[01:52] <ubptgbot> DarenHarlan was added by: DarenHarlan
 @TartanSpartan, Weird. So I installed xterm in libertine, and if I `ls -lh /usr/bin/sudo` from there, it shows sudo is owned by my uid, and not root. If I do `libertine-container-manager exec -c bash` in terminal app, and run `ls -lh /usr/bin/sudo` there, it says it's owned by root. AT THE SAME TIME
 wtf
 @TartanSpartan, Right, so I guess the answer here is just "don't run sudo" because you don't need to, inside the container, as it's unprivileged.
[03:21] <ubptgbot> GermoVeltmaat was added by: GermoVeltmaat
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/you-can-now-turn-your-old-moto-g2-titan-phone-into-an-ubuntu-phone-here-s-how-519910.shtml
[04:07] <ubptgbot> Diegoliveira987 was added by: Diegoliveira987
 Hi guys, have prevision the UbuntuTouch for MotoG3?
[04:57] <ubptgbot> ChillarAnand was added by: ChillarAnand
 Is there any documentation to build Ubuntu Touch for unsupported devices like Moto G3 or Moto G4?
 @ChillarAnand, Give me a minute and I'll find the documentation on porting to new devices
 @ChillarAnand, Happy birthday https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @dohbee but erm mm... I want to, as build scripts aren't properly handled by exec commands with libertine-container-manager, unless I'm missing something?
 Btw, the comment of mine you quoted, that related to USB internet passthrough on UT vs Android.
 @AmolithSeregion Thank you
 @TartanSpartan, I am not sure what you want me to do. I can't follow the conversation. Can you give me a command to output?
 @wayneoutthere, DId someone say Coffee?
 Sending this from my beat up n4
 Yay
[08:47] <ubptgbot> zakait was added by: zakait
[08:48] <ubptgbot> MauiElba was added by: MauiElba
 hello guy my bq 4.5 the microphone during call does not work...  any suggention to fix up?? thank you all
[09:28] <ZeroPointEnergy> Is there a way to launch a phone app from an ssh session in order to debug?
 @ChillarAnand, I always forget which one Dalton is working on. I think G4 plus?
 I am also working on G4 plus. @UniversalSuperBox
 @kz6fittycent, Wonderful. Enjoy!
 @MrNobodyroaster, Did you check the microphone with sound recorder?
 @Stereofont, yes  work fine
 Volume set to zero seems more likely than microphone not recognised by the app. Mysterious though
 call with earphone  works
 Clear cache with UTtweaktool is a bit random but will do no harm so you might as well. Restart after
 @MrNobodyroaster, External microphone with those
 Maybe Pulseaudio is getting stuck on 'external input'
[09:46] <ubptgbot> arnaubt was added by: arnaubt
 @arnaubt, Hello Arnau. If you are new to Ubuntu Touch, check this out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Stereofont, is it possible cache 0 byte  before clear??
 @Stereofont, i am switching on devel..... Is it possible to fix it up??
 @MrNobodyroaster, I don't see how cache can be completely empty
 (Photo, 1180x658) https://irc.ubports.com/9Xkep8UC.png Join @surgesocialbot and get free premium package to my website instapower.ml/tools. For more info pm me @greatgods
 @MrNobodyroaster, Right now, stable, rc and devel are about the same. All the effort is on 16.04. So use stable
 @greatgods, Please do not spam thus group!
 @greatgods, [Edit] Please do not spam this group!
 Oh I forwarded by mistake
 It wasn't my intent to forward it here
 Sorry for that
 You should be able to delete from your end
 Yeah done bro
 Okay, no problem
 @dohbee, That is because a Libertine container is a PRoot container, that is, it's conceptually the same as a chroot but it does everything in userspace, simulating the root access inside it (with fakeroot)
 In fact you don't need sudo to use Libertine
 @TronFortyTwo if so, then please tell me how to ./ .sh scripts in the container?
 it should just work
 What's your issue?
 dear list, my ultimate bug list on BQ E5: … - no sound from speakers, headphone works … - screen is black when any notification comes in … - screen is black even when someone calls me, have a half second to pick up the phone when I push the power button, after blank again. Now as no sound, I even do not know if someone calls me … - b
[10:32] <ubptgbot> rowser does not start, after the icon on the middle just shuts down … - the phone restarts when push power off, shuts down only if I get the shut down window from the top bar menu system/shut down … - no mms in and out - settings are properly set, nothing has changed by me
 basically, the phone is useless as it is per now
 can not even reflash the system, as it stucks after fleshing boot and recovery image
 [Edit] can not even reflash the system, as it stucks after flashing boot and recovery imag
 [Edit] can not even reflash the system, as it stucks after flashing boot and recovery image
 Which Ubuntu Touch version do you have installed?
