[16:09] <thafreak> Anyone else frustrated by more things getting sucked into systemd
[16:09] <thafreak> but without the same level of support as was previously available
[16:10] <thafreak> So, now there's "netplan"...and it renders a yaml file into appropriate systemd-networkd configs
[16:10] <thafreak> But I can't replicate what I do now with it.
[16:11] <thafreak> so frustrating.
[16:11] <thafreak> So how is everyone else doing? Anyone still hardcore ubuntu fans? :)
[16:23] <dzho> I remain merely a casual fan, with the loyalty split still coming down more on the side of Debian, but Debian still doesn't pay anyone I know so ...
[16:27] <thafreak> It's only a matter of time until debian switches to systemd-networkd
[16:27] <thafreak> and systemd-resolvd
[16:28] <thafreak> If it all just worked as I expected, and didn't keep having ridiculous security vulnerabilities, I wouldn't really care TBH
[16:29] <thafreak> but everytime something isn't working how I expect it to, i look and lo and behold, systemd has now taken over that too
[16:30] <dzho> whatever the problems with systemd, I have read enough about it to know that they are almost certainly not due in any part to any deficiency in the design of systemd, or the way in which it has been introduced, or implemented by the original developers.  All problems stem from incomplete understanding and implementation by the downstream projects and end users.
[16:30] <dzho> if it doesn't do something you want it to do, or does more than you want it to do, you should adjust your expectations.
[16:30] <dzho> Procrustes-Procrusty-face
[16:35] <thafreak> lol
[16:36] <thafreak> well, this current situation i'm at a stand still. I can't get a virt host set up because I can't set up a network bridge :/
[16:37] <thafreak> i can create one with netplan and systemd-network, but it doesn't get brought up, because I don't assign it an IP
[16:37] <thafreak> and libvirt can't bring it up, because ifup doesn't exist anymore
[16:38] <thafreak> so..
[16:38] <thafreak> bleh
[21:11] <dzho> well said.
[21:11] <dzho> bleh
[22:23] <Unit193> 'nplan' was Ubuntu's wonderful idea, I avoided that one too.
[22:25] <Unit193> I was never a hardcore "Ubuntu" fan, but the flavors really are community run, and sometimes the people are pretty good.  I find it easier to contribute to Ubuntu than Debian, but I have a backup plan when Ubuntu has finally done enough to push me away from it entirely.