[00:00] <TJ-> IEC958 won't work, that's SPDIF stuff
[00:00] <Frankcab> switched to analog stereo output
[00:00] <Frankcab> still no speakers
[00:00] <Frankcab> hold the phone
[00:01] <Frankcab> when I change it, as soon as I switch to another window, it goes back to analog stereo duplex
[00:01] <TJ-> Frankcab: OK, I think this may be a bug in the drivers. There's a concept called pin-control, where the audio chip has to be configured to route audio correctly. It used to be common problem but last few years has mostly been resolved. I'm thinking your PC may be affected. What make/model is the PC?
[00:01] <Frankcab> ok, it changes when I remove the headphones
[00:01] <Frankcab> tried the other settings with headphones removed = still no sound
[00:02] <TJ-> Frankcab: ahhhh... of course, with headphones in it disables the speakers too, usually
[00:02] <TJ-> Frankcab: does the Output tab still show "speakers (unavailable)" ?
[00:02] <Frankcab> yes
[00:04] <TJ-> now with no headphones in that should not be the case, so there's definitely a bug there. In a terminal run "alsamixer", make sure you've got the built-in analogue" device selected, then see if there is any mixer control for headphone detection. These vary by chipset so I can't be sure what you might see
[00:05] <Frankcab> No, when I plug in the headphones it shows headphones
[00:06] <TJ-> Frankcab: and pavucontrol still shows speakers unavailable without headphones in ?
[00:06] <Frankcab> Its still there, but it doesn't switch from headphones when I unplug headphones
[00:07] <Frankcab> I can switch to it manually
[00:07] <TJ-> Frankcab: what does "dmesg | grep DMI" show?
[00:07] <Frankcab> the little bar below that shows the sound level shows the sound level even with speakers unavailable selected
[00:08] <Frankcab> there's a lot of info, how can I show it to you?
[00:08] <TJ-> you should only see one line
[00:08] <TJ-> Frankcab: how about "dmesg | pastebinit"
[00:08] <Frankcab> 6 entries...two lines each
[00:09] <Frankcab> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g6FB2vycYR/
[00:11] <TJ-> Frankcab: line 750 onwards is the interesting bit, it shows how the sound device is configuring
[00:11] <Frankcab> ok
[00:13] <TJ-> The DMI line I was after is 59 "DMI: Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion 15 Notebook PC /2293, BIOS F.36 02/02/2015"
[00:15] <Frankcab> OK, but what does that tell you?
[00:16] <TJ-> It lets me search for the specific model, and therefore chipset, to locate any other reports or bugs
[00:17] <Frankcab> ok
[00:20] <TJ-> Frankcab: interesting; this can affect Windows too, and could be a hardware issue. If it is, the HP recommended workaround is: Shutdown PC, remove Battery, press and hold the power button for 30 seconds, reinsert battery, restart, test.
[00:20] <Frankcab> I have done that multiple times, but I can try it again
[00:21] <Frankcab> I will return
[00:21] <TJ-> Frankcab: OK if that didn't solve it don't try again, but it points to another possibilty
[00:25] <frankcab> I followed those instructions - still no sound from spakers
[00:26] <TJ-> frankcab: OK, as you'd already tried it I didn't think we'd be in luck. Let's try something seeminly silly. Suspend the laptop (sleep), give it a few seconds, then wake it up and check in pavucontrol + test speakers
[00:27] <TJ-> frankcab: I'm suspecting a firmware ACPI issue and sometimes sleep/resume will kick it
[00:27] <frankcab> ok
[00:33] <monokrome> yooo - has anyone found a solution to the issue w/ Ubuntu 17 and OpenVPN not leaking DNS?
[00:33] <monokrome> er with it leaking DNS, I mean
[00:35] <Frankcab> what is the command for the sound manager?
[00:37] <Frankcab> well, anyway, speakers still not working
[00:37] <TJ-> pavucontrol
[00:38] <TJ-> Frankcab: I can't find any indications of linux bugs affecting that audio device so far
[00:38] <Frankcab> ok
[00:41] <tomreyn> monokrome: there is not "Ubuntu 17", there was 17.04 and there is 17.10
[00:42] <tomreyn> monokrome: is the issue you're discussing documjented somewhere?
[00:44] <TJ-> Frankcab: one last test before we have to call it a night. disable pulseaudio and do another speaker test: "systemctl --user mask pulseaudio.socket"  then "puluseaudio --kill" then "speaker-test -D front -l 2 -c 2 -t wav"
[00:45] <Frankcab> Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[00:47] <TJ-> Frankcab: drat, still that. OK, one long-shot which sometimes solves these weird issues but I'm not sure will for you, but is worth trying: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[00:55] <frankcab> No change
[01:04] <TJ-> frankcab: drat! Well at least we now know it's likely a firmware issue in the PC. I've seen many reports similar to yours, but no decent solutions, especially for Linux.
[01:04] <frankcab> thanks for trying
[01:05] <TJ-> The HDMI output being the default wasn't helping to begin with either, that was a misleading trail
[01:05] <frankcab> This is, however, why I've always stayed away from Linux and Ubuntu.  I've always said it's an operating system for people who want to tinker.
[01:05] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[01:05] <CountryfiedLinux> I'm thinking about buying this to install Ubuntu on. https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Stream-14-Jet-Black-Laptop-Windows-10-Home-Office-365-Personal-1-year-included-Intel-Celeron-N3060-Processor-4GB-RAM-32GB-eMMC-Storage/197424692
[01:05] <nacc> frankcab: it's not really Linux's fault that firmware is proprietary :)
[01:05] <CountryfiedLinux> Is this thing completely compatible?
[01:06] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: you should check the certification page(s0
[01:06] <frankcab> I agree
[01:06] <TJ-> frankcab: it's not that; the problem is the manufacturers only target Windows and do Windows specific workarounds that only the Windows drivers implement, and don't publish that information
[01:06] <frankcab> but it's the way the world is.
[01:06] <nacc> frankcab: well, it's a choice you make buy buying from specific vendors
[01:06] <nacc> frankcab: there are many vendors that do support linux and ensure their hardware does
[01:06] <frankcab> Understood, but that means it's easier, in the current economy and system, to work with Windows
[01:07] <nacc> frankcab: i don't think anyone claimed otherwise; i find windows impossible to use, though. So not easier for me.
[01:07] <frankcab> What Ubuntu supporting vendor makes a laptop with the features I want - where can I get a list?
[01:07] <TJ-> frankcab: if it's any consolation, I'm sure if I sat down with that PC I could fix it, but it's very difficult remotely to use intuition  - it's like not being able to read body lanfuage
[01:07] <nacc> frankcab: check the hardware certification pages
[01:07] <frankcab> TJ, I know that.  You have tried...I appreciate it.
[01:07] <nacc> frankcab: i don't know what your requirements are, etc.
[01:08] <CountryfiedLinux> nacc, The HP Stream 11 is on there but not the 14.
[01:08] <frankcab> 8th gen processor, SSD, Backlit keyboard, 15.6 full HD, Bluetooth, Wireless AC
[01:09] <nacc> frankcab: bluetooth is always hit or miss with onboard controllers (ime)
[01:09] <nacc> frankcab: but all the others should be feasible
[01:10] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: there seems to be some google hits for people installing it on the 14
[01:10] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: but i have no real idea
[01:10] <frankcab> This is the laptop I will buy when I get the refund for the other one:  Acer Aspire E 15, 15.6" Full HD, 8th Gen Intel Core i5-8250U, GeForce MX150, 8GB RAM Memory, 256GB SSD, E5-576G-5762
[01:10] <CountryfiedLinux> ok nacc thanks
[01:11] <frankcab> 599 on amazon
[01:11] <nacc> CountryfiedLinux: there might be a hw cert channel, or a question to ask
[01:11] <frankcab> where is this compatible list located?
[01:11] <TJ-> !mainline | frankcab: it could be worth trying the latest mainline kernel in case it helps.
[01:11] <pos> frankcab, consumer-grade plastic fantasic
[01:11] <pos> pretty decent though
[01:11] <nacc> frankcab: dunno much about that specific vendor, but nvidia can be problematic for some
[01:11] <TJ-> frankcab: if you want to try that I have a shell script to automate the download and install at http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/wget_kernel_mainline.sh
[01:11] <frankcab> Its perfect for me
[01:12] <frankcab> I think I will give up on this...just listen through the headphones
[01:12] <pos> frankcab, don't say that until you've tried a dell xps or thinkpad (not ideapad)
[01:12] <nacc> frankcab: keep in mind, no one is forcing you to use ubuntu :)
[01:12] <frankcab> I didn't say they were
[01:12] <frankcab> I tried it because I have read now it's easy, it works well, etc.
[01:13] <frankcab> It's still like it was 20+ years ago - right back to terminal commands
[01:13] <nacc> frankcab: what didn't work for you? bluetooth headphones?
[01:13] <frankcab> on board speakers
[01:13] <frankcab> they work when booting from USB stick, but not when boot from install on computer.  If I right click in a certain spot on the screen, the speakers work.
[01:14] <nacc> frankcab: seems more surprising those didn't work, you could file a bug
[01:14] <frankcab> I did
[01:14] <TJ-> frankcab: oooo just found someone else with your exact model. give me chance to read up on it
[01:14] <nacc> frankcab: link?
[01:14] <frankcab> I have no idea how to find the link
[01:14] <nacc> frankcab: you filed a bug and don't know where the link is?
[01:14] <nacc> frankcab: how did you file the bug?
[01:14] <frankcab> correct
[01:15] <TJ-> frankcab: that's interesting; I didn't know that. If the installer worked but installed doesn't the biggest difference is the kernel versions. I think the installer is on kernel 4.4 but your install is upgraded to 4.13
[01:15] <nacc> TJ-: yep, could also test by booting the installer to the hwe kernel
[01:15] <nacc> it's an option in the first menu
[01:16] <frankcab> filed on launchpad
[01:16] <nacc> and/or installing the base kernel from the installed system
[01:16] <nacc> frankcab: by hand?
[01:16] <frankcab> No, there was some wizard like thing
[01:16] <nacc> ah, apport
[01:16] <frankcab> I think I launched it from terminal
[01:17] <nacc> oh ubuntu-bug ?
[01:17] <frankcab> right
[01:17] <TJ-> frankcab: does the PC still have the 4.4 kernel as a boot option? if so, have you tried booting from it? "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[01:17] <nacc> do you remember what you filed it again (ubuntu-bug ... ) ?
[01:17] <frankcab> I have no idea what kernel it boots
[01:17] <frankcab> I don't see options...it just boots when I turn it on
[01:17] <frankcab> I used ubuntu-bug, I remember that
[01:18] <TJ-> frankcab: it's booted 4.13 now, but if, as the system starts you tap Escape repeatedly, you'll get the GRUB boot menu. There you choose Advanced sub-menu, then the first of the linux 4.4.x entries
[01:18] <frankcab> ok
[01:18] <frankcab> I will now try that
[01:18] <TJ-> frankcab: if that works we know there's a regression and can work on it
[01:18] <frankcab> ok
[01:20] <Frank_> This grub is open, but what do I enter there to boot with a different kernel?
[01:22] <Frank_> never mind
[01:22] <Frank_> I have the lowest number is 4.10.0 - 28 generic recovery mode
[01:22] <Frank_> is that the one I should boot?
[01:24] <TJ-> Frank_: no sign of a 4.4 ?
[01:24] <Frank_> no
[01:24] <TJ-> Frank_: in which case go for the lowest number, but the default, not recovery
[01:24] <Frank_> 4.10 recovery mode is the lowest number
[01:24] <Frank_> ok
[01:25] <TJ-> recovery is a special mode, you want the normal mode which is usually listed before recovery
[01:25] <Frank_> yes it is booting now
[01:25] <TJ-> Frank_: nacc I've just been looking at the changes to the realtek sound driver between v4.4..v4.13 .. 113 commits
[01:26] <Frank_> ok
[01:26] <Frank_> now it isn't booting
[01:27] <TJ-> Frank_: what are you seeing? you can tap the Escape key to get rid of the splash screen to reveal messages usually
[01:27] <Frank_> black screen
[01:28] <TJ-> Frank_: Hmm, OK, let's not worry. reboot it into the normal kernel
[01:28] <Frank_> I did
[01:29] <TJ-> Frank_: best we just re-install the 4.4 kernel which we know has worked
[01:29] <Frank_> that's it for now, I have work to do
[01:29] <Frank_> but I appreciate your help
[01:29] <TJ-> Frank_: next time you come in, ask how to reinstall the 4.4 kernel for 16.04 (it's something like "sudo apt install linux-image-generic" I think :)
[01:29] <Frank_> ok
[01:30] <Frank_> thanks
[01:30] <TJ-> Frank_: then you can test it the way you just tried with 4.10... and it ought to boot :D
[01:30] <Frank_> right
[01:33] <TJ-> That's got to be the most frustrating bug I've ever seen!!
[01:34] <TJ-> I'm still puzzled by how the speakers work if he right-clicks and holds the mouse button above the speaker icon in the taskbar!
[01:34] <ExploitedKernel> Are there any ports that should be blocked, from hackers and etc, on linux? I.E Ubuntu, I know some ports like SMB 445 on Windows and etc should be blocked. Is there anything on Ubuntu that should be blocked So no one can gain access to the computer through a network?
[01:35] <ExploitedKernel> Or that wouldn't be already defaulted closed by the OS
[01:36] <TJ-> ExploitedKernel: generally there's nothing listening unless you install a service, we have a factoid about it but I can't find it !
[01:37] <ExploitedKernel> So basically, as long as ur not installed unknown services and etc, I should be fine. because Linux I know is kind of less of a risk than windows malware
[01:37] <ExploitedKernel> but for sure there is still some
[01:38] <playerone> ello
[01:38] <playerone> anyone here?
[01:41] <dman777> switching from gentoo.... If i want a minimal installation... no desktop enviroment but I do want x11... do i use the ubuntu server?
[01:42] <ycyclist> Why do I not see aclocal in Ubuntu 16?
[01:48] <Bashing-om> !minimal | dman777
[01:49] <TJ-> ycyclist: what do you mean? it's in automake
[01:50] <MWM> I am trying to set up inotifywait to run a script every time I add a file to a directory but Im confused
[01:50] <MWM> inotifywait [-hcmrq] [-e <event> ] [-t <seconds> ] [--format <fmt> ] [--timefmt <fmt> ] <file> [ ... ]  <-- is <file> the script I want to run or the directory I want to monitor?
[01:52] <TJ-> MWM: the object it is monitoring
[01:54] <MWM> Fair enough.  Then where do I specify what action to take when the event triggers? (i.e running a script when a file is added to the monitored directory)
[01:55] <jinzhan> hello
[01:57] <TJ-> MWM: you don't, not in the way you're thinking. it simply reports the action and exits, unless you use "-m" monitor mode in which case it keeps running
[02:00] <TJ-> MWM: you'd do something like this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BT7qBZxB3Q/
[02:01] <MWM> That must be why all the examples I could find included it in a script.  A script to run a scriipt.  Genius :D
[02:03] <TJ-> MWM: you might find the 'iwatch' tool useful
[02:04] <TJ-> !info inoticoming | MWM also this might be useful
[02:04] <MWM> definately going to check iwatch.  thank you
[02:05] <MWM> now when I read that script you pasted, my understandin is that I would "myfunc()"  is a variable and the curly braces are defining that variable?
[02:06] <MWM> shit he left
[02:07] <MWM> Thanks again then guys :D
[02:37] <dman777> is the minimal cd installation supposed to be here  https://www.ubuntu.com/download?
[02:37] <dman777> im not finding it
[02:44] <frostschutz> dman777, network installer is under alternative downloads, and that has a mini.iso somewhere. but if you already have linux / a bootloader, you can also grab the netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/{linux,initrd}, it does not get any more minimal than that
[02:50] <dman777> frostschutz: thanks
[02:50] <Bashing-om> dman777: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems .
[02:52] <frostschutz> dman777, debootstrap would be another alternative. especially if you want the install itself to be minimal, not the installer-medium
[02:54] <dman777> is xenial the latest lts?
[02:55] <The_Elder> sup
[02:56] <Bashing-om> dman777: Yes, 16.04 . next up as a LTS is 18.04 .
[02:56] <dman777> when does 18.04 get released?
[02:57] <bazhang> 4/18 dman777
[02:58] <dman777> kk...thanks
[02:58] <bazhang> discussion in #ubuntu+1
[02:58] <bazhang> welcome
[02:58] <Bashing-om> dman777: releasess .. year/month // as in xenial 16.04 was released in 2016 in the month of April (04) .. and 18.04 wil be released in April of 2018 .
[03:20] <tpw_rules> hey. i'm getting awful speed from ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntiu-ports xenial-updates/main armhf and i can't figure out wh
[03:20] <tpw_rules> y
[03:20] <ciata> how do i setup reverse dns?
[03:23] <fullstack> you setup a regular dns, then turn it around
[03:24] <fullstack> j/k. hey what's the latest ubuntu 16.04 kernel?
[03:24] <tpw_rules> 4.14 i think
[03:24] <ciata> i'm using 16.04
[03:25] <fullstack> I think you want dnsmasq ? what are you trying to accomplish with reverse dns? you mean for a website or caching local requests?
[03:31] <ciata> fullstack just for my irc hostname
[03:31] <ciata> i might launch a website too
[03:31] <kenrin> What dns server are you running
[03:32] <ciata> idk ima newbie
[03:32] <Jonii> I have a problem in the latest Ubuntu version. Games I play always go to wrong monitor after I minimize them
[03:32] <Jonii> Have to move them back after each time I open the window again
[03:32] <kenrin> Well pick a dns server you want to use,  then google "PTR record *Yourdnssoftware*
[03:33] <ciata> ty
[03:33] <kenrin> Bind is a good choice
[03:33] <ciata> bind is a dns server?
