[00:05] <bluesabre> I'd like to announce tomorrow's meeting, but the Ubuntu Wiki won't login without timing out
[00:10] <bluesabre> There we go
[00:14] <bluesabre> ochosi: got any items for the meeting to add to the agenda?
[00:15] <bluesabre> Probably going to add a few things tonight
[00:15] <ochosi> hmm
[00:15] <ochosi> well there's the find-cursor thing you know about
[00:15] <ochosi> that i would really like to push in
[00:15] <ochosi> via a new settings release
[00:15] <ochosi> or if not in time for FF, we could put it in as a patch and i then do a release a little later and we get that in more easily afer FF
[00:22] <bluesabre> ochosi: once you get it ready, I'll merge and release
[00:23] <ochosi> almost there
[00:23] <bluesabre> great
[00:23] <ochosi> just some small fixes for the non-composited version missing
[00:23] <ochosi> feel free to test
[00:23] <bluesabre> I'll probably try to merge in some other recent fixes from 4.13 too
[00:23] <bluesabre> have a good night!
[00:23] <ochosi> yup
[00:23] <ochosi> you too!
[02:46] <bluesabre> Updated the meeting wiki page with latest updates I'm familiar with
[02:50] <Unit193> Got the recent uploads?
[14:26] <knome> flocculant, ta :)
[18:40] <pleia2> dev.xubuntu.org is hard to reach at the moment, known issue https://status.linode.com/
[18:56] <pleia2> (seems to be better now)
[22:40] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:40] <flocculant> hi bluesabre 
[22:40] <bluesabre> !team | Xubuntu Community Meeting in 20 minutes
[22:41] <bluesabre> hi flocculant 
[22:41] <flocculant> good day?
[22:42] <bluesabre> that's currently up in the air
[22:42] <bluesabre> may need to leave the meeting early
[22:42] <flocculant> oh dear
[22:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: refreshed my manifest diff for today's iso https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes
[22:44] <flocculant> that's a handy list
[22:45] <bluesabre> :)
[22:45] <bluesabre> once I figure out how to nicely automate that (and improve on dokuwiki's poor table sorting) that page should stay up to date
[22:46] <flocculant> not sure what the crack is with bug 1644917 - ochosi believes it's long fixed ... it's not ;) just one of those visual things but ...
[22:47] <flocculant> right - that'd be even handier :p
[22:47] <bluesabre> The other day I saw it actually show the label correctly, and then didn't
[22:47] <flocculant> I've not seen it
[22:47] <Unit193> http://archive.unit193.net/debian/bionic/xfce4-indicator-plugin_2.3.3-1vanir1_amd64.deb you could try that.
[22:48] <flocculant> ever tbh - one of those things I don't do so wouldn't, but now I look every time I see that bug
[22:48] <flocculant> ugh 
[22:49] <flocculant> gdebi just silently fails now apparently
[22:49] <bluesabre> that's pleasant
[22:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - but ubuntu don't care about it I guess
[22:52] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - that one doesn't even give me to option to cancel or whatever is under the invisible label - it just went right ahead and cleared them :D
[22:53] <Unit193> That's Bionic+a few commits
[22:54] <flocculant> well one of the commits makes it jfdi then :D
[22:57] <Unit193>     - Make sure the "clear indicators" dialog works with libxfce4ui-4.13.x
[22:59] <flocculant> :)
[23:00] <pleia2> o/
[23:01] <bluesabre> Alrighty!
[23:01] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[23:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 23 23:01:39 2018 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[23:01] <bluesabre> !team | Meeeeeeting time :)
[23:02] <bluesabre> Who's around?
[23:02] <pleia2> o/
[23:02] <flocculant> yup
[23:02] <bluesabre> yay
[23:02] <slickymaster> o/
[23:02] <bluesabre> :D
[23:03] <bluesabre> We'll let the others roll in for a few
[23:03] <flocculant> hopeful then :p
[23:03] <bluesabre> I try to be
[23:03] <flocculant> I used to be like that
[23:04] <slickymaster> lol
[23:04] <bluesabre> That and I was wrapping up dinner
[23:05] <flocculant> ha ha 
[23:05] <bluesabre> Now we'll start
[23:05] <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
[23:05] <slickymaster> that almost sounded as if you made a burrito out of your dinner bluesabre 
[23:05] <bluesabre> slickymaster: not a bad idea
[23:05] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre and ochosi to get on with it and include xfpm 1.6
[23:05] <bluesabre> (thanks Unit193)
[23:06] <flocculant> :)
[23:06] <bluesabre> #info postponed for bionic+1: bluesabre to reach out to pidgin devs regarding system themes
[23:07] <bluesabre> Fairly certain that
[23:07] <bluesabre> #done flocculant to mail list(s) re 17.04 EOL and draft blog post
[23:07] <bluesabre> happened
[23:07] <flocculant> ye
[23:07] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements
[23:07] <bluesabre> #info Xubuntu Wallpaper Contest Open
[23:08] <pleia2> #link https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-18-04-community-wallpaper-contest/
[23:08] <bluesabre> nice
[23:08] <bluesabre> #info Xubuntu 18.04 Default Wallpaper Uploaded
[23:08] <bluesabre> (looks fancy)
[23:08] <pleia2> need some submissions that aren't flowers :)
[23:08] <bluesabre> Or more flowers
[23:08] <bluesabre> and rocks
[23:08] <bluesabre> (ochosi)
[23:09] <genii> Are most of them photos so far?
