[04:46] <ubptgbot> <Logan J> Has anyone not been able to do group mms, then found a workaround ?  I'm on tmobile in the US on a nexus 5.
 @Michele, Yes, international version.
 @Logan J, MMS never worked for me. even on Android
 there is no workaround IIRC. just don't use MMS, it's 2018
 @muyiscoi, OP3 is supported by halium BTW and you can run unstable 16.04 builds on it
 there's no installer for it rn, so you will need to compile it. but it will be one of officially supported devices soon
 stay tuned
 That's some good news there. Keep those devices coming :)
[07:31] <ubptgbot> kreak was added by: kreak
[07:43] <ubptgbot> <Иван Иванов> (Photo, 677x484) https://irc.ubports.com/CoUYUaeB.png
[08:00] <ubptgbot> CapraNorvegese was added by: CapraNorvegese
 Hi, I have a Nexus 5x. Ubports will support it in the future?
 @CapraNorvegese, @UniversalSuperBox is working on it
 Thank you😍 … If he needs a beta tester I'm here, I have experience in flashing custom ROMs and modding in general :)
 UBports is not a ROM
 and thus there is no flashing involved at all
[08:26] <bshah> well.... flashing is involved in theory..
[08:26] <bshah> :P
 in theory :P
 @vanyasem, Mmm, I was left with the old procedure for Ubuntu touch
[08:37] <ubptgbot> adesyudhatama was added by: adesyudhatama
 Hi @adesyudhatama here is an importat Welcome starter link for you: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @CapraNorvegese, You have UBports documentation to update your knowledge. It has been translated to Italian too https://docs.ubports.com/it/latest/
 (Sticker, 512x470) https://irc.ubports.com/PnIeTgiY.webp
 Can you flash from the terminal ubuntu billet with halium to test it?
 @CapraNorvegese, I am sure there will be some testing needed and your help with it will be appreciated
 Can you flash from the ubuntu touch terminal with halium to test it?
[08:56] <ubptgbot> waGNUx was added by: waGNUx
 @Ricardo, Not really very clear what you mean. 16.04 builds are installed through computer terminal. There is no 'in phone' install
 @waGNUx, Hi Wagner. Check this out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Flashing it from the computer terminal the same as 15.04 with ubuntu-device-flash ..........
 Do I need to root nexus before installing UT
 @Aravind, no
 read the installation docs and do as describing
 [Edit] read the installation docs and do as described
 @Aravind, If you need help, the Welcome & Install room is good for that
 @Keziiii, I just noticed this on backtrace, but couldn't find any follow up. … I don't see Mir calling vsnprintf() twice on the same va_list (which is the issue in the SO discussion). Am I missing something?
 @mariogrip ^ is that the same segault you pinged me about yesterday?
 Guys goodmorning.
 Hi
 Morning
 what kind of difference between develop, release candidate and stable channels? … I mean; i'm using Ubuntu Touch v. 60 from develop, and today i've changed from develop to Release Candidate:  … After that, my Aquaris e5 HD ubuntu Edition download the Ubuntu Touch V15; can i install this upgrade without problems?
 (msorry for my english)
 [Edit] what kind of difference between develop, release candidate and stable channels? … I mean; i'm using Ubuntu Touch v. 60 from develop, and today i've changed from develop to Release Candidate:  … After that, my Aquaris e5 HD ubuntu Edition starts downloads the Ubuntu Touch V15; can i install this upgrade without problems?
 updating is fine.  … i think for 15.04 when you are fulliy updated there is currently not much difference between the channels as most developmentis happening on 16.04 now
 [Edit] updating is fine.  … i think for 15.04 when you are fulliy updated there is currently not much difference between the channels as most development is happening on 16.04 now
 15.04/stable This is the channel you should be on if you're unsure of which to pick. It's the slowest-moving and most vetted release channel.
 15.04/rc This channel is a good mix between stability and bleeding edge. We will promote builds to rc from devel when they are possible candidates for stable. This channel should not break, but we can't promise as stable as stable.