 OTA 15.04
 with the latest updates
 @TronFortyTwo it just doesn't. Not when I use libertine-container-manager, or if I use a LIbertine terminal. How would you evoke the command, precisely?
 should a factory reset solve it?
 @TartanSpartan, just ./script or sh script … Maybe your container has been corrupted
 oh yes version 17, just today was again updated, since then no sound and browser works
 @Popesz, Seems like you are on rc. Revert to Stable
 how if ubportss does not work?
 No you're not clear sorry, should that be in libertine-container-manager, or the Libertine terminal?
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/WONSYhjJ.png
 Checking in, any news on Nexus 5x?
[11:23] <ubptgbot> megaSAY was added by: megaSAY
 Can someone tell me how I can install the original DEKKO app. … In Openstore i find only Dekko2, and that one is not working for me
 Sorry, I just kept using the old one after the Canonical store closed down.
 @Stereofont, G5 Plus
 @JoshuaAshton, Being worked on. Seems fairly early days though
 @TartanSpartan, Where is that script stored?
 @GermoVeltmaat, If you explain the problem with it, Dan may be able to show you how to fix it
 Inside the LIbertine container home directory (not exactly the same as the phablet's home directory).
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/k0Mm0lK8.png
 this is my os build details. is it rc?
 @TartanSpartan, No, in fact are different  Have you tried using libertine-launch?
 @Stereofont, I can't see my inboxes. I have to select each inbox from every account seperatly before i see what's new
 @GermoVeltmaat, give this a try https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/uploads/d6e03b08e2309a5b4da83b5fd594ed6d/dekko2.dekkoproject_0.1.6_armhf.click
 Please explain the use of libertine-launch? I haven't used that command before.
 Launches and application in the container `libertine-launch <container-id> <executable>`
 for instance `libertine-launch vivid firefox`
 http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/libertine-launch.1.html
 Will try soon, TYVM (Y)
 (Sticker, 392x512) https://irc.ubports.com/tUetP478.webp
 @TronFortyTwo, I don't think it will help.
 @Popesz, Are you on the UBports image? Looks like old Canonical
 @TartanSpartan, No, what happens when you run it inside container via the terminal, not with lct?
 The script itself is broken it seems, and lacks some env var there, though.
 @GermoVeltmaat, You can install the click package using OpenStore app, even when it is not from the store
 @DanChapman, I went to manpages expecting pipe tobacco recommendations and scotch reviews and can't seem to find them...
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/supporting-x11-clients-on-mir-servers/4244
 @Stereofont, Never updated to UBports image. On Mac OS X it just stucks at flashing boot and recovery image
 should i try it on Windows 10 or Ununtu 17?
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/this-week-in-mir-23rd-feb-2018/4238
 @dohbee same old refrain I'm afraid...
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/ufNIDjw2.png
 I don't think the script is broken as it compiled without problem on Ubuntu 16.04, GNOME flavour.
[13:06] <ubptgbot> yasngleer was added by: yasngleer
 @TartanSpartan, Do `alias sudo=""`
 Then run after
 @TartanSpartan, A bash script is compiled? Are you sure? More over, if you compiled something in a x86(_64) machine it won't run on ARM
 @TronFortyTwo, Not especially true.
 @Popesz, Preferably Ubuntu 16.04 but we should be able to get it done with Windows. I am out at the moment. Can help you later
 thankx Lionelb, will try by myself, if no success will shout
 Use the 15 second Fastboot installer, clear all old phone drivers and use the wizard to download the latest phone driver, in Device Manager
 Perhaps compiled was a poor choise of term.
 *choice
 @Popesz, I used to run the installer with Ubuntu 17.10 and it worked
 @DanChapman, Thanks, that helped
 great, strange that on Mac OS X it stucks. will I loose everything after reflashing it?
 like sms, wifi ssids and passwords etc?
