[00:50] <ubptgbot> hydrahex was added by: hydrahex
 https://telegram.org/blog/maintenance … Scheduled Maintenance on February, 24
 Is anyone else having issues with convergence on a Nexus 5?
 Guys
 initrd hit a nail...
 help ?
[02:54] <ubptgbot> MarcosGabrieel was added by: MarcosGabrieel
 @UniversalSuperBox Connects as GNU device but reboots in 15-20 seconds :/ and console ramoops seems corrupted
 anyone have any success with BT keyboards and mice that aren't Logitech? Like, could I just get something cheap  and it work just as well?
 I'm looking at attempting convergence with my n4
[03:23] <ubptgbot> Dik was added by: Dik
 @mariogrip, you rock! :D
 @kz6fittycent, yeah, it wasn't that far off, imagine if they kept developing until 18.04
 no doubt
[04:12] <ubptgbot> <U P Singh> Good morning. Can we install ubuntu touch on the devices not enlisted on ubuntu website?
 U P Singh No you can not, because the operatingsystem must exactly match the ARM processor architecture. There is no hardware detection like AMD or Intel.
 `mka ubports-boot` fails with https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VdygYc5Xdp/ Any idea what is causing this?
[06:14] <ubptgbot> <U P Singh> @Alex_WLBI, Thanks Alex. I wish to switchover towards Ubuntu touch but the supported core devices are outdated models.
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> @Flohack, Can find the content of the log file there: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DVtHJYcb43/
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> Telegram crashed twice: at 20:34 and at 21:16 - hope this helps find out why...
 @U P Singh, Devices must be ported to Ubuntu Touch and usally you would build it upon a LineageOS. This takes and someone needs to do it. Thus, you will not see Ubuntu Touch on a brand new model.
 @U P Singh, [Edit] Devices must be ported to Ubuntu Touch and usally you would build it upon a LineageOS. This takes time and someone needs to do it. Thus, you will not see Ubuntu Touch on a brand new model.
 @U P Singh, Outdated for what ? All the core devices have enough power to run Ubuntu Touch smoothely.
 @AmolithSeregion, what issues? I mean there are bugs for sure but it's usable
[07:31] <ubptgbot> Ernst Vaarties was added by: Ernst Vaarties
[07:32] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Hi. The ubports support guided me here versies I have technical question.
[07:34] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> versies = because
[07:38] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Let me quote my question: … > I would like to be able to print using my BQ Aquaris M10 FHD. Is this possible and if not, when will this functionality become available. I have a networkprinter (HP) which I intend to use.
 @Ernst Vaarties, Hello! Yes printing will come with 16.04 :) - But at the beginning it will be rather only possible to print PDF files with a special App. The printing backend might be able to give printing rights later to all applications, but not at the start.
[07:59] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Being able to print from the document viewer as a start would be suffice for me.
[07:59] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Good to hear this development.
 In the 16.04 system settings you have already a category Print
 Hope libreoffice mobile will be available in UT
 @Flohack what is status of N5 xenial? What is working currently?
 Calls, sms, gsm data, wifi, browsing?
 @samitormanen, All working
 Its not specific to N5. If smth works in 16.04 it will probably work on all devices. Or not work.
 @Yance, Are you sure?
 I mean all of that @sami mention
 @Yance, Cool 😁
 @samitormanen, List of all bugs tagged Xenial: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+xenial
 I dont consider this "all working" tbh
 How stable it is Yance?
 Quit stable. My problem is battery drain.
 @Yance, Ok. Wish I had another N5 to test it..
 @yance, how much faster it is comparing to vivid?
 @Flohack, Agre, maybe there is still some room for improvement 😂
 😆
 @samitormanen, Never use vivid. I don't know
 @Yance, Ok 😁
[08:27] <ubptgbot> <Markus Kling> @Markus Kling, Do you see a chance of getting Telegram to work or can I give up on this?
 Telegram just working fine on my nexus 5. 15.04
[08:41] <ubptgbot> Steve was added by: Steve
 Hello, … I've installed Ubuntu v15.04 in my Nexus 5 and I seem to be having an issue using wifi and bluetooth. I've used the stable version so I thought I would no issue. Are there any known issues with this wifi/BT on Nexus 5 when using v15.04? If so, is there any known solutions.  … Thanks for any help!
 @U P Singh, Some newer options are not far off. It is unrealistic to expect instant ports to brand new phones though
 @Steve, Are they working at all?
 @kz6fittycent I've said before and will say it again. For convergence on an external monitor, you *do not* want BT keyboards.