[23:09] <pleia2> yeah
[23:09] <pleia2> (submissions are public)
[23:09] <bluesabre> https://contest.xubuntu.org/wallpaper_contest/xubuntu-18-04-community-wallpaper-contest/?action=view
[23:09] <flocculant> thought the rock one was the same as one from that site he liked last time
[23:09] <bluesabre> not sure
[23:10] <pleia2> there was a request on social media for more original art ones, not just photos
[23:10] <genii> I tried to do a watercolour thing in Gimp but it looks more like a blurry ball of rainbows
[23:11] <Unit193> Tell them we'd gladly accept such contribution?
[23:12] <pleia2> Unit193: "patches welcome" is not as friendly as you think it is ;)
[23:12] <bluesabre> #info lots of package updates since the beginning of bionic, a few recent ones: greybird-gtk-theme 3.22.6, xubuntu-icon-theme 18.04.1, catfish 1.4.4, lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.4, menulibre 2.1.5, xfce4-notifyd 0.4.1, xfce4-power-manager 1.6.1
[23:12] <bluesabre> pleia2: yes, every time I say that I don't get patches
[23:12] <bluesabre> :)
[23:12] <Unit193> That's because it's a polite brush off. :P
[23:12] <bluesabre> Woops
[23:13] <bluesabre> Any other updates/announcements?
[23:14] <bluesabre> Yes there are actually...
[23:14] <bluesabre> #info March 1: Feature Freeze, Debian Import Freeze
[23:15] <bluesabre> #info March 8: Beta 1
[23:15] <bluesabre> Pretty sure we are participating in that
[23:15] <flocculant> that's on my list of things to rabbit about
[23:15] <flocculant> as is 16.04.4
[23:15] <flocculant> next week ...
[23:16] <flocculant> which is why I'd not added them to the announcement bit :p
[23:16] <bluesabre> Good point
[23:16] <flocculant> :)
[23:17] <bluesabre> Let's hop on over to that then
[23:17] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[23:17] <bluesabre> (get it, hop?)
[23:17] <bluesabre> Sorry
[23:17] <flocculant> :)
[23:17] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[23:18] <bluesabre> Do we want to talk blueprints or general first?
[23:18] <flocculant> don't mind - depending on time - up at stupid o'clock tomorrow :(
[23:18] <bluesabre> :(
[23:19] <bluesabre> Blueprints first then, shouldn't take long
[23:19] <bluesabre> #subtopic Blueprints
[23:19] <bluesabre> https://dev.xubuntu.org/
[23:19] <bluesabre> We're looking a little rough this cycle
[23:19]  * flocculant wanders off for a bit as no qa bp \o/
[23:20] <flocculant> bluesabre: looks much the same as it did for the last cycle ;)
[23:20] <bluesabre> But there's probably more done than it appears
[23:20] <bluesabre> In fact, there definitely are
[23:20] <bluesabre> I need to update a few things
[23:21] <bluesabre> So if everybody just wants to poke around and refresh your BPs so we can target release day a bit better... ;)
[23:22] <bluesabre> I realize now that's not really a good discussion item
[23:23] <flocculant> :D
[23:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: your turn to #subtopic and rabbit
[23:23] <bluesabre> #chair flocculant
[23:23] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant
[23:23] <bluesabre> #chair pleia2 
[23:23] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant pleia2
[23:23] <bluesabre> #chair slickymaster 
[23:23] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre flocculant pleia2 slickymaster
[23:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you not want to libinput?
[23:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: decided it's not something to worry about for this cycle
[23:24] <flocculant> ok
[23:24] <bluesabre> we'll probably have to go for it on bionic+1 so I think they are removing -synaptics
[23:24] <flocculant> #subtopic 16.04.4 / Beta 1 18.04
[23:24] <flocculant> this is just forewarning everyone - with job I have now I can't guarantee marking for release
[23:25] <flocculant> also not got much time to be testing each and every version and the tests
[23:26] <flocculant> I suspect 16.04 is more or less just install smoketests 
[23:26] <flocculant> #subtopic numlockx
[23:26] <flocculant> bug 1746556
[23:27] <flocculant> someone else apparently gets annoyed at having to do this each time they install, so that's at least 2 of us ...
[23:27] <flocculant> thoughts on adding that and setting up the lightdm doodah to have it at login?
