[00:13] <Unit193> So a typical upgrade will leave volumed and ind-sound installed, I didn't use the upgrader but I still have them installed and in use.
[00:13] <Unit193> So what am I supposed to do with this xfpm in ~ ? :3
[01:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: thought we had something for that, but it was just the templates
[01:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: go ahead and upload :)
[01:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: We wouldn't want to be changing users config, that's very uncool.
[01:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: right, but if we replace the sound indicator package and don't put a sound indicator back in their panel, also uncool
[01:27] <bluesabre> but if the package should stick around, no issues there
[01:27] <Unit193> Understandable, that's why we wouldn't add indicator-sound/etc to the upgrader tool to remove.
[01:28] <Unit193> Sure, remember the indicator-power times?  We all had to switch back manually. :D
[01:28] <bluesabre> as for the gnome-/mate-, are we going to remove? We'll need to update the keyboard binding for the calc
[01:28] <Unit193> I'd think that'd be a good idea.
[02:03] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/18.04.2
[02:06] <Unit193> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/357968625/xubuntu-artwork_18.04.1_18.04.2.diff.gz heh.
[02:07] <bluesabre> :D
[02:07] <bluesabre> knome: I did the wp color scheme
[02:07] <bluesabre> *dig
[02:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-edu/debian-edu-artwork.git/tree/art-lines/desktop-base/Makefile.am#n28
[02:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: neat
[02:14] <bluesabre> seems like that could be handy
[02:14] <Unit193> I say that in case we ever actually want to build from source, yeah.
[02:14] <Unit193> (I only know it because: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-edu/debian-edu-artwork.git/tree/debian/changelog#n15)
[02:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: are you currently packaging the greeter merge? Don't want to step on your work again :)
[02:15] <Unit193> Technically, you made me upload my version anyway, soo...  But no sir!
[02:15] <bluesabre> oh?
[03:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: vs ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9bVdPXRGbx/, vs debian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QFPnVTMpkc/, look good?
[03:06] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [bionic] r332 Release and upload 18.04.2 (by Sean Davis)
[03:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yes, any comments are upstream comments.
[03:31] <FurretUber> Where I can find why a system that upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 crashes on login and returns to lightdm?
[03:32] <Unit193> Is this the thing that if you login a few times, eventually it works?  Did you remove .xauthority and ice too?
[03:32] <Unit193> !xhangs
[03:34] <FurretUber> Now I removed both
[03:34] <Unit193> If it's the one I'm thinking of, it shows the desktop, then flips back.  If you login one or two more times it eventually works. :P
[03:34] <FurretUber> I will restart the system
[03:34] <Unit193> Restart lightdm.
[03:34] <Unit193> sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[03:35] <FurretUber> Removing those files and restarting lightdm didn't work
[03:37] <FurretUber> Using cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log has only one (EE)
[03:38] <FurretUber> AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[03:39] <Unit193> There's also logs in /var/log/lightdm/
[03:39] <Unit193> You may want to seek help in #ubuntu+1
[03:52] <FurretUber> There was a warning that upstart was not found on lightdm-gtk-greeter, and upstart is not installable
[04:01] <bluesabre> Pushed a new greeter to bionic, taking it's time to show up anywhere, might have gone to the void
[04:01] <bluesabre> or lp taking a nap
[04:02] <bluesabre> or its this, https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/966160500827435008
[04:02] <bluesabre> bed time :)
[04:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Mine went to the void too!
[10:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks for the xfpm upload :)
[11:23] <bluesabre> ochosi: oh wow, that cursor cannot hide
[11:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: and yup, gotta have the no compositor fallback
[11:28] <bluesabre> (for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypaW7lPm3vI&feature=youtu.be)
[12:06] <bluesabre> !team | I'm thinking about scheduling our next meeting for tomorrow at 23 UTC (see below), will anybody be around?
[12:06] <bluesabre> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Meeting&iso=20180223T23&p1=%3A&ah=1
[12:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: so based on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oAkWhSp-Lpo-g1Vv91APlmr5L_erfarN_45CSxyxrxc/edit?usp=sharing, there's probably not much we can do about fonts without restricting language support, huh?
[12:26]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[12:40] <Unit193> I should likely say that time works for me.
[12:41] <Unit193> bluesabre: There might be a better way to do it, for example.
[12:44] <knome> bluesabre, good good ;)
[12:45] <knome> tomorrow is likely bad for me with the meeting, but don't let that hold you from running it
[13:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, still wondering whether to use xshape or xdraw as fallback
[13:05] <ochosi> and i wont be around tomorrow
[13:05] <ochosi> tonight would work
[13:05] <Unit193> What'd you end up with?  That's (defineable) key press?
[14:26] <FurretUber> Hi, I think I've found why the machine I upgraded from Xubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 failed. On the .xsession-errors the last line is:
[14:27] <FurretUber> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start: linha 5: /sbin/upstart: Arquivo ou diretório nao encontrado
[14:27] <FurretUber> Basically, upstart was not found
[14:29] <FurretUber> It tried to run /sbin/upstart --user, apparently. 
[17:37] <flocculant> bluesabre - time's fine for me tomorrow evening
[17:37] <flocculant> knome: nice wallpaper :)
[20:18] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, i dont really like the idea of hardcoding a shortcut...
[20:20] <ochosi> Unit193: i'm still looking into checking whether there's a shortcut defined for it so i can show an infobar or something, but maybe that's not so critical for the 4.12 version
[22:35] <Unit193> ochosi: Right, I was thinking rather than the movement tracking style that was proposed.
[22:35] <ochosi> sry, i don't understand then
[22:35] <ochosi> the movement tracking is just a new feature i put in
[22:35] <ochosi> in theory it could be optional
[22:38] <ochosi> or is that even what you dis/like?
[22:41] <Unit193> Don't get me wrong, I like the idea, the only specific thing I wouldn't is shaking the mouse to get it.  Key press is ideal. :)
[22:42] <Unit193> So, I just simply asked how it was triggered.
[22:44] <Unit193> (So thanks for adding it!)  Also in case you didn't see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/1.6.1-0ubuntu1
[22:45] <ochosi> ah
[22:45] <ochosi> hehe, noo, it's not triggered by mouse-wiggle
[22:46] <ochosi> it's a custom keyboard shortcut the user can set
[22:46] <Unit193> \o/
[22:46] <ochosi> i'm not even sure mouse-wiggle is possible to implement properly with X11
[22:47] <Unit193> Additionally, it's even easier to see than Windows' version. :D
[22:47] <ochosi> :D
[22:47] <ochosi> yeah, maybe i'll make the color configurable
[22:47] <ochosi> not sure yet
[22:47] <ochosi> someone in the xfce-dev chan said it looks like an 80s computer game explosion
[22:48] <ochosi> and ooh, thanks for the upload!
[22:48] <ochosi> there were some things i should fix in xfpm, right? appstream stuff..?
[22:49] <Unit193> I didn't say you had to fix, it told me, I passed it along, I forgot because I didn't care. ;D
[22:49] <Unit193> appstream-metadata-in-legacy-location usr/share/appdata/xfce4-power-manager.appdata.xml
[22:50] <Unit193> usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager excuting executing  was the more interesting one.
[22:52] <ochosi> heh, ok
[22:52] <ochosi> i'll check
[22:52] <ochosi> first i'll have to check the screenshooter code
[23:49] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:53] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[23:53] <bluesabre> hey ochosi