[03:33] <kenrin> Yeah,  i think ubuntu calls it bind9 now
[03:33] <ciata> k thanks
[03:36] <mead> how can I configure ubuntu to monitor the line / mic in and have the audio sent out of the speakers?
[03:36] <kenrin> ciata: I guess I should mention that reverse DNS follows the IP address,  so if you don't own the IP(like you are renting a VPS) They'll have to set it up on their end
[03:52] <tunasalad> опоссум весьма осторожен.
[03:53] <nacc> !ru | tunasalad
[03:53] <tunasalad> живёт на деревьях, падла!
[03:53] <tunasalad> I most certainly will.
[03:54] <tunasalad> do possums live on them trees?
[03:56] <tunasalad> I mean do they really; we got none
[03:56] <nacc> tunasalad: not ontopic for this channel
[03:57] <tunasalad> nacc: what am I supposed to do, ask you how to apt-update?
[03:57] <nacc> tunasalad: this is the support channel. If you don't have a support topic, there is no need to ask anything
[03:57] <nacc> tunasalad: perhaps you want #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:58] <tunasalad> that suits me fine, thank you.
[03:58] <EricBB> I have a ubuntu16.04/win7 dual boot, and was in windows when my screen went black (backlight on) and after rebooting the computer shows a list of boot options but stopped letting me choose (goes immediately to ubuntu) shows a purple screen, then hangs on a black screen. Can anyone give me any ideas of what that would be and what to do
[03:59] <tunasalad> same with a reboot?
[04:00] <tunasalad> only when booting windows?
[04:01] <EricBB> also odly when booting if I press f1 to load the bios it flashes the bios for a second then goes black
[04:01] <EricBB> oddly*
[04:02] <tunasalad> is that a recently new laptop?
[04:02] <tunasalad> I guess something's fucked up your uefi
[04:02] <EricBB> tunasalad: asking me? no it is somewhat older
[04:02] <tunasalad> which shouldn't be an issue
[04:02] <tunasalad> yes, you
[04:03] <tunasalad> so you can't get into bios either
[04:03] <EricBB> no
[04:03] <tunasalad> guarantee still on?
[04:03] <tunasalad> remove the hdd/sdd
[04:04] <tunasalad> maybe better luck with #laptop/#notebook
[04:04] <EricBB> ok
[04:04] <tunasalad> they know all the codes. but I'd go the warranty way
[04:05] <tunasalad> if you can't even boot into bios, it's usually bad news.
[04:05] <el> tunasalad: could you not
[04:05] <EricBB> i can get to a grub screen that stays up
[04:06] <tunasalad> is there an OS behind it?
[04:06] <tunasalad> grub is a bootloader
[04:07] <EricBB> its prior to loading the os by pressing e
[04:07] <tunasalad> which will boot whatever it's pointed to
[04:07] <tunasalad> it's post-bios, anyway
[04:07] <tunasalad> if you can't enter bios, it's a warranty case
[04:09] <tunasalad> find your laptop designation, find our latest bios, download it into your flash drive, flash it through your bious
[04:09] <tunasalad> *bios
[04:09] <tunasalad> *out
[04:09] <tunasalad> don't be daft
[04:10] <tunasalad> then copy-paste the loading mumbo-jombo into #linux
[04:10] <Mongrel_Shark> install AMDGPU-PRO
[04:10] <tunasalad> which linux was that again
[04:11] <tunasalad> go ahead; what have you got to lose
[04:11] <tunasalad> unless there's $2mln n bitcoins
[04:14] <tunasalad> Женщина арендовала жилье за секс и извинилась перед владельцем за отказ
[04:15] <tunasalad> fuck me sideways
[04:17] <el> tunasalad: please mind your language in here
[05:08] <mead> how can I configure ubuntu audio coming in an the the line / mic in to be sent out the speakers the speakers?
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> !sound | mead tryed these steps?
[05:13] <mead> ubottu: I don't see an option in the volume applet that will do it.  where are these "hardware" settings?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> mead: you could try pavucontrol or alsamixer
[05:14] <ciata> i was following an old pptp tutorial for 12 but im on 16.04. i can't get the pptp vpn to work, and i think it's because the instructions are outdated. it told me to edit /etc/rc.local but the file didn't exist.
[05:15] <ciata> any help would be greatly appreciated
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> !vpn | ciata can this help?
[05:18] <mead> I've scoured every setting in pavucontrol, no luck. I'll investigate alsamixer
[05:22] <mead> alsamixer... hitting F1 for help is not helpful
[05:26] <mead> not sure how alsamixer could be helpful at this point
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> mead: wich ubuntu version is this?
[05:29] <mead> xubuntu 16.04.04.
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> mead: and you dont have audio settings of any kind or sound in control center?
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> mead: perhaps also check if you can add mixer to your panel?
[05:40] <mead> lotuspsychje:  control center? where do I find that?
[05:44] <mead> lotuspsychje: I don't see any thing about adding a mixer in pulse volume control
[05:50] <clarence> while downloading draftsight permission denied
[05:51] <clarence> how to fix this problem while downloading draftsight permission denied
[05:54] <Curi0> How can I install vala-panel on Ubuntu 16.04
[05:55] <Curi0> its only available in 17.10 and 18.04 beta
[05:55] <clarence> how to fix this  while downloading draftsight permission denied
[05:56] <clarence> how to fix this  while downloading draftsight permission denied
[06:05] <mead> I give up,  gonna figure it out tomarrow
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> mead: there is also #xubuntu if you want
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> Curi0: is that panel a gnome extension?
[06:13] <Curi0> lotuspsychje, no
[06:13] <Curi0> it doesn't require a de
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> Curi0: well i guess its added with a ppa's so perhaps you might wanna ask the maintainer?
[06:15] <Curi0> lotuspsychje, i dont think theres a ppa for it
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> Curi0: http://www.webupd8.org/2017/02/alternative-global-menu-for-mate-and.html
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> Curi0: just keep in mind we dont reccomend adding external ppa's
[06:17] <shanky> HI
[06:18] <shanky> when i am trying to boot from pendrive its booting into old linux installed :(
[06:18] <shanky> so i went  to window and deleted the linux volume
[06:19] <shanky> and now when trying to boot from live ubuntu pendrive its going to grub :(
[06:19] <shanky> any help is appreciated
[06:25] <Curi0> lotuspsychje, thats only appmenu not vala-panel
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> Curi0: https://launchpad.net/~rilian-la-te/+archive/ubuntu/vala-panel
[06:27] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> !usb | shanky
[06:27] <Curi0> lotuspsychje, thats from 2015 and doesn't have packages for 16.04
[06:28] <CountryfiedLinux> I think this new HP Stream 14 has a Broadcom wifi chip? It doesn't show wireless networks. Will this be a problem?
[06:28] <Crusher> where would I get the X11 dev kit from?
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> Curi0: as i said, we dont reccomend ppa's here mate so neither support
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> Crusher: you can search packages with apt-cache search keyword-here
[06:29] <Crusher> thank you!
[06:32] <shanky> ubottu: but when i have created the live pendrive using other linux system but when booting its not loading live cd why?
[06:34] <shanky> ubottu: lol
[06:47] <crackhead> hi all was hoping someone can suggest the best format to partition a drive i intend to use only for storage i want be able to access it from windows or from linux and some files on it will be over 4 gigis
[06:48] <crackhead> 1TB
[06:48] <ChiLLabiS> Hi! Do i need a program for let's say using HDMI from the pc to tv?
[06:49] <crackhead> no
[06:49] <ChiLLabiS> Or a specific driver installed?
[06:49] <ChiLLabiS> ok
[06:49] <ChiLLabiS> OOTB?
[06:49] <crackhead> doubt it as long as pc laptop is visible in my experience no
[06:49] <ChiLLabiS> Okay
[06:50] <crackhead> head to settings and make sure the monitor you want to use is active though
[06:50] <ChiLLabiS> crackhead, i got NTFS on my storage driver. I'm on Ubuntu right now
[06:51] <ChiLLabiS> Windows doesn't like ext1-4 filesystems i think
[06:51] <crackhead> is it simple or dynamic extended or logical please
[06:52] <ChiLLabiS> someone else gets to answer that. i Don't know
[06:52] <crackhead> dam
[06:53] <crackhead> can anyone inform of the teminal commands to find out that info please
[06:53] <crackhead> Linux lords pls help
[06:53] <yang2> Hello is there an official page with listed ubuntu consultants per region/country?
[06:55] <shanky> when booting from live pendrive its booting to old linux
[06:55] <foo357> Hello, I'm wondering if there exists a good open-source, cross-platform (Windows and Linux) chat/communication system. We have a mixed environment with linux and windows client-computers. It would be nice to have some chat program for sending snippets of text, screenshots, and maybe some smaller files between persons.
[06:55] <shanky> when booting from live pendrive its booting to old linux
[06:57] <vlt> Nutzo: There’s also exfat.
[06:57] <Triffid_Hunter> foo357: how about irc? or mattermost?
[06:59] <foo357> Triffid_Hunter: Spontaneously I would think that irc is a bit too technical for the average user, and how well is the support for sending images and files? Without knowing all too much, I would guess images/files are a bit complicated in irc?
[07:00] <Triffid_Hunter> foo357: so go with mattermost.. it's an open source slack clone
[07:01] <Triffid_Hunter> foo357: irc does have file transfer but it's a bit clunky
[07:02] <foo357> Triffid_Hunter: I will check out Mattermost, I have no previous knowledge about it. (well I don't know much about chat systems/programs in general)
[07:02] <foo357> Triffid_Hunter: thanks for the suggestions, any other alternatives?
[07:03] <CountryfiedLinux> foo357, appear.in
[07:04] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I find out what wireless card I have?
[07:04] <Triffid_Hunter> lsusb or lspci should tell
[07:05] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks Triffid_Hunter
[07:05] <CountryfiedLinux> Realtec Semiconductor Corp.
[07:05] <CountryfiedLinux> Now what?
[07:06] <f11f12> AppArmor blocks access to all files which are not in my home dir. Why? How can I change this?
[07:06] <CountryfiedLinux> realtek rts5229
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> yang2: we have channels per language, wich language are you looking for?
[07:13] <b3h3m0th> Which is the latest version of Ubuntu that runs SystemV init and not systemd or upstart?
[07:15] <yang2> lotuspsychje, I know about IRC language channels, so there is no official consultants page with listings?
[07:16] <xi4okv> hi
[07:16] <xi4okv> clear
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> !loco | yang2 can this help
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | b3h3m0th
[07:19] <foo357> Triffid_Hunter: Do you know of Rocket Chat? It seems pretty good, comparable to Mattermost.
[07:21] <CountryfiedLinux> I'll just return this laptop later.
[07:27] <b3h3m0th> lotuspsychje: So 14.10is the latest version of Ubuntu with the /etc/inittab file?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> b3h3m0th: was the last yes
[07:29] <ducasse> it used upstart, though
[07:29] <gotes> I run 17.10. I cannot adjust volume on either the keyboard or headset. Both worked well on Mint. Any suggestions?
[07:32] <yang2> lotuspsychje ok that loco page is good, but its not exactly ubuntu consultants page, thank you
[07:46] <krad> hello.  i'm trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 17.10. i'm running do-release-upgrade but it's telling me no new release found.. i do lsb_release -a  .. it says 16.04.  what could be the issue?
[07:46] <krad> No LSB modules are available.
[07:47] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | krad
[07:48] <ducasse> krad: you also need to set prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[07:53] <yang2> sp
[08:33] <rr89> hi
[08:33] <rr89> my friends, I installed KDE and later remove it, but now I have the Kubuntu splash screen and I would like to go back to Ubuntu splash screen.
[08:38] <emma> hi all, I'm looking for some help with a drive that's locked to read after i mapped it in win10
[08:39] <Triffid_Hunter> Emma: I had a USB that got nuked by windows too, ended up tossing it and buying a new one
[08:40] <emma> !!!!
[08:40] <emma> :( I've over 800 GB on there
[08:41] <ubuntu122> aa
[08:41] <ubuntu122> hi
[08:42] <emma> @Triffid_Hunter,  I've bought another HD to install, although I need a cable & some clips to fit it in my box... was hoping I could save this one without having to copy all from it and format it though
[08:43] <emma> is there a way I can de-map the drive from win10 and allow it to be written to in ubuntu?
[08:43] <Triffid_Hunter> Emma: oh a spinning rust disk? probably windows just did something weird to the FS and you need to scandisk from windows or something
[08:44] <emma> haha yeah, OS's are on there own SSD's
[08:45] <emma> @Triffid_Hunter, windows says the drive is ok, I can read & write to it from there
[08:45] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: no idea then, what does dmesg say in linux about it?
[08:46] <emma> not sure logged into windows atm
[08:47] <emma> I've just given access to it for all in windows
[08:48] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, in linux it shows owner as root
[08:48] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, although as root I still can't write to it
[08:48] <Triffid_Hunter> Emma: if you can't write as root, the FS driver has decided that the disk is in an unclean or unknown state
[08:48] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, or delete
[08:49] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, I'm going to have to sacrifice it to the sudo gods eh? :)
[08:50] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: yeah and perhaps learn a valuable lesson about letting windows anywhere near anything that's important to you :P
[08:50] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, bugger, it's going to take forever to copy everything from it
[08:51] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, yep lesson learned the hard way... no ideas how to undo?
[08:51] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: well if you're very lucky, there'll be some clues in dmesg
[08:51] <ducasse> emma: maybe it just gets mounted in read-only mode because it's unclean?
[08:52] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: but it's entirely possible that some weird windows internal thing that only a few microsoft employees understand has happened
[08:52] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, thankx for your help... unclean?
[08:53] <akik> emma: windows has that fast boot setting that does that for the os drive
[08:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Emma: if you unplug the disk without telling windows to unmount it, the fs will be unclean
[08:53] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, iirc dmesg showed there was an issue mounting
[08:53] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: and the linux driver will refuse to write to it
[08:53] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: yeah we're gonna need the specific message
[08:54] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, ah, never seen that before... we had a power cut the other day, could that be related?
[08:55] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: sure, the fix is to scandisk in windows then "safely remove" and hope for the best. if it still won't work, it's time to copy and reformat
[08:55] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, I've not removed the drive, thank goodness it was the only one I mapped
[08:55] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, thanks I'll give it a try
[08:56] <emma> Triffid_Hunter, how do I safely remove an internal drive, it's not a USB stick?
[08:56] <DiecastMessiah> it may have been the power loss.. if the drive was doing something at that time
[08:59] <emma> DiecastMessiah, thanks... bonus is I can read from it I guess, count my blessings
[09:00] <emma> just read that write caching can lose / corrupt data in a power loss
[09:00] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: in windows? no idea, not sure it has that option
[09:00] <Triffid_Hunter> DiecastMessiah: simply being mounted is enough, there's a flag in the header that's set when the FS is mounted and cleared when it's safely unmounted
[09:00] <Triffid_Hunter> emma: I suppose full shutdown should do it
[09:00] <akik> emma: what's thr mounting error message?
[09:01] <emma> akik, thr?
[09:01] <akik> emma: the
[09:02] <emma> akik, :) no error message, just read only, root owner, but even root can't write
[09:02] <emma> akik, or no error message I've seen
[09:03] <akik> 10:53 < emma> Triffid_Hunter, iirc dmesg showed there was an issue mounting
[09:03] <mjayk> dmesg show anything?
[09:03] <emma> mjayk, think it showed a mount error, in win10 atm
[09:04] <akik> emma: but the windows installation is not on that disk?
[09:05] <emma> akik, no, it's a storage drive
[09:05] <akik> emma: ok maybe it's not about fast startup then
[09:05] <emma> ah windows found errors on drive... do I let it restart?
[09:06] <mjayk> I dont think that matters if fast boot is enabled on win 10 it can affect any disk that is mounted in windows afaik
[09:06] <emma> akik, not sure how do I check fast startup?
[09:06] <mjayk> Control panel
[09:06] <mjayk> power options
[09:06] <mjayk> turn off fast startup
[09:06] <akik> emma: here's a guide https://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pros-and-cons-of-windows-10s-fast-startup-mode/
[09:07] <emma> mjayk, akik thanks for your time & help with this
[09:07] <mjayk> yw
[09:10] <emma> mjayk, akik I only see power plans?
[09:10] <mjayk> in power options you should see something like "what the power buttons do"
[09:11] <mjayk> then click change what settings are currently avalible
[09:11] <akik> maybe microsoft changed the ui
[09:11] <emma> mjayk, got it thanks
[09:12] <emma> mjayk, akik reboot coming, thanks again for your time and insights
[09:30] <metRo_> Hi all
[09:31] <metRo_> on my pc (Ubuntu 14, 32Bits) after open firefox it got to long to complete tasks like a c++ project compilation
[09:40] <AndChat146900> How can i completely wipe off everything (filesystem, mbr, data, every possible thing) on a hard drive?
[09:41] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: you want secure wipe? there's some program that'll basically do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/disk 7 times
[09:41] <AndChat146900> No I dont want secure
[09:41] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: if you want something faster, just cat /dev/zero > /dev/disk once
[09:42] <AndChat146900> I just want a fast way to destroy everything on a hard drive for a new OS installation
[09:42] <AndChat146900> How long will it take?
[09:42] <AndChat146900> 1 TB hdd 5400rpm
[09:42] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: most installers should have an option to nuke the disk and start from scratch, way faster than zeroing the whole thing
[09:42] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: few hours maybe
[09:43] <AndChat146900> Can't I dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4M
[09:43] <AndChat146900> this is way faster but what's its con?