[23:28] <bluesabre> That seems reasonable to me
[23:28] <slickymaster> +1
[23:28] <bluesabre> !info numlockx bionic
[23:28] <bluesabre> That also seems agreeable
[23:28] <flocculant> though I tend to make my one a lot further on than 50-numlock.conf just in case :p
[23:29] <flocculant> yea not very big at all :p
[23:29] <bluesabre> flocculant: so you currently use this in your config?
[23:29] <flocculant> yup
[23:29] <bluesabre> neat
[23:29] <bluesabre> Sounds incredibly painless
[23:29] <flocculant> have done for years as it never works without
[23:29] <flocculant> yea - just a pita the first time :D
[23:31] <bluesabre> Will probably go ahead with that then, it seems like a value add and nothing more
[23:31] <bluesabre> thanks for bringing it up
[23:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: only time it went wrong was when lightdm changed and you needed the [Seat} bit
[23:31] <flocculant> no problem
[23:31]  * flocculant is done then 
[23:31] <bluesabre> Anybody else got discussion items?
[23:32] <flocculant> I'm - as always - concerned about the testing levels we 'apparently' get
[23:32] <bluesabre> Yeah
[23:33] <flocculant> but bored by the discussion now tbf - as is everyone else I expect
[23:33] <bluesabre> #link http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:33] <flocculant> #subtopic Testing
[23:33] <flocculant> then
[23:33] <bluesabre> to get some fresh views on that at least
[23:33] <bluesabre> :D
[23:33] <bluesabre> yay
[23:33] <Unit193> It's really just the install media though, I activly run Bionic.
[23:33] <flocculant> not sure what we can do about it though
[23:33] <flocculant> Unit193: I know :)
[23:34] <bluesabre> hi Unit193 
[23:34] <flocculant> trouble is - unless someone actively tells us we have no idea at all
[23:34] <flocculant> and frankly someone could just go to the tracker on release day and mark it for release
[23:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: not sure we'll ever get fresh views from the few of us in a meeting
[23:36] <flocculant> because I'd have to assume we all want it done 
[23:37] <Unit193> There's still that one guy that emails me about Core ISOs, but that's unofficial stuff still.
[23:37] <flocculant> yup
[23:37] <bluesabre> flocculant: let's plan for a call for testing and social media'ing everywhere
[23:37] <flocculant> I'm sure there are people out there - I see pings from the u+1 channel
[23:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: mmm
[23:38] <flocculant> bored doing those pointlessly as well 
[23:40] <bluesabre> maybe a nice detailed blog post instead
[23:40] <bluesabre> happy to coordinate on that
[23:40] <flocculant> ok
[23:41] <bluesabre> pleia2, knome_: sound good to you?
[23:41] <pleia2> yep
[23:41] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[23:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: let me know when's good for you - but I need to afk now 
[23:41] <bluesabre> #action flocculant and bluesabre to publish testing blogpost
[23:41] <meetingology> ACTION: flocculant and bluesabre to publish testing blogpost
[23:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: we can follow up when you're next available :)
[23:42] <bluesabre> thanks for hanging around for the meeting
[23:42] <flocculant> over weekend - later tomorrow, most of Sunday - evenings after 1900 utc
[23:43] <flocculant> no problem - night all :)
[23:43] <slickymaster> nighty night flocculant 
[23:43] <bluesabre> anybody else got anything to discuss?
[23:43] <slickymaster> nothing here
[23:47] <bluesabre> pleia2 Unit193?
[23:47] <pleia2> nope, I'm good
[23:48] <Unit193> I hope not, but if there is I'll just give you repeated pokes.
[23:48] <bluesabre> Sounds... painful
[23:48] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[23:49] <bluesabre> !info knome is next on the list, but if anybody wants to schedule one, go for it
[23:49] <bluesabre> er
[23:49] <bluesabre> #info knome is next on the list, but if anybody wants to schedule one, go for it
[23:49] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[23:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Feb 23 23:49:50 2018 UTC.  
[23:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-02-23-23.01.moin.txt
[23:49] <bluesabre> Thanks everybody!
[23:50] <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre 
[23:50] <Unit193> Sorry all about the build notifications, I started them before the meeting and only realized it was going to interrupt the meeting.
[23:51] <bluesabre> Unit193: no problem here, glad to see SwissBot alive and well
[23:51] <pleia2> hehe
[23:52] <Unit193> bluesabre: It doesn't ever stop in another channel, announcing all NEW packages in Debian. :3
[23:55] <bluesabre> shew
[23:55] <bluesabre> minutes are up
[23:56] <Unit193> Soo...Every time testing comes up, the tracker is brought up.  I always think "But I'm actually running it day to day, doesn't that count?"
[23:59] <bluesabre> knome_: "Fix Released" doesn't seem to change anything on the tracker for bugs https://dev.xubuntu.org