[13:07] Good Morning. [13:08] I'd like to share with you what I ultimately landed on as a bmarks.us or self hosted bookie replacement, all these years later: make your own reddit sub. [13:25] Good morning [13:25] rick_h: Happy Birthday Rick! [13:25] jrwren: Hah. [13:26] Funnily enough someone was asking about a self-hosted bookmark solution and wondered about what features they would want to put in there and I said "Well, funny you should mention that; have you looked at the features of Bookie?" [13:27] Honestly nothing I've seen has come close to Bookie. It is remarkable. [13:38] oh yeah! Happy Birthday Rick. [13:47] cmaloney: my bookmarking is still disconnected, but I think if I start coordinating it in any way it'll be by running https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-sync-1.5.html [13:49] Yeah, i have yet to find something that has matched Bookie [13:49] MOst of my bookmarks are in Chrome and Duck Duck Go [13:49] DDG has bmarks? [13:53] jrwren: Yeah, and it even supports keyword searching [13:53] just remember the same keywords that you used and it'll find the bookmarks. ;) [13:56] i only use !bang syntax as keywords :) [14:04] ty cmaloney and jrwren [14:05] the big thing is that bookmarks have potential to be much more than a file of links [14:05] that's the thing I feel like gets missed out on [14:05] Totally [14:05] and it's something I thought Bookie got right [14:06] well, was working towards [14:06] I still think there's life in those tires but I don't know front-end enough to make it work [14:06] and the back-end piece has a lot of libraries that aren't getting updated anymore [14:07] yea, bummed. Part of giving up on it was google was doing bookmarks and pin-whatever seemed to be the geek choice and such [14:07] redditsub [14:07] saturated market [14:07] Right, but the self-hosted stuff really isn't there [14:07] jrwren: so how's the redditsub thing work? You can keep it private and add links from different sources easily? [14:07] unless you count [Next|Own]Cloud [14:08] cmaloney: yea, but self-hosted isn't big enough for the time investment [14:08] I think the tides are changing [14:08] hah, have to love that "I want my own X...so here's all the things!" [14:08] now that ActivityPub is standardized we can do the federation with different platforms [14:09] And make it a truly social platform [14:09] * cmaloney is still in the "sprinkle federation on it to compete with the big players" phase [14:11] I need to see that work I guess. I don't really know of anywhere it has. [14:12] rick_h: I keep it public, because I typically don't care. But yes, add links with a bookmark shortcut script, wtf are those called? [14:12] javascript:location.href='http://www.reddit.com/r/jrwren/submit?url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title) [14:13] bookmarklet [14:13] yea, I think that a real bookmark solution needs to support private, searching, tagging, and sharing into other folk's collections. I like the lastpass setup for the sharing setup these day [14:14] use that a lot with my wife so I can manage the finances but she has the login for when she's in the mood to check stuff out [14:15] rick_h: ActivityPub is in use for Mastodon and Peertube. [14:15] and a few others are coming on board. [14:16] private would be a different reddit sub, but reddit does all the rest of what you just said. [14:16] Cool [14:16] Michael Hall is working on GetTogether as well to compete with Meetup [14:16] and we've mentioned ActivityPub for federating that content [14:16] and since reddit it open source, one could host it yourself. [14:17] Is it still? I thought there were rumbings that it wasn't current / buildable [14:17] Like Sourceforge's code became OSS but you wouldn't want to build it [14:17] and the hardware requirements to run it were pretty high [14:17] Too Big To Fork is what I call those sorts of things [14:18] Yeah [14:18] adam had juju charms deploying reddit a few yrs ago. I don't know if it still works. [14:18] it's a combination of the parent site having too much centrality due to network effects and first mover effects, coupled with maintaining the code base being too big a lift for the reward, and too much configuration being specific to an instance. [14:19] given the channel, I think Launchpad is probably a good example. [14:23] eh, its equivocal becuase LP wasn't opensource until it was. reddit always was? [14:24] the LP OSS suffered because it wasn't designed to be hosted by others until much later. [14:24] but then, I guess reddit wasn't always open source either. it was jsut opened much earlier in its life. https://redditblog.com/2008/06/17/reddit-goes-open-source/ [14:26] still, I think you are probably right. The complexity of reddit was one of the things that made the juju so impressive. it wasn't just wordpress and mysql. [14:28] even wordpress teeters on the TBTF edge. [14:28] I mean, sure, people self-host it all over the place. [14:28] but then they get pwned all over the place. [14:29] WAT? [14:29] I must misunderstand waht you mean by TBTF [14:30] too big to fork [14:30] depends on the goal of the fork, I suppose. [15:09] cmaloney: Is this GetTogether? https://gettogether.community/ [15:10] It's really not clear what that is [15:17] yea, really hate things that don't land with their pitch [15:20] k8s Helm took me a while to figure out. They never really explain what they are. [15:20] they use analogy, but they are poor and so it took me a while to get WTF they do and why I'd want it. [15:20] Analogy is the WORST way to describe what you are doing. [15:21] "the uber of ..." ? :P [15:21] ugh. [15:21] helm looks a lot like charms :P [15:22] doesn't it?!? [15:22] helm install vs juju deploy :P [15:22] yea, there's a lot of talk of what CaaS in Juju looks like and I keep thinking it looks a lot like https://hub.kubeapps.com/charts/stable/artifactory [15:25] brousch: Yeah, that's the one [15:27] open source, experts in adoption :P [15:30] STILL?!?! its 8mo later... 1yr later since we talked about it in New Orleans [15:31] jrwren: still what? [15:31] still lots of talk :) [15:31] heh well there's code there [15:31] but to be fair everyone working on it has left [15:31] so wheeeee [15:32] whoa! [15:32] people must have left that I didn't know about. [15:32] McKraken, menno, axw, [15:32] mattyw [15:32] yup, I didn't know. [15:33] mattyw left?!?! [15:33] (though he didn't work on caas) [15:33] yea [15:33] Is there anyone still working on code at Canonical that isn't Dustin? [15:33] dustin doesn't work on any code [15:33] Ah, well then [15:33] his idea of coding is to bash script something with our tools and give it a funny name [15:34] * rick_h stops before he gets himself in trouble [15:34] yup [15:34] Ah. Apparently I conflated that with code. :) [15:34] yea, he's a good salesman [15:35] https://gettogether.community/ <- Just added an event to this page [15:35] We'll see if it gets any traction. :) [15:35] hah [15:36] The interface reminds me a LOT of the Ubuntu Loco interface [15:36] asking for lat / long [15:36] using a drop-down for city that is a type-in field [15:36] really rough, but workable [15:36] I was wondering why that came up as nearby me, then remembered our VPN often makes it look like I'm in Detroit [15:37] It's the only event in MI so that's another reason [15:37] If I put in Grand Rapids, 100km, it goes away [15:37] ah [15:44] https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883 <- God bless NPM [15:50] LMAO @ page taking too long to load unicorn [15:57] <_stink__> cmaloney: that's a fun read [15:57] I love that's a pre-release [15:57] but with a minor version number [15:58] um...