| jrwren | Good Morning. | 13:07 |
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| jrwren | I'd like to share with you what I ultimately landed on as a bmarks.us or self hosted bookie replacement, all these years later: make your own reddit sub. | 13:08 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 13:25 |
| cmaloney | rick_h: Happy Birthday Rick! | 13:25 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Hah. | 13:25 |
| cmaloney | Funnily enough someone was asking about a self-hosted bookmark solution and wondered about what features they would want to put in there and I said "Well, funny you should mention that; have you looked at the features of Bookie?" | 13:26 |
| cmaloney | Honestly nothing I've seen has come close to Bookie. It is remarkable. | 13:27 |
| jrwren | oh yeah! Happy Birthday Rick. | 13:38 |
| dzho | cmaloney: my bookmarking is still disconnected, but I think if I start coordinating it in any way it'll be by running https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-sync-1.5.html | 13:47 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, i have yet to find something that has matched Bookie | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | MOst of my bookmarks are in Chrome and Duck Duck Go | 13:49 |
| jrwren | DDG has bmarks? | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Yeah, and it even supports keyword searching | 13:53 |
| cmaloney | just remember the same keywords that you used and it'll find the bookmarks. ;) | 13:53 |
| jrwren | i only use !bang syntax as keywords :) | 13:56 |
| rick_h | ty cmaloney and jrwren | 14:04 |
| rick_h | the big thing is that bookmarks have potential to be much more than a file of links | 14:05 |
| rick_h | that's the thing I feel like gets missed out on | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | Totally | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | and it's something I thought Bookie got right | 14:05 |
| rick_h | well, was working towards | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | I still think there's life in those tires but I don't know front-end enough to make it work | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | and the back-end piece has a lot of libraries that aren't getting updated anymore | 14:06 |
| rick_h | yea, bummed. Part of giving up on it was google was doing bookmarks and pin-whatever seemed to be the geek choice and such | 14:07 |
| jrwren | redditsub | 14:07 |
| rick_h | saturated market | 14:07 |
| cmaloney | Right, but the self-hosted stuff really isn't there | 14:07 |
| rick_h | jrwren: so how's the redditsub thing work? You can keep it private and add links from different sources easily? | 14:07 |
| cmaloney | unless you count [Next|Own]Cloud | 14:07 |
| rick_h | cmaloney: yea, but self-hosted isn't big enough for the time investment | 14:08 |
| cmaloney | I think the tides are changing | 14:08 |
| rick_h | hah, have to love that "I want my own X...so here's all the things!" | 14:08 |
| cmaloney | now that ActivityPub is standardized we can do the federation with different platforms | 14:08 |
| cmaloney | And make it a truly social platform | 14:09 |
| * cmaloney is still in the "sprinkle federation on it to compete with the big players" phase | 14:09 | |
| rick_h | I need to see that work I guess. I don't really know of anywhere it has. | 14:11 |
| jrwren | rick_h: I keep it public, because I typically don't care. But yes, add links with a bookmark shortcut script, wtf are those called? | 14:12 |
| jrwren | javascript:location.href='http://www.reddit.com/r/jrwren/submit?url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title) | 14:12 |
| rick_h | bookmarklet | 14:13 |
| rick_h | yea, I think that a real bookmark solution needs to support private, searching, tagging, and sharing into other folk's collections. I like the lastpass setup for the sharing setup these day | 14:13 |
| rick_h | use that a lot with my wife so I can manage the finances but she has the login for when she's in the mood to check stuff out | 14:14 |
| cmaloney | rick_h: ActivityPub is in use for Mastodon and Peertube. | 14:15 |
| cmaloney | and a few others are coming on board. | 14:15 |
| jrwren | private would be a different reddit sub, but reddit does all the rest of what you just said. | 14:16 |
| rick_h | Cool | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | Michael Hall is working on GetTogether as well to compete with Meetup | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | and we've mentioned ActivityPub for federating that content | 14:16 |
| jrwren | and since reddit it open source, one could host it yourself. | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | Is it still? I thought there were rumbings that it wasn't current / buildable | 14:17 |
| cmaloney | Like Sourceforge's code became OSS but you wouldn't want to build it | 14:17 |
| cmaloney | and the hardware requirements to run it were pretty high | 14:17 |
