[00:19] <ZexaronS> Hello
[00:20] <ZexaronS> So this distro is or not fully affiliated with Canonical ?
[00:20] <ZexaronS> And, is it based on LTS editions like LMint ?
[00:20] <ZexaronS> I see some links leading to ubuntu directly, not a good sign :p
[00:22] <ZexaronS> Since Linux Mint will not provide KDE anymore, the 18.3 is the last, I would have to come here
[00:29] <valorie> ZexaronS: Canonical as a corp support Ubuntu in lots of ways, including infrastructure such as bug reporting, machines to do testing
[00:29] <valorie> etc
[00:30] <ZexaronS> Well, yeah, I get some of it, it for-profit, like "google of linux" but I don't want to have anything to do with it
[00:30] <valorie> we are part of the ubuntu project and provide both releases twice a year as well as LTS ever other year
[00:30] <valorie> we are fully non-profit
[00:30] <valorie> ubuntu is non-profit
[00:31] <valorie> Canonical just pays for some of the developers to work on ubuntu
[00:31] <valorie> not on Kubuntu
[00:31] <ZexaronS> I'm hearing that there was a split, that this is not part of the company anymore, or is wikipedia wrong ?
[00:31] <valorie> we get zero money
[00:31] <valorie> it was never part of the company
[00:31] <valorie> just as fedora is not part of Red Hat
[00:31] <valorie> same thing
[00:32] <valorie> where does wikipedia say we were ever "part" of Canonical?
[00:32] <valorie> our lead devel used to be paid by Canonical but that hasn't been true for years
[00:32] <ZexaronS> Well I'm not necessairly issue as money-it-self, but more of a thing that the one who provides the funds also controls the direction ... I'm not interested in social,movie,music stuff for example, and I don't want the GUI to look like a mobile phone
[00:33] <valorie> we are in charge of our own destiny and use Plasma desktop, etc.
[00:33] <valorie> KDE applications
[00:33] <valorie> that doesn't mean you *can't* use gnome apps etc
[00:34] <valorie> because you can use any packaged applications or even themes etc.
[00:34] <valorie> but what we provide and package is almost 100 % from KDE
[00:34] <ZexaronS> Yes, I like KDE, it's putting my HW to some good use
[00:34] <valorie> the exceptions are VLC, SDDM, etc.
[00:34] <valorie> allies of KDE
[00:35] <valorie> well, download the latest and burn it to a thumbdrive, and see what you think
[00:35] <valorie> the LTS will be out in April
[00:36] <valorie> as I said, next October we'll do a release as usual which will be non-LTS
[00:37] <valorie> we used to work with Mint as well, but now that they have ceased their Plasma edition we don't see the devels around here anymore
[00:37] <ZexaronS> Just trying to find a distro meant for serious adult technical people and not for 20 year old social trendies, but the trendyness is just overflowing including in most of the linux world, the release video of Kubuntu is about music and videos, how can you explain that ?
[00:37] <valorie> :(
[00:38] <ZexaronS> trailer, or what it was
[00:38] <valorie> I assume the creator of the video thought that translated best to video?
[00:38] <valorie> office applications aren't very sexy on video
[00:39] <valorie> lol
[00:40] <ZexaronS> Because, if so many people have based Windows all these years, slowly, linux stuff will turn into that because enough low-bar masses move into it, then it's going to be the same story allover again of configuring and tweaking the installation to get rid of the average-user gimmicks
[00:44] <valorie> ZexaronS: usability is usability
[00:44] <valorie> we've always wanted to be the friendly distribution
[00:44] <valorie> friendly to newcomers as well as experts
[00:45] <valorie> not a problem to cater to people who want to use their linux to play games, watch movies, listen to music
[00:45] <ZexaronS> Seems like there's always extremes out there, one group of haxor people want to use everything in terminal and another group are the invading trendies going full google-style
[00:45] <valorie> as long as those who need good office apps or educational software or video editing or scientific software also find what they need
[00:46] <valorie> we need good guis as well as excellent cli tools
[00:46] <valorie> they aren't exclusive
[00:46] <valorie> we should offer the best software store along with supporting apt and pkcon
[00:46] <valorie> and we strive to do that
[00:46] <ZexaronS> or windows10 style, basically dubm-style, that's how the new GUIs look, I think it's quite an understatement to call them clean, they're dumb, as in 1st grader, when I see that it makes me feel dumb, as if I just entered a kindergarden, bizzare really.
[00:47] <valorie> dunno, haven't really used it
[00:47] <valorie> my husband is a win user however
[00:47] <valorie> he wants his photoshop and will never leave win
[00:47] <valorie> which is fine
[00:48] <ZexaronS> I am as well, I just finished installing Win10 and tweaking the crap out of it to get my behavior like I had in Win7. Soon I will also mod the icon files to get them all looking like in Win7 (which happen to be hardcoded system files, but that's no prob)
[00:49] <ZexaronS> Also, excuse me, I'm ranting a bit.
[00:49] <ZexaronS> Took me 1 full week to get Win10 going right, exhausted!