 15.04/devel This channel will break. If you're working on QA, this is the place to be. If you're trying to use your Ubuntu Touch device in your life, this is not the place to be. Nightly builds from our CI server get pushed straight into 15.04/devel. When they are deemed as candidates for Stable (which only happens after we enter
[10:12] <ubptgbot> a feature freeze), they are moved to 15.04/rc … Again, we do not recommend 15.04/devel for everyday use.
 thank you so much guys 😆
 As Hugo said, all the dev effort is in 16.04 now
 ok , i'll see how it goes
 Hi
 Hello Aravind
 Hi lionelb h r u
 I am fine thanks. You wanted to install UT?
 May I ask what is your first language?
 Yup
 Tamil
 We don't have a language group for that but we do have an 'Indian languages' group. Useful because of local conditions such as phone availability and service providers etc
 Great
 Can u send me the link
[11:20] <ubptgbot> gexganteng was added by: gexganteng
 @Aravind, https://t.me/UBports_India
 @gexganteng, Hi Gex, here is an importat Welcome starter link for You: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 sup @gexganteng
 @popescu_sorin, I know u
 @Aravind, For installs, click on the welcome link and there you will find a link for installs
 U r from that YouTube channel
 @Aravind, Famous 🤡👽😸
 @Aravind, yeah i have that silly channel :D
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/4mALIvMi.webp
[11:24] <ubptgbot> Rachman was added by: Rachman
 Keep doing videos
 here you go a new one
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IcHPhBOydk
 @Rachman, https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome a link fir you too. Lots of joiners this morning
 unity8 on ubuntu 18.04
 @Rachman, [Edit] https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome a link for you too. Lots of joiners this morning
 doesn't do much right now but it's ok to install and submit issues :D
 how to install on 18.04 or 16.04 https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 @popescu_sorin, Doin great...*lol
 Which is best sailfish or UT
 Aravind, if you make a Telegram username it us easy to add you into useful rooms
 I don't know if Sailfish is still developed?
 November 2017, so it seems yes
 L
 Aravind, I tried to invite you to the install room but you left already, so that did not work
 Seems you were in the welcome room some time ago …
 @Strangerer, Both has their advantages. Couple weeks back my wife bought Sony Xperia X and I installed SailfishX on it. It is very good phone, it has some issues but she is quite happy with it.
 Is ubports community or company
 Community
 But becoming a Foundation
 Not-for-profit
 Canonical?
 I tried to find second hand UT phone to her but didn't find it so I mentioned about that phone and she bought it in couple of days.. 😄. Installing SailfishX is much more complex job than UBports..
 No connection with Canonical but friendly relations
 How did they give UT source code to ubports
 It was open source …
 They allowed the names though
 Why did canonical dropped UT even though convergence is innovative idea
 Maybe someone is writing the book about that. It would be a very long book. Too much to discuss here
 @Strangerer, They want to make an IPO for shares and so they had to get rid of unprofitable things. A lot of money has been invested, but no business case could be set up. At some day, every company needs to earn money
 @Strangerer, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/why-did-ubuntu-drop-unity-mark-shuttleworth-explains pretty much covers it
 @Strangerer, Micosoft also drop its windows mobile with continuum feature (similar with convergence) because not good for profit mining
 It is however a perfect match for Community
 @Stereofont, Agree
 The technical stuff is important but that should never be forgotten. This is a creature that stands on two legs
 @alan_griffiths, Not quite, mine was about getting "localtime()" in https://github.com/MirServer/mir/blob/55fed7fe11f6b3ccd2c72cb8d82b89b0f550fc51/src/common/logging/dumb_console_logger.cpp#L46
 @mariogrip, That one is wierd, since eveything else work, any of the mir demos or unity8, but not unity-system-compositor, i even tried taking the code from mir_demo_server_minimal and build it in that project, but that gives the same "segfault" error. This one is really wierd
 @vanyasem, Please don't tell this to people. It is rude and doesn't help the situation. Functioning MMS is needed for more things than just group messaging. If it's not working somewhere, it's a bug. If Russian providers don't do MMS, that is irrelevant to whether it should work in other countries that do support it.
