[00:05] I'd like to announce tomorrow's meeting, but the Ubuntu Wiki won't login without timing out [00:10] There we go [00:14] ochosi: got any items for the meeting to add to the agenda? [00:15] Probably going to add a few things tonight [00:15] hmm [00:15] well there's the find-cursor thing you know about [00:15] that i would really like to push in [00:15] via a new settings release [00:15] or if not in time for FF, we could put it in as a patch and i then do a release a little later and we get that in more easily afer FF [00:22] ochosi: once you get it ready, I'll merge and release [00:23] almost there [00:23] great [00:23] just some small fixes for the non-composited version missing [00:23] feel free to test [00:23] I'll probably try to merge in some other recent fixes from 4.13 too [00:23] have a good night! [00:23] yup [00:23] you too! [02:46] Updated the meeting wiki page with latest updates I'm familiar with [02:50] Got the recent uploads? [14:26] flocculant, ta :) === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [18:40] dev.xubuntu.org is hard to reach at the moment, known issue https://status.linode.com/ [18:56] (seems to be better now) [22:40] evening all [22:40] hi bluesabre [22:40] !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting in 20 minutes [22:40] Xubuntu Community Meeting in 20 minutes: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [22:41] hi flocculant [22:41] good day? [22:42] that's currently up in the air [22:42] may need to leave the meeting early [22:42] oh dear [22:43] flocculant: refreshed my manifest diff for today's iso https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes [22:44] that's a handy list [22:45] :) [22:45] once I figure out how to nicely automate that (and improve on dokuwiki's poor table sorting) that page should stay up to date [22:46] not sure what the crack is with bug 1644917 - ochosi believes it's long fixed ... it's not ;) just one of those visual things but ... [22:46] bug 1644917 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Label missing from indicator-plugin clear option" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644917 [22:47] right - that'd be even handier :p [22:47] The other day I saw it actually show the label correctly, and then didn't [22:47] I've not seen it [22:47] http://archive.unit193.net/debian/bionic/xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.3.3-1vanir1_amd64.deb you could try that. [22:48] ever tbh - one of those things I don't do so wouldn't, but now I look every time I see that bug [22:48] ugh [22:49] gdebi just silently fails now apparently [22:49] that's pleasant [22:49] bluesabre: yea - but ubuntu don't care about it I guess [22:52] Unit193: yea - that one doesn't even give me to option to cancel or whatever is under the invisible label - it just went right ahead and cleared them :D [22:53] That's Bionic+a few commits [22:54] well one of the commits makes it jfdi then :D [22:57] - Make sure the "clear indicators" dialog works with libxfce4ui-4.13.x [22:59] :) [23:00] o/ [23:01] Alrighty! [23:01] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [23:01] Meeting started Fri Feb 23 23:01:39 2018 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [23:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [23:01] !team | Meeeeeeting time :) [23:01] Meeeeeeting time :): team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [23:02] Who's around? [23:02] o/ [23:02] yup [23:02] yay [23:02] o/ [23:02] :D [23:03] We'll let the others roll in for a few [23:03] hopeful then :p [23:03] I try to be [23:03] I used to be like that [23:04] lol [23:04] That and I was wrapping up dinner [23:05] ha ha [23:05] Now we'll start [23:05] #topic Open action items [23:05] that almost sounded as if you made a burrito out of your dinner bluesabre [23:05] slickymaster: not a bad idea [23:05] #done bluesabre and ochosi to get on with it and include xfpm 1.6 [23:05] (thanks Unit193) [23:06] :) [23:06] #info postponed for bionic+1: bluesabre to reach out to pidgin devs regarding system themes [23:07] Fairly certain that [23:07] #done flocculant to mail list(s) re 17.04 EOL and draft blog post [23:07] happened [23:07] ye [23:07] #topic Updates and Announcements [23:07] #info Xubuntu Wallpaper Contest Open [23:08] #link https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-18-04-community-wallpaper-contest/ [23:08] nice [23:08] #info Xubuntu 18.04 Default Wallpaper Uploaded [23:08] (looks fancy) [23:08] need some submissions that aren't flowers :) [23:08] Or more flowers [23:08] and rocks [23:08] (ochosi) [23:09] Are most of them photos so far? [23:09] yeah [23:09] (submissions are public) [23:09] https://contest.xubuntu.org/wallpaper_contest/xubuntu-18-04-community-wallpaper-contest/?action=view [23:09] thought the rock one was the same as one from that site he liked last time [23:09] not sure [23:10] there was a request on social media for more original art ones, not just photos [23:10] I tried to do a watercolour thing in Gimp but it looks more like a blurry ball of rainbows [23:11] Tell them we'd gladly accept such contribution? [23:12] Unit193: "patches welcome" is not as friendly as you think it is ;) [23:12] #info lots of package updates since the beginning of bionic, a few recent ones: greybird-gtk-theme 3.22.6, xubuntu-icon-theme 18.04.1, catfish 1.4.4, lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.4, menulibre 2.1.5, xfce4-notifyd 0.4.1, xfce4-power-manager 1.6.1 [23:12] pleia2: yes, every time I say that I don't get patches [23:12] :) [23:12] That's because it's a polite brush off. :P [23:12] Woops [23:13] Any other updates/announcements? [23:14] Yes there are actually... [23:14] #info March 1: Feature Freeze, Debian Import Freeze [23:15] #info March 8: Beta 1 [23:15] Pretty sure we are participating in that [23:15] that's on my list of things to rabbit about [23:15] as is 16.04.4 [23:15] next week ... [23:16] which is why I'd not added them to the announcement bit :p [23:16] Good point [23:16] :) [23:17] Let's hop on over to that then [23:17] #topic Discussion [23:17] (get it, hop?) [23:17] Sorry [23:17] :) [23:17] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built. [23:18] Do we want to talk blueprints or