 Anyone interested in helping with QA? We could really use people to triage and confirm issues and test fixes! Here's how: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/quality-assurance.html
 @TronFortyTwo to be stictly accurate, this SDK does enable x86/64 architecture to compile for the target hardware (PlayStation Vita, ARM processor) but yes it isn't intended to compile/build for use on UbuntuTouxh hardware for example.
 @TartanSpartan, yes cross compiling :)
 @dohbee with that alias command, you literally mean "" or do you mean "insertanynamehere"?
 *Ubuntu Touch
 @neothethird, do we have a 'bug testing QA army team' established?
 @TartanSpartan, yes, literal empty string, so "sudo" should become "" then
 so any scripts that would run sudo, would just run the thing they would run under sudo, instead
 Gotcha, let me try it.
 Because things like sudo are basically useless in this situation, we need to find a workaround. Maybe something we can apply globally with a patch to libertine
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/F0Ekqe7N.png
 That would be cool, because yeah, this looks much like a bug to me which costs functionality for users.
 @DanChapman penny for your thoughts here too.
 well, that is certainly unreadable to me
 as in i literally cannot read that, even if i open in another tab and zoom in
 Hmm, yeah I see the screenshot is pixelated on a desktop, but it just says "bad substitution" and the setuid etc spiel.
 not for aliasing sudo it doesn't
 Ermmmm.
 should probably make it so sudo can't be installed, too
 I believe it does. I'll zoom in and show you again.
 `alias sudo=""` does not complain about bad substitution or setuid
 Just telling you what my eyes tell me bro, unless I've misintepreted one of your instructions.
 all i can see is that apparently you did the alias wrong, but i can't see why
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/wwpLTdec.png
 huh
 that makes no sense 😞
 Call up your old libertine maintainer contact in Canonical and ask him WTF he was smoking :P
 I jest.
 oh, the script must be running `/usr/bin/sudo` directly then
 so uh, fix the script to not do whatever it's calling sudo to do
 or to just call sudo and not the full path
 @TartanSpartan, the vita shell people are the ones smoking something here :)
 I dunno if your first suggestion would be viable? Doesn't it need root privileges to be able to build, period?
 or they're all just windows devs and have no idea how to do things correctly in a unix-ish environment
 @TartanSpartan, no
 Strictly speaking, I'm trying to install the vitasdk here, not VitaShell (that comes afterwards).
 it's an unprivileged chroot, you don't need root to do anything
 "Windows … If you have Bash on Ubuntu on Windows, then the recommended way is to follow the Linux directions above. Otherwise, continue reading. … Install msys2 … Run mingw64 shell and install the dependencies: pacman -Su make git cmake tar mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-libwinpthread-git"
 That suggests Ubuntu is fond to them, Windows, not so much.
 I guess I'll look at curtailing the full bath from the build script then...
 *path
 That's the script:
 https://pastebin.com/m5crSsQM
 well then it's the other script that it calls which needs fixing perhaps
 See, that's part of why I found libertine-container-manager problematic for handling this, it seemed to be choking if you (implicitly) asked it to handle a chain of scripts.
 Here is the install-vitasdk.sh script it calls:
 https://pastebin.com/hwqPJWAk
 libertine-container-manager isn't the correct way to handle it
 Agreed.
 you could just link to the github or whatever instead of pastebinning btw :)
 True. Next time I will 😇
 So, how should I patch that script?
 Anyway, I don't think the core problem here is really related to libertine, but just that this vita junk is doing something wrong somewhere
 i don't know
 Are you saying that Libertine would correctly manage a sudo command for other use cases? I haven't seen anything to suggest that on my hardware.
 just make a `~/bin/sudo` script in the container that just does `exec $@` and make it executable
 no, i'm saying nothing should be calling sudo
 the only person who should ever call sudo is the user directly
 What will that script achieve? Not being sarcastic, genuine question.
 imo, libertine should make it so you can't even install sudo (unless you manually tweak some apt config to force it, and then you'd end up in a situation like you're in probably, because the only reason you'd do it is some script is being stupid)
 it will just run the thing instead of trying to actually run /usr/bin/sudo
 Gotcha. Will try that.
 This /bin/sudo script.
 Should "sudo" be a file or a directory?
 FIle I guess?
 it's a script, so a file, yes
 and it's `/home/phablet/bin/sudo` not `/bin/sudo`
 or you could put it in `/usr/local/bin/` perhaps
 Got it.
 On a completely different note.
 I have a line of code going:
 if ((rel_pos + 1) < MAX_POSITION) { …         rel_pos++;
 In C.