[13:00] <ubptgbot> * PhoenixLandPirate is staying tuned
 @dohbee, Russian providers do MMS. I can say whatever I want as long as complies with the CoC
 and I will use my right to.
 It is a pretty terrible standard... but it should still be fixed if it's broken
 Totally
 I on the rare occassion do send texts long enough that they become MMS
 Sending contacts or images to people is also often done over MMS.
 Signal is a useful replacement for conventional messaging, over data or Wifi
 MMS attachments just doubled my phone bill
 I'd say, just make MMS work and give ppl choice not to use it, would that not make everyone feel good
 anyone fiddled with nextcloud recently?
 Fwd from peternerlich: This is driving me crazy, I cannot find an example of https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/12/developer_manual/client_apis/LoginFlow/index.html
 [Edit] anyone here fiddled with nextcloud recently?
 Did you try the cloud group?  Or is that not the right place for this?   … https://t.me/UBports_Cloudsters
 sigh
 @peternerlich, My guess is you'd find your answer here: https://github.com/nextcloud/android/tree/master/src/main/java/com/owncloud/android/authentication
 @wayneoutthere, ah, right, there was a group for this...
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks a lot! I will take a thorough look...
 @dohbee, wigh sigh gigh?
 I've seen lots of cool chats in there and solutions happen which would spam this group off topic ;)
 disrespectful nature of some
 @dohbee, I am sorry, I didn't mean to be disrespectful. I just got no response from other channels I tried to communicate over, so I eventually went here in hope there would be some individual to speak up. Totally forgot about the existance of a cloud group though.
 @peternerlich, I didn't mean you
 @Stereofont, Any idea why Signal isn't opening right now? I prefer to use it but as soon as I open the app on UT, it seems to crash.
 @AmolithSeregion, Note that it will wipe any pre-existing Android account. As to crashing, I don't have any idea
 I just tried Signal on my FP2. It crashed the OS
 Briefly to registration screen then bounces
 @Stereofont, ?
 It says that on the Signal app notes
 well if you log in with the same phone number you'll get a new private key
 same when you log in with same phone number on different android device, i guess?
 @Stereofont, That's the same thing that happens with me
 @samitormanen, Will Canonical donation change anything about the fact that those models (Meizu MX4 and BQ E5) will continue to be legacy models thanks to MediaTek?  I guess nothing changes, am i right?  thanks
 It doesn't change anything fundamental, no. It may provide opportunities to assist development and maybe in areas of the world where there are enthusiasts but difficult circumstances
 There are more still to come so I imagine that decisions will be made once they all arrive
 Is ther any reason to install Antivirus? It's in the OpenStore
 no
 @dohbee, I didn't think there would be. Why?
 For one, I don't recommend installing AV on any system. They can't really be trusted, and they're a great way to exfiltrate your data.
 If it's fully open source and properly confined, it can maybe be trusted, but then it's only useful for finding viruses in itself, which is a waste.
 @JavierPuche, I don't think the MTK is the exact reason why they are legacy devices, but simply that they are so old and low powered. The Nexus 4 is also a legacy device, and the BQ M10 tablet isn't.
 @dohbee, Thanks, I thought they are legacy because source code for some kernel parts is not available and so they cannot be migrated to 16.04. Meizu MX4 is not so low-powered, I think, anyhow I might be getting outdated with the fast-paced release of more powerful devices 😢  😉😄
 @JavierPuche, Legacy devices doesn't mean there is no 16.04 for them. There is 16.04 for most all those devices already.
[15:38] <ubptgbot> lluiscarrot was added by: lluiscarrot
 is there 16.04 for Meizu MX4?  I will check then, thanks,  last time I took a look (some months ago)  I seem to remember that no 16.04 was planned for any legacy devices.  Ups, here https://devices.ubports.com/#/arale  links for 16.04 and 15.04 are broken ...
 Hi @lluiscarrot here is an importat Welcome starter link for You: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @advocatux, *important
 [Edit] Hi @lluiscarrot here is an important Welcome starter link for You: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Or imported 😜  … Thank you for the correction, I need more coffee
 @JavierPuche, Yes http://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/16.04/devel/
 Great 👏👏  , thanks, I will give it a try 👍
 @dohbee, Is there a way to upgrade to 16.04 now?
