[13:07] <jrwren> Good Morning.
[13:08] <jrwren> I'd like to share with you what I ultimately landed on as a bmarks.us or self hosted bookie replacement, all these years later: make your own reddit sub.
[13:25] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:25] <cmaloney> rick_h: Happy Birthday Rick!
[13:25] <cmaloney> jrwren: Hah.
[13:26] <cmaloney> Funnily enough someone was asking about a self-hosted bookmark solution and wondered about what features they would want to put in there and I said "Well, funny you should mention that; have you looked at the features of Bookie?"
[13:27] <cmaloney> Honestly nothing I've seen has come close to Bookie. It is remarkable.
[13:38] <jrwren> oh yeah!  Happy Birthday Rick.
[13:47] <dzho> cmaloney: my bookmarking is still disconnected, but I think if I start coordinating it in any way it'll be by running https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/howtos/run-sync-1.5.html
[13:49] <cmaloney> Yeah, i have yet to find something that has matched Bookie
[13:49] <cmaloney> MOst of my bookmarks are in Chrome and Duck Duck Go
[13:49] <jrwren> DDG has bmarks?
[13:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, and it even supports keyword searching
[13:53] <cmaloney> just remember the same keywords that you used and it'll find the bookmarks. ;)
[13:56] <jrwren> i only use !bang syntax as keywords :)
[14:04] <rick_h> ty cmaloney and jrwren
[14:05] <rick_h> the big thing is that bookmarks have potential to be much more than a file of links
[14:05] <rick_h> that's the thing I feel like gets missed out on
[14:05] <cmaloney> Totally
[14:05] <cmaloney> and it's something I thought Bookie got right
[14:06] <rick_h> well, was working towards
[14:06] <cmaloney> I still think there's life in those tires but I don't know front-end enough to make it work
[14:06] <cmaloney> and the back-end piece has a lot of libraries that aren't getting updated anymore
[14:07] <rick_h> yea, bummed. Part of giving up on it was google was doing bookmarks and pin-whatever seemed to be the geek choice and such
[14:07] <jrwren> redditsub
[14:07] <rick_h> saturated market
[14:07] <cmaloney> Right, but the self-hosted stuff really isn't there
[14:07] <rick_h> jrwren: so how's the redditsub thing work? You can keep it private and add links from different sources easily?
[14:07] <cmaloney> unless you count [Next|Own]Cloud
[14:08] <rick_h> cmaloney: yea, but self-hosted isn't big enough for the time investment
[14:08] <cmaloney> I think the tides are changing
[14:08] <rick_h> hah, have to love that "I want my own X...so here's all the things!"
[14:08] <cmaloney> now that ActivityPub is standardized we can do the federation with different platforms
[14:09] <cmaloney> And make it a truly social platform
[14:09]  * cmaloney is still in the "sprinkle federation on it to compete with the big players" phase
[14:11] <rick_h> I need to see that work I guess. I don't really know of anywhere it has.
[14:12] <jrwren> rick_h: I keep it public, because I typically don't care. But yes, add links with a bookmark shortcut script, wtf are those called?
[14:12] <jrwren> javascript:location.href='http://www.reddit.com/r/jrwren/submit?url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title)
[14:13] <rick_h> bookmarklet
[14:13] <rick_h> yea, I think that a real bookmark solution needs to support private, searching, tagging, and sharing into other folk's collections. I like the lastpass setup for the sharing setup these day
[14:14] <rick_h> use that a lot with my wife so I can manage the finances but she has the login for when she's in the mood to check stuff out
[14:15] <cmaloney> rick_h: ActivityPub is in use for Mastodon and Peertube.
[14:15] <cmaloney> and a few others are coming on board.
[14:16] <jrwren> private would be a different reddit sub, but reddit does all the rest of what you just said.
[14:16] <rick_h> Cool
[14:16] <cmaloney> Michael Hall is working on GetTogether as well to compete with Meetup
[14:16] <cmaloney> and we've mentioned ActivityPub for federating that content
[14:16] <jrwren> and since reddit it open source, one could host it yourself.
[14:17] <cmaloney> Is it still? I thought there were rumbings that it wasn't current / buildable
[14:17] <cmaloney> Like Sourceforge's code became OSS but you wouldn't want to build it
[14:17] <cmaloney> and the hardware requirements to run it were pretty high
[14:17] <dzho> Too Big To Fork is what I call those sorts of things
[14:18] <cmaloney> Yeah
[14:18] <jrwren> adam had juju charms deploying reddit a few yrs ago. I don't know if it still works.