 Say if I want it to do the same thing but add 17 on top of that, how to?
 I.e. iterate rel_pos by 18 instead of 1.
 uh oh :D using unity8 on bionic :D
 for 4 hours and going strong wololo
 not that bad actually
 this sounds awesome actually
 it is :D
 put the POP back in Popescu!
 all the apps are running on Xmir (that's the default way i think u-a-l launches the apps on Xmir, even balls2 snap works)
 anyway most apps don't really need xmir
 @dohbee I've made the sudo script executable (hopefully Libertine gives sufficient permissions to fully allow that) and tried to use sudo now but still no dice.
 @popescu_sorin, becasue there is not unity8 interfaces for snaps. none of that was completed. simple solution is to not use snaps.
 @TartanSpartan, is the new script in your $PATH ?
[15:23] <ubptgbot> Marco Sirabella was added by: Marco Sirabella
 maybe the `~/.profile` isn't being loaded properly because it's not a login shell perhaps
 In home/phablet/bin/sudo, yes.
 it's ok :D some snaps runs ok with Xmir
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/qTMMaiPT.png
 weee
 Is there a way to search for messages in the UT app? Also, is there a way to manually set the screen resolution? Both my laptop and phone detect the wrong res for my TV. It's fine on my laptop because I can set it but i don't see a way to on mobile
 I don't think there's any search in teelgram app
 and no, there's no way to change resolution at the moment
 So @dohbee I guess I should try your other suggestion of /usr/local/bin/ then?
 And will a restart be necessary at any point?
 no, you don't need to restart
 @AmolithSeregion, maybe you can serach in the telegram scope?
 iirc
 @TronFortyTwo, yeah, you can search using the scope, even if it's not developed anymore
 @TronFortyTwo, i think it only searches what's in the local cache though, and doesn't actually talk to the server, so it's still pretty limited
 @Michele, ? the scope comes from the same package as the telegram app. they're in the same source tree
 (but imo, the scope should be killed)
 Speaking of Scopes...
 I really miss the Today Scope from canonical days (coupled with their Tasks app)... Are there any plans to bring it back and/or chances of installing it again on the UBports versions?
 It was really cool to gather all that info on one screen, your calendar and tasks for the day, the weather and some messages received...
 The source is out there. go for it
 @dohbee, sure, I know that
 Hmmm it's been years since I compiled anything from source, and it was on a PC
 If anyone would be kind enough to run a quick how-to for me, I'll do
 (I mean, back in the days it was configure/make/make install; is that still the case on our beloved UT?)
 I know Scopes are deprecated now but will they ever...not be? Lol.
 @Gorsh2, I'm not really sure which app you want to compile, but in case of Ubuntu Touch it's likely that you have to replace configure with `qmake`
 @Gorsh2, [Edit] I'm not really sure which app you want to compile, but in case of Ubuntu Touch it's likely that you have to replace `configure` with `qmake`
 @Gorsh2, That would be absolutely wonderful
 @JBBgameich, The Scope we're talking about, the Today scope from canonical.
 I'd still miss the Tasks app, but maybe Talaan's maker could help there...
 tbf the today scope itself doesn't really have any source to compile within it. it's just a bunch of json, and the packaging stuff. it includes a pre-built binary of the actual scope.so. so basically you just need to grab it from bzr, and "build" it with clickable i guess
 but really, getting rid of scopes would be a big win
 I haven't followed that discussion so I don't know what's the rationale behind that. Some were cool (this one, and the Places one that told you what was around you)
 the Nearby scope?
 Hmm yeah, I was going by memory
 eh. what discussion?
 I assumed you had some sort of debate about keeping or losing the scopes in the UBporters secret lair? Something like that.
 oh, i haven't
 but we were moving away from the dash in unity8 before everything to abandoned
 OMG Rodney it's starting to work! You're a boss :D
 @dohbee, Alright then.
 and the way scopes worked really doesn't make sense outside of a phone
 Yeah, but IMHO it does a lot on it.
 it doesn't really do anything you couldn't otherwise do in an application, really
 and it's not really how the people building the scopes infrastructure really imagined how scopes should be, so eh
 Hmm. That's an interesting way of thinking about that. One could remake the scope as an app and keep it running.