 I don't know what the links are supposed to be exactly, but it looks like they should be milestone links or something on github.
 @AmolithSeregion, Yes, but it is very unstable
 i think you can select the channel in updates settings
 @dohbee, How unstable? I like to use more cutting-edge software but I also need it to be somewhat reliable lol
 not something i would recommend right now if you need a reliable daily use phone
 but if it's just a spare testing device, have at it
 Ok, in fact 16.04 is not really important for me now, it is just to know that device will keep to be maintained in the near future 👍  I see I thought wrongly that a problem with MediaTek  NDA was limiting this device future ...
 you can switch back to 15.04 too, though
 @dohbee, I'll just stick with 15.04 until 16.04gets a bit more stable. Thank you!
 @advocatux, did someone say.... coffee???
 @Mohannes
 @wayneoutthere, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgaxjcFH1EE
 @dohbee, that's a whole new level of coffee that I had not considered.
 you gotta get on yolandi's level
[16:31] <ubptgbot> Buzea Bogdan was added by: Buzea Bogdan
[16:32] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> Hi, I am traing to install Ubuntu Touch on my BQ 4.5 which was first with Ubuntu Touch and now with Android
[16:32] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> But I have problem. I will upload now a print screen from the terminal
 You will have to use the bq sp flash tool to first convert it back to ubuntu, to get the partitioning fixed
[16:35] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> Flashing legacy channel … Creating filesystem with parameters: …     Size: 734003200 …     Block size: 4096 …     Blocks per group: 32768 …     Inodes per group: 7472 …     Inode size: 256 …     Journal blocks: 2800 …     Label:  …     Blocks: 179200 …     Block groups: 6 …     Reserved block group size: 47 … Created filesystem
[16:35] <ubptgbot>  with 11/44832 inodes and 5813/179200 blocks … target reported max download size of 134217728 bytes … erasing 'cache'... … FAILED (remote: unknown command) … finished. total time: 0.002s … Creating filesystem with parameters: …     Size: 838860800 …     Block size: 4096 …     Blocks per group: 32768 …     Inodes per group: 7328 …     Inode size: 25
[16:35] <ubptgbot> 6 …     Journal blocks: 3200 …     Label:  …     Blocks: 204800 …     Block groups: 7 …     Reserved block group size: 55 … Created filesystem with 11/51296 inodes and 6651/204800 blocks … target reported max download size of 134217728 bytes … erasing 'userdata'... … FAILED (remote: unknown command) … finished. total time: 0.002s … rebooting into b
[16:35] <ubptgbot> ootloader... … OKAY [  0.002s] … finished. total time: 0.052s … 2018/02/22 18:35:03 Device is |krillin| … 2018/02/22 18:35:03 Flashing version 10 from ubports-touch/legacy channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device krillin … 288.81 KB / 321.93 MB [____________________________________________________________________________________
[16:35] <ubptgbot> _______________] 0.09 % 1.40 MB/s 3m48scan't flash recovery image … Move to your device to finish the setup. … Cleaning up.. … Exiting magic-device-tool. Bye Bye
[16:36] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> This message its an error OR it is working?
 Please use pastebin for long pastes like that
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> ok
[16:38] <ubptgbot> <Buzea Bogdan> what I have to do now?
 i don't know anything about magic-device-tool, or if it's still supported
 you may wish to join the welcome channel https://t.me/WelcomePlus to get better assistance with installation
 @dohbee, But that itself is not all that reliable
 @Stereofont, sounds like bugs in the UI that need fixing then
 SPflashtool is useful but can cause irreparable damage. Take advice before using
 @dohbee, Yes, seems like it. Some people have had trouble. With daily driver definitely don't touch 16.04 yet
 @JavierPuche, There *is* a problem with closed android device and vendor trees, yes. Officially we cannot obtain this without signing an NDA with Mediatek, plus this will cost a lot of money. This is one reason why BQ has changed towards Qualcomm for example. So why 16.04 still works? Because we excluded systemd and still use
[18:19] <ubptgbot> upstart. Then it will work. But, we still cannot modify what we have, and this is a serious roadblock
 @Flohack, Then why would Nexus 4 be a "legacy" device, if the only reason is legal (which I still don't understand)?