 That is, if you're using wireless (Miracast) convergence. The wireless peripherals will clog the traffic and make things a lagfest. So, use wired peripherals. However, if your hardware has a method of wired connection to the monitor, you can use wired or wireless devices. I hope that helps :)
 I strongly support the idea of a 'UT for kids' but I do not agree with that version being imposed on adult users. Discuss?
 Was thinking about playing with my bq e5 if new version is available, 16.04 I guess. Haven't used UBports ubuntu on it for about 9 months. Worth flashing?
 @Jobba786, Still a bit early. Fun to explore but certainly not for use yet
 For now, a ban on 'offensive apps or apps which bring UBports into disrepute' is sufficient, in my opinion
 Thanks for your feedback, Lionelb. Will use a little time on my Raspberries. Anyone tried the Ubuntu versions for pi?
[12:10] <ubptgbot> coinee was added by: coinee
 @coinee, Hello Nico. Check this out for more information about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hi @Stereofont , … thanks for the hint
 I had one of the first firesale devices 😉
 but this Telegram I missed
 @coinee, Are you still on the Canonical version?
 nope
 @Javacookies, There is no cursor when I plug it in and it doesn't detect the right screen resolution. I don't have a bluetooth mouse so I was going to use the phone as a touchpad but there was no cursor to move lol
 Ah okay
 updated when the first ubports was out
 also bought a nexus5 meanwhile, for latest drivers
 but didn't follow the last weeks/months much the progress
 @AmolithSeregion, Not really relevant to this but if you press and hold the space bar it becomes a cursor. Hidden feature
 @Stereofont, You mean with a bluetooth keyboard?
 @coinee, The UBports channel on YouTube is good for keeping up. There is also a News channel here
 @AmolithSeregion, Built into Ubuntu Touch system. It works on your phone
 @Stereofont, https://t.me/ubports_news
 @AmolithSeregion, that's a known weird bug in Nexus 5, onscreen touchpad doesn't work, it works on my Nexus 7
 Probably also works when convergent
 @Stereofont, great, thaknks for the hint
 @Stereofont, [Edit] great, thanks for the hint
 @Javacookies, A shame. Quite useful
 I don't know about resolution though, I don't remember having issues, tried on 1080 and 720
 @Stereofont, that's a different cursor 😁 … just a trivia, I requested for that feature and my PR just recently merge to fix a bug in it … OMG I'm so proud of myself LOL
 @Javacookies, So I can only use a bluetooth mouse?
 A cursor that people are unlikely to find by accident
 @Stereofont, I didn't realise what you meant lol. I was planning to look for an issue like that on Github and if there wasn't I was going to open one
 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SDL-Mir-No-Longer-Default
 Open the keyboard anywhere and the space bar can convert to a cursor. That is the intention
 @AmolithSeregion, unfortunately, yes that's the only way for now
 @Javacookies, Alright, thanks!
 @AmolithSeregion, A junk mouse is probably as likely to work as an expensive one. Not clear which though
[12:42] <ubptgbot> Jai was added by: Jai
 @Jai, Hello Jai. Have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Thanks , I aready went through ubport whole web site.
 Haha. Great 👍
[13:13] <ubptgbot> alvelezlo was added by: alvelezlo
 @alvelezlo, Hello Alberto. For more information about UBports check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Stereofont, Hi! Not at all.
 @Steve, Do they work in Android? Has the power button been replaced?
 @Stereofont, Offensive to whom?
 @Stereofont, This is for text entry cursor, not mouse pointer.
 Guys, further on my VitaSDK installation, I'm having trouble doing cmake.. && make (install) on it. Will shoot you a Pastebin in a sec.
 I've tried installing a few more dependencies in Libertine to help it, no luck so far though. These include g++ and build-essentials.
 @Markus Kling, Maybe delete all the config, cache, and data for it. I've had to do so before to log in.
 @dohbee, They didn’t work in android. I’m not sure if the power button was replaced. Someone gave the N5 to me.
 @Steve, It was, and whomever did it damaged the board, causing WiFi and BT to not work. My n5 has exact same issue
 https://pastebin.com/6PQNidwH
 @dohbee, Ah i see. So, what did you do? replace to board? Is it worth it?
 @Steve, I bought a new phone, and my n5 has no network. Not sure if I'll bother replacing the board in it.
[13:51] <ubptgbot> Vladimir A was added by: Vladimir A
 @TartanSpartan, Vitasdk compiler is crashing
 @dohbee, True. Any policy invites supplementaries and will leave gaps. My point was that the new policy effectively dumbs down the whole of UT to the level of an eight year old and I think that is the wrong approach
 Yeah I think I need to make a bash.rc file and set export paths correctly. Just make bash.rc in home, right?