 I always wished you could swap the "main" scope with one of your choice
 So you open your phone to the one you wanted instead of swiping into it
[16:19] <ubptgbot> EdmondLogan was added by: EdmondLogan
 you can
 Wow. Nice!
 although, maybe only via hacking some qml or something, i don't recall exactly how
 I'll look it up/ask later
 Sounds promising
 I need to clean up my place now, this is beginning to look like a sty but with a computer on it :)
 the today scope always felt a bit weird anyway
 i don't want to reminisce over what i did earlier, when i open my phone
 Nah, the value was in looking at it when you were waking up
 So you had that calendar day, the tasks you still had to do, and the weather for that day
 all in one place
 if only i would have few enough items on my list, that it was the only time i needed to look at it :P
 or if i lived in a place where the weather wouldn't change any faster than 24 hours
 Most of Earth nowadays...
 and also only traveled to such places
 Boom, to the nth degree. I now have a VIta development environment on my Pro 5 in LIbertine. Thank you so much Rodney for basically exhausting all possibilities to make sudo function for this.
 BOOM - Tetris for @Seumas
 :)
 I always like the promise of the scopes - like the soundcloud one that appears in the tutorial for example. I don't think I ever used many though - probably because the content wasn't specific enough for me.
 where i live, the past couple of months we've had days where it would go from like 20C to -3C in less than a day
 So i might be interested in headline from a local newspaper, but not Le Monde. Or I might like a scope which allowed me to sign into Bandcamp - but I wasn't interested in a music one which just pulled popular tracks from some service I never used.
 (Sticker, 276x512) https://irc.ubports.com/IuONRjy0.webp
 And if I ever get a freiza, I'll have to do it there too, because it would look and feel delicious on a tablet, but cooler is ust too cramped to handle it sadly.
 @padraic7a, Same here. I was amazed when some random helper got the Buenos Aires buses webapp; that was the first time something got that localized for me. Everything else was like "oh, ok, some journal somewhere"
 @padraic7a, [Edit] Same here. I was amazed when some random helper got the Buenos Aires Map webapp; that was the first time something got that localized for me. Everything else was like "oh, ok, some journal somewhere"
 *just
 @dohbee, Where's that @dohbee ?
 https://hastebin.com/zeligopupi.vbs
 hey guys
 here's my dmesg
 ubports hit a nail
 mmcblk0p25 is the userdata block
[17:03] <ubptgbot> ohaniceyt was added by: ohaniceyt
 Any idea?
 @Gorsh2, us-east
 Nice.
 the weather in BsAs was nicer, but it gets the random dark clouds rolling in out of nowhere in the afternoon for a quick storm, and then back to sun, too :)
[17:17] <ubptgbot> Igor Dikiy was added by: Igor Dikiy
 @Igor Dikiy, Игорь, welcome
 @Gorsh2, There has been some discussion quite openly but not much. The general conclusion seemed to be that we have to get the main architecture fixed first, then we can play. Some people like scopes, some don't
 @dohbee, Oh you've been here?
 @Stereofont, Sounds reasonable.
 @Gorsh2, yes, several times.
 Cool! Next time you have a tour guide available, and/or a couch to fall on
 @Gorsh2, Swipe up from the bottom edge in any scope, then favourite and re-order
 @Stereofont, But that never allowed to change the default one with another one as, well, default...
 App is always the default
 Remember you can customise with Falcon
 @Stereofont, No. On some retail images, Today was the primary scope
 but that's not the case in ubports obviously, because there is no today scope in the store, to install by default in the custom tarballs.
 If anyone has a nice image file of Unity 8, would you please send me one? Thanks!
 I mean a screenshot or picture
[17:50] <ubptgbot> Osbox68 was added by: Osbox68
[18:02] <ubptgbot> Federico Foligna was added by: Federico Foligna
[18:04] <ubptgbot> <Federico Foligna> Hello. I'm new here on telegram and in the group. I would like to know if someone can help me to install ubuntu touch in a LG h440 phone. If it's possible to do that? Thank everyone in advance. 😃🍀
 @Federico Foligna, Check out the docs on porting UT to new devices. I'll see if I can find them.
[18:07] <ubptgbot> megastruktur was added by: megastruktur
[18:07] <ubptgbot> <Federico Foligna> I don't know what you are talking about, can you please explain me? I'm a rookie.