[00:49] <valorie> wow
[00:49] <valorie> a new install of Kubuntu takes me around 30 mins
[00:50] <valorie> :-)
[00:51] <valorie> that includes setting up the apps that aren't included by default, like yakuake
[00:53] <ZexaronS> But don't get me wrong, I have nothing against usability and the type of people who might have other genuine focus to not use a system like a big PC guru would, but there's a large group of those type of people who purposelly don't want to know things and are looking for easy-peasy on-a-silver-plate solutions, naturally those people should not be endorsed because they're pulling everything else down, and distros shouldn't feed on them
[00:55] <ZexaronS> And I'm all for peaceful coexistance, I just have a problem where things are setup for those kind of people first and foremost, the default settings of a program, are always biased toward the simplicity
[00:56] <valorie> there I will disagree with you
[00:57] <valorie> we need to make it easy for new users to switch to linux
[00:57] <valorie> because FOSS is based on privacy, control of your own destiny, and power
[00:57] <valorie> if windows is easier, we will continue to lose
[00:57] <valorie> but now, dinner time here
[00:58] <valorie> good talking with ya
[00:58] <ZexaronS> later
[00:58] <ZexaronS> But see ... if that's what it takes, then these people should be taught to become better, not stay down at the elementary-school level.
[03:03] <Guest35032> hi,  is there a way to make the 'minimize windows' widget in the panel active at the edge of the screen with mouse? (similar to how windows and some linux desktops do)
[03:10] <valorie> please change your nick or I'll need to ask you to leave
[03:10] <valorie> user-formerly-known as Guest35032
 @Guest35032, Sytem settings -> desktop behavior, Screen edges can be set to show desktop.  Does that work as needed?
[07:44] <krashed> sup guys, anyone want to help me with my kde neon? sddm is a black screen with the cursor visible
[07:44] <krashed> it's a fresh install of kde neon. Something that might have caused the problem: "sudo apt install kio-extras"
[07:45] <krashed> also this might be related: Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50903) with this library (version 0x50a00)
[07:46] <krashed> I can go into tty. I also managed to get internet access through it. anyone knows what I can to to debug or anything?
[07:59] <acheronuk> !neon | krashed
[08:48] <mark__> hi all, I'm on kubuntu 18.04 and loving it! I think this will be a fantastic LTS release. I'm now using it on two different machines, one with intel graphics, the other with nvidia graphics. Using Nvidia binary driver working really well. Discover is also massively improved and is starting to look promising. I have noticed though in the last update to discover that there is a little pop up appearing that seems to have
[08:48] <mark__> information about packages but it disappears too quickly off the screen to be usable. Does anyone know where that information can be found outside the pop up? Shouldn't the pop up be persistent until the user closes it?
[11:50] <buovjaga> hey, there is something wrong with LibreOffice packaging in Kubuntu: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98776#c25
[11:58] <acheronuk> buovjaga: kubuntu does not package libreoffice, so needs a bug reporting against it
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:40] <D0U91E> sorry - I keep asking then get distracted and miss the answer...
[16:40] <D0U91E> can i safely do release upgrade from 14.04 lts to 18.04 lts?
[16:41] <D0U91E> or do we recommend a fresh install?
[16:47] <mparillo> D0U91E: Is 14.04 the last Plasma 4 LTS?
[16:47] <acheronuk> D0U91E: no, not supported
[16:48] <acheronuk> even 14.04 -> 16.04 is not advised
[16:55] <D0U91E> thanks guys
[18:03] <GerryTheUnicorn> test
[19:43] <D0U91E> what does it mean when HD grinds away constantly and 1604 becomes unresponsive?
[20:11] <valorie> D0U91E: you may have a failing drive
[20:11] <valorie> :(
[20:11] <valorie> I would log out of plasma and drop to a terminal and do a backup
[20:12] <D0U91E> I thought of that too...yes back up...
[20:12] <valorie> and then do checkdsk or similar
[20:12] <valorie> rsync is probably the best bet
[20:12] <D0U91E> maybe new ssd and copy home folder
[20:13] <valorie> I've had a few HDs fail
[20:13] <D0U91E> doesn't that s.m.a.r.t. help in a failing drive senario?
[20:13] <valorie> no SSDs yet though
[20:13] <valorie> that I don't know
[20:13] <D0U91E> ssd not ready for prime time you mean?
[20:13] <valorie> no, I mean all the SSDs I've had have been great
[20:14] <valorie> not one failure yet
[20:14] <valorie> knock on wood
[20:14] <valorie> lol
[20:14] <D0U91E> ok good to know I have 1 ssd - adata and work for windblows need one for my deserving kubuntu
[20:15] <valorie> best of luck -- you may end up with some corrupted data
[20:16] <valorie> so don't write over a previous good backup
[20:19] <D0U91E> thank you valorie
[20:52] <kamba> helo
[20:54] <D0U91E> hello
[21:46] <kamba> hello. can anybody help me set hidpi display on kubuntu. i have resulutin  2880x1620  on laptop, and fullHD on right of laptop. i managed to get scaling, but the destop enviroment sams unscaled
[21:47] <kamba> its kubuntu 17.10, and i used this command: xrandr --dpi 144 --fb 5760x3240 --output eDP-1 --mode 2880x1620 --output DP-2-1 --mode 1920x1080 --scale 1.5x1.5 --pos 2880x0 --panning 2880x1620+2880+0
[21:53] <valorie> !hidpi
[21:53] <valorie> huh
[21:56] <kamba> i have a screenshot what i got on below link
[21:56] <kamba> https://ibb.co/cH4mNc
[22:03] <valorie> kamba: you might be able to get some help in #plasma or #kde
[22:03] <valorie> unfortunately it's a bit late on Sunday night for most of the europeans
[22:04] <valorie> I got hidpi all set up on my laptop but I have no other displays
[22:04] <valorie> my only remaining issue is in the terminal
[22:05] <valorie> I have to get out a magnifying glass (literally) to ensure I'm running the correct commands!
[23:38] <wmoreno3|19053> How I do to install putty on desktop? I could install on Konsole
[23:43] <D0U91E> use ssh
[23:44] <D0U91E>  windows does not need to install putty will just run by double clicking