 @dohbee, The definitions is currently blurry. Lets assume it means "Device that might have some issues in the future when new shiny things would come in"
[18:30] <ubptgbot> sebastian was added by: sebastian
 Hola quería saber si se puede instalar Ubuntu en un móvil zte L3
 @sebastian, En ingles o https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
[19:44] <ZeroPointEnergy> is there a log to debug app crashes? It seams most apps are just crashing currently
 @ZeroPointEnergy, app logs are in ~/.cache/upstart/
 i don't think there's a single log you can look at
 depends on where it's breaking, but it's probably in the app log itself, for each app
[19:46] <ubptgbot> Altprop was added by: Altprop
[19:46] <ZeroPointEnergy> ok, thx
[20:03] <lolek> hi
[20:03] <lolek> I'd like to know if Ubports finally support full device encryption?
 Buzea, sebastian, and @Altprop ! Welcome to the group!  Here is a link to get you started in the community.  Let us know if we can help. :) … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[20:06] <lolek> from what I see, there's this info: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/178
 @lolek, No, there is no FDE support in ubuntu touch yet
[20:07] <lolek> that's really not good
 @Flohack, Thanks for the clarification. I guess the best gift would be MediaTek giving away an NDA for those chips 😄😄
 @JavierPuche, Best gift would Mediatek publishing all source code :)
[20:08] <lolek> currently on the market left only two platforms iOS (very closed, limited without linux support at all) and Android (very open but also have a lot security problems)
 @dohbee are you able to help me figure out how to set sudo/uuid rules in Libertine this evening?
 @dohbee, 👍👏👏
 @TartanSpartan, just reinstall sudo maybe? the binary is setuid in my libertine chroot. i definitely did not explicitly set it to be
 so why yours is broken, i would have no idea
 Ok, I will uninstall and reinstall it and report back.
 @lolek, FDE when we can't even lock/unlock teh bootloader is not going to be great anyway
 Nope, still "sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set".
[20:12] <lolek> well tbh we need something to protect our data when the phone has been stolen
 Is this the case for other Libertine users, e.g. @padraic7a ?
[20:12] <lolek> it's obvious that if we get back the phone then we should reflash is as it has been compromised even if our data wasn't removed
 I will furthermore add that this is the case on cooler and turbo for me.
 @TartanSpartan, did you do something like symlink ~/.cache/libertine/ to an external SD card that is mounted with nosuid or something?
 @lolek, nobody disagrees with that. but it's not a trivial thing
 Not that I know of, I can mount my SD cards in Libertine with a command, but that's just for external storage, not to my knowledge having anything to do with the Libertine cache.
[20:16] <lolek> I can understand yet,  in 2018 year a phone without encryption when "the competition" has it would not attrack a lot of users and also will not get good media :(
[20:17] <lolek> tbh this is why I still don't have it and I can imagine there are many like me
 @TartanSpartan, `~/.libertine/cache/` is where the container is stored. the only reason i can see the setuid bit not being valid, would be if the container exists on a partition which is mounted with `nosuid` option for some reason
 How can we test this?
 @TartanSpartan, `mount | grep nosuid` ?
[20:19] <ZeroPointEnergy> I'm still very new to this android stuff, but since we have halium-boot now which is based on the backend stuff for mounting an encrypted system should be possible to implement, since it is basically debian initramfs. But I'm not sure if it is even possible to display a prompt and onscreen keyboard if the android container is not already started. I guess there is not just a standard framebuffer device available to access the graphics ha
[20:19] <ZeroPointEnergy> rdware ?
 @lolek, then don't use it until FDE support exists. or do the work to help get it working. making such statements isn't helpful
[20:20] <lolek> oh, sorry I didn't want to say anything that would make such reaction
[20:20] <lolek> please don't take me wrong with this :)
 @ZeroPointEnergy, Yep, the libraries for encryption are in there. It's possible, but no one has done it yet.