[09:43] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: if you want progress, use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=8M and run while sleep 5; do killall -USR1 dd; done in another terminal
[09:43] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: what makes you think dd would be any faster than cat? the bottleneck is the disk write speed
[09:44] <AndChat146900> I dont really know sorry
[09:44] <AndChat146900> cat should be faster?
[09:44] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: no, both should be same speed because disk write speed is the bottleneck
[09:44] <mjayk> neither cat nor dd should be the limit in this process
[09:44] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: but it's probably unnecessary
[09:45] <AndChat146900> One last question when writing zeroes using dd
[09:45] <AndChat146900> Specifying bs speeds things at the expense of?
[09:45] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: I find just nuking the MBR/partition table is quite sufficient if some installer is choking on a gpt table or so, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=512 count=1
[09:45] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: bs is block size, that's how big a chunk dd writes in one go
[09:45] <AndChat146900> 512 and 8M whats the diff
[09:45] <AndChat146900> Is 512 better?
[09:46] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: used to be important for tape drives and these days it's useful for aligning to erase block size on USB disks but shouldn't have much effect on spinning rust
[09:46] <EriC^^> AndChat146900: 512 if you're copying something the smaller the less errors propogate files
[09:46] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: with 512, dd has to wake up more often and the disk cache may not be used as effectively so it might run a little slower
[09:46] <DiecastMessiah> sorry newboe here but why not just use gparted or the linux installer to remove the patitions .. make the new ones and format
[09:46] <AndChat146900> I see, thanks
[09:46] <Triffid_Hunter> DiecastMessiah: that's what I keep saying but he really wants to zero his disk apparently
[09:47] <DiecastMessiah> kk
[09:47] <EriC^^> AndChat146900: you dont need to rewrite the whole disk unless you're trying to remove the data so it cant be recovered somehow
[09:47] <Triffid_Hunter> EriC^^: yeah and in that case a simple zero won't defeat many forensic tools
[09:47] <AndChat146900> It's kind of a compulsive obsession thing
[09:47] <AndChat146900> Just had a bad morning and lost all data on my hdd
[09:48] <AndChat146900> Due to a power failure
[09:48] <AndChat146900> And fsck failed so bad
[09:48] <AndChat146900> Im starting to think it may be faulty
[09:48] <AndChat146900> My hdd*
[09:49] <AndChat146900> Btw dd has status=progress now
[09:49] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: oh? neat
[09:49] <AndChat146900> So you don't need to USR1 things
[09:49] <AndChat146900> Ya heh
[09:49] <AndChat146900> Newer versions tho
[09:50] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: mine has it, just haven't checked man dd for years
[09:50] <AndChat146900> Ugh if itll take this long I'll stick to a regular format
[09:50] <AndChat146900> Should be sufficient, along with wipefs
[09:50] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: at 50MB/s it'll take about 5.5 hours
[09:51] <AndChat146900> Ya I cant wait that much
[09:51] <AndChat146900> Other than security reasons, does zeroeing have any other benefit?
[09:52] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: none, and it doesn't give security either
[09:52] <DiecastMessiah> not really i would think..
[09:53] <AndChat146900> Thanks for your time
[09:53] <Triffid_Hunter> AndChat146900: there's apparently a slew of forensic tools that can recover most data from a zeroed drive.. the current standard is to write random data 7 times for secure wipe
[09:53] <AndChat146900> Thatll take a month on my hdd
[09:55] <DiecastMessiah> yeah best to make partitions .. I found at time if i have a problem even with 250gbs it can take 9 to 10 hours just to scan it
[10:09] <lamemadres> alguien vivo
[10:10] <bazhang> english here please lamemadres
[10:11] <lamemadres> what are you doing
[10:15] <DiecastMessiah> sorry to bug ya with dumb question but how do you run sh files again... trying to play Mel Stories .. and it not running from steam .. i tried the steamrun command in termial but no good and no errors .. so i am tring to run the sh script
[10:16] <tomeaton17> DiecastMessiah, ./x where x is the location of the file
[10:17] <DiecastMessiah> ty
[10:18] <DiecastMessiah> ok alot of errors now :(
[10:20] <tomeaton17> What does it say?
[10:21] <DiecastMessiah> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rSgPysPvB2/
[10:22] <DiecastMessiah> different opengl problems it seems
[10:28] <Shawn|i7-720QM> howdy
[10:28] <Shawn|i7-720QM> anyone here run anbox?
[10:29] <StormWarrior> Hey
[10:29] <StormWarrior> I cannot update initramfs after kernel update from 4.10 to 4.13..
[10:30] <ignatiz-> how do I reload service files on ubuntu 14.04 server? I tried initctl reload-configuration but it never worked.
[10:30] <StormWarrior> Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz-4.10.0-40-generic.efi.signed: No such file or directory
[10:30] <StormWarrior> run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//runlilo exited with return code 1
[10:30] <StormWarrior> dpkg: error processing package linux-firmware (--configure):
[10:30] <StormWarrior>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1... Although I have removed the old initramfs entries from var/lib/initramfs-tools and my dpkg shows no trace of 4.10
[10:31] <linuxuser45633> Hi, what approximate proportion of the Linux userbase consists of negroids/negroes?  < .01%?
[10:31] <bazhang> linuxuser45633, thats not welcome nor ontopic here
[10:31] <StormWarrior> anyone?
[10:31] <linuxuser45633> bazhang: ?  Why?
[10:32] <linuxuser45633> bazhang: You like these negroids or something?
[10:32] <StormWarrior> lol
[10:33] <StormWarrior> bazhang can you help me out?
[10:35] <StormWarrior> ??
[10:37] <danlii> Running Artful. I disabled the dnsmasq feature by setting dns=default in NetworkManager.conf and stopping/disabling systemd-resolved, because I want to be able to see which DNS server I use - but not resolvconf doesn't update my resolv.conf when I switch network connections. Any ideas? I can see that network manager gets the DNS settings from the DHCP, but it doesn't apply them to the system.
[10:39] <Triffid_Hunter> danlii: that's what that option does. maybe stick the dns server you want in /etc/resolv.conf.head so it's always at the top and others appear below it?
[10:39] <Triffid_Hunter> or hypothetically there's a way to make it put the dns server in a separate file which you could then munge to your liking
[10:40] <danlii> Triffid_Hunter: I have different dns servers on the different networks I connect to, that's why I want the dhcp client to update resolv.conf for me.
[10:40] <StormWarrior> ok i took care of the problem
[10:40] <StormWarrior> And now I feel like a dumb f**k :(
[10:40] <Triffid_Hunter> danlii: sounds like a good use case for unbound..
[10:42] <StormWarrior> So in case anyone gets stuck in not being able to use apt-get after a kernel upgrade because the initramfs cannot be updated, delete the entries(all of em ) in /var/lib/initramfd-tools and generate new initramfs entry using update-initramfs -k all
[10:42] <danlii> Triffid_Hunter: But then I can't see which dns server I use, because resolv.conf only says 127.0.0.53 or something like that. I don't see why I need to run a DNS server on my laptop to query the DNS servers on the networks I connect to, instead of just using a DNS client like I have always done.
[10:43] <Triffid_Hunter> danlii: because NetworkManager is trying to be intelligent for you :P
[10:50] <kalil99> aa
[10:50] <kalil99> aa
[10:50] <kalil99> aa
[10:50] <kalil99> napoli
[10:50] <kalil99> tettere
[10:50] <kalil99> terre
[10:51] <kalil99> tttttttttetteù
[10:51] <mjayk> someone sat on their keyboard ? :>
[10:51] <rud0lf> their cat was trying to communicate
[10:54] <no_gravity> Good Morning
[10:56] <funabashi> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5355            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      830/systemd-resolve whats this?
[10:56] <no_gravity> Two strange things happened. 1) Since yesterday my laptop takes very long to shut down. 2) Since today when I try to start anything via gksu, it hangs.
[10:56] <no_gravity> Any ideas how to debug it?
[10:58] <mjayk> what did you change before the first problem occured
[10:59] <no_gravity> Nothing.
[10:59] <no_gravity> I have the feeling it is network related.
[11:00] <aleksander> my firefox is randomly freezing whole ubuntu. is there a tool to diagnose the problem?
[11:07] <aleksander> i tried disabling e10, hwa, clean profile… nothing works. it hangs entire system on page load, or sometimes on start
[11:08] <aleksander> if im quick enough to kill the process system works ok, if i dont do it quickly, no respond from anything
[11:08] <Emmarof> how do i resolve this error https://pastebin.com/LuY0k47s
[11:15] <neure> hi
[11:15] <neure> how do i add domain name to host name searches?
[11:15] <tommymato> IRC newbie here, so please forgive if I mess up on etiquette. Is this a forum through which I could get some support for a Ubuntu 16.04 python/django problem?
[11:16] <JimBuntu> tommyq, if it's related to the Ubuntu side of things, yes. It's less likely if it's actually a Python/DJango question and only related to Ubuntu because you are using Ubuntu
[11:17] <JimBuntu> tommymato, please feel free to ask your actual question and if somenoe can answer it, they will
[11:18] <tommymato> It may be related. I can get python django working on (forgive me) Windows but not having luck on Ubuntu. Again, sorry if I am not conforming to etiquette but willing to reward with Amazon stuff if anyone can help.
[11:19] <JimBuntu> tommymato, Is it that you can't get a specific Python version installed, or Django OR is it that your script works in Win but not as expected in Ubuntu?
[11:20] <tommymato> Ok thanks JimBuntu. My question is: I have python 2.7.14 and 3.5.2 installed. I know django has installed because I can run the django-admin command. However, if I run a django project I get the message 'Import Error: module not found django
[11:20] <JimBuntu> neure, Are you asking how to configure your system so that domain.com always returns some special IP that you have specified?
[11:21] <JimBuntu> tommymato, I don't use Django, but it sounds to me like the installation of Django you have didn't include the Python modules. Do you use PIP? Which version of Python is your script written to work with?
[11:22] <tommymato> I used apt-get. Is pip recommended?
[11:22] <tommymato> I think the script is geared to python3 but not absolutely sure.
[11:22] <JimBuntu> pip is a specific installer to aid with Python library installs, I was simply asking so I would know if I run across something.
[11:23] <JimBuntu> tommymato, Ok, let's see which Python is running by default... at the command line, please run `python --version`
[11:23] <tommymato> python gives 2.7.14
[11:24] <JimBuntu> Ok... I am going to guess that you actually need the 3.x version. You can manually test this by typing `python` and then pressing TAB a couple times so auto-complete will show you your options
[11:24] <tommymato> I would prefer if 3 was the default but I've been told that I should leave 2.7 on because several components need it.
[11:25] <JimBuntu> I am betting you have a "python3" command that you can start python with
[11:25] <tommymato> yes i have
[11:25] <JimBuntu> If so,,, then use `python3`, hit enter... now once in the interpreter for Python3, type `import django` and hit enter... let's see if you get the module import error
[11:26] <tommymato> I'm going to try the runserver command with python3 and see if it makes a difference
[11:26] <tommymato> ok
[11:26] <neure> i try to install virtualbox guest additions, but installer says I do have something already installed
[11:26] <tommymato> same. I get ImportError: No module named 'django'
[11:27] <neure> how do i find what packages I need to remove to be able to install proper vbox guest additions?
[11:27] <JimBuntu> tommymato, At this point, I'm going to suggest you go back through the django installation instructions to make sure you have the right version/etc installed.
[11:28] <tommymato> (By the way, I've been knocking myself out with this problem for 2 days now. <y eyes are sore from reading StackOverflow posts!)
[11:29] <tommymato> I'll do that Jim, but I've been through this quite a few times now. I'm wondering if there might be something wrong with the python install.
[11:29] <JimBuntu> tommymato, there are a few ways to change the default Python version used by your system, you can 'set an alias' such as adding the line of 'alias python=python3' to your ~/.bashrc and then re-enter the terminal. I would also suggest that you use the line of something like (depending on exact Python version)... `#!/usr/bin/env python3` as your shebang line in the script(s)
[11:30] <tommymato> JimBuntu, many thanks for your suggestions. I'm going to try that now.
[11:30] <JimBuntu> tommymato, I would say you want to change your python versionm and verify a simple `python --version` is returning the version you want, before going through the django install again. If you get stuck, there is probably a #django channel that would be of more help.
[11:30] <JimBuntu> tommymato, you are welcome, wish it would have been as easy as using python3 to initiate the script
[11:31] <tommymato> Thanks again.
[11:31] <JimBuntu> tommymato, yw
[11:40] <Shawn|i7-720QM> is this normal? https://hastebin.com/xetuyokiqa
[11:41] <ecormier> brew?
[11:41] <Shawn|i7-720QM> yea
[11:42] <Shawn|i7-720QM> thats what asciinema devs recommend
[11:42] <Shawn|i7-720QM> on their website
[11:42] <ecormier> why are you not running the apt command it suggests (isn't brew only for macos?)
[11:43] <Shawn|i7-720QM> o.O
[11:43] <Shawn|i7-720QM> the one in apt is outdated isn't it?
[11:43] <Shawn|i7-720QM> oh oops
[11:43] <Shawn|i7-720QM> other installation methods
[11:44] <ecormier> no idea, but if you plan on using a package manager other than the one used for ubuntu, don't expect too much help here
[11:44] <Shawn|i7-720QM> well, brew is on linux too
[11:44] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I installed brew from apt
[11:45] <ecormier> my comment is still valid, apt is ubuntu's package manager, brew is not... I'm sure yum/rpm is in the repos too...
[11:46] <ecormier> Shawn|i7-720QM: anyways, when it installed via brew, did you notice where it was unpacked? (folder)
[11:46] <Shawn|i7-720QM> unpacked?
[11:47] <ecormier> Shawn|i7-720QM: where did brew throw the files
[11:47] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I don't know now
[11:47] <Shawn|i7-720QM> after restarting
[11:47] <ecormier> try using locate
[11:47] <Shawn|i7-720QM> locate for brew shows hebrew fonts
[11:48] <ecormier> no: locate asciinema
[11:48] <Shawn|i7-720QM> and locate for asciinema returns nothing
[11:49] <ecormier> Shawn|i7-720QM: I would apt it, but your welcome to scour your hd trying to find where brew put those files
[11:49] <Shawn|i7-720QM> ahhh /home/linuxbrew, shown by brew config
[11:49] <Shawn|i7-720QM> no need to scour it, that would take a while too if I had a scour pad
[11:51] <Snicksie> not sure if this is on-topic or not, probably is: I am trying to compile a linux kernel module that works in kernel 4.4.0-112-generic, but if I compile in 4.4.0-116-generic I don't have the retpoline flag that is seemingly required from that release on (or at least according to journalctl it refuses to load the module because there is a flag mismatch (retpoline vs no retpoline). Machine is ubuntu 16.04.3
[11:52] <Snicksie> LTS. I couldn't find any hint on how to compile with retpoline support. How can I do this?
[11:57] <brainwash> Snicksie: I would ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[11:58] <Snicksie> okay thanks brainwash, will do
[11:59] <afidegnum> hi, i m trying to intall a global package via pip, and i m having a permission denied. OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MarkupSafe-1.0.dist-info'  do i need to modify the permissions or i should Sudo ?
[12:00] <ecormier> afidegnum: why not install it using apt?
[12:01] <Mutt> Hi
[12:01] <afidegnum> they are python packages,
[12:01] <ecormier> and?
[12:01] <afidegnum> it seens can't be installed via apt
[12:01] <ecormier> yes they can
[12:01] <ecormier> sudo apt install python-markupsafe
[12:02] <ecormier> ** at least they can on 17.10
[12:02] <afidegnum> i m on 16.04
[12:02] <yeats> afidegnum: 'apt search' is very helpful
[12:02] <afidegnum> ok, i will do that
[12:03] <teasp00n> im trying to install openjdk-8-source and i get an error: Package openjdk-8-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:03] <teasp00n> does this mean there are problems with my sources.list or something/
[12:06] <ecormier> teasp00n: I'd start by double checking that you have the 'source' option enabled
[12:06] <ecormier> 'source code' option in 'software & updates'
[12:07] <reddv> Hi, I'd like to install Ubuntu 16.04 alongisde my Windows 10 but I'm getting contradictory opinions on whether to disable secure boot or not. I'd rather not disable it (more security). What issues could I face?
[12:10] <teasp00n> ecormier: nice one, i think that might be it :)
[12:11] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *sigh* https://asciinema.org/a/CtN8yOXJ5t3bEhHYtdPyCXdOv
[12:11] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I'm curious when their alpha is going to work on lubuntu
[12:12] <miyagi1> where can i find a staff list of this channel?
[12:17] <solsTiCe> hi. I am using a "Hide Top Bar" gnome shell extensions. And I think it crashed because I've lost the top bar. or the the top bar simply disaperead. How do I ge tit back without logging out/logging in ?
[12:20] <solsTiCe> no way to restart gnome-shell on waylan :-(
[12:21] <solsTiCe> so how do I log out with the top bar ?
[12:22] <ecormier> solsTiCe: press the power button?
[12:24] <solsTiCe> damn !
[12:27] <root> hola
[12:30] <avallark> como estas senor :root
[12:36] <myname2> hi, I have a question about Ubuntu and secure boot
[12:39] <myname2> I dual boot Ubuntu and Windows (just installed Ubuntu on top), and I chose to disable secure boot from Ubuntu's installation  screen). I entered the password and it seemed to work ok. However, every time I boot onto windows, after rebooting my PC I can't even POST. All I get is a black screen, no matter how many times I reset my PC. The issue is resolved only if I unplug the power chord for a few seconds and re-insert it. The problem rea
[12:39] <myname2> ppears if I boot onto windows. What to do?