 @Stereofont, What new policy? Your post here appeared to be arbitrary.
 https://open-store.io/submit
 This
 @TartanSpartan, I don't think that's so. You probably need to not use the cross compiler from sdk
 Well, setting the export paths is part of the installation, and I thought I did that but I can't find the file. I'll go up my command history.
 @Stereofont, So no pornhub app? :(
 Nope, .bashrc exists, reading:
 "#VitaSDK export instructions … export VITASDK=/usr/local/vitasdk … export PATH=$VITASDK/bin:$PATH # add vitasdk tool to #PATH"
 as expected.
 @TartanSpartan, Is that the only content?
 @dohbee, As with anything, I think we should discuss policies, rather than have imposition
 Yes, I created it from fresh. Another Libertine oddity that it doesn't pre-exist?
 I would have thought the standard one should be there.
 @dohbee, Standard?
 Bashrc
 Doh Lionel
 What other dir might it be lurking in?
 Of course, I'm saying that this one I made was in home/phablet (the container's version).
 The defaults are in `/etc/skel/` of course
 but that's not really your issue. it's just a distraction.
 changing $PATH won't fix the compiler that the thing you're trying to compile is using
 Really you should be talking to vita devs i guess, and asking if anyone has used this stuff on rpi for example, or other ARM hardware, and not only built stuff for vita on x86 systems
 @Stereofont, Right, but why is Twitter acceptable under this new policy then? Or even Telegram? Or who knows what else.
 @Stereofont, I just read the policy. I dont see any problem with that. Please understand they have to do it in this way since they are private persons fully responsible for the store content.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/j3dosGYi.png
 I think for now is good, but long term it should be discussed properly
 Ok, I will, thanks Rodney.
 @Flohack, Stealing data: so there newer will be Whatsapp on UT 😄
 @Mappaschreck, Correct 😆
 @Flohack, The bullet points are fine. The statement that content must be appropriate for persons 'of all ages' is problematic though. 'Safe for adults' and 'safe fir children' are different considerations
 @Flohack, [Edit] The bullet points are fine. The statement that content must be appropriate for persons 'of all ages' is problematic though. 'Safe for adults' and 'safe for children' are different considerations
 @Stereofont, If the bullet point 1 is fine, than you automatically remove all "not safe for children" apps. So you cannot agree to all bullet points, or also the other text is ok ;)
 @Mappaschreck, Stealing data means you remove the data unallowed. Whatsapp is just copying data, not stealing. So it's totally fine, I guess 🤓
 @Mappaschreck, [Edit] Stealing data means you remove the data unallowed. Whatsapp is just copying data, not removing. So it's totally fine, I guess 🤓
 @Flohack, So e.g. all references to the Holocaust
 Why Holocaust is not safe for children? Its a question of HOW you write about it. We started learning about this in school pretty early
 Different for a six year old or a fourteen year old. The more mature version is disallowed by the policy
 Please talk to the Openstore team with all suggestions. Once again reminded, they are not part of UBports foundation ;)
 👍
 And we are too small to have a review team which is educated along different age classes. They cannot spend their time with discussions of this is ok for 13 or 14 years. I think we speak about: >18 or <18 :)
 Are there really all that many apps on Openstore which would raise questions about maturity level of the intended user base?
 Well, talking about it and showing it are two different things
 Well there are people naked on the beach in the Riviera, but in the US, nudity is a no no
 Ah yes, standard US disconnect of "natural human nudity is an abomination, but murderous violence is A OK" :)
 deplorable violence is fine, as long as there's no naughty language
 and no lady nipples
 Yes indeedy Mrs Brofloski!
 What I know is that OpenStore policies have been discussed in the UBparents group, and they have been modeled after Google Play policies. … https://play.google.com/about/restricted-content/  … I'm not in that group, Brian can surely provide more context
 @dohbee, You nailed it
 It was a South Park reference FYI :)
 Anyone good with indexing in C? I've almost got it but my file manager still has an out-of-bounds bug, so I want to lock that down. I can PM you if so.
 the puritanism of american religious beliefs is quite something
 @TartanSpartan, There is an app dev channel
 @dohbee, I am a conservative christian and I support strict rules. It is up to everone to decide about his moral in private. But there should not be explicit content in public, neither sexual nor violent one. To allow one and prohibit the other is hypocratic imho.
 Gotcha.
 As far as explicit content goes, I mostly agree, but if there are jurisdictions/special zones where it can be permitted for consenting adults, that should be an acceptable compromise.