 @ZeroPointEnergy, right, an OSK without a booted OS is kind of difficult to have
 We'd also need the display stuff, probably with a port of MinUI or similar.
 really, we would need to implement something the way Android implements it
 Android has the benefit of the System / Data separation
 which is storing the key in hardware and doing funky stuff so it can boot up to the lock screen
 It can boot to a certain point without ever touching any user data since the `/system` partition is read-only and verified by verity in the bootloader
 and really, if we can't lock the bootloader and get rid of adb in the recovery it's not going to matter too terribly much, because at that point one can image the disk very easily and then throw it a cracking script doing hard math to guess the key
 Since we don't verify the rootfs image (and doing so would make people very upset), there's not much hope for being able to do that
 exactly
 Could do it in initrd... but maybe not with the A/B partition layout
 In Android 8
 one could perhaps do the requisite bits to get encrypted home dir working though, but then this would of course break several other things
[20:24] <ZeroPointEnergy> once I get my device running I plan to invest some time tinkering with the whole boot stuff since I think there is a lot of interesting stuff we can do there
 since you couldn't use libertine on top of encrypted home
 Nothing AFAICS relating to Libertine here but knock yourself out:
 https://pastebin.com/dNPtbs95
 @ZeroPointEnergy, halium/initramfs-tools-halium
[20:26] <ZeroPointEnergy> @UniversalSuperBox yes, I already checked that out and played with it when I debugged the early boot phase :-)
 cool
 @TartanSpartan, yeah, i don't know. how exactly did you reinstall sudo?
[20:29] <ZeroPointEnergy> https://github.com/postmarketOS/osk-sdl
 Well. On my M10 it wasn't installed. So I installed it fresh. I can try to reinstall it on either device, but unclear as to how that would fix it. I will try regardless.
[20:29] <ZeroPointEnergy> looks like they already solved this. Maybe we can steal it :-D
 @TartanSpartan, ok how did you install it on the m10 then?
 Via the phablet's CLI.
 @TartanSpartan, what command exactly? using `libertine-container-manager`?
 Yes. Bear in mind, no password was set up for the container.
 libertine-container-manager exec --command "apt-get install sudo" --id vivid
 I'm trying to uninstall it now, but it doesn't want me to as there's no root password for the container.
 huh
 `libertine-container-manager exec --command "apt-get autoremove --purge sudo" --id vivid` should work without any root password though i would think
 On it.
 Nope. Kinda perplexing, given we expect that the phablet's CLI holds executive control over all things Libertine. Bug?
 weird, since apt-get install worked
 What if I, belatedly, try to set a root password for the container?
 Or:
 "If you have arranged other means to access the root account, … and you are sure this is what you want,                                          … you may bypass this check by setting an environment variable                     … (export SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=yes)."
 @TartanSpartan, i don't think that you should do that
 what if you do `libertine-container-manager exec -c bash` to get a shell? are you not root? also, what is the output of `ls -l /usr/bin/sudo` in the container?
 Hold up. Root in the container? Or in the phablet CLI?
 Is there a way to equalise UT?
 @TartanSpartan, when you ask this, it only confuses me, because i have no idea what you're actually doing or where? libertine-container-manager obviously runs things inside the container
 @AmolithSeregion, you mean audio equalizer?
 @dohbee, Yes
 @AmolithSeregion, i don't think there is any way currently
 @dohbee, I just bought a new pair of earbuds and the high is so high. I'm listening to Destination Linux and their Ss hurt my ears lol. Alright. Do you know if there are any plans?
 I've performed all of these actions using the phablet CLI, calling the libertine-container-manager. But IDK if you mean am I root in the phablet CLI, or within the libertine-container-manager level.
 i don't know
 i mean if you execute bash inside the container, does it give you a root shell
 Back soon, to be continued.
 Hello Guys, I've just installed UT and I wanted to ask what could I use the terminal for. Thank you :)
 if you have no need for it, probably nothing
 otherwise it's a terminal app, so you can use it for most anything you would do in a terminal app
 @dohbee, I think I'll never use it, but I'm curious
[21:07] <ubptgbot> amonchez was added by: amonchez
 Plenty of uses, many of which don't have (yet) an "app" form. I've used it to connect to my MPD server (there used to be an app, now it's gone); to copy and delete stuff all around the phone without using the file manager; to export/import contacts and calendar...
 Like @dohbee says; it depends on how much you rely on a Terminal when/if you're on a Linux computer.
 If you do, then it's second nature to go there to solve your issues with the command line.
 If you don't... then you'll only use it when something is broken and someone says "run this to check that".
 (If you don't understand any of this, I can explain in the Español group; I just wanted to leave it here for anyone else the answer might be good for)
 (Voice, 13s) https://irc.ubports.com/0DvNyxVW.oga
[21:39] <ubptgbot> FedeBaez was added by: FedeBaez
 as @garrogarri suggested, we can make a ubports bot with the links to the ubports telegram group (and maybe more). … I can make a first draft for it and then lets see how it goes...
 Hi @FedeBaez Welcome! You can get up to speed with this link https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Michele, we usually don't use bots here
 unless I'm missing the purpose behind it.  we tried before but they are annoying and not very human.
 I think it could be useful to have a place with all the links, where one can look throught them and join the groups
 @dohbee, They can not because immediately it would become clear that they have stolen code from other vendors - thats one of the reasons for this strict regime. At least what rumors say 😆
 90% of mobile world is how to save your ass from patent lawsuits#
[22:00] <ubptgbot> madruga92 was added by: madruga92
 Because some crazy officials allowed patents on things that are hilarious like rounded edges
 hi Friends !
 @Flohack, that's not just mobile
 ( I'm Braziliam, my english is the worst, so if i say something wrong please correct me )
 Hi @madruga92 Welcome, check this https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 and there are language groups. V.g. https://t.me/UBPortsPT
 I have an ASUS Zenfone 2 Laser, have anyway to install Ubuntu touch in my phone ?
 @advocatux, nice ! thanks !
 i will join
 Where would be the best place to ask for built-in equaliser or an equaliser app? What would be AMAZING is an equaliser under the media controls.
 @AmolithSeregion, report an issue on GitHub https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/new
 @Michele, Will do!
 @madruga92, currently not, sadly...
 @Michele, sad news
 the community or developers are creating the OS for that phones or not ?
 afaik no one, but you can port yourself ubuntu touch for your phone. I suggest to join @halium for further informations
 @AmolithSeregion, So, the pulseaudio equalizer module is installed already, but there is no UI to control it, and it's not loaded by default
 @dohbee, What do you mean loaded?
 @AmolithSeregion, I mean the plug-in is installed and on disk, but pulseaudio isn't using it
 i'm not sure if it will play well with things on the phone either, but it should be usable to some extent
 @Michele, thanks !
 @dohbee, How would I get `pulseaudio` to use the plugin?
 Ok Rodney I'm back, what should I try now?
 @AmolithSeregion, A terminal script, I am guessing
 @AmolithSeregion, i'm not entirely sure
 @TartanSpartan, `libertine-container-manager exec -c bash`
 @dohbee, Do you have any idea if it distro-agnostic or if the process would be specific for Ubuntu Touch?
 @AmolithSeregion, there are surely some bits that would be specific to ubuntu touch, as we use a special module to send audio through the android hal to talk to the hardware, and it's not just an alsa device like on normal PCs
 @dohbee, I'll just open an issue; I don't have the first idea how to go about that lol. Thank you guys!
 @wayneoutthere, I was not thinking of a welcome bot, but more of a bot for someone who is already in the community but wants to join also another group, like the Unity8 dev or a locale group
 @AmolithSeregion, hmm... you sound like a prospect for.....
 It would be simply a "links repository"
 @garrogarri, It would be simply a "links repository"
 @AmolithSeregion, for the audio group!  ;) … https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lg6rpSWKVmXRSzKc4w
 "SIGH" - Rodney
 @wayneoutthere, Holy crap
 what is that weird hash
 that's how we name things now?
 Groups have a short name and a hash name. Generally we use the shortened, for obvious reasons
 Time to dredge up my idea of 'education evenings' methinks
 'Kernel backporting for beginners'
 @dohbee https://pastebin.com/RmM21EbB
 @Stereofont, whaaaat?
 Dear list, I am unable to send and receive mms. Is there any idea, how to fix it?
 @TartanSpartan, `ls -l /usr/bin/sudo` inside that shell
 On which device
 b e5
 Bq
 what carrier?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I'm having the same issue on the Nexus 5
 [Edit] bq e5
 not manufacturer. which telco
 @UniversalSuperBox, That was tongue in cheek. But 'What is a kernel?' 'How does a window manager work? ' Educationals
 @dohbee, Tracphone
 @AmolithSeregion, which network is your APN actually for? since they just contract bandwidth from others
 The community is a great informal learning resource. We could create pockets where that was a little more formal
 i've mostly only seen people complain about MMS on n5 on t-mo us
 It is on Orange
 Ok, so you mean settings should be fixed?
 @Popesz, you can send MMS ok, but receiving is broken?
 @dohbee, I have absolutely no idea. How would I find out? I didn't even know that they contracted their bandwidth
 i mean, is that what is happening for you?
 both
 no sending no receiving
 In that case, I'd double-check your APN settings
 @AmolithSeregion, not sure, i guess if you can view the APN settings and see what host it's using for inet gateway?
 @dohbee, TFDATA?
 is that a question? because i don't know what that is :)
 @dohbee, It was a question because I have no idea what that is either but it's under APN lol … It might be working now though. I didn't know there was a checkbox under Mobile, then APN to enable Internet and MMS but it was unchecked before and I just checked it.
 @UniversalSuperBox, With BQ in the past, I had MMS working in one SIM slot but not the other. Worth checking if switching over solves it
 On my Bq mms is ticked, settings are cirrect for internet too
 Could someone on UT right now send me a screenshot of the Sound part of the quick settings? I'm making a Github issue and editing a couple of things into one image for it but it keeps saying that the screenshot is corrupt.
 @dohbee, No it still doesn't work.
 Neither here
 ok, not sure what could be wrong in that case :-/
 Rodney,
 "rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 103588 Mar 12  2015 /usr/bin/sudo "
 @TartanSpartan, so the setuid bit is set
 So how can I do the other step?
 What step?
 Btw, I think that line may date back to the original user of the M10, not sure if that has bearing though.
 Huh?
 "/usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0"
 But it is
 The line I pasted just a few seconds ago, relating to how setuid is set as you said.
 ^that comment refers to your "huh?", for the avoidance of doubt.
 Yes, that date has nothing to do with previous owners
 Ok, but as I said, probably irrelevant anyway.
 So what's next?
 Well, I don't know what you're doing exactly
 Not much besides what you've suggested. I've never had to do this on any prior Linux installation.
 I mean what lead you to this point
 Shrug... just trying to run bash scripts in a terminal within Libertine?
 In xterm running under libertine?
 I do go back in my thought process to how, you said this isn't an issue in your VM, but it is on these hardware at least for me. Perhaps other users could confirm if it's affecting them.
 Not sure if xterm. Just the default gnome-style terminal you can install for Libertine.
 Well, I don't know what the issue is. The sudo binary has correct perms
 Well, how about a screenshot of the terminal with the failure?
 It's not really anything beyond what I've stated, but sure.
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/UZ0OJvB0.png
 Not sure that that is what you wanted to see, though.
 Stupid question: how do I insert an image inline in Github? Right now, it's just giving a link to imgur
 Making another request to @padraic7a to try this on his device, if possible please.
 Did you expect me to show some other part of what I'm trying to do here @dohbee
 I don't know what to expect
 Pretty much, I've described what I did and given prints for your suggested commands. So as it seems you're out of ideas, either we need another dev, or at least a Libertine user to try this out.
 You can't use USB internet to install the deps on your N5 (with the busted modem), can you?
[23:27] <ubptgbot> nicholascw was added by: nicholascw
 No idea how to get that working, no
 Fair, I guess it's more of an Android thing. Thanks for the help so far though.