 @Federico Foligna, I am afraid not. Every phone need special customization, its not an Android ROM thingie
 Hi all!  :) … Had someone installed the Ubuntu Touch on the Oneplus One? I've just tried to install it via the app provided, but now I have only bootlooped phone  :(
[18:09] <ubptgbot> <Federico Foligna> Thak you Amolith and Florian.
 @Federico Foligna, Follow the documentation here and it'll get you started. If you need help with porting, I'm sure @wayneoutthere has a channel for it 😂
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <Federico Foligna> Thank you.
 @Federico Foligna, No problem
 @Federico Foligna, I'm sorry I didn't even add the link. Let me find it again
 @Federico Foligna, Here it is: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 For all those recently joined, check outhttps://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @megastruktur, Odd. We seem to be getting an outbreak of boitlooping! Find the install room from the link I just posted
 Thanks, Lionelb  :)
 @Federico Foligna, I may get shot down again but 1Gb is quite limiting. You probably would not get optimal performance from such a device
 @megastruktur, [Edit] Odd. We seem to be getting an outbreak of bootlooping! Find the install room from the link I just posted
 @Stereofont, try that spacing again, coach!  here, I'll do it for you. … For all those who recently joined, join us here at the welcome page and find everything (nearly) that you need: … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 [Edit] For all those recently joined, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 😜
[18:42] <ubptgbot> Qiangong2 was added by: Qiangong2
 @Qiangong2, Hello! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 I've been trying to build ubports-boot, but I keep getting stuck with this error: https://hastebin.com/exodaligos.go
 @Qiangong2, Which device? You mean that you are trying to port to a new device?
 Yes
 I have successfully ported Halium to my jfltetmo, and am now working on porting ubports
 Did you ask in Halium group?
 More concentrated community of porters there
 Yes, they didn't know why that error was happening. It didn't occur when I was building halium
 I see
 Here there are very few with the experience necessary so you may have to wait for someone to appear
 Oh, okay
 Is there a dedicated ubports dev channel?
[18:48] <ubptgbot> GiaSen was added by: GiaSen
 For a long discussion, the Lab may be a good place, taking it out of here
 @popescu_sorin, Hi popescu, there is a new update to get apps working? I still cant open any apps
 Maybe someone with the expertise will join you there later
 Okay, thanks
 If there are lots of messages here, may need to flag it up again. Remind me if you don't hear anything
 @malditobastardo, on PC? or on 16.04 on a particular phone?
 or on libertine?
 @GiaSen, Hello Giamma. See this https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 its a bit OT its for bionic Unity8
 @Stereofont, Good morning bot
 Oh it isn't a bot
 oh, i think marius got that working now
 @malditobastardo, Not unless it has changed since last night 😂
 it was an issue after the switch to systemd
 @GiaSen, Haha no we are people. Bot free zone here
 Fwd from mariogrip: Now x11 apps should start on bionic, got ubuntu-app-launch fixed
 @dohbee, I have read his message from yesterday, thats why I asked :)
 Yeah but still no updates for me
 @Stereofont, 👍
 i don't know if he's rebuilt packages yet. i presume apt-get update/upgrade would tell you that :)
 I though it was fixed because Popescu showed that picture
 yeah not yet :(
 @malditobastardo, i think those are snaps, and snaps weren't broken by it
 Good point amigo, I didnt pay attention about he was refering to snaps mostly
 @malditobastardo, works here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7KnfxXWHtY
 there was an u-a-l update i think
 by default all apps launch with Xmir but you can modify the .desktop file
 and force native
 wow Thanks I will try one more time, forcing too
 or run the app with —desktop_file_hint=unity8 from the terminal
 [Edit] wow Thanks I will try one more time, forcing it too
 True I will do :)
 mm.. don't remember what you need to change in the .desktop file "X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enable=false" maybe
 ok by default nothing is working for me
 I can only open the config menu
 "Xmir root.. somthing" then the window closes
 not sure if anyone posted this here...
 https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-6/
 @kristijantkalec, They didn't, that I remember
 hmmm looks so similar to UT
 @malditobastardo, check the logs
 something something journalctl
 journalctl —user-unit ubuntu-app-launch-application*
 something...
 the logs are not in ~/.cache/upstart/ anymore
 Right now i keep getting crash report to send from GNOME
 about xmir
 libertine
 thanks
 I will give it a look later
 Just woke up
 yeah me 2 :D  kids running on the ceiling
 i really need to buy a house
 apparments are ewwww
 hmm
 i mean running on the floor, on the app above mine
 Buy them a carpet
 i mean, hmm, i don't think librem 5 is getting a bit off track now.