[12:39] <miyagi1> this is an offtopic question, ask on ##windows perhaps
[12:40] <myname2> It's about getting secure boot's noose out of my neck so I can use Ubuntu properly.
[12:40] <myname2> so it's about ubuntu
[12:40] <mjayk> It doesn't sound like a secure boot problem to me
[12:41] <mjayk> especially if the power cord thing is the solution
[12:41] <myname2> it's definitely a UEFI/bios problem, probably relating to secure boot
[12:41] <myname2> not sure how that works though
[12:42] <myname2> Before that I didn't even know modern OS could fuck with the UEFI
[12:42] <mjayk> doesn't sound like a secure boot problem to me, it would post if that was true.
[12:42] <myname2> great, thanks for the help faggots]
[12:43] <mjayk> yw enjoy your day
[12:54] <petter_> hi! I'm having trouble getting my NFS mounts to automatically mount in ubuntu 17.10. Worked great in 16.04, same fstab lines... suspecting a delayed networking initialization?
[12:54] <petter_> not finding good info when googling
[13:04] <C_MF> Hello all. I have a question about AMD graphics drivers.Im just wondering where the best place to get some info is. Thanks!
[13:08] <DiecastMessiah> hey all, i guess from the time i installed ubuntu and bumblebee it well was working right... but i uninstall bumblebee and reinstall nvidia drivers with nvidia prime and seem to be working but still have a problem with some games
[13:08] <alexandre9099_>  hi, i'm trying to make the rift cv1 work work on a computer of a friend of mine, the rift gets recognized as a screen but then it just stays black, it is an optimus laptop
[13:09] <DiecastMessiah> not sure if it because it a 32bit vs 64bit thing
[13:09] <alexandre9099_> my optimus laptop works fine with the rift
[13:14] <DiecastMessiah> rift?
[13:14] <alexandre9099_> oculus rift
[13:14] <alexandre9099_> cv1
[13:18] <DiecastMessiah> ohh right sorry vr i should have remmeber that
[13:23] <DiecastMessiah> I trying to run a game called Mel-Stories.. from steam it just doesn;t open .. if i try to run the sh script i get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yk5mT9JMJJ/
[13:26] <django_> hey
[13:26] <Guest73429> Why there are so many bugs in Ubuntu?
[13:26] <django_> i have a CD that came with a book, but i cant get the audio :/
[13:26] <django_> how can i get it
[13:27] <Guest73429> Just insert the CD. Ubuntu should mount it automatically
[13:37] <DiecastMessiah> found this odd OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 2.0 NVIDIA 340.104 340.104 but my card is opengl 2.1 .. and the game says it works on 2.1
[13:42] <ioria> DiecastMessiah, not a gamer, but sometimes the issue is the wrong libstdc++.so lib in use
[13:52] <django_> Guest11970, it worked with another CD but not this one
[13:57] <DiecastMessiah> oh just noticed to after reinstalll the nvidia drivers with prime.. my unity search window never changes.. the background stays the same
[14:00] <DiecastMessiah> seems to work fine if i turn on blur
[14:05] <doge-doge> does anyone else get a bug with thunderbird if more than 1 unread mail comes in, there's no audio alert?
[14:06] <doge-doge> I'm talking about the selected audio alert within thunderbird's settings
[14:07] <doge-doge> ...mate really needs to add audio alerts to the popup notification settings
[14:11] <gartral> hello all, I have a slight issue with a game i'm trying to run in steam, the game... for whatever brain-damaged reason... requires 32-bit Mono... IF I try and install 32-bit mono with replacing lib/mono-blah with it's 32-bit counterpart I'm told I have to uninstall the 64-bit mono to do so... is there a way that I can work around this and have BOTH 32 and 64 varients installed at once?
[14:11] <doge-doge> what game is it
[14:12] <gartral> doge-doge: all of the Shadowrun games
[14:12] <gartral> I picked them up from one of the recent humblebundle
[14:12] <gartral> s
[14:13] <doge-doge> i just installed "steam-installer" and thankfully that worked for cs:s lol
[14:13] <doge-doge> I think that automatically installed "steam:i386" as a dependency
[14:14] <doge-doge> oh wow, clicking on that^ above launched steam
[14:17] <gartral> doge-doge: I have that already, but the issue is mono, not steam
[14:26] <Vic2> I am running Ubuntu 14.04.5 -- for some reason my terminal has defaulted to full screen when I open a terminal.  I much prefer 80x23.  How do I fix this as it is a major pita resizing it every time I open a terminal.
[14:27] <gartral> Vic2: f11
[14:28] <Vic2> gartral - let me rephrase ... not full screen but sized to take up the entire screen.  F11 just gets rid of the bar at the top
[14:29] <leftyfb> Vic2: which terminal emulator are you using?
[14:30] <Vic2> the default in 14.04 lts
[14:30] <DiecastMessiah> try ctrl r is it the nomral termial
[14:30] <DiecastMessiah> wait
[14:30] <DiecastMessiah> ctrl 0
[14:31] <Vic2> ctrl 0 does nothing
[14:31] <DiecastMessiah> under termial is there different pre-set sizes?
[14:33] <leftyfb> Vic2: Edit - Profile Preferences - What does "Initial Terminal Size" say?
[14:33] <Vic2> AFTER I open it, yes there are presets on the menu under terminal.  but I want it to OPEN to what at one time was the default
[14:34] <Vic2> use custom default terminal size is checked and 80 x 24 is in the size boxes.
[14:34] <DiecastMessiah> odd same here for that
[14:35] <DiecastMessiah> do you use ctrl alt t to open yours?
[14:35] <leftyfb> Vic2: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[14:35] <Vic2> There is no "initial terminal size" ....
[14:36] <Vic2> DM - the terminal icon on the desktop
[14:36] <Vic2> leftyfb let me check
[14:36] <leftyfb> Vic2: actually, before that, what happens when you run the terminal from the menu, and not the icon on your desktop?
[14:37] <Vic2> menu?
[14:37] <DiecastMessiah> k maybe what leftfb said. and if not maybe that desktop icon has it set to something
[14:37] <leftyfb> Vic2: hit the start key, then type terminal and run it from there
[14:38] <Vic2> leftyfb - same
[14:39] <leftyfb> Vic2: you could try wiping all terminal settings: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/gnome-terminal
[14:39] <leftyfb> Vic2: you'll need to log out and back in for the changed to take affect
[14:40] <Vic2> any pitfalls to doing that?  I presume it would revert to the original default config no?
[14:42] <DiecastMessiah> for the termial i would think.. it should effect other settings
[14:42] <DiecastMessiah> shouldn't**
[14:42] <Vic2> consequences be damned I did it ... no change.
[14:44] <DiecastMessiah> oddness.
[14:45] <Vic2> Also ... I use Torguard vpn ... when I first run it, that program is also taking up the entire desktop when opened ... something it did not use to do.
[14:45] <Vic2> so torguard and terminal are both doing this.
[14:50] <DiecastMessiah> not sure but looking around.. maybe the icon you use can add in this.. gnome-terminal --geometry=50x30+0+0 can change the first to what ya like
[14:51] <TomJones__> Hello
[14:52] <TomJones__> im having issues updating
[14:53] <Vic2> DM - In Windows I would right click and be able to edit the properties -- but how would I do that to items on the Launcher here in Ubuntu?
[14:53] <leftyfb> TomJones__: what version of ubuntu?
[14:53] <TomJones__> 04
[14:53] <DiecastMessiah> oh not sure.. i thought you had a icon on the desktop
[14:53] <leftyfb> TomJones__: there is no version 04
[14:54] <leftyfb> TomJones__: cat /etc/issue
[14:54] <leftyfb> Vic2: open a terminal, then within that terminal, type: gnome-terminal
[14:55] <Vic2> No sorry DM - I suck with terminology ... the launcher.  I can never find the desktop, lol.  On that note, is there a "show desktop" button in Ubuntu?
[14:55] <TomJones__> its  17.04
[14:56] <leftyfb> !artful | TomJones__
[14:56] <leftyfb> oops
[14:56] <leftyfb> !zesty | TomJones__
[14:56] <Vic2> leftyfb: That simply opened another terminal window.
[14:56] <leftyfb> Vic2: was it fullscreen or normal?
[14:57] <bhanz> How to determine if orifice backdoor is installed on machine ?
[14:57] <tripledouble> Hello. I created an aws ec2 instance with Ubuntu 16.04 on it, added elastic IP to it, I can ssh to it just fine using Putty, but if I do $ sudo reboot, I can no longer connect to it, I just get a connection refused error. I can only do it if I go to the aws console and stop the instance and then restart it from there.
[14:57] <Vic2> leftyfb -- let me correct what I said earlier with hopefully better terminology ... the terminal opens sized to use the entire desktop rather than the "normal" 80x23.
[14:58] <Vic2> Fullscreen was a terminology mistake on my part ...
[14:58] <leftyfb> bhanz: Did you install it?
[14:58] <leftyfb> tripledouble: contact Amazon support
[14:58] <bhanz> No - but in nmap result, i do see that but i'm not able to find on machine ?
[14:58] <bhanz> leftyfb:
[14:58] <leftyfb> bhanz: nmap is a port scanner
[14:58] <leftyfb> bhanz: what are you trying to accomplish?
[14:59] <JimBuntu> tripledouble, try a shutdown command in terminal and see if it actually shuts down... I suspect something is preventing the 'restart' from completing
[14:59] <bhanz> leftyfb: correct - i'm trying to figure out whether it is actually installed on my machine or not if yes then what package ? i want to remove it
[15:00] <leftyfb> bhanz: if nmap is showing a port listening on the same port as BO typically does, it just means you have some process listening on that port. Unless you did it yourself, you do not have BO running on your computer
[15:01] <tripledouble> JimBuntu: thanks for your reply. Should I do $ shutdown?
[15:02] <JimBuntu> tripledouble, I would do that... see if I get my connection dropped, then watch the EC2 console to see if it shows that instance is powered off
[15:02] <bhanz> leftyfb: i don't see any application is being used that port in netstat output
[15:02] <leftyfb> bhanz: you probably configured something to listening on port 31337
[15:03] <leftyfb> bhanz: sudo lsof -i :31337
[15:03] <JimBuntu> port 31337... that's elite
[15:03] <bhanz> leftyfb: cool, let me check that
[15:04] <leftyfb> bhanz: you might have to install lsof
[15:04] <leftyfb> bhanz: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:04] <bhanz> leftyfb: i'm using ubuntu 17
[15:04] <leftyfb> bhanz: 17.what?
[15:05] <bhanz> leftyfb: sorry i did tell about my laptop.
[15:05] <leftyfb> bhanz: cat /etc/issue
[15:05] <skulltip> i forgot what nvidia card i have in my system. i'm on a clean install of ubuntu 17.10, how do i tell what version wthout having to reboot and go into bios, if that's even opssible
[15:06] <bhanz> leftyfb: server which i'm seeing this, it's ubuntu 14.04 server
[15:06] <leftyfb> skulltip: lspci
[15:07] <skulltip> ty
[15:08] <skulltip> can i sudo install or do i have to do funky stuff like reboot and come into it from 'outside' the gui?
[15:08] <leftyfb> skulltip: huh?
[15:09] <skulltip> in past when installing nvidia drivers, had to alt-f7 or f2 to a CLI, log in and install. couldnt just install when in the window manager
[15:09] <leftyfb> skulltip: open up the "additional drivers" application and enable the nvidia drivers
[15:09] <skulltip> ah wait, forgot about that
[15:11] <skulltip> where can i find that at
[15:11] <thanzex> Hi there! I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an external HDD. Said HDD is full of other stuff but i have a 200GB empty partition that i'd like to install ubuntu to. I create the ext4 and swap partitions from the ubuntu installer but when i click on "install" a message appears that says " The partition /dev/sdc2 assigned to / starts at an offset of 307
[15:11] <thanzex> 2 bytes from the minimum alignment of the disk, which may lead to very poor performance". I know it would be better for the ubuntu partition to be the first on the disk, but i really don't fancy moving 1.8TB of data in a disk only to install ubuntu. Choosing either of the "Continue" or "Go back" options in the message doe nothing. Is there a way to
[15:11] <thanzex>  force it to install? should i do something different?
[15:11] <tripledouble> @JimBuntu: You were right. It shut down, but aws console still shows it as running.
[15:12] <leftyfb> skulltip: his the "start" key on your keyboard and type drivers
[15:12] <tripledouble> JimBuntu: any ideas what I sohuld do next?
[15:12] <tripledouble> I'm guessing it didnt actually shut down completely?
[15:12] <skulltip> ty
[15:12] <JimBuntu> tripledouble, check out your logs, if AWS console says it's still up then it's not actually shutdown, or I wouldn't expect it to be actually shutdown
[15:13] <JimBuntu> tripledouble, in summary, it looks like you are failing to shutdown or restart
[15:14] <Outy> thanzex: it may lead to poor performance. its not wrong on what partition the install is. its about 4k sector aligning. google it
[15:14] <tripledouble> JimBuntu: can you please tell me what logs is should check out?
[15:16] <thanzex> Outy: So, should i create the partitions outside of the installer?
[15:18] <DiecastMessiah> if there is unused space.. but if not you can resize partitions to make the room.... but it risky to do that.. could lose data if the process messes up
[15:19] <leftyfb> thanzex: can I ask why you want to install ubuntu on this drive
[15:20] <Outy> thanzex: the installer should automatically align partition to sector - i don't know why it dont work with your installer
[15:21] <thanzex> leftyfb: Both my main SSD and HDD on the comptuer are near full and i don't have fast enough USB drives, the external HDD has plenty of space left and decent performance so i chose that one. Outy: I'm using the installer from 16.03
[15:23] <leftyfb> Outy: there was no 16.03. You might mean 16.04.
[15:24] <DiecastMessiah> typo most likey 3 is beside 4 lol
[15:26] <Outy> thanzex: launch live ubuntu system. delete linux partition on ext usb with help of gparted -> create new partition with gparted like before -> lauch installer and install to desired partition - should do the trick very easy
[15:30] <JimBuntu> tripledouble, sorry for the delay... I'm not sure which log files would be best or if you should perhaps install a 3rd party program to simplify things... maybe start with /var/log/kern.log and possibly set up something like `sudo dmesg -c && sudo dmesg -w >~/dmesg.log &` right before you try to poweroff/restart
[15:30] <tripledouble> JimBuntu: thanks a lot
[15:30] <JimBuntu> tripledouble, then give the system a few minutes where it shows up as still running in EC2 before you restart it manually... then check that ~/dmesg.log you created...
[15:34] <skinux> How come whenver I tab away from a file browser window, it disappears completely and I have to open new?
[15:35] <JimBuntu> skinux - That's a new one on me. Mine simply land behind the other open window/entity unless I have 'Always on top' selected.
[15:41] <adac> where can i see on command line from which repository my deb package was installed from?
[15:42] <TJ-> adac: "apt-cache policy <packagename>"
[15:42] <adac> TJ-, awesome thanks!
[15:43] <skinux> Hmm. I bet it's crashing
[15:45] <skinux> Is the file browser called Files?
[15:45] <pZombie> hello friends
[15:46] <geirha> skinux: nautilus
[15:47] <JimBuntu> skinux, You will see it as Files in the GUI, it's gnautilus in the cli
[15:47] <pZombie> If i write an ubuntu ISO onto a large bootable usb drive/stick, i cannot get ubuntu to install itself on that same usb drive/stick. Can I?
[15:47] <genii> No
[15:47] <leftyfb> pZombie: correct
[15:47] <pZombie> well, that's bad
[15:47] <pZombie> imagine the possibilities
[15:47] <skinux> So, nautilus is crashing when I tab away
[15:48] <pZombie> you gift a friend just a fast usb stick with lubuntu install on it, and all he has to do is to just install it onto the same usb stick
[15:48] <pZombie> and it wouldn't be impossible to establish in theory
[15:49] <leftyfb> skinux: what version of ubuntu?
[15:49] <genii> pZombie: Actually, if you already have multiple linux partitions on it, maybe, because then the partitioner won't choke if you just install to some other one not in use
[15:50] <pZombie> genii - doesn't work. The installer just does not see the cdrom at all
[15:50] <genii> ( although I haven't actually tried this yet)
[15:50] <pZombie> this should be priority No1. It would make the spread of ubuntu and others so much easier
[15:51] <JimBuntu> genii and pZombie  - This IS possible... there are utilities that can cause your USB stick to show up as multiple drives... generally with the first one being a CD-ROM device and then the rest being normal such as /dev/sda/b/c
[15:51] <pZombie> just hand over a stick which is large enough to hold the iso image and is bootable, and has enough space for the other partitions
[15:51] <nacc> pZombie: definitely *not* priority #1 :)
[15:51] <leftyfb> pZombie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[15:51] <nacc> pZombie: and the way to do persistent USB is laid out in the wiki
[15:51] <nacc> thanks leftyfb
[15:52] <pZombie> but that is not what i am talking about
[15:52] <nacc> pZombie: afaict, the effect is the same
[15:52] <leftyfb> pZombie: you're not talking about the ability to boot from usb and save any changes you make?
[15:53] <pZombie> the usb sticks nowadays are so fast and so big and cheap that they have enough space for the iso + a full install
[15:53] <skinux> Ubuntu Xenial
[15:53] <nacc> pZombie: right, which is called persistent USB
[15:53] <skinux> I do alt+tab and Nautilus just disappears, not even a crash report.
[15:53] <skinux> I guess I'll research other file browsers until I find a fix.
[15:54] <leftyfb> skinux: run nautilus from a terminal, then tab away from it. You should see errors in the terminal if it crashes
[15:54] <pZombie> nacc - the liveUSB hogs the RAM... a proper install does not, at least that is what i have seen from my experiments from liveCDs
[15:55] <nacc> pZombie: 'hogs the RAM'?