 @TartanSpartan, 👍🏿
 Rodney, fire away a pair of links for UBPortsOT and app dev groups please? I know you've shared OT before, but can't search right now.
 @TartanSpartan, https://t.me/UbuntuAppDevEN
 https://t.me/ubports_ot
 (Sticker, 382x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wTZkH4IE.webp
 @TartanSpartan, I would agree that until some form of the rating system and regional limitations are implemented in the open store, that what's allowed there should be very limited, as a measure to protect the open store devs and hosting. However, once those are implemented, I would say that it should be pretty wide open, with
[15:10] <ubptgbot> very few restrictions.
 frankly, children are not as fragile as everyone thinks they are, and exposing them to more of the stuff that adults find to be "too sensitive" will result in better adults in the future
 @dohbee, They may not be fragile, but very influenceable. Watching a lot of violent movies for example will not make a child become a criminal, but it will influence the emotional inhibition threshold.
 no it will not
 or at least, not in the way that people fear
 anyway, this is quickly going off topic
 Have to say I saw/played a lot of violent films and video games from about 10 onwards but I still have a strong inhibition against acting violently except for self defence/defence of others circumstances.
 I might be a little desensitsed to depictions of violence, but some things still make me squeamish.
 @dohbee, The old fallacya bout computer games making killers, yes.
 @dohbee, [Edit] The old fallacy about computer games making killers, yes.
 This is a very interesting topic for sure. I dont know where is the right place to be discussed maybe in the forums? OT chat?
 yup. if sex and violence in video games and movies did all the things conservatives fear, i'd be the bloody anti-christ
 😹😹😹
 Last thing I'll say because we may indeed be going off-topic: perhaps a strong stomach for violent depictions is a good primer for seeing extreme violence in real life, and ensuring your reactions/senses are prepared to some extent for it, because after all we live in a violent and brutal universe where anything can happen to
[15:24] <ubptgbot> any person at any time; tomorrow you might fall off your bike and get a visible bone fracture for example (sorry if that offends anyone, but a genuine fact)
 The nerverending story
 or a meteorite might fall through your skull
 [Edit] The neverending story
 Indeed #youneverknow
 Is it possible to get the clickable of Cantata, which was only in the old store?
 Have you guys heard of the razr phone? 🤩
 Razer yes
 Sounds like a future convergence phone ;3
 I don't think there's even a glimmer of a Lineage port yet
 Gotta wait for that first
[17:25] <ubptgbot> Khanpakpoom Kamonrotchai was added by: Khanpakpoom Kamonrotchai
[17:56] <ubptgbot> D4nk0l3vis was added by: D4nk0l3vis
[18:01] <ubptgbot> yokamon was added by: yokamon
 Welcome Team has a blocker 😆
 ?
 I can't build guys , can you help me?
 (Photo, 1280x902) https://irc.ubports.com/YQnwgTRo.png
 Same error in every build
 @rannyman, I think this question may be better suited to @hailum perhaps
 @Flohack, It has been quiet for a while. Is there a problem?
 @dohbee, 3 new joins and no welcome msgs ;)
 @Stereofont, Dont think so. what problem could it be?
 @Flohack, ah, i thought maybe you meant that last one would break something with that name :P
 😆 or maybe  that 😆
 @Vladimir A, Hello. Sorry for the late welcome. Please check this for more information https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Khanpakpoom, Faust and. , you are also very welcome here. Please ask if there is anything we can help with
 UBports has a range of groups in different languages
 @TartanSpartan, Ok thanks.  … As far as the N4 goes, I am not sure what kind of peripherals are available that aren't BT based. I will take a look and maybe I'll get lucky and find something
 @kz6fittycent, you don't need to use miracast on the N4. you just need a slimport cable to hook up the HDMI i think
 Yeah, I'm planning on Slimport; just the keyboard and mouse were gonna be BT, but I am willing to see what other options I have as I think it'd be neat for the kids to see (and me too)
 take in consideration also that the slimport doesnt transfer the audio to the monitor/TV
[18:52] <ubptgbot> Andrey was added by: Andrey
 @Andrey, Hello Andrey. If you are new please look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome 😊
[19:11] <ubptgbot> antonycs was added by: antonycs
 @antonycs, Hello Antony. Nice to see you here. Feel free to ask questions
 Hi all
[19:16] <ubptgbot> DeleteusBot was added by: rannyman
[19:16] <ubptgbot> DeleteusBot was removed by: UniversalSuperBox
 No thanks
 Wtf? Wrong member sorry
 Is it shortsighted that none of Miracast, Slimport or Micro HDMI allow transfer of audio?
 Not necessarily by Canonical or anything, but by the manufacturers of these standards.
