[04:20] <xmetal> is anyone else (note: while i am on a nightly release + updates of 18.04 now, the issue happened on a few month install of 17.10 too and only seems to happen in Ubuntu mate) having issues with snaps, say installing or removing where you get auto-logged off?   I did find installing "squashfuse" helped reduce the number of times this behavior happens but it still happens from time to time
[07:26] <ole_Denmark> good morning helpers
[07:26] <kernal> good evening
[07:45] <ole_Denmark> morning kernal
[07:47] <ole_Denmark> Here we have blue sky and - 3 deegres
[07:48] <kernal> time for me to head home.. See Ya!
[09:58] <guest-CkYCxZ> ello
[09:58] <diogenes_> hi
[09:59] <guest-CkYCxZ> wiccoutryareyouasedi
[15:59] <usuarioX> hi all, how/where do I move the application menu for each window out of the main panel and "onto" the window title bar?
[16:00] <usuarioX> (is there a setting in dconf-editor "somewhere" that may do this?)
[16:28] <vkareh> usuarioX: in dconf-editor, go to /org/mate/desktop/interface and there are two options: 'gtk-shell-shows-app-menu' and 'gtk-shell-shows-menubar'. Play with those to see how you like them (you'll probably need to restart an application for it to take effect). Also, you will need to add the Global Application Menu applet on the panel (I think)
[16:29] <vkareh> If you get stuck, I think you can use F10 to get menus to show up again
[17:09] <usuarioX> vkareh, my recently installed (and updated) Ubuntu Mate 16.4 does not have those two entries in /org/mate/desktop/interface - how can I add them?
[17:10] <vkareh> ah - no, there's no support for that in 16.04...
[17:10] <usuarioX> vkareh, ok, any way to add it with some extras?
[17:10] <vkareh> wait, you said that the menus are in the panel, rather than on the application windows?
[17:11] <vkareh> I don't think so... this feature was added in 17.10
[17:11] <usuarioX> vkareh, yes, and I am not sure if the choice of "theme" affects this. Right now I am playing around with "Mutiny" theme and Crux
[17:12] <vkareh> hmmm... Mutiny shouldn't be available in 16.04... this is a new panel layout, and 16.04 is a two-year old release :/
[17:12] <usuarioX> vkareh, are you talking about some other ubuntu distro (17.04) with Mate, or the Distro with the name "Ubuntu Mate"? (which I think has 16.04 as its latest release...)
[17:13] <vkareh> no, the latest release of Ubuntu MATE is 17.10
[17:13] <vkareh> released in october 2017: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-artful-final-release/
[17:14] <usuarioX> vkareh, my main aim is to explore the one that also Raspberry Pi minicomputers list as one of the recommended distros, which I think is 16.04, to see if I would like to standardise on that on several computers. It must be lightweight.
[17:14] <vkareh> ah, yeah for Raspberry Pi I think there's only 16.04
[17:14] <vkareh> but that wouldn't have Mutiny or anything like that
[17:15] <vkareh> usuarioX: so you might want to download Ubuntu MATE 16.04 for your desktop to explore, as that's the one they use for the rpi
[17:17] <usuarioX> vkareh, ahh, I see now, it is only the 16.04 one that is LTS, that is why I downloaded it...
[17:17] <vkareh> go to https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/ and click on either 64bit or 32bit and choose the 16.05 LTS (Xenial)
[17:17] <vkareh> 16.04 I mean
[17:18] <usuarioX> vkareh, hmm, maybe I will check out the newer one for the stronger machines, are they very different?
[17:18] <vkareh> usuarioX: but if you have the Mutiny layout it means that you already have the newer 17.10...
[17:22] <usuarioX> vkareh, oh, wrong theme name, it is inside Mate-Tweak that there is a "panel design" that is called Mutiny ...
[17:22] <vkareh> oh cool, okay I didn't know that it existed for 16.04
[17:23] <usuarioX> vkareh, so I have 16.04 with "some theme" and then applied the "Mutiny" panel design, which gives a vertical unity-like panel/toolbar on the left side
[17:24] <vkareh> if you chose a different layout (like Traditional) does it fix the application menu issue?
[17:27] <usuarioX> vkareh, yes, when I choose "Ubuntu Mate" instead of "Mutiny" for the panel layout, then the application menu pops back onto each window. Solved... Wonder if I can tweak/customize such layouts "easily"? Would really like to have just Mutiny, but need the app menu inside each window to avoid going crazy...
[17:30] <usuarioX> vkareh, btw, do you know if there is a tool for UM that lets us set "window rules" to have certain windows/apps always be on top, also across reboots (a policy tool like Compiz has)?
[17:32] <usuarioX> These are the Compiz tools I seriously miss in Ubuntu Mate: Window Rules, Ring Switcher and Wobbly Windows.
[17:32] <vkareh> usuarioX: you should be able to re-create a layout similar to Mutiny by deleting the bottom panel and adding a new one on the left side with the Dock applet
[17:32] <vkareh> usuarioX: for window rules check out devilspie (`sudo apt install devilspie`)
[17:33] <usuarioX> vkareh, oh, interesting, thanks for the tip :-)
[17:33] <vkareh> sure! there's a graphical interface for it, but I don't remember the name
[17:35] <vkareh> usuarioX: https://code.google.com/archive/p/gdevilspie/wikis/gDevilspie.wiki
[17:36] <usuarioX> vkareh, that Panel Dock tip did the trick, just what I wanted :-)
[17:36] <vkareh> or if you want the cli version, here's a tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie
[17:37] <vkareh> great!
[17:52] <usuarioX> vkareh, oh, man, that devilspie tip was a real lifesaver. Now I can decide to go for this distro. Thanks a bunch! :-)
[17:52] <vkareh> usuarioX: you're welcome! :)
[17:54] <usuarioX> hi all, can anyone give a short comment about the main difference(s) between ubuntu mate 16.04 (LTS) and 17.10 (non-LTS)?
[17:56] <usuarioX> (for example, is UM 17.10 no longer "lightweight" as 16.04 seems to be?)
[18:01] <usuarioX> vkareh, final question; do you know if UM 17.10 no longer is "lightweight" as 16.04 seems to be?
[18:03] <vkareh> usuarioX: here are the minimum hardware specs: https://ubuntu-mate.org/about/ - if you want to run it as a lightweight distro, you might want to make sure you select Marco (No Compositor) in MATE Tweak as your window manager. That will allow it to run in most hardware
[20:29] <owen> My sound is not working. Can you help me?
[20:29] <diogenes_> owen, headphones/speakers? is it a fresh installation? give some more info
[20:30] <owen> speakers and headphones are not working. as well as hdmi sound
[21:29] <Boyette> who can help me install wine
[21:29] <diogenes_> Boyette, sudo apt install wine
[21:30] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/MymyFeXW
[21:33] <diogenes_> Boyette, do you see any difference between my command and the one you are showing?
[21:34] <Boyette> yes
[21:34] <Boyette> but
[21:34] <Boyette> thats becuase
[21:34] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/TcpEvekR
[21:35] <diogenes_> sudo apt install wine-stable
[21:37] <Boyette> thx that worked out
[23:10] <Josema> Buenas