[15:55] <pZombie> just simply being able to save your settings etc, does not make a full install
[15:55] <thanzex> Outy:  that did the trick, thanks
[15:55] <leftyfb> pZombie: you're not going to get anything in the way of performance booted to an install over usb regardless
[15:55] <Outy> thanzex: youre welcome - glad i could help
[15:55] <leftyfb> pZombie: usb 2.0 is not "fast" as far as running a full OS from it. And usb 3.0 flash drives are not "cheap".
[15:56] <pZombie> actually, usb 2.0 can do 40mb/s... and that is plenty fast if you can get the full 40mb/s at all times
[15:57] <pZombie> a modern usb stick can deliver the 40mb/s at all times i would think.
[15:57] <leftyfb> pZombie: also, usb flash drives are pretty unstable over time. That will affect performance and even loss of data
[15:57] <pZombie> they give 5 years warranty now on usb sticks
[15:57] <pZombie> if they were that bad, they wouldn't
[15:57] <leftyfb> uh huh
[15:58] <nacc> pZombie: in any case, this doesn't seem like an ubuntu support topic any longer
[15:58] <C_MF> Yoiu can get a 32 gb 3.0 on amazon for 13 bucks. lol
[15:58] <skinux> Here's what I got when I launched Nautilus from CLI (it did open) https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/17ff9fdf11efba951f4fd155064931eb
[15:58] <nacc> pZombie: feel free to work on such a feature (although afaict, it already exist)
[15:59] <leftyfb> skinux: did it crash? Because what you just posted is completely normal
[16:00] <skinux> Well, it didn't crash. It just goes into the background, there is no indicator in panel, and it doesn't show up in the tab switcher menu
[16:01] <leftyfb> skinux: what Desktop Environment are you running?
[16:01] <skinux> Unity
[16:01] <Outy> did i mention that i hate unity ^^
[16:04] <skinux> I guess I'll just use Gnome
[16:04] <skinux> Thakns
[16:05] <C_MF> Anyone know how to uninstall graphics drivers?...
[16:06] <Outy> C_MF: you can use Software & Updates from the menu and go to the additional drivers tab
[16:08] <C_MF> Outy, Thanks, I appreciate it! Not sure why theyre not working tho. Do you have to use some sort of command to 'activate' them?
[16:08] <Outy> C_MF: the will get activated after logoff/logon if everything went right
[16:09] <matyd> how do I get libvert qemu to go away from the user accounts, for good? I keep deleting the user account but it keeps coming back after each update
[16:09] <Outy> C_MF: ps  nvidia drivers until now - will NOT work with 17.10
[16:10] <Outy> C_MF: use 16.04 lts instead
[16:10] <C_MF> Understood. So its just some random glitch. And yea, I read about that a little. I have an AMD card, so no issue there.'
[16:11] <nacc> matyd: in which dialogue? pastebin or screenshot?
[16:11] <matyd> one sec and i'll get ya a screenshot
[16:12] <thafreak> So, I want a network bridge without an assigned IP address.
[16:12] <thafreak> But I can't for the life of me figure out how to make that happen with netplan.
[16:12] <thafreak> Anyone able to make this work?
[16:13] <thafreak> I tried giving it an address of 0.0.0.0, but that gives me errors.
[16:13] <thafreak> If I simply don't give it an address, it's never brought up.
[16:14] <matyd> nacc: https://snag.gy/boJi0w.jpg
[16:14] <matyd> sorry i had to find a place to do the screenshots lol
[16:15] <samori> hello
[16:15] <AmericanBlend> hi
[16:16] <nacc> matyd: can you pastebin `grep libvirt-qemu /etc/passwd` ?
[16:17] <matyd> libvirt-qemu:x:64055:129:Libvirt Qemu,,,:/var/lib/libvirt:/bin/false
[16:17] <matyd> just one line
[16:19] <nacc> matyd: hrm, i don't know
[16:19] <matyd> I mean I delete the user account, but it'll just come back after another update of that library.. rather annoying lol
[16:19] <ioria> maybe a bug; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1672112
[16:21] <ioria> matyd, you can hide it from AccountsService, editing /var/lib/AccountsService/users/libvirt-qemu
[16:21] <Crusher> I have this: http://gensen.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/soft/TermExtract-4_11.tar.gz what do I need to do to install on WLS/Ubuntu?
[16:22] <OerHeks> !wsl | Crusher, support in
[16:24] <HermanDE> Afternoon all....
[16:24] <Crusher> there's almost no one there OerHeks, so far I've found there is very little difference with what I'm doing
[16:24] <matyd> ioria sounds good, i'll look there.
[16:25] <OerHeks> Crusher, sad to hear, but this channel certainly does not support it.
[16:25] <HermanDE> I'm trying to create a live netboot that doesn't use nfs.  Just a simple ramfs.
[16:25] <ioria> matyd,  echo -e "[User]\nSystemAccount=true" > /var/lib/AccountsService/users/libvirt-qemu ; https://askubuntu.com/questions/897026/why-do-i-have-a-libvirt-qemu-account-in-lock-switch-account-options-in-ubuntu/897615
[16:25] <matyd> there is no 'libvert-qemu
[16:25] <matyd> in that dir, just mine
[16:25] <HermanDE> the initrd doesn't seem to run dhclient.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[16:28] <ioria> matyd, if you have it in 'User Accounts' , you should have the same in /var/lib/AccountsService/users .....
[16:28] <cpaelzer> matyd: I think you hit bug 1672112, that might have some context info as well
[16:30] <matyd> ioria, i don't though :\ cpaelzer, very possible thank you
[16:31] <markus__> does ubuntu prevent file deletion from permanent mounted ntfs partition. because every time i try to delete something it wont let me.
[16:32] <nbastin> ...why does do-release-upgrade NOT WARN YOU that dsa keys will not be accepted
[16:33] <tripledouble> JimBuntu: I tried the dmesg thing, but when I log back in, cat dmesg.log returns nothing
[16:34] <nacc> tripledouble: `dmesg`, not `cat dmesg.log`
[16:34] <OerHeks> nbastin, why should it, as DSA is depreciated for years now
[16:35] <nbastin> OerHeks: because now I have a total brick at a remote site?
[16:36] <nbastin> OerHeks: it seems sortof essential that maybe the upgrade script should say like, oh hye, we won't accept the key you're currently using after this update
[16:36] <ioria> matyd, in this case, you might create one
[16:36] <matyd> bug report?
[16:37] <OerHeks> nbastin, so DSA is not used on your ubuntu itself, only in your keyring for access a remote site? .. again, why should ubuntu warn?
[16:37] <ioria> matyd, nope, a  /var/lib/AccountsService/users/libvirt-qemu  file
[16:37] <skmar> hello, on xenial I have an interface configured with a /29 network via /etc/network/interfaces but ifup creates a /8 route for it, I have no clue what could be wrong
[16:37] <OerHeks> you can re-enable support locally by
[16:37] <OerHeks> updating your sshd_config and ~/.ssh/config files with lines like so:
[16:37] <OerHeks> 	PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=+ssh-dss
[16:37] <markus__>  does ubuntu prevent putting files to trash from permanent mounted ntfs partition. because every time i try to delete something it wont let me and give me warning that this file cant be put in trash.
[16:38] <matyd> ahh, i gotcha. I've already deleted the account through settings. I'll do it next time when it happens again. Doesn't seem like there's a permanent answer at this time
[16:39] <niko1990> hello everyone :)
[16:45] <niko1990> I have a problem with mdadm (a software raid 1 with 2 hdds). It was running very good for around 2 years now, but now i have the problem, that i had a voltage outage (so my server crashed). After reboot my raid1 was seperated into md0 and md127. I disassembled it, turned the raid off, and tried to reassembe it with, but cat /proc/mdstat always shows me md0: active raid 1 sda1[0] xxx blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [U_] - and t
[16:51] <JimBuntu> nacc tripledouble  In this case, tripledouble should be looking at something like `cat ~/dmesg.log` as this is a special file we were trying to create during poweroff
[16:52] <tripledouble> JimBuntu: unfortunately it is empty. any thoughts as to why/
[16:52] <Outy> Hi niko1990 - i would like to help, but no experience with software raid on my side here... maybe someone other could help out here
[16:54] <TJ-> niko1990: sounds like you need to --examine each side of the mirror to ensure it's meta-data is correct to begin with
[16:55] <JimBuntu> tripledouble, I wouldn't expect the dmesg log to be empty from the time to start a shutdown until it finishes... could be another symptom of the issue
[16:58] <niko1990> TJ-: thank you very much, im going to look the examine command up :)
[16:58] <niko1990> Outy: thank you anyway for trying =)
[17:04] <netochka> i'm looking for a way to safely remove files. so they couldn' be recovered
[17:05] <TJ-> netochka: see "man shred"
[17:05] <netochka> Ty
[17:06] <netochka> hmm.. it seems that it's a command line huh?
[17:09] <OerHeks> with nautilus-actions, you can add shred to nautilus menu .. http://www.webupd8.org/2009/09/delete-files-securely-in-nautilus-linux.html
[17:09] <ioria> !info  nautilus-wipe
[17:10] <OerHeks> old page but... oh nice find, ioria
[17:10] <ioria> never tried
[17:10] <Truk> hello i want to delete files inside a folder
[17:10] <Truk> but not the containing folder
[17:10] <Truk> how can i achieve that ?
[17:11] <ycyclist> My kvm install of Ubuntu 12.04.5 on a 16.04.3 host has now been running for 24 hours.
[17:11] <ycyclist> Any suggestions?
[17:11] <OerHeks> Truk, use your filemanager? or cd into that folder, and delete all files with rm *
[17:12] <ycyclist> Perhaps it will only work if I pay the support fee.
[17:12] <OerHeks> 12.04.. suggestion: upgrade, as it is EOL, dead
[17:12] <OerHeks> !esm
[17:12] <netochka> i'm trying to set chromium to prevent websites from choosing their own font/size but can't find the option for it like in the firefox config. i did change the font size in the settings but still some pages have their own font size
[17:12] <Truk> OerHeks: i have rm: cannot remove '*': No such file or directory
[17:13] <Truk> whereas there are files in my directory
[17:13] <nbastin> OerHeks: you can't re-enable it if you can't talk to the box, this is my point about do-release-upgrade
[17:13] <Jordan_U> OerHeks: Please don't suggest running "rm *" without a gigantic warning.
[17:13] <ycyclist> Ok.
[17:14] <Jordan_U> Truk: First, be *very* careful with rm, especially when adding globs like '*'. Did you cd into the directory you're trying to remove files from before running "rm *"?
[17:15] <akik> Truk: i sometimes use mc for file management, you can tag files with ctrl+t and delete with esc+f8
[17:16] <Truk> yes Jordan_U
[17:16] <Jordan_U> Truk: Are the remaining files in the directory all files whose filenames start with '.'?
[17:17] <Crusher> how do I open up cpan to download and edit the files and do make make test etc?
[17:17] <Truk> no Jordan_U
[17:17] <Crusher> look I think is involved?
[17:17] <Truk> this the the files from a mount point
[17:17] <Truk> my mount point is on /var/lib/docker
[17:17] <Truk> each time i have to rm -r all the subdirectories one per one
[17:18] <Truk> i want to delete them in one command
[17:18] <Jordan_U> Truk: Does your user have permissions to read the contents of the directory you're tyring to delete files from?
[17:18] <Truk> i use sudo
[17:19] <Jordan_U> Truk: Does that mean no? (Using sudo doesn't change bash's ability to expand '*' to a list of filenames)
[17:19] <Truk> my user doesnt have permission
[17:22] <Jordan_U> Truk: Then that explains the problem. When bash can't read a directory to expand '*' into a list of files it will simply not expand the '*', leaving you with a literal '*' character. To see what I mean, try running "echo ~/*" vs "echo /var/lib/docker/*" and note that the "echo" command doesn't know anything about globs or even anything about files, it's bash that is doing the expanding.
[17:23] <Truk> so what shoud i do Jordan_U ?
[17:24] <Jordan_U> Truk: You have a few options, but first realize that you should be incredibly careful whenever running rm -r, even more so when adding a glob to the mix, a little bit more when adding sudo, and even more when adding quoting...
[17:24] <nacc> JimBuntu: oh sorry
[17:25] <Jordan_U> Truk: So, don't do this in the future without having made absolutely sure the command you're running does what you intend, possibly by having someone else check it for you beforehand.
[17:25] <Truk> ok Jordan_U
[17:25] <Jordan_U> Truk: One option would be to run the following command: sudo bash -c 'rm -r /var/lib/docker/*'
[17:26] <Jordan_U> Truk: Note the quotation marks around 'rm -r /var/lib/docker/*' those are critical, they are part of the command line that you need to enter.
[17:27] <JimBuntu> nacc, no worries, it was obviously a bad looking command I instructed them to use, I shoulda at least changed the output filename, lol.
[17:27] <nacc> JimBuntu: :)
[17:29] <Jordan_U> Truk: Another option would be to run "sudo --shell" which will give you a root shell, then run "rm -r /var/lib/docker/*", then immediately run "exit" to exit the root shell. I don't like the idea of running an interactive root shell when you can avoid it, but doing it this way means that you don't have to worry as much about (and possibly make bad mistakes related to) quoting. (Forgetting quoting or
[17:29] <Jordan_U> misescaping things can get you in trouble when doing something like "sudo bash -c ..." .
[17:32] <zooth> hi
[17:42] <netochka> i'm trying to set chromium to prevent websites from choosing their own font/size but can't find the option for it like in the firefox config. i did change the font size in the settings but still some pages have their own font size
[17:44] <sere> what is the difference between 16.04 and 14.04 why is 14.04 still lts
[17:44] <nacc> sere: 16.04 is also an lts
[17:44] <nacc> sere: the difference is 2 years?
[17:44] <nacc> sere: every two years, ubuntu puts out an LTS releas
[17:48] <netochka> An Error occurred, please run Package Manager from the right-click menu or apt-get in a terminal to see what is wrong. The error message was: 'Error:Opening the cache (E:Malformed entry 1 in list file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask.list (URI parse), E:The list of sources could not be read.)'.This usually means that your instaled packages have unmet dependencies
[17:48] <sere> nacc ahh ok ty
[17:51] <OerHeks> netochka, bitmask ppa list corruption? remove the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask.list and add it again ? https://bitmask.net/en/install/linux#packages-2
[17:52] <netochka> OerHeks: u mean remove it manually? i donno how to remove it
[17:53] <leftyfb> netochka: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask*
[17:53] <OerHeks> you can remove it from softwarecenter> sources, or on comandline like leftyfb just typed
[17:54] <netochka> ty
[17:54] <netochka> well this is weird > rm: cannot remove '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask': No such file or directory
[17:54] <OerHeks> the cause why it got corrupted, maybe a faulty disk, hard shutdown,.. maybe worth to start a filechk
[17:55] <OerHeks> you missed the *, or did not use sudo
[17:55] <leftyfb> netochka: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask*
[17:55] <OerHeks> or use the full name:  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask.list
[17:56] <OerHeks> [tab] autocompletes too
[17:57] <plujon> To get my display to work at 1920x1080, I've had to add i915.alpha_support=1 to my kernel parameters.  That works.  However, the computer has frozen twice since I did this.  I would like to upgrade to the 4.15 kernel because i915 support is no longer alpha in it.  If I follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel , will my kernel be 4.13 ?
[17:57] <netochka> keeps saying rm: cannot remove '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask.list': No such file or directory
[17:57] <OerHeks> plujon, i would use the mainline ppa, if you *need* 4.15
[17:57] <akik> plujon: you could try the mainline kernels from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:57] <OerHeks> !mainline
[17:58] <OerHeks> carefull, just for testing, not supported
[17:59] <OerHeks> netochka, how odd, use your filemanager and see in that folder, does it even exist?
[17:59] <leftyfb> netochka: try "sudo apt-get update" now ... or whatever you were typing before to get the error message you posted here
[17:59] <plujon> OerHeks: Thanks.  I think I do need 4.15, at least to try it.
[18:00] <plujon> Do the ubuntu sources vary much from the standard linux sources?
[18:00] <Ziginox> I hate to ask here, but I'm at a loss
[18:00] <OerHeks> plujon, next ubuntu 18.04 will give 4.15 as basis, but is beta until release
[18:01] <plujon> Alternatively, I could compile the kernel myself.  But last time I did that I think it took a long time to go through all the configuration.
[18:01] <netochka> OerHeks: it's a bitmask folder in that directory and also a seperate Release.key file
[18:01] <netochka> leftyfb:  tried that before, didn' work
[18:01] <TJ-> plujon: using mainline builds you won't have some apparmor commits required to support lxc/lxd, nor zfs
[18:02] <leftyfb> netochka: sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask* && sudo apt-get update
[18:02] <Ziginox> I have an ubuntu server VM running on top of XenServer. I've already increased the size of the virtual disk, as well as the size of the extended and logical partitions (using parted.) I can't for the life of my figure out how to extend the LVM volume to fill the entire logical partition
[18:03] <netochka> leftyfb:  should i see any line or text after entering "sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitmask*" ???
[18:03] <Ziginox> I tried "lvmextend -l+100%FREE -r /dev/Server2-vg/root", but that leaves the lvm unchanged
[18:03] <netochka> the update is in process
[18:03] <leftyfb> netochka: nope
[18:05] <plujon> TJ-: By "mainline", do you mean, "ubuntu mainline" or "linux mainline"?
[18:05] <TJ-> plujon: ubuntu mainline kernel builds
[18:05] <akik> plujon: they are debs that install cleanly in ubuntu
[18:06] <plujon> So Ubuntu mainline builds remove some apparmor commits for lxc/lxd and zfs?  Interesting.
[18:07] <hggdh> plujon: mainline builds are as mainline releases the kernels, and they are intendd for test only
[18:09] <plujon> I tried rebooting, but I saw no response.  Then I felt around inside the case, and it started to reboot.
[18:09] <plujon> (tried rebooting by hitting a reset button)
[18:09] <Ziginox> got it, had to use pvresize
[18:09] <plujon> It was either a delayed reset, or the computer rebooted after I touched the DRAM.
[18:10] <TJ-> plujon: No, ubuntu mainline kernel builds /do not add/ Ubuntu-specific apparmor, ZFS, and some other patches
[18:11] <plujon> TJ-: Ah.  So they're closer to standard linux.  I see.
[18:12] <hggdh> plujon: not closer -- they *are* "standard" linux.
[18:12] <plujon> Oh, cool.  But already configured and built..
[18:12] <hggdh> plujon: the idea is to have a way to verify if a bug is caused by Ubuntu patchs, or mainline
[18:12] <hggdh> *patches
[18:13] <OerHeks> see  the mainline wiki, how to install them, which order is important
[18:14] <plujon> Unfortunately, I have only one display and must now switch to the rebooted computer.  It now responds to ping, but sshd didn't come online...
[18:14]  * plujon bookmarks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[18:24] <akem_> Hey, where can i configure the "alt gr" key on Ubuntu 17.10? cause it doesn't work in wine, and i can't find the same settings as for Ubuntu 16.04
[18:32] <ChiLLabiS> I bought a used laptop and the screen is too bright. I can't seem to calibrate colors or lower brightness or gamma at all. Any help is appriciated.
[18:33] <s10gopal> how to fix Cannot find arduino executable program under directory "/usr/bin/arduino". Please set the correct "arduino.path" in the User Settings.?
[18:35] <gordonjcp> s10gopal: is it actually installed correctly?
[18:36] <s10gopal> gordonjcp, i am getting this error in vs code
[18:36] <s10gopal> and i dont know how to remove old arduino which is installed by apt-get arduino
[18:36] <gordonjcp> oaky
[18:36] <gordonjcp> *okay
[18:37] <gordonjcp> so you're going to want the arduino package installed so you've got the libraries and stuff, I'm guessing
[18:40] <Pinkamena_D> reloading the driver with for example mobprobe -r psmouse and reloading it does not fix the issue
[18:40] <Pinkamena_D> I actually have not been able to find anything that will fix the issue besides doing the suspend/resume cycle again
[18:40] <s10gopal> gordonjcp, i have installed two verion of arduino , one by apt-get and another by .tar file , firt i want to remove the old version(installed by apt-install)
[18:41] <Elisah> Hi everybody, just installed Xubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) with the XFCE desktop. After a reboot numlock is not enabled on the login screen. I tried to add the Numlock and RestoreNumlock keys to keyboards.xml, but to no avail. All other methods I found via Google are for LightDM. Any suggestions on how to enable the numlock at login? Thanks!
[18:41] <s10gopal> Elisah, enable it in bios
[18:41] <Elisah> hi s10gopal, there's no such setting in the bios
[18:42] <gordonjcp> s10gopal: surely apt-get remove arduino would do that?
[18:42] <s10gopal> Elisah, f10 + A , then you can see some hidden option
[18:42] <Elisah> thanks, I'll try it out immediately!
[18:43] <brainwash> Elisah: why don't you want methods for lightdm?
[18:43] <s10gopal> gordonjcp, and how to find the path of new version of arduino for vs code ?
[18:43] <Elisah> I've installed XFCE, not lightdm brainwash
[18:43] <gordonjcp> s10gopal: no idea, I've never used vs code
[18:44] <brainwash> Elisah: lightdm is your login screen
[18:44] <brainwash> Elisah: Xfce starts after you log in
[18:44] <gordonjcp> s10gopal: I guess you could look at the contents of the tarball, how exactly did you extract it?
[18:44] <Elisah> I see... ok, my mistake then
[18:45] <s10gopal> gordonjcp,  '/Applications' for Mac, '/home/$user/Downloads/arduino-1.8.1' for Linux.
[18:45] <s10gopal> what is for ubuntu ? above is not working
[18:45] <s10gopal> gordonjcp,  '/Applications' for Mac, '/home/$user/Downloads/arduino-1.8.1' for Linux.
[18:45] <s10gopal> what is for ubuntu ? above is not working
[18:45] <Elisah> Bootup Num-lock is "On" in bios, pressing F10 (with or without A) just asks me to exit the bios
[18:45] <gordonjcp> s10gopal: you just answered your own question
[18:46] <gordonjcp> s10gopal: which is Ubuntu?  Is it Mac OSX or is it Linux?
[18:46] <snow_1> hi
[18:46] <snow_1> anyone here can help me some? :)
[18:46] <s10gopal> ubuntu 14.04 lts
[18:47] <gordonjcp> !anyone | snow_1
[18:47] <tomreyn> snow_1: this will depend on the topic you are looknig for help with. feel free to just ask a question whenever you come here.
[18:47] <s10gopal> gordonjcp, Cannot find arduino executable program under directory "/home/$user/Downloads/arduino-1.8.5". Please set the correct "arduino.path" in the User Settings. Requires a restart after change.
[18:47] <snow_1> i cant copy files to my usb stick
[18:48] <gordonjcp> s10gopal: $user needs to be replaced with your username
[18:48] <gordonjcp> hm, is the bot split?
[18:49] <s10gopal> $user is not an env .variable  for user name ?
[18:49] <nacc> s10gopal: no
[18:51] <wafflejock> s10gopal $USER is available, lower case wont work though
[18:51] <s10gopal> thx
[18:52] <netochka> OerHeks & leftyfb. ty. the last one worked.
[18:53] <tomreyn> snow_1: using which ubuntu version, desktop (which?) or terminal, how are you trying to copy, what happens (any error messages?), what did you expect to happen instead? which other approaches have you taken in an attempt to make it work so far?
[18:53] <tomreyn> oh, he's left
[18:57] <HairToday> thepeopleschannel
[18:58] <u122> 1253
[19:10] <bytesaber> does ifup / ifdown no longer support vlans when parsing configs in /etc/network/interfaces?    been doing it for years, can't get it to work now.
[19:10] <bytesaber> device not found messages
[19:21] <yokowka>  hello. how to run duke nukem 3d on zesty zapus?
[19:22] <yokowka> do you read me??
[19:23] <teward> yokowka: zesty is EOL
[19:23] <teward> !zesty
[19:23] <teward> start by using a supported release.
[19:24] <yokowka> ho sorry i mean ubuntu 17.10
[19:24] <hfp> Hi, I'm about to mess with iptables to accomodate a transparent mitmproxy. Is there a way to backup my current iptables config so I can restore it when I'm done? I don't want to screw up my machine's iptables. Do I imply add the new rules and when I reboot they'll be gone?
[19:24] <hfp> s/imply/simply
[19:24] <blkadder> iptables-save
[19:25] <blkadder> and iptables-restore
[19:25] <hfp> blkadder: so if I do that, they'll persist, but if I don't `iptables-save`, the changes will be gone when I reboot?
[19:25] <blkadder> iptables-save dumps your current config
[19:25] <yokowka> teward, ubottu - can you help me in loading duke?
[19:25] <blkadder> So you can save to a file.
[19:26] <hfp> blkadder: cool, thank you
[19:26] <blkadder> np
[19:27] <hfp> yokowka: if someone knows how to help you, they'll answer. no need to harrass users (or bots). in the meantime, keep searching for answers online, that's how irc works.
[19:28] <yokowka> hfp - if i do not repeat question how new joined see them?
[19:29] <yokowka> *it
[19:30] <OerHeks> yokowka, check out the wine channel?
[19:30] <OerHeks> !wine
[19:30] <OerHeks> we don't support wine aps/games issues, they can
[19:33] <yokowka> thank you phellas(if i'm wright in english)
[19:37] <hfp> hmmm another question: do the changes made by `echo 0 | tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/send_redirects` also disappear after rebooting, or are they permanent and I should made note of what the current config is before changing anything?
[19:37] <nacc> hfp: temporary
[19:38] <nacc> hfp: you need to edit /etc/sysctl.conf
[19:38] <nacc> hfp: proc is an in-kernel virtual filesystem
[19:38] <netochka> what is the best software to transfer files between ubuntu and android phone via wifi?
[19:38] <hfp> nacc: thanks, that's fine, I don't want to change the setting permanently; just for now
[19:40] <wafflejock> netochka personally use airdroid allows you to work with android devices through a browser so it's platform agnostic
[19:40] <wafflejock> netochka it's in the play store
[19:45] <netochka> wafflejock: i didn't get what u mean by that. what should i be looking for on playstore?
[19:45] <OerHeks> airdroid
[19:45] <netochka> oh
[19:45] <netochka> sorry. ok
[19:45] <netochka> Ty
[19:46] <netochka> OerHeks: btw, the command lines u gave me earlier worked. thx a bunch
[19:46] <OerHeks> have fun!
[19:47] <krad> hi. i'm executing "daemon --name="beton" -o=log.txt sh test.sh" .. but then i do ps x and i dont see the daemon running why
[19:47] <nacc> krad: is `daemon` a special command you have ?
[19:48] <nacc> oh i see from teh same named package
[19:48] <ikonia> it's an old binary
[19:48] <leftyfb> krad: what version of ubuntu?
[19:49] <krad> 16.04
[19:49] <ikonia> it won't work as sh test.sh
[19:50] <ikonia> no-one really uses daemon as it wasn't really a good way of doing things (hence why you don't hear about it these days)
[19:52] <krad> On Unix, you can use a wrapper like this to make the daemon behave. You can call your command like this:
[19:52] <krad> daemonize -E BUILD_ID=dontKillMe /path/to/your/command
[19:52] <ikonia> "on unix" ?
[19:52] <leftyfb> I would just create a systemd unit. You'll get way more functionality and it'll be cleaner
[19:52] <ikonia> and yes, path/to/your/command not /path/to/shell /with/path/to/second/command
[19:52] <ikonia> it will just run the shell and exit
[19:54] <akik> krad: you can test if "nohup command &" works in your case
[19:54] <ikonia> there is more to this than he's telling us as he's also asking ##linux
[19:54] <s10gopal> how to fix #include errors detected. Please update your includePath. IntelliSense features for this translation unit (/home/gopal/Arduino/sketch_feb15test/sketch_feb15test.ino) will be provided by the Tag Parser. ?
[19:54] <ikonia> test.sh starts a java sever, which will also not exit the shell most likley
[19:55] <ikonia> which will make it hard to daemonise a startup routine
[19:55] <ikonia> I suggest this is dealt with by ##linux
[19:55] <akik> krad: why are you asking in multiple places?
[19:59] <akik> krad: just so you know, crossposting is disrespectful to people who want to help you
[20:03] <chrometiger> what does this mean?
[20:03] <chrometiger> dpkg: error processing package oracle-java7-installer (--configure):
[20:03] <chrometiger>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:03] <chrometiger> Setting up gsfonts-x11 (0.24) ...
[20:04] <chrometiger> im trying to install aptana studio 3 and it says i need to install java7 first and i get this
[20:06] <nacc> chrometiger: oracle-java7 is not an ubuntu package
[20:06] <chrometiger> im trying to follow this tutorial http://linuxpitstop.com/install-aptana-studio-3-on-centos-and-ubuntu/
[20:06] <OerHeks> chrometiger, and what ubuntu version ??  the webupd8 ppa, might not give a oracle binairy blob for your version
[20:07] <nacc> chrometiger: which has you setup a ppa, which isn't supported here
[20:07] <chrometiger> 16.04
[20:08] <chrometiger> ah
[20:08] <OerHeks> java 8 / 9 is current
[20:08] <OerHeks> 10 is out...
[20:08] <nacc> OerHeks: they specifically want oracle java, as well
[20:08] <ioria> and 7 is not supported on xenial, i'am afraid
[20:08] <OerHeks> yeah, only an ARM version .. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java?field.series_filter=xenial
[20:10] <wafflejock> chrometiger suggest checking out vscode haven't really heard of anyone using aptana I did check it out when it was released a few years back but don't think it's seen widespread adoption among web developers (alternatives to vscode are atom, sublime text, brackets etc.)
[20:10] <OerHeks> !ide
[20:11] <chrometiger> wafflejock, thanks im using sublime now was just trying to find a better wysiwyg editor
[20:13] <tesuji>   sublime really is the opposite of wysiwyg...
[20:13] <chrometiger> i know
[20:13] <tesuji> just like its mom vi and dad emacs
[20:13] <chrometiger> was wanting to try out something different
[20:13] <tesuji> :)
[20:13] <wafflejock> yeah unfortunately don't have any good suggestions on that sorry
[20:14] <chrometiger> like to try pinegrow but im not paying 50 bucks
[20:21] <s10gopal> how to use visual studio code arduino extension on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[20:26] <OerHeks> if you don't find an answer here, try #visualstudio or #programming or #arduino ?
[20:28] <Hazy> anyone recommend a good laptop to run ubuntu on?
[20:30] <OerHeks> !hcl
[20:30] <akik> Hazy: dell has ubuntu pre-installed. i hear they're good
[20:30] <OerHeks> populair is dell xps 13/15
[20:30] <OerHeks> but any acer/asus/hp will do fine
[20:33] <Hazy> thx
[20:55] <Sircle> I am getting alot of these. What should I do? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9078504
[20:55] <blkadder> fail2ban
[20:56] <Sircle> blkadder,  thats all?
[20:56] <s10gopal> anyone can please help me with vs code ?
[20:56] <blkadder> Well, what else would you like to do Sircle?
[20:56] <Sircle> blkadder,  which setting to edit?/make harder?
[20:56] <blkadder> Again, set up fail2ban
[20:56] <Sircle> blkadder,  its already installed
[20:57] <Sircle> blkadder,  which setting to edit?/make harder in fail2bain?
[20:57] <blkadder> You can play security by obscurity in moving ssh ports.
[20:57] <s10gopal> how to setup visual studio code on ubuntu ?
[20:58] <Sircle> Why it said 48668 in  "Failed password for root from 115.238.245.6 port 48668 ssh2"? ssh is on 22
[20:58] <Jordan_U> Sircle: You can switch to using key based rather than password based ssh access (or require a key *and* a password).
[20:58] <blkadder> That too...
[20:58] <blkadder> But people will still hit you.
[20:58] <Sircle> blkadder,  and in ubuntu, I don't have a root login. so either way I am safe? Jordan_U?
[20:59] <lordcirth_work> Sircle, so long as you have a good password, and optionally fail2ban, it's just log spam
[20:59] <Jordan_U> Sircle: Every TCP packet has a source and destination port.
[20:59] <lordcirth_work> Those attacks are low-effort spam.  key-only is good if you want.
[21:00] <Sircle> k
[21:01] <blkadder> Sircle Yes, if you don't allow root login that will protect you against people trying to guess your root password. :-)
[21:02] <OerHeks> s10gopal, try #visualstudio or #programming ?
[21:02] <Sircle> blkadder,  I guess by default, ubuntu does not supports root login?
[21:02] <Jordan_U> Sircle: Generally when host A starts a connection with host B host B listens on a known port (like 22) and so host A will send a packet with a source port that is high and chosen at random and a destination port of 22. Then host B will reply with the destination port number that host A randomly generated, and source port of 22. This way you can have two ssh (or any other TCP) connections between two
[21:02] <Jordan_U> hosts even if they are using the "same port" (22). While two connections between the same hosts will share the port 22, they will not share the randomly generated port.
[21:03] <Sircle> ok
[21:04] <blkadder> Sircle: Correct, to prevent exactly these sorts of script kiddie attacks.
[21:04] <blkadder> You have to explicitly enable root login if you wanted it for some reason, but it's almost never a good idea.
[21:05] <Sircle> ya
[21:06] <fds> So, my SD card reader isn't working.  `lspci` gives the following output, which I think corresponds to the device: 03:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8411 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
[21:07] <fds> I'm not really sure what to do now.  Is there a chance it's a simple as modprobing something?  Is there a list somewhere of what hardware is supported by what kernel modules?
[21:08] <TJ-> fds: show us "lspci -nnk -d ::ff00"
[21:09] <alecarnevale> Hi there, I have an issue with notification. When one come and I click on it if I have telegram or MEGAsynch in background (system tray, not just minimized) they come to focus.
[21:09] <fds> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hwdmQbHCyv/
[21:09] <OerHeks> maybe that device can read only SDHC cards
[21:10] <fds> (I guess I can see the answer - rtsx_pci)
[21:10] <TJ-> fds: That confirms the kernel driver "rtsx_pci" is loaded
[21:10] <pippo> !list
[21:10] <Mongrel_Shark> Mwahahahahaha
[21:10] <TJ-> fds: so now I'd monitor the kernel log then plug the media in: "dmesg -w"
[21:11] <leftyfb> what the!!!!!
[21:11] <leftyfb> TJ-: I never knew about the -w !!
[21:11] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250605 says so
[21:11] <leftyfb> the amount of things I don't know after using linux professionally since 1994 is insane
[21:11] <TJ-> leftyfb: lol ... hate to tell you but "man dmesg" is quite useful
[21:12] <leftyfb> yeah yeah, I just never assumed it would have a follow
[21:12] <leftyfb> while true; do dmesg -T |tail -n 20 ; sleep 1; clear;done
[21:12] <leftyfb> that's been my solution for years
[21:12] <fds> TJ-: Ah ha, that seems to pick it up: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mcf49bH8ZZ/ but the reason I had assumed it wasn't working was because nothing appeared in /dev when I put the card in
[21:12] <leftyfb> <~~~ chump
[21:12] <TJ-> poor lefty :)
[21:12] <yonaikerlol> Hello :D
[21:13] <TJ-> fds: YAY, so you've got the device :) /dev/mmcblk0
[21:13] <leftyfb> my god that's so much nicer I can't get over it
[21:13] <TJ-> fds: I wish all issues were as easy as yours
[21:13] <TJ-> leftyfb: I generally do "sudo dmesg -C; dmesg -w"
[21:13] <OerHeks> fds, that rtl 8411 only r/w SDHC
[21:15] <alecarnevale> anyone can help me with notification issue?
[21:16] <fds> OerHeks: That's okay, that's what I've got. :-)
[21:17] <fds> TJ-: Thanks for your help!  I'm glad I didn't cause you too much trouble
[21:19] <tesuji>  /quit
[21:27] <gvvg__> Hi I created a service that needs to run as a specific user but when I enable it  and it runs - it always generates a permission denied and then disables itself because it says start request repeated too quickly
[21:28] <gvvg__> https://pastebin.com/feJQ1i6b
[21:28] <gvvg__> can anyone see why this won't run as user gilbert?
[21:31] <nacc> gvvg__: where is that file being installed?
[21:31] <gvvg__> --> /etc/systemd/system
[21:31] <TJ-> gvvg__: likely the user gilbert doesn't have permissions to write to some directories/files; try running geth manually as user gilbert
[21:34] <gvvg__> thanks - sorry for the stupid question :)
[21:36] <nacc> gvvg__: ok, just making sure you were doing a system service; i'd check what TJ- said
[21:36] <akik> gvvg__: errors go to the systemd journal: "journalctl -xef"
[21:36] <gvvg__> yes it works now that I fixed the perms on the file in question
[21:37] <energizer> Does ubuntu come with curl?
[21:38] <TJ-> !info curl | energizer
[21:38] <dax> energizer: it isn't pre-installed. it's in the repositories (so sudo apt-get install curl)
[21:38] <energizer> ok
[21:39] <mark721> hi guys
[21:40] <mark721> So I was having odd sounds coming from my hard drive (about 3 months ago when it started) i looked into it yet i didnt really find a fix and everything seemed fine so i left it.
[21:40] <mark721> today i realised the sound is a tad sharper https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/7zqoqq/hard_drive_making_weird_sounds/ so i made that post.
[21:41] <mark721> now i put my pc to "Suspend" and then when i pressed on the keyboard to leave suspend
[21:41] <mark721> it started up and then it said
[21:42] <mark721> kernel: [ 3542.651133] pciehp 0000:00:1c.0:pcie004: link training error: status 0x1001
[21:42] <mark721> kernel: [ 3542.651137] pciehp 0000:00:1c.0:pcie004: Failed to check link status
[21:43] <mark721> And then went back into suspend
[21:43] <mark721> im really worried my hard drive is gonna die - any advice pls
[21:43] <gicultra> sicilia
[21:44] <OerHeks> mark721, check out the s.m.a.r.t. info in disks utility, if that gives bad result; replace hdd
[21:45] <kostkon> mark721, how old is the HDD
[21:45] <mark721> 2.5 years old
[21:45] <compdoc> SMART will tell you if its dying
[21:45] <OerHeks> coulbe anything, from bad sectors to spinn up issues
[21:45] <mark721> what is disks utility?
[21:45] <mark721> i checked on ubuntu and i cant find it
[21:46] <compdoc> program that comes with
[21:46] <compdoc> type is disk
[21:46] <compdoc> in the search
[21:46] <compdoc> in
[21:46] <mark721> then?
[21:46] <compdoc> theres a little menu with 3 bars
[21:47] <compdoc> select smart
[21:47] <compdoc> depends on the ubun tu version
[21:47] <mark721> I only have Disk Usage Analyser, Disks, and startup disk analyzer
[21:47] <mark721> i have 16.04
[21:47] <compdoc> disks
[21:47]  * OerHeks facepalms
[21:47] <katnip> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-unity-8-desktop-revived-by-ubports-with-support-for-ubuntu-18-04-lts-519890.shtml
[21:48] <foddo> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda > smart-results.txt
[21:48] <katnip> i thought unity was out
[21:48] <compdoc> I mean the 3 bars depends on the ubuntu version. older version use a diff icon
[21:48] <nacc> katnip: not ontopic for this channel, afaict
[21:48] <katnip> huh?
[21:48] <nacc> katnip: unity8 is not in 18.04, and the above link is about ubports
[21:49] <mark721> um btw should i do short extended or conveyance/
[21:49] <compdoc> cant wait to see 18.04
[21:49] <nacc> katnip: further, this is the support channel, not the post-a-news-article channel :)
[21:49] <mark721> I assume I do self test right, should I pick short, extended or conveyance?
[21:50] <foddo> short should be fine.
[21:50] <OerHeks> sad to read they don't publish a proper ppa..
[21:50] <katnip> nacc,  you made your point, no need to drive it home
[21:50] <compdoc> mark721. no
[21:50] <compdoc> no need for tests
[21:50] <mark721> oh
[21:50] <mark721> i started it already LOL
[21:50] <compdoc> just read reallocated sectors, pending secotrs
[21:51] <lordcirth_work> Do note that SMART does not catch all impending failures, test or no
[21:51] <lordcirth_work> Always have backups
[21:51] <compdoc> shuold deiplay the health
[21:51] <compdoc> display
[21:51] <SimonNL> should*
[21:51] <daleosmond> Test
[21:52] <mark721> lordcirth_work, thank you
[21:52] <mark721> compdoc, see this pls https://imgur.com/a/2GlIm
[21:52] <ConkyAxis> Test...
[21:53] <compdoc> mark721, looks fine
[21:53] <mark721> phew
[21:53] <compdoc> only 6 months powered on
[21:53] <compdoc> partically new
[21:53] <mark721> what does the 6months thing mean?
[21:54] <compdoc> how many hours its been powered on
[21:54] <mark721> OH in hours
[21:54] <mark721> i thought it was when i got it LOL
[21:54] <mark721> i was like thats not right.
[21:54] <OerHeks> hdd's fail in a few weeks, or after 5 years
[21:54] <mark721> um ok so
[21:54] <mark721> Ok lets assume the hard drive is fine for now
[21:54] <Jordan_U> mark721: I would take bad sounds as a strong sign that the drive is close to failing, even if all S.M.A.R.T. tests pass.
[21:55] <Jordan_U> mark721: Do you keep good backups of all important data that's on this drive?
[21:55] <compdoc> does the drive making seeking noises or wierd noises?
[21:55] <blkadder> Yes, SMART isn't bullet proof by any means...
[21:55] <OerHeks> sounds like unregular spinn ups or ticks..
[21:55] <blkadder> If you are lucky it will inform you of a failing drive. :-)
[21:55] <mark721> compdoc, i put a link to the sound in the reddit link
[21:55] <compdoc> oh
[21:56] <mark721> i actually can't tell you what it sounds like
[21:56] <s10gopal> can anyone please help me with visual studio code ?
[21:56] <mark721> because i don't know what spinning sounds like
[21:56] <mark721> lol
[21:56] <mark721> https://clyp.it/w01cw4i0 here is the sound file compdoc
[21:56] <mark721> Jordan_U, sorry i forgot to reply lol there is no way that i can identify the location of the sound
[21:57] <mark721> it could be from the fan
[21:57] <blkadder> Yeah
[21:57] <blkadder> That's what it sounds like
[21:57] <compdoc> that sound on reddit doesnt seem to play
[21:57] <mark721> its super quiet
[21:57] <mark721> put ur speakers on full blast lol
[21:57] <blkadder> Sounds like a noisy fan to me...
[21:58] <mark721> blkadder, it only happens on boot
[21:58] <mark721> ONLY
[21:58] <blkadder> Well, open up the box and identify the source....
[21:58] <mark721> or very minor when exiting "Suspend"
[21:58] <mark721> ok one thing
[21:58] <mark721> so the main reason i came to irc was because i came to leave suspend and for the first time it didn't,
[21:59] <mark721> it literally started up and did the ubuntu loading and then i saw
[21:59] <mark721> some error and then it went back into suspend
[21:59] <mark721> what happend/
[21:59] <compdoc> hard to say what the sound is. open the computer and unplug the drive then power on
[22:00] <mark721> ok will do
[22:00] <mark721> kernel: [ 3542.651133] pciehp 0000:00:1c.0:pcie004: link training error: status 0x1001
[22:00] <mark721> kernel: [ 3542.651137] pciehp 0000:00:1c.0:pcie004: Failed to check link status
[22:00] <mark721> those were the errors i got
[22:00] <mark721> and the pc went back to sleep/suspend
[22:00] <mark721> this has never happend
[22:00] <mark721> *befroe
[22:00] <mark721> before*
[22:01] <compdoc> stuff hapens
[22:01] <mark721> so what ignore it? i mean i was just thinking maybe it has a link to the hard drive
[22:01] <compdoc> lol, no. find out what it is
[22:01] <mark721> oh right since u said stuff happens i thought u meant just forget it lol
[22:01] <mark721> im talking about why the pc didnt exit sleep mode btw
[22:02] <mark721> (not about the hard drive )
[22:02] <mark721> (although the reason MAYBE linked)
[22:02] <compdoc> well, sometimes glitches do happen, but the noise I meant. find out what that is
[22:02] <mark721> i will, but i was asking about the new issue lol
[22:02] <mark721> any ideas why it didnt leave suspend
[22:02] <TJ-> mark721: "link training error" from the PCI-E Hot Plug driver is not related to the disk drive
[22:02] <compdoc> I dont use suspend, so maybe the oldtimers in here...
[22:03] <mark721> TJ-, so what happend?
[22:03] <mark721> TJ-, why did the pc choose not to leave sleep mode
[22:03] <mark721> well it woke up but went back to sleep lol
[22:03] <TJ-> mark721: No idea! You think I'm telepathic with your PC?
[22:03] <OerHeks> suspend/hybernate can give vary results, this looks like wifi link is not up
[22:03] <TJ-> mark721: usually there's bug in the system's ACPI firmware interfaces
[22:04] <CoJaBo> What is the "usual method" of setting up a secure fileserver under Ubuntu?
[22:04] <OerHeks> such re-connect can take up to 10 sec+
[22:04] <mark721> OerHeks, TJ- thanks :)
[22:04] <mark721> only one issue
[22:04] <mark721> actually nvm
[22:04] <mark721> thanks guys i will try and open it up asap
[22:05] <OerHeks> CoJaBo, read some hardening guides, like https://github.com/dpolitis/Ubuntu-Xenial-Security/
[22:05] <CoJaBo> OerHeks: Is there an official/up to date guide?
[22:05] <mark721> compdoc, ty too :P
[22:06] <OerHeks> sure, our wiki.. https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/security.html
[22:07] <CoJaBo> OerHeks: so, nothign about file serving then? :/
[22:08] <OerHeks> oh, there are many options, owncloud, nfs share, samba ..
[22:08] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[22:08] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[22:09] <CoJaBo> I'm currently running Samba over ssh, bacause that's what was needed to connect Windows systems; but it's terrible in most ways
[22:09] <akik> CoJaBo: openssh has a internal-sftp component which you can use. it can chroot the directory on the server
[22:09] <OerHeks> that also :-)
[22:09] <arooni> easy way to convert a .mkv file to .m4a ?
[22:10] <OerHeks> but you got me triggerd on 'secure'
[22:10] <CrazyH> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04. Crap! I just made the classic mistake of screwing up my sudoers file and I have no root login setup. Please tell me that there is some reasonable way to fix this :-/ Maybe running an install / repair DVD?
[22:10] <nacc> CrazyH: you can always boot a live usb and fix it
[22:10] <CoJaBo> OerHeks: Secure as in "can be used over the Internet", in this case
[22:10] <nacc> CoJaBo: "over the Internet" as in via a browser?
[22:10] <nacc> CoJaBo: or do you mean remotely?
[22:10] <nacc> CoJaBo: if just the latter why not just ssh directly?
[22:10] <CrazyH> nacc, awesome! any specific one recommended?
[22:11] <OerHeks> maybe an owncloud instance is the best secure way of running a service
[22:11] <nacc> CrazyH: i mean, the one that is for your OS (so in your case 16.04)
[22:11] <nacc> OerHeks: i believe it's snapped as well
[22:12] <OerHeks> https://www.linuxbabe.com/cloud-storage/install-nextcloud-server-ubuntu-16-04-via-snap
[22:13] <TJ-> CrazyH: you can reboot and at the boot-loader choose Advanced sub-menu then select a Recovery option
[22:13] <OerHeks> maybe an idea to not run on port 80 .. https://askubuntu.com/questions/795064/how-to-configure-port-number-for-owncloud-snap-install
[22:13] <OerHeks> :-D
[22:13] <CrazyH> TJ-, Thanks! I'll give that a shot
[22:13] <TJ-> CrazyH: tap on Escape key at boot-time to get the boot-loader menu
[22:14] <TJ-> CrazyH: when you use Recovery it'll take you to the 'friendly recovery' text menu, choose the "root shell" option. To make changes you may need to make the root FS read/write first with "mount -o remount-rw /"
[22:17] <akik> TJ-: remount,rw
[22:18] <akik> i wonder why the recovery mode hasn't got any love. it'd be nice that you could use it more easily
[22:18] <TJ-> haha, yeah, I was thinking of errors=
[22:18] <akik> the root fs mount, network starting
[22:18] <TJ-> It's got worse recently... it spontaneously reappears over the top of an active root shell session quite frequently; it's been annoying me a lot
[22:19] <akik> wow
[22:20] <TJ-> it's like it's on a short timeout (1 minute-ish) then the ncurses menu gets redrawn so you think it's exited the shell but the shell is still active, I'm not quite sure if it's a plymouth thing or something else
[22:21] <colemickens> When I copy the ubuntu 17.10.1 iso to a jump drive, "casper" is a file, not a directory. Yet, when I look at the ISO directly, it is a directory.
[22:21] <colemickens> How is this possible / what am I doing wrong? I'm simply using `dd` to copy the ISO as I do with any normal distro image.
[22:21] <TJ-> We should also have a sudo.service that resets the suders to the last setting automatically after a timeout if some user doesn't confirm it's still working
[22:22] <sabrehagen> Hi all, I'm encountering this error after an apt update: "relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0: symbol _ZNKSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEE7compareERKS4_, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference"
[22:23] <colemickens> The 16.04 iso works correctly. After 'dd'ing it, I have a 'casper' directory.
[22:23] <sabrehagen> I've tried all top google results but haven't found  afix
[22:23] <sabrehagen> here's my install log: https://gist.github.com/sabrehagen/7dea11d531dafe18f35e8bf935e7b8de
[22:23] <sabrehagen> Can anyone advise me please?
[22:24] <TJ-> sabrehagen: Zesty is no longer supported
[22:24] <katnip> is 16.04.4 coming in march?
[22:25] <sabrehagen> TJ-: yes, that's why I was trying to upgrade to get off it
[22:25] <nacc> katnip: yes
[22:26] <TJ-> sabrehagen: oh, sorry, didn't see the last but 1 line amongst all that
[22:27] <sabrehagen> TJ-: do you have advice as to how I can fix my current situation so that I can get back to a supported version?
[22:27] <akik> sabrehagen: this page seems to have some more information about the relocation error: https://askubuntu.com/questions/777803/apt-relocation-error-version-glibcxx-3-4-21-not-defined-in-file-libstdc-so-6
[22:27] <akik> sabrehagen: at least the versions match
[22:27] <sabrehagen> akik: thanks - have been there and tried all solutions - no luck
[22:28] <TJ-> sabrehagen: researching it, give me a mo
[22:29] <mtdms> i hate windows, i love linux, but i need to use it because i need aspel software and it runs only in windows, is there a solution? virtualbox?
[22:30] <sabrehagen> TJ-: thank you!
[22:30] <mtdms> what can i do that situation?
[22:31] <compdoc> does aspel software require fast video? vms arent great for that
[22:31] <TJ-> sabrehagen: OK, in a 17.04 container here the file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 does contain the symbol _ZNKSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEE7compareERKS4_ so that tells us it's likely your system has a broken/different libstdc++
[22:31] <Outy> WeeChat in RetroTerm: http://i.imgur.com/Bnx39I8.png  ;o)
[22:31] <sabrehagen> TJ-: great debug technique :)
[22:32] <TJ-> sabrehagen: which version of that package is installed? "dpkg -l  libstdc++6 "
[22:32] <TJ-> sabrehagen: I see  6.3.0-12ubuntu2
[22:33] <sabrehagen> TJ-: 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.9
[22:33] <TJ-> sabrehagen: ouch, and it even has "16.04" in it's name, which makes me wonder why it was never upgraded
[22:34] <nacc> TJ-: that would come from a ppa
[22:34] <nacc> almost certainly
[22:34] <nacc> oh wait
[22:34] <nacc> i see it's the version in xenial-security
[22:35] <nacc> sabrehagen: how did you go to zesty?
[22:35] <CoJaBo> nacc: I've also used sshfs, but it implodes if the connection flakes out
[22:35] <TJ-> sabrehagen: what does this report? "apt-cache policy libstdc++6"
[22:35] <sabrehagen> nacc: probably a sudo apt-get upgrade a while back
[22:35] <sabrehagen> TJ-: apt-cache: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0: symbol _ZNKSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEE7compareERKS4_, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference
[22:35] <CrazyH> Damn! I tried using the grub advanced boot option, but it's too unstable. Just about the time I start making progress in a root shell it freaks out and completely breaks :-/
[22:36] <sabrehagen> TJ-: catch 22
[22:36] <CrazyH> Trying to fix my broken sudoers file
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[22:36] <nacc> CrazyH: why are you using advanced boot? just boot a live usb
[22:36] <nacc> sabrehagen: well that's not how you upgrade release anymore
[22:36] <OerHeks> !spam | two
[22:36] <CrazyH> I'm currently download a DSL iso to throw on a CD ( because a blank CD is all that I have ). Hopefully that will give me a stable root terminal
[22:37] <sabrehagen> nacc: how is the method now?
[22:38] <nacc> sabrehagen: do-release-upgrade
[22:38] <CoJaBo> Which is better/more-typical then? sshfs, or NFS over.. OpenVPN I guess?
[22:38] <sere> Question? is swap needed on a install to usb/portable.. i would think even more sence its portable
[22:38] <TJ-> sabrehagen: Let's try manually installed the correct version, can't make it much worse! "wget http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-6/libstdc++6_6.3.0-12ubuntu2_amd64.deb ; sudo dpkg -i libstdc++6_6.3.0-12ubuntu2_amd64.deb"
[22:38] <CoJaBo> You'd think there'd be a guide for one of those :/
[22:38] <tapanik> i installed ubunru 16.04 , now audio and bluetooth works fine
[22:39] <akik> CoJaBo: you don't like the openssh solution?
[22:39] <CoJaBo> akik: wouldn't that be sshfs? Or did you mean something different..
[22:39] <TJ-> sabrehagen: if that works that should allow apt tools to recover
[22:39] <akik> sere: no it's not needed
[22:39] <sabrehagen> TJ-: no recovery
[22:39] <tapanik> ubuntu lost bluetooth signal and audio was off, soundcard works fine
[22:39] <sabrehagen> dpkg -l lists 6.3.0-12ubuntu2
[22:40] <sabrehagen> apt-cache gets the same error
[22:40] <akik> CoJaBo: openssh server daemon can be used to transfer files (sftp)
[22:40] <CoJaBo> akik: It does actually need to appear as a mounted filesystem
[22:40] <raparkhurst> hi
[22:40] <akik> CoJaBo: the same process that handles the secure terminal access can be used to transfer files
[22:41] <akik> CoJaBo: ok then sshfs
[22:41] <sere> akik: crap, next time lol. i heard its only needed if you run out.. thank you :)
[22:42] <akik> sere: it would make your system really slow if it started using swap on the usb stick
[22:42] <raparkhurst> is there a way I can specify an xorg setup to always follow?  I have two monitors -- one vertical, one horizontal.  GDM always loads on the vertical one so it's always flipped a bit.  Once i login, the session loads the settings fine, but it'd be nice to have this always be the case?
[22:42] <TJ-> sabrehagen: in theory, a fresh invocation of the command should work since it'll link to the new version
[22:42] <raparkhurst> or get GDM to use the other monitor for user login
[22:42] <CoJaBo> akik: sshfs isn't reliable enough, was the problem; if the connection flakes out and it disconnects, it's a PITA to get it to automatically reconnect
[22:43] <akik> CoJaBo: you can also put the sshfs mount under autofs. not sure though if your network is flaky if it helps
[22:44] <sabrehagen> TJ-: I checked for the presence of _ZNKSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEE7compareERKS4_ and it exists now
[22:44] <TJ-> sabrehagen: I wonder if you'd be safe to try a reboot ?
[22:44] <sabrehagen> That's what I'm most afraid of...
[22:44] <TJ-> sabrehagen: :D
[22:45] <TJ-> sabrehagen: I don't see anything that should be a problem, only that apt issue with the symbol
[22:45] <sere> raparkhurst: i had i setup similar to this.. it was awhile ago i believe i just used xorg.conf with fluxbox to handle to workstation/screen/apps
[22:46] <raparkhurst> Hrm...let me give that a try...
[22:46] <CoJaBo> akik: Might be worth a try, but it seems like that's mainly to automount on use; nothing says for sure it'll handle a dropped connection
[22:47] <mtdms> compdoc: no, its for business management
[22:47] <sabrehagen> TJ-: won't all other programs that rely on that library be affected?
[22:47] <TJ-> sabrehagen: well it's got the 'proper' version now so they should get on better
[22:48] <TJ-> sabrehagen: but so far you only know of apt having a problem when called from do-release-upgrade presumably
[22:48] <mtdms> compdoc; sorry for not answering at time, i was on phone
[22:48] <ziesemer> I'm on 17.10, having upgraded and not yet converted to Netplan.  Looking to better understand how an "iface ... manual" declaration (vs. "dhcp") declaration in /etc/network/interfaces still runs dhclient and uses DHCP - and how to get it to not.  (I don't want dhcp, I don't want static - I want manual...)
[22:48] <TJ-> sabrehagen: sorry, apt -> apt-get having the problem
[22:48] <mtdms> i dont like windows, but that kind of situations i need to use it
[22:49] <TJ-> ziesemer: are you sure it's not network-manager, or systemd-networkd, doing that?
[22:49] <CoJaBo> Is NFS better/worse than that? It seems like it'd be more common, but it's strange the guide doesn't seem to mention any possibility of running it remote at all :/
[22:50] <OerHeks> mtdms, if wine/playonlinux give no solution, vm is your last resort, virtualbox/vmware
[22:50] <ziesemer> TJ-: systemctl status on both of those show disabled and dead.
[22:50] <mtdms> virtualitation?
[22:51] <mtdms> OerHeks: thanks
[22:51] <sabrehagen> TJ-: can i see which files rely on libstdc++6?
[22:51] <mtdms> do you guys can use linux without needing mac os or windows?
[22:51] <sabrehagen> *files -> binaries
[22:51] <TJ-> ziesemer: did you check if there's another config in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ taking effect?
[22:51] <ziesemer> TJ-: The PPID on dhclient is 1 - so I was assuming it would be systemd somehow...
[22:52] <akik> CoJaBo: you'll be in a world of pain with nfs and flaky connections
[22:52] <ziesemer> TJ-: That dir is empty.
[22:52] <akik> CoJaBo: is the connectivity really a big problem for you? try to fix it first
[22:53] <raparkhurst> sere: thanks, i'm an idiot...i thought I'd done that before @ xorg.conf file, but I guess not (or put it in the wrong place)
[22:53] <TJ-> sabrehagen: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6HTh6mhXXV/
[22:53] <TJ-> ziesemer: OK, so the obvious culprits aren't in use. Can you pastebin the interfaces file?
[22:54] <TJ-> ziesemer: also, find out if you can identify why process started dhclient with "ps -efly | grep dhclient"
[22:54] <sabrehagen> TJ-: so using that list as inspiration, if i start firefox it gets the same error
[22:55] <sabrehagen> to be expected...
[22:55] <sabrehagen> Why would rebooting resolve this, and is there any way I can simulate that without an actual reboot?
[22:55] <ziesemer> TJ-: S root      2190     1  0  80   0  3000  4056 -      Feb22 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/dhclient -1 -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.4.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.4.leases -I -df /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient6.eth0.4.leases eth0.4
[22:55] <TJ-> sabrehagen: I think reboot. It can't make matters worse, and should cure it entirely
[22:56] <sabrehagen> TJ-: I don't have a live usb handy to save myself
[22:56] <sabrehagen> Which would make matters worse
[22:56] <ziesemer> Maybe I can't disable dhclient on the IPv6 half without doing the same on the IPv4 half?
[22:57] <TJ-> ziesemer: that's a very 'complete' command-line, which suggests it's controlled by the init system (systemd). check "systemctl status dhclient"
[22:57] <ziesemer> (I also need to prototype this on a VM without messing on my live server.)
[22:57] <sere_> raparkhurst: np lol.. let me know if you have and questions. i believe it took me like three days to get everything right haha but pretty much you can do anything
[22:57] <ziesemer> TJ-: Unit dhclient.service could not be found.
[22:57] <TJ-> ziesemer: that is possible, but I'd have thought it unlikely. operating 1 without the other is common
[22:58] <TJ-> ziesemer: hmmm, how about "systemctl status | grep dhclient" :D
[22:58] <TJ-> sabrehagen: there's the recovery boot option if it gets hairy
[22:58] <ziesemer> Specifically, I need to get the wide dhcp6 client working to request a /56 prefix, as the current version of the isc client in Ubuntu does not yet support such.  Assuming I need to stop dhclient first to avoid conflicts.
[22:59] <idodets> My ubuntu launcher and menu bar dissapeared now after installing updates, any advice? Running 16.04 lts, I think this might be related to this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/992571/gui-unity-crashing-in-16-04-lts-after-updates-2018-01-04-compiz-segfaults
[22:59] <TJ-> ziesemer: oh, hang on, there might be way... *goes off to read the man pages*
[22:59] <colemickens_> Does anyone know why 16.04 ISO contains a 'casper' dir that persists after burning with 'dd'... but 17.10 ISO includes a casper dir... but after 'dd' ing, it becomes a file on the USB drive?
[22:59] <sere_> raparkhurst: i think ubuntu by default deletes xorg.conf but you can still still make one and then edit the fluxbox or openbox's init for the workstations,apps,screens etc
[22:59] <colemickens_> This sounds like user error, but I can't find anything I'm doing wrong, it's a single dd command...
[23:00] <ziesemer> TJ-: Good luck.  I did read - but hopefully missed something!
[23:00] <TJ-> sabrehagen: run "sudo ldconfig"
[23:00] <TJ-> ziesemer: sorry! I tab-completed wrongly; that comment was for sabrehagen
[23:01] <sere_> raparkhurst: you can probably use whatever desktop manager you like though not sure how
[23:01] <TJ-> sabrehagen: after ldconfig try firefox or apt-get again
[23:02] <ziesemer> TJ: systemd parent is ifup@eth0.4.service .  (Had to search manually, grep was hiding the parent...)
[23:03] <sabrehagen> TJ-: no luck :|
[23:03] <TJ-> sabrehagen: do a reboot :)
[23:03] <sabrehagen> I'm too afraid - I may never come back!
[23:05] <TJ-> sabrehagen: OK, well what else is there? you've got an out-of-support system with libraries apparently from 2 releases (16.04 and 17.04) that won't run the tools to do-release-upgrade to 17.10 due to the breakage?
[23:06] <sabrehagen> Get back to 16.04 state?
[23:06] <TJ-> sabrehagen: how about downloading the 17.10 ISO first and burning it to a DVD, or dd-ing it to a USB flash device?
[23:06] <sabrehagen> TJ-: I'm in the process of that now :)
[23:07] <TJ-> sabrehagen: not possible; if that system is predominantly 17.04 it can't go backwards.
[23:07] <TJ-> sabrehagen: OK, do that then you can if neeed repair from a Live environment with a chroot mount of the broken install
[23:07] <sabrehagen> TJ-: okay, thanks for the all the help :)
[23:08] <TJ-> sabrehagen: good luck - I think you're going to be in for a long night
[23:13] <ycyclist> Does anyone out there have a feeling for the quality of kvm?  So far it seems far less productive than vbox or docker to me.
[23:14] <colemickens_> wat
[23:14] <nacc> ycyclist: kvm is a technology
[23:14] <colemickens_> kvm, vbox and docker are wildly different things
[23:14] <nacc> ycyclist: and is totally unrelated to the other two
[23:15] <ycyclist> So far kvm seems like an old dying dog compared to vbox for making a simple ubuntu vm on an ubuntu host.
[23:16] <nacc> ycyclist: well, no one would use kvm directly for that (imo)
[23:16] <nacc> ycyclist: you'd use a cloud image, and possibly uvtool
[23:16] <colemickens_> Or libvirt+virt-manager if you want point-and-click.
[23:16] <ycyclist> Thank you.  That differs from my instructions, oddly.
[23:16] <colemickens_> I think PV support for Windows/vbox was better for a while, but I don't think anymore.
[23:17] <colemickens_> In my mind there's no reason to use vbox unless you need vagrant, where the boxes basically only ever work with vbox.
[23:17] <nacc> colemickens_: yeah good point
[23:17] <nacc> ycyclist: kvm is (in some ways) nothing more than qemu
[23:18] <ycyclist> I was using virt-manager.
[23:18] <nacc> ycyclist: you really don't want to use qemu directly :)
[23:18]  * colemickens_ has never even heard of uvtool somehow.
[23:18]  * colemickens_ also forgot he was in #ubuntu :)
[23:18] <nacc> colemickens_: it's the 'official' (currently) ubuntu virtualization frontned to libvirt/kvm
[23:18] <nacc> colemickens_: works really well for spinning up cloud images
[23:18] <nacc> the command is uvt-kvm
[23:19] <nacc> and it uses simplestreams data to know about images
[23:19] <akik> nacc: never say never :) i use kvm to test installation images :)
[23:19] <nacc> akik: yeah, i was going to say there is one case i can think of
[23:19] <ycyclist> By cloud, do you mean AWS, or some other vendor, or am I being dumb about something?
[23:19] <nacc> ycyclist: any of them, cloud images are made by Canonical for all Ubuntu releases
[23:23] <Outy> sorry to have to ask, but i don't get it: how do i write a shell script to open xfce4-terminal and execute the command mpv in this opened terminal ?
[23:25] <nacc> Outy: why would you do that?
[23:25] <sabrehagen> TJ-: I've downloaded a 17.10.1 iso to /boot/grml, have started a ubuntu:16.04 container and mounted /boot. If I run update-grub from inside the container, should everything be fine? e.g. will the hdX mappings be correct?
[23:25] <nacc> Outy: instead of just running mpv?
[23:26] <sabrehagen> I'm using the container because most binaries fail with the previous error we discussed
[23:28] <Outy> nacc: want to see the output in a terminal window when i shedule it as a job
[23:29] <Outy> nacc: I tried this: xfce4-terminal -e --maximize -h --command=mpv http://somafm.com/live130.pls
[23:30] <Outy> nacc: first line of script is #!/bin(/bash
[23:30] <akik> Outy: does that command work from a terminal?
[23:31] <nacc> Outy: schedule it?
[23:31] <Outy> akik: no
[23:31] <Outy> akik: i don't know why
[23:31] <akik> Outy: so it won't work from a  script either
[23:32] <nacc> Outy: almost certainly you need some quoting fro the command
[23:32] <nacc> right now the command is 'mpv' and you're passing the url to xfce4-terminal
[23:32] <akik> Outy: first line: "#!/bin/bash", second line "your command", then chmod +x your_script
[23:33] <Outy> akik: i know this will work... but it wont open a terminal windows and execute the command inside it. it will just run mpv and i cannot see the output of mpv
[23:33] <akik> Outy: usually with terminals, the command comes after the "-e"
[23:34] <akik> Outy: i don't have xfce installed here so can't test
[23:34] <genii> Remember to put a & after your command
[23:34] <nacc> Outy: if your script is just the xfce4-terminal command you pastedd above, then that's wrong
[23:35] <nacc> as I just said, you need to quote the command almost certainly
[23:35] <akik> Outy: -e and --command are the same, don't use both
[23:35] <akik> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/artful/man1/xfce4-terminal.1.html
[23:36] <Outy> so help me here please... i want to run mpv from a script. mpv should run in a terminal window to see the output
[23:36] <akik> Outy: you need to first get it running from a terminal
[23:36] <akik> Outy: then copy that line verbatim into your script
[23:37] <akik> Outy: also why did you put "-h" there? :)
[23:38] <akik> Outy: maybe: xfce4-terminal --maximize -e "mpv http://somafm.com/live130.pls"
[23:39] <Outy> akik: thanks found out at the same time as you
[23:39] <Outy> akik: xfce4-terminal --maximize -x mpv http://somafm.com/live130.pls --record-file=/media/hal9000/SanDisk\ SDXC/Robert_Rich_Sleep_Concert.aac
[23:39] <akik> Outy: -x ?
[23:39] <nacc> akik: takes the remainer of the commandline to -e
[23:39] <nacc> https://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/command-line
[23:39] <ycyclist> Ok.  Thank you.
[23:40] <nacc> sort of like -- to other commands, it seems like
[23:40] <akik> yea i wasn't sure about those "
[23:40] <Outy> akik: -x = Execute the remainder of the command line inside the terminal
[23:40] <nacc> Outy: and what does that do?
[23:44] <Outy> oh man ... command line works, but when running from script it says failed to execute child process
[23:48] <akik> Outy: pastebin the script and the error you get when you run it to paste.ubuntu.com
[23:48] <akik> Outy: it'll give you a url back
[23:50] <Outy> akik: script http://i.imgur.com/VAHtHg6.png
[23:51] <akik> Outy: i think it should find the binaries, but maybe you need to add the full path to both xfce4-terminal and mpv
[23:51] <akik> Outy: "which xfce4-terminal" and "which mpv"
[23:52] <Outy> akik: now its working
[23:52] <Outy> akik: but i don't know why it was not working before
[23:53] <Outy> akik: maybe the ghost in the machine
[23:53] <colemickens_> Still confused why the "casper" dir in the 17.10 iso turns into a "casper" file when I use `dd` to copy to a USB drive.
[23:53] <akik> ghost in the SHELL
[23:53] <colemickens_> This, as one might imagine, breaks the bootloading process.
[23:53] <colemickens_> 16.10.3 works fine.
[23:53] <Outy> akik: command inside the cript is now: xfce4-terminal --maximize -x mpv http://somafm.com/live130.pls --record-file=/media/hal9000/SanDisk\ SDXC/Robert_Rich_Sleep_Concert.aac
[23:54] <Outy> akik: like before but I don't know what went wrong before
[23:54] <Outy> crazy stuff
[23:55] <Outy> i like terminal and command line... but sometimes    not ^^
[23:56] <Jordan_U> colemickens_: How are you mounting the filesystem after dding it? How are you deterimining that it's now a "file" rather than a directory?