general first? [23:18] don't mind - depending on time - up at stupid o'clock tomorrow :( [23:18] :( [23:19] Blueprints first then, shouldn't take long [23:19] #subtopic Blueprints [23:19] https://dev.xubuntu.org/ [23:19] We're looking a little rough this cycle [23:19] * flocculant wanders off for a bit as no qa bp \o/ [23:20] bluesabre: looks much the same as it did for the last cycle ;) [23:20] But there's probably more done than it appears [23:20] In fact, there definitely are [23:20] I need to update a few things [23:21] So if everybody just wants to poke around and refresh your BPs so we can target release day a bit better... ;) [23:22] I realize now that's not really a good discussion item [23:23] :D [23:23] flocculant: your turn to #subtopic and rabbit [23:23] #chair flocculant [23:23] Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant [23:23] #chair pleia2 [23:23] Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant pleia2 [23:23] #chair slickymaster [23:23] Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant pleia2 slickymaster [23:23] bluesabre: did you not want to libinput? [23:23] flocculant: decided it's not something to worry about for this cycle [23:24] ok [23:24] we'll probably have to go for it on bionic+1 so I think they are removing -synaptics [23:24] #subtopic 16.04.4 / Beta 1 18.04 [23:24] this is just forewarning everyone - with job I have now I can't guarantee marking for release [23:25] also not got much time to be testing each and every version and the tests [23:26] I suspect 16.04 is more or less just install smoketests [23:26] #subtopic numlockx [23:26] bug 1746556 [23:26] bug 1746556 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu needs a better num lock handler at login and during user session" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746556 [23:27] someone else apparently gets annoyed at having to do this each time they install, so that's at least 2 of us ... [23:27] thoughts on adding that and setting up the lightdm doodah to have it at login? [23:28] That seems reasonable to me [23:28] +1 [23:28] !info numlockx bionic [23:28] numlockx (source: numlockx): enable NumLock in X11 sessions. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-7 (bionic), package size 8 kB, installed size 68 kB [23:28] That also seems agreeable [23:28] though I tend to make my one a lot further on than 50-numlock.conf just in case :p [23:29] yea not very big at all :p [23:29] flocculant: so you currently use this in your config? [23:29] yup [23:29] neat [23:29] Sounds incredibly painless [23:29] have done for years as it never works without [23:29] yea - just a pita the first time :D [23:31] Will probably go ahead with that then, it seems like a value add and nothing more [23:31] thanks for bringing it up [23:31] bluesabre: only time it went wrong was when lightdm changed and you needed the [Seat} bit [23:31] no problem [23:31] * flocculant is done then [23:31] Anybody else got discussion items? [23:32] I'm - as always - concerned about the testing levels we 'apparently' get [23:32] Yeah [23:33] but bored by the discussion now tbf - as is everyone else I expect [23:33] #link http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [23:33] #subtopic Testing [23:33] then [23:33] to get some fresh views on that at least [23:33] :D [23:33] yay [23:33] It's really just the install media though, I activly run Bionic. [23:33] not sure what we can do about it though [23:33] Unit193: I know :) [23:34] hi Unit193 [23:34] trouble is - unless someone actively tells us we have no idea at all [23:34] and frankly someone could just go to the tracker on release day and mark it for release [23:36] bluesabre: not sure we'll ever get fresh views from the few of us in a meeting [23:36] because I'd have to assume we all want it done [23:37] There's still that one guy that emails me about Core ISOs, but that's unofficial stuff still. [23:37] yup [23:37] flocculant: let's plan for a call for testing and social media'ing everywhere [23:37] I'm sure there are people out there - I see pings from the u+1 channel [23:38] bluesabre: mmm [23:38] bored doing those pointlessly as well [23:40] maybe a nice detailed blog post instead [23:40] happy to coordinate on that [23:40] ok [23:41] pleia2, knome_: sound good to you? [23:41] yep [23:41] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built. [23:41] bluesabre: let me know when's good for you - but I need to afk now [23:41] #action flocculant and bluesabre to publish testing blogpost [23:41] ACTION: flocculant and bluesabre to publish testing blogpost [23:42] flocculant: we can follow up when you're next available :) [23:42] thanks for hanging around for the meeting [23:42] over weekend - later tomorrow, most of Sunday - evenings after 1900 utc [23:43] no problem - night all :) [23:43] nighty night flocculant [23:43] anybody else got anything to discuss? [23:43] nothing here [23:47] pleia2 Unit193? [23:47] nope, I'm good [23:48] I hope not, but if there is I'll just give you repeated pokes. [23:48] Sounds... painful [23:48] #topic Schedule next meeting [23:49] !info knome is next on the list, but if anybody wants to schedule one, go for it [23:49] 'is' is not a valid distribution: artful, artful-backports, artful-proposed, bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xen [23:49] er [23:49] #info knome is next on the list, but if anybody wants to schedule one, go for it [23:49] #endmeeting [23:49] Meeting ended Fri Feb 23 23:49:50 2018 UTC. [23:49] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-02-23-23.01.moin.txt [23:49] Thanks everybody! [23:50] thanks bluesabre [23:50] Sorry all about the build notifications, I started them before the meeting and only realized it was going to interrupt the meeting. [23:51] Unit193: no problem here, glad to see SwissBot alive and well [23:51] hehe [23:52] bluesabre: It doesn't ever stop in another channel, announcing all NEW packages in Debian. :3 [23:55] shew [23:55] minutes are up [23:56] Soo...Every time testing comes up, the tracker is brought up. I always think "But I'm actually running it day to day, doesn't that count?" [23:59] knome_: "Fix Released" doesn't seem to change anything on the tracker for bugs https://dev.xubuntu.org