 I'd be concerned if they didn't
 I expect an audio routing bug tbh
 Unless you know that they don't carry audio under Android
 I presumed that was also the case, so again, why I was questioning why these protocols don't allow it. My Raspberrt Pi Zero will carry sound over a Mini HDMI cable.
 *Raspberry Pi
 Yeah, I have (good/bad) news for ya. Slimport and MHL both support audio
 As does Miracase
 [Edit] As does Miracast
 But UT and Android both forbid it?
 Android can't do it?
 And UT?
 As I said before, I'd expect an audio routing problem. I'm asking if you know if Android can route audio over MHL or Slimport
 Sorry dude but I'm wondering if that's a rhetorical line of questioning  :)
 I don't know if Android can do that.
 How would we determine that then?
 Hardware maybe not wired
 @TartanSpartan, Take a device with Slimport, put Android on it, plug it in to something with audio out, play audio
 But isn't there prestablished sources which state whether or not?
 The only place I'd expect to find information is xda
 And you can't trust user posts on xda...
 Or perhaps a device review/troubleshooter/screw around video on YouTube?
 Kind of like bq only can't do MHL because the pins are not wired
 Well yeah, that's the case with most features
 Anyone with broken packages when trying to install unity 8 on 16.04?
[20:33] <ubptgbot> Tygerpro Tygerpro was added by: Tygerpro Tygerpro
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hey everyone, trying to port ubporys to a galaxy note 4
 Hi Tygerpro
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @Stereofont, Hello, how are you?
 Good thanks. A few people are working on Samsung models or expressed an interest
 Nothing happening on that one yet that I recall. Are you familiar with Halium?
 He sure is
 @UniversalSuperBox, 😆
[20:37] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Yea, I saw an S7 the other day in the halium channel, out of curiosity is there any news on the workstation dock? I'd like to make one from a spare pi, and yea I just compiled halium-boot two days ago, haven't had time to test yet
 There is not.
[20:38] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @UniversalSuperBox, Hey how is it going? Your like a halium bloodhound lol
 I don't know what that means, but I'll take it as a compliment
[20:39] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Lol someone mentions halium and you appear lol
 poof
[20:39] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Pretty much
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> I've been toying with the idea of making a laptop workstation dock -if- the software for it is ever released
 Depending on how it works, this could be interesting: https://miraxess.com/miraxess-products/mirabook/
 No word on support for UT yet
 And I don't think it's shipped yet, so buyer beware
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, I authorize you. Please proceed
 Well, the software isn't available for it
 That does not retract the official authorization. Proceed with boldness
[21:31] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @wayneoutthere, Well I won't get very far without software, I'm open to suggestions on that
 Seems like it will only appeal to developers... Convergence is great and all but I dont think I can ever combine my sport shoes are or ever will ne fit for a formal.
 [Edit] Seems like it will only appeal to developers... Convergence is great and all but I dont think I can ever combine my sport shoes with formal.
 (corrected)
 I want one. But mass market is a hard sell which is why they might have trouble shipping
 [Edit] I want one. But mass market is a hard sell, which is why they might have trouble shipping
[21:53] <ubptgbot> S Stana was added by: S Stana
 @S Stana, Hello Stana. Lots of joiners today! Have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get started
[21:58] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> hi, i am attempting to port UT to a Nexus 5 with Linux Mint 18 and UBports Installer is hanging at 'please reboot to bootloader.' tried it on a window10 machine with same results. the device is booted to bootloader screen in fastboot mode, lockstate-unlocked. Any advice?
[21:58] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> @Stereofont, Thx for the msg Lionelb. I will check out your link now
 @S Stana, I suggest go the welcome and install room, from that link I gave
[22:00] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> will do
 Creating a username helps with invites etc
[22:01] <ubptgbot> <S Stana> thx again
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, you must hold the dream in front of you. Never let go!  Make dreams reality!
[22:10] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> @wayneoutthere, Well I want to base my design on off the shelf hardware (I.e. raspberry pi and compatible peripherals) to make everything easier, I -could- reverse engineer it, but that would be like reinventing the wheel
 I'll be honest.  I'm like a motivational coach... I don't know anything and I talk alot.  HOwever, I want to see your thing work so I'm still authorizing you.
 anyone ever have those "dead spots" on the n4? I've read all kinds of stuff about charging being the culprit and other saying it's a bad digitizer (others refuting that), etc.  … Just looking for first hand experience with fixing it; if possible
 i had a dead spot that was the size of the entire right side of screen.  two days later the whole screen was a dead spot.  However, my N5 finally arrived so I'm back in the bug-squishing game! woot woot