/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/02/25/#ubports.txt

ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> lol00:01
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> @wayneoutthere, