[01:11] <donofrio> and now it is working....I just had to remeber to make sure all displayed touched each other and aligned up all for use now its this goodness https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL9MBY5kLzCENfmqng
[01:37] <FurretUber> QEMU virtual machines with network in user mode are using 100% of host CPU when they keep a network connection
[01:39] <daddy0> how can i get winestaging for 18.04 without building it myself?
[01:40] <daddy0> this doesnt work:  apt-add-repository https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/
[01:42] <FurretUber> Ugh, Pidgin crashed when I selected text from this chat
[01:45] <FurretUber> This is bad, it crashed again
[01:49] <daddy0> im using pidgin too but its not crashing fwiw
[01:49] <FurretUber> I am using and had no problems, until I selected some text
[01:50] <FurretUber> Now it crashes if I select text on it
[01:51] <FurretUber> To crash it, I selected some text from the chat, clicked on it and tried to drag, as if trying to copy to gedit
[01:52] <FurretUber> Now apport is uploading a xfce4-taskmanager crash, after that ends I will try to get a backtrace of pidgin
[01:55] <FurretUber> Time to kill pidgin
[01:58] <FurretUber> Horrible, there is no backtrace or apport crash
[02:08] <FurretUber> This is the pidgin bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1750941
[02:46] <daddy0> got winestaging through POL woot
[02:54] <ChmEarl> is there a macro like this for Ubuntu: -DVENDOR_DEBIAN
[02:55] <ChmEarl> or is it the same
[02:55] <ChmEarl> --extra-cflags
[06:59] <ayee> I'm screwing around with ubuntu18 to play with netplan. I added an interface, and when I reboot the network startup process just hangs with a timer that keeps ticking up. but when I do netplay apply before reboot, everything works, I can ssh in, etc
[07:00] <ayee> I'm confused about why it works before reboot, but not after.
[07:01] <ayee> This is the only file in /etc/netplan/: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5cf3bac9168f19f9a0c9b8123aa6929a
[07:21] <Lope> If I run a pre-release of 18.04, will it update to a stable 18.04 when the stable version is released?
[07:21] <Lope> I'm setting up a new laptop
[07:21] <Lope> And considering running 18.04
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> !final | Lope 
[07:22] <ayee> The odd thing is, if I do startup with just the one interface, and then I add the two bottom line to the netplan config, and do netplan apply, I can now ssh to the box through that bottom interface
[07:22] <ayee> but on reboot, it barfs
[07:22] <Lope> Is anything notable broken in 18.04?
[07:22] <ayee> netplan?
[07:23] <Lope> I've never heard of netplan.
[07:23] <Lope> Sounds like a GUI for iptables? :P
[07:23] <ayee> It's the replacement for /etc/network/interfaces or something
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> Lope: we are currently in devel branch, alot 'could' brake in this stage
[07:23] <ayee> It smells very systemd-ish
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> Lope: but that doesnt mean things cantrun stable
[07:24] <Lope> Yeah, I guess they've been killing /etc/network/interfaces slowly for a while.
[07:24] <Lope> Pretty weird how you had to setup static IPs in the DCHP client.
[07:24] <Lope> It's like an oxymoron.
[07:24] <Lope> DHCP
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> ayee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[07:25] <Lope> Will it be possible to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> Lope: yes, in june
[07:25] <ayee> lotuspsychje: I read that doc, not sure if you're pointing to a particular part?
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> Lope: when 18.04.1 is out its reccomended to do the LTS to LTS upgrade
[07:25] <Lope> lotuspsychje: I was under the impression that ubuntu LTS doesn't offer upgrades?
[07:26] <Lope> I thought I had to run debian to be able to do release upgrades
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> ayee: no, just doublecheck if you installed netplan the reccomended way?
[07:26] <Lope> so you're saying I just do the /etc/apt/sources.list update (change xenial to whatever) and bob is my uncle/
[07:27] <ayee> lotuspsychje: I just installed the daily current bionic, so it just came installed out of the box?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> Lope: what?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> !info netplan
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> optional?
[07:27] <ayee> pretty sure I didn't install this, I had no idea what it was 30 minutes go
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ayee: wich ubuntu version?
[07:28] <ayee> This one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20180221/bionic-server-arm64.iso
[07:28] <ayee> er, amd64 rather
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ah im not following server news sorry
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> im on desktop myself
[07:29] <Lope> lotuspsychje: in debian when you upgrade from one release to the next, you change the sources.list file from jesse to stretch for example, and then it upgrades the distro.
[07:29] <ayee> I assume it's the same situation on desktop current
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> Lope: when 18.04.1 comes out, it will notify on 16.04 to do your upgrade
[07:29] <Lope> I've never heard of ubuntu offering seamless upgrades
[07:29] <Lope> I thought with ubuntu you have to nuke and reinstall for every new release?
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> Lope: where did you hear that?
[07:30] <Lope> people on IRC :P
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> Lope: bad info
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> Lope: for a daily we reccomend to install clean
[07:32] <ayee> o it works. hmm. I think I was too impatient. The systemd job for the network was taking 90 seconds, and I only waited 30 seconds before powering off the VM
[07:32] <ayee> no idea why it takes so long. *shrug*
[07:33] <ayee> ok, I did read the docs and make the config properly, I thought I was going crazy
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> !yay | ayee 
[07:34] <Lope> lotuspsychje: "for a daily" ?
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> Lope: as in a daily iso 18.04
[07:36] <Lope> lotuspsychje: do you mean if I install a daily iso, once the release comes, I should reinstall the release version?
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Lope: no, i just explained this with !final remember
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Lope: with daily i mean: to help test/bug out a development version, we reccomend to install the iso clean and not upgraded from another version
[07:39] <Lope> Oh I see
[07:39] <Lope> but once I install a daily of course I'll want to upgrade it and not keep reinstalling every day?
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> Lope: correct
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> thats what we all do here
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> bug/test until final
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> Lope: just updating your system will make it better and better
[07:42] <Lope> ayee: okay. So netplan the main way to configure network interfaces, is broken. Seems like quite a showstopper?
[07:42] <Lope> lotuspsychje: thanks
[07:44] <ayee> Lope: It works. for some reason it takes 3 minutes to startup with systemd.
[07:47] <Lope> ayee: hmm.
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> ayee: perhaps the #ubuntu-server guys might know more of netplan/server
[08:06] <ducasse> Lope: you don't manually edit sources.list to upgrade to a new release, you run the software updater or do-release-upgrade
[09:40] <Lope> ayee: The new netplan syntax looks nice
[09:49] <Lope> looks like Ubuntu 18.04 will be good for a tablet?
[09:50] <gpunk> hi
[09:50] <gpunk> i ahve this [  1349.670] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering , so the desktop is very slow
[09:50] <gpunk> any help ?
[09:51] <gpunk> it was fine before todays update
[10:03] <gpunk> hello : 52.508] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[10:05] <gpunk> my desktop is very slow
[10:05] <gpunk> since this morning update
[10:32] <gpunk>  i fixed the issue by uninstalling libglvnd0
[10:33] <gpunk> but kinfocenter has to go too, (dependency)
[14:04] <donofrio> so it looked like my issue was a gnome/unity/mate issue, when I added xfce4* to my system and changed the DE to xfce4 my controls worked, no more north north magnetic like repelling of the screens, might just be visable after the second display is setup that is why maybe no-one on dualhead land has seen that, I'm a quadhead at home mahcine...again it's working now (fixed it last night) but figured I'd share just the same
[14:08] <alkisg> donofrio: so, if it's an ubuntu mate issue, you'd better ask in #mate-dev or #ubuntu-mate
[14:08] <alkisg> Or report it to launchpad
[14:35] <FurretUber> Hi, a machine I upgraded from Xubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 is failing when I want to log in using lightdm. It does so because the startup script tries to run /sbin/upstart --user
[14:37] <FurretUber> I have noticed my machine I upgraded from Zesty to Bionic that it has many startup scripts at /etc/X11/Xsession.d. That Xenial machine has only 99x11upstart and 99x11-common_start
[14:37] <FurretUber> I can't find which packages add content to /etc/X11/Xsession.d, so I don't know against what should I file a bug
[14:56] <alkisg> dpkg -S /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[14:56] <alkisg> This will tell you which packages put files to that directory
[15:04] <FurretUber> Thank you. Somehow, the startup script 99upstart was not removed when upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04, which is causing the login to fail
[15:04] <FurretUber> Removing this specific script from /etc/X11/Xsession.d solved
[15:04] <FurretUber> And the Xubuntu's default wallpaper is beautiful
[15:23] <alkisg> FurretUber: you can file a bug report for that if you want
[15:35] <FurretUber> Hmm... I can't report it, because there is no package upstart in Bionic
[15:36] <FurretUber> Against which package should I report then?
[15:36] <alkisg> Against upstart in xenial
[15:36] <alkisg> Or against the upgrader, which should have purged and not removed upstart
[15:37] <alkisg> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade 
[15:37] <alkisg> ubuntu-release-upgrader-core: /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade
[15:37] <alkisg> Removing upstart leaves its configuration files. If they cause login issues, either upstart should be fixed so that they don't cause login issues, or do-release-upgrade should purge it instead of removing
[15:38] <alkisg> (remove means leave configuration files in /etc there)
[15:41] <FurretUber> It was already reported, I marked I was affected too.
[15:48] <alkisg> Nice
[19:28] <jlacroix> I'm having a strange issue in 18.04 in a VM. I tried to set up a bridge, and then did sudo netplan apply. However, the VM does get an IP address from my DHCP server but cannot ping or access anything on the LAN
[19:28] <jlacroix> I followed this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/971126/17-10-netplan-config-with-bridge
[19:41] <Odd_Bloke> jlacroix: It might be worth asking in #netplan.
[19:43] <jlacroix> Thanks
[21:18] <Boyette> who can help me to install wine
[21:25] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/MymyFeXW
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: well you're doing it rather wrong
[21:33] <Boyette> ok
[21:33] <Boyette> what should I do ?
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: you are passing two packages to apt
[21:33] <nacc> 'wine-development' and '3.2-1'
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: why are you doing that?
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: if you are on bionic, you will get 3.2-1 already, you don't need to tell it the version
[21:35] <Boyette> ah ur right
[21:35] <Boyette> removing the version works
[21:35] <nacc> Boyette: right, and you see why, yes?
[21:37] <Boyette> yes
[21:37] <nacc> Boyette: ok :)
[21:38] <Boyette> thx mate