[14:18] <dzho> it's a combination of the parent site having too much centrality due to network effects and first mover effects, coupled with maintaining the code base being too big a lift for the reward, and too much configuration being specific to an instance.
[14:19] <dzho> given the channel, I think Launchpad is probably a good example.
[14:23] <jrwren> eh, its equivocal becuase LP wasn't opensource until it was. reddit always was?
[14:24] <jrwren> the LP OSS suffered because it wasn't designed to be hosted by others until much later.
[14:24] <jrwren> but then, I guess reddit wasn't always open source either. it was jsut opened much earlier in its life. https://redditblog.com/2008/06/17/reddit-goes-open-source/
[14:26] <jrwren> still, I think you are probably right. The complexity of reddit was one of the things that made the juju so impressive. it wasn't just wordpress and mysql.
[14:28] <dzho> even wordpress teeters on the TBTF edge.
[14:28] <dzho> I mean, sure, people self-host it all over the place.
[14:28] <dzho> but then they get pwned all over the place.
[14:29] <jrwren> WAT?
[14:29] <jrwren> I must misunderstand waht you mean by TBTF
[14:30] <dzho> too big to fork
[14:30] <jrwren> depends on the goal of the fork, I suppose.
[15:09] <brousch> cmaloney: Is this GetTogether? https://gettogether.community/
[15:10] <brousch> It's really not clear what that is
[15:17] <rick_h> yea, really hate things that don't land with their pitch
[15:20] <jrwren> k8s Helm took me a while to figure out. They never really explain what they are.
[15:20] <jrwren> they use analogy, but they are poor and so it took me a while to get WTF they do and why I'd want it.
[15:20] <jrwren> Analogy is the WORST way to describe what you are doing.
[15:21] <rick_h> "the uber of ..." ? :P
[15:21] <jrwren> ugh.
[15:21] <rick_h> helm looks a lot like charms :P
[15:22] <jrwren> doesn't it?!?
[15:22] <rick_h> helm install vs juju deploy :P
[15:22] <rick_h> yea, there's a lot of talk of what CaaS in Juju looks like and I keep thinking it looks a lot like https://hub.kubeapps.com/charts/stable/artifactory
[15:25] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah, that's the one
[15:27] <rick_h>  open source, experts in adoption :P
[15:30] <jrwren> STILL?!?!  its 8mo later... 1yr later since we talked about it in New Orleans
[15:31] <rick_h> jrwren: still what?
[15:31] <jrwren> still lots of talk :)
[15:31] <rick_h> heh well there's code there
[15:31] <rick_h> but to be fair everyone working on it has left
[15:31] <rick_h> so wheeeee
[15:32] <jrwren> whoa!
[15:32] <jrwren> people must have left that I didn't know about.
[15:32] <rick_h> McKraken, menno, axw,
[15:32] <rick_h> mattyw
[15:32] <jrwren> yup, I didn't know.
[15:33] <jrwren> mattyw left?!?!
[15:33] <rick_h> (though he didn't work on caas)
[15:33] <rick_h> yea
[15:33] <cmaloney> Is there anyone still working on code at Canonical that isn't Dustin?
[15:33] <rick_h> dustin doesn't work on any code
[15:33] <cmaloney> Ah, well then
[15:33] <rick_h> his idea of coding is to bash script something with our tools and give it a funny name
[15:34]  * rick_h stops before he gets himself in trouble
[15:34] <jrwren> yup
[15:34] <cmaloney> Ah. Apparently I conflated that with code. :)
[15:34] <rick_h> yea, he's a good salesman
[15:35] <cmaloney> https://gettogether.community/ <- Just added an event to this page
[15:35] <cmaloney> We'll see if it gets any traction. :)
[15:35] <rick_h> hah
[15:36] <cmaloney> The interface reminds me a LOT of the Ubuntu Loco interface
[15:36] <cmaloney> asking for lat / long
[15:36] <cmaloney> using a drop-down for city that is a type-in field
[15:36] <cmaloney> really rough, but workable
[15:36] <brousch> I was wondering why that came up as nearby me, then remembered our VPN often makes it look like I'm in Detroit
[15:37] <cmaloney> It's the only event in MI so that's another reason
[15:37] <brousch> If I put in Grand Rapids, 100km, it goes away
[15:37] <cmaloney> ah
[15:44] <cmaloney> https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883 <- God bless NPM
[15:50] <jrwren> LMAO @ page taking too long to load unicorn
[15:57] <_stink__> cmaloney: that's a fun read
[15:57] <cmaloney> I love that's a pre-release
[15:57] <cmaloney> but with a minor version number
[15:58] <cmaloney> um...