict, source only uploads, not built uccessfully?
[22:36] <nacc> for xenial, at least
[22:37] <nacc> linuxr_: you can remove that package, then, probably
[22:37] <linuxr_> nacc, I purged the problematic (old) package, now no error appears
[22:37] <linuxr_> I still see stuff from that package hanging around, though
[22:37] <nacc> linuxr_: from that package or related packages?
[22:38] <vlt> dixsonhoepp: What is its name?
[22:38] <linuxr_> nacc, I purged "linux-image-extra-4.4.0-101-generic", and in /boot I still have "initrd.img-4.4.0-101-generic"
[22:39] <dixsonhoepp> vlt: my name?
[22:40] <nacc> linuxr_: yes, you purged the extra package, not the kernel pacakge
[22:43] <linuxr_> damn you're right, nacc
[22:44] <linuxr_> okay, think I'm going to try a reboot now
[22:46] <gvvg__> Hi -I'm running a very long process on the console - is there anyway to attache to the console from an ssh session to monitor what is going on and then detach and leave it running?
[22:46] <kenrin> screen or tmux
[22:47] <gvvg__> oh ok - I'll check those out - thanks
[22:47] <kenrin> any terminal multiplexer should work but those are two popular ones
[22:47] <linuxr_> nacc, everything fine...now on 4.4.0-116....thank you very much for the help!
[22:49] <gordonjcp> gvvg__: yeah, either of those
[22:49] <gordonjcp> gvvg__: I used to use screen but now I use tmux, for no particular reason
[22:49] <gvvg__> I'm trying to figure out the syntax to use screen
[22:49] <gvvg__> to connect to the console
[22:50] <usuario37> ver
[22:50] <gordonjcp> gvvg__: you'd just type "screen" and then run your commands in that
[22:50] <sabrehagen> On a wifi network I access, I cannot resolve DNS for websites. If I join another wifi network I have no problem. Other machines on this network can resolve DNS fine. How should I begin to debug this?
[22:50] <gvvg__> from what I read I would have to run screen first
[22:50] <gordonjcp> gvvg__: exactly
[22:50] <usuario37> olver llanganate
[22:50] <gvvg__> there is already a very long process running on the console - is there anyway to attach to it or it is too late
[22:50] <gordonjcp> gvvg__: and then to reconnect you'd ssh into that machine and say "screen -r"
[22:50] <gordonjcp> gvvg__: not without considerable risk of killing the process
[22:51] <gvvg__> oh ok - good to know for next time
[22:51] <gordonjcp> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/move-running-process-screen-bruce-werdschinski/
[22:51] <gordonjcp> ^ this is Deep Magic
[22:52] <flashmozzg> 0erHeks: when I do apt-get update it correctly fetches from Hit:4 http://ppa.launchpad.net/jonathonf/gcc-7.3/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[22:52] <kenrin> sabrehagen: Does the wifi give you dhcp?  If so,  does it give you nameservers,  if so,  can you ping or dig or nslookup those nameservers it gives?
[22:53] <sabrehagen> ken
[22:53] <sabrehagen> kenrin: will try and report back
[22:53] <flashmozzg> but "apt-get install gcc-7" give me "gcc-7 is already the newest version (7.2.0-1ubuntu1~16.04)"
[22:53] <gonzo1983> hello!
[22:55] <nacc> flashmozzg: then you have it installed?
[22:56] <ioc_> gvvg__, /proc/<pid>/fd/1 is the standard output of the process,  /proc/<pid>/fd/2 is standard error stream, 0 is standard input
[22:57] <gvvg__> oh I'll take a look
[22:58] <flashmozzg> nacc: But I don't. The message says I have 7.2.0
[22:59] <flashmozzg> nacc: I need 7.3, because it fixed a critical bug for me.
[23:00] <V7> Hey all
[23:01] <gvvg__> ioc_: so I would tail /proc/<pid>/fd/1 ? to see what is happening on the console? standard output?
[23:01] <nacc> flashmozzg: there's only one successful build in that ppa for trusty
[23:01] <nacc> flashmozzg: i don't believe you :)
[23:02] <V7> What's ubuntu's offtop channel ?
[23:02] <OerHeks> build it yourself perhaps? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-7/7.3.0-1ubuntu1
[23:02] <nacc> V7: #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:02] <V7> Thank you
[23:02] <nacc> flashmozzg: oh you mean you are already using a PPA for gcc-7 and need a newer version?
[23:02] <nacc> flashmozzg: given that *neither* is supported here ... you're on your own
[23:02] <ioc_> gvvg__, unfortunately it won't necessarily capture all output, but it's worth a try
[23:02] <OerHeks> you might need HWE for that tooo, dunno
[23:03] <kenrin> flashmozzg: You did see the failed to build messages on that PPA right ?
[23:03] <gvvg__> didn't work :( oh well thanks
[23:03] <nacc> kenrin: i mentioned that earlier as well :)
[23:03] <Jordan_U> ioc_: What is your end goal?
[23:03] <kenrin> ah ok
[23:03] <kenrin> I'm not paying much attention
[23:03] <nacc> kenrin: me neither, tbh :)
[23:04] <flashmozzg> nacc: Yeah, just saw that there wer no successful builds for Xenial in that ppa. Gonna ping/bug the maintainer.
[23:04] <flashmozzg> Anyway, is there a chance/way to bring gcc-7.3 to official ubuntu test PPA?
[23:05] <kenrin> For now you could grab the debian package and install it flash
[23:05] <nacc> flashmozzg: you should ask the ppa owner
[23:05] <Jordan_U> flashmozzg: Which bug is affecting you specifically?
[23:05] <flashmozzg> it looks like it's been updated to gcc-7.2 rather quickly (in 2-3 weeks), but I see no changes towards 7.3
[23:06] <OerHeks> bionic will
[23:06] <nacc> OerHeks: bionic already is :)
[23:07] <nacc> flashmozzg: to be clear, that ppa is not a real way to get newer toolchains on your system
[23:07] <nacc> flashmozzg: i doubt doko will give you any support, but you coudl try
[23:07] <nacc> flashmozzg: it's for ubuntu toolchain testing
[23:07] <OerHeks> kinky advise, to switch to development version
[23:07] <OerHeks> but i agree
[23:22] <sere> how can i tell an application to run on a certain workstation from the command line
[23:24] <kenrin> Going to need more context than that
[23:25] <nacc> sere: doyou mean 'workspace'?
[23:31] <bazhang> !info gdevilspie | sere
[23:31] <bazhang> sere try that
[23:33] <raidghost> brainwash: Update news: I activated vt-d in bios. and set intel_iommu=on in grub. And when it trying to startup it messes with my pci-E
[23:35] <raidghost> so my mdraid is not up running since the pci-e mini-sas controller is messed up
[23:51] <Croxair> hola que tal
[23:51] <Croxair> soy nuevo en linux
[23:52] <Croxair> xD