| dzho | Too Big To Fork is what I call those sorts of things | 14:17 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 14:18 |
| jrwren | adam had juju charms deploying reddit a few yrs ago. I don't know if it still works. | 14:18 |
| dzho | it's a combination of the parent site having too much centrality due to network effects and first mover effects, coupled with maintaining the code base being too big a lift for the reward, and too much configuration being specific to an instance. | 14:18 |
| dzho | given the channel, I think Launchpad is probably a good example. | 14:19 |
| jrwren | eh, its equivocal becuase LP wasn't opensource until it was. reddit always was? | 14:23 |
| jrwren | the LP OSS suffered because it wasn't designed to be hosted by others until much later. | 14:24 |
| jrwren | but then, I guess reddit wasn't always open source either. it was jsut opened much earlier in its life. https://redditblog.com/2008/06/17/reddit-goes-open-source/ | 14:24 |
| jrwren | still, I think you are probably right. The complexity of reddit was one of the things that made the juju so impressive. it wasn't just wordpress and mysql. | 14:26 |
| dzho | even wordpress teeters on the TBTF edge. | 14:28 |
| dzho | I mean, sure, people self-host it all over the place. | 14:28 |
| dzho | but then they get pwned all over the place. | 14:28 |
| jrwren | WAT? | 14:29 |
| jrwren | I must misunderstand waht you mean by TBTF | 14:29 |
| dzho | too big to fork | 14:30 |
| jrwren | depends on the goal of the fork, I suppose. | 14:30 |
| brousch | cmaloney: Is this GetTogether? https://gettogether.community/ | 15:09 |
| brousch | It's really not clear what that is | 15:10 |
| rick_h | yea, really hate things that don't land with their pitch | 15:17 |
| jrwren | k8s Helm took me a while to figure out. They never really explain what they are. | 15:20 |
| jrwren | they use analogy, but they are poor and so it took me a while to get WTF they do and why I'd want it. | 15:20 |
| jrwren | Analogy is the WORST way to describe what you are doing. | 15:20 |
| rick_h | "the uber of ..." ? :P | 15:21 |
| jrwren | ugh. | 15:21 |
| rick_h | helm looks a lot like charms :P | 15:21 |
| jrwren | doesn't it?!? | 15:22 |
| rick_h | helm install vs juju deploy :P | 15:22 |
| rick_h | yea, there's a lot of talk of what CaaS in Juju looks like and I keep thinking it looks a lot like https://hub.kubeapps.com/charts/stable/artifactory | 15:22 |
| cmaloney | brousch: Yeah, that's the one | 15:25 |
| rick_h | open source, experts in adoption :P | 15:27 |
| jrwren | STILL?!?! its 8mo later... 1yr later since we talked about it in New Orleans | 15:30 |
| rick_h | jrwren: still what? | 15:31 |
| jrwren | still lots of talk :) | 15:31 |
| rick_h | heh well there's code there | 15:31 |
| rick_h | but to be fair everyone working on it has left | 15:31 |
| rick_h | so wheeeee | 15:31 |
| jrwren | whoa! | 15:32 |
| jrwren | people must have left that I didn't know about. | 15:32 |
| rick_h | McKraken, menno, axw, | 15:32 |
| rick_h | mattyw | 15:32 |
| jrwren | yup, I didn't know. | 15:32 |
| jrwren | mattyw left?!?! | 15:33 |
| rick_h | (though he didn't work on caas) | 15:33 |
| rick_h | yea | 15:33 |
| cmaloney | Is there anyone still working on code at Canonical that isn't Dustin? | 15:33 |
| rick_h | dustin doesn't work on any code | 15:33 |
| cmaloney | Ah, well then | 15:33 |
| rick_h | his idea of coding is to bash script something with our tools and give it a funny name | 15:33 |
| * rick_h stops before he gets himself in trouble | 15:34 | |
| jrwren | yup | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | Ah. Apparently I conflated that with code. :) | 15:34 |
| rick_h | yea, he's a good salesman | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | https://gettogether.community/ <- Just added an event to this page | 15:35 |
| cmaloney | We'll see if it gets any traction. :) | 15:35 |
| rick_h | hah | 15:35 |
| cmaloney | The interface reminds me a LOT of the Ubuntu Loco interface | 15:36 |
| cmaloney | asking for lat / long | 15:36 |
| cmaloney | using a drop-down for city that is a type-in field | 15:36 |
| cmaloney | really rough, but workable | 15:36 |
| brousch | I was wondering why that came up as nearby me, then remembered our VPN often makes it look like I'm in Detroit | 15:36 |
| cmaloney | It's the only event in MI so that's another reason | 15:37 |
| brousch | If I put in Grand Rapids, 100km, it goes away | 15:37 |
| cmaloney | ah | 15:37 |
| cmaloney | https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883 <- God bless NPM | 15:44 |
| jrwren | LMAO @ page taking too long to load unicorn | 15:50 |
| _stink__ | cmaloney: that's a fun read | 15:57 |
| cmaloney | I love that's a pre-release | 15:57 |
| cmaloney | but with a minor version number | 15:57 |
| cmaloney | um... | 15:58 |
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