 @Stereofont, doesn't help
 @popescu_sorin, which apps are Mir native there?
 just maybe lowers the pitch slightly
 nice librem5 is reinventing the phone |-)
 ETOO_MANY_GESTURES
 @NotKit, none, all run with Xmir but, solitaire for ex should run just fine native
 maybe they should just ship WebOS at this point
 @dohbee, you mean LuneOS? :)
 If they implemented turning it upside down for a new set, they could make it even more confusing 🤓
 gtk3, qt5, sdl2 at least should run without xmir/xwayland (if they don't make any x11 calls?)
 or something
 me graphic designer..
 well, gtk3 i guess will need the wayland support in mir, unless the mir backend is still being built (but iirc, the plan was to throw that out)
 sdl2 i'm not sure had the mir backend upstreamed either. but meh
 yeah :D something like that :P
 I guess XMir on desktop employs glamor like Xwayland?
 i don't recall
 @Stereofont, haha, good idea
 @Stereofont, I'm guessing once anbox is ready that won't be a problem anymore :3
 @Fuseteam, Yes, true
 @Fuseteam, :3
 Markus is getting strange crashes with UT telegram. Works for a bit more than an hour then crashes and demands new login details. Nothing seems to help. Any insights here?
 @Stereofont, New login details? Restarts may be necessary, but only on current dev version. Re-authentication means that his .cache folder dies?
 Never heard it
 he should please obtain a logfile in the moment when this happens, not continue to try to re-setup it but to change to logviewer app and post this
[21:03] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Can you give me a hint of where to find the log file please?
 @Flohack, Or an addressing problem for the .cache folder?
 @Stereofont, no what problem can this be, the folder is there during telegram initialization, where should it go
 @Markus Kling, Install the logviewer APp that makes it very simple
 Can past to ubuntu pastebin directly
 @Flohack, Magic 🤡
 lol I dont believe in magic
[21:10] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Logviewer is running, I have the Telegram log file open - what now?
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> I can see a lot of 401 AUTH_KEY_UNREGISTERED errors
 wow
 where are you from?
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Germany
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Is that a problem?
[21:21] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> pastebin does not seem to work
[21:27] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> What else could I try?
 elixirstudio
 Hastebin?
 *searches for hastebin*
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Logviewer says "Pastebin successful" and shows a URL, but that does not work
 Isn't the pastebin url for sharing what your log looks like?
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> clicking the URL leads to "The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist."
 weird
 what's the url?
[21:35] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/
 Uhh doesn't that need an id at the end?
 Aka an alpha numeric string of text or am I mistaken.....
[21:38] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Well, that's what it says (adding "Copied to clipboard" in brackets)
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> and that's what it did - it copied this very URL to the clipboard of the tablet...
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> What am I missing?
 yeah, there should be some characters after the `/p/` denoting which paste it is
[21:42] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> (Photo, 736x1279) https://irc.ubports.com/SOkW8sIM.png
[21:42] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Well, there are not
[21:43] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> The dialog stays the same, no matter if portrait or landscape
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> clicking the URL leads to ..../p/, so there are not just characters missing in the UI
 ok, so a bug in the app i guess
[21:45] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> If I knew where the log file is on the file system, I could try and paste the content manually...
 it's under `~/.cache/upstart/`
 (sorry for slow reply, telegram sometimes doesn't update until i refresh it manually :-/ )
[22:31] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> thx - had already found it - the content is now available on https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DVtHJYcb43/
[22:32] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> registered at 20:01 - lost connection at 20:34
[22:32] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> reregistered at 20:35 - lost session again at 21:16
[22:35] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> hope you can figure it out from the logs
 @popescu_sorin, That was cool to watch! I'd swear it was very near ready but I realize there's still some work to do
 @popescu_sorin, Oh! That's awesome!!! Thank you so much for creating a video! you rock!
 When I'm trying to push my ubports image to my device with rootstock, I get this:
 transfering rootfs tarball ... [done] … preparing system-image on device ... ln: /data/system.img: File exists … [done] … unpacking rootfs tarball to system-image ... [done] … adding android system image to installation ...
 No rebooting device
 any ideas?
 I assume you had Halium installed before
 reference
 Yes
 Well, wipe `/data` and try again
 Are you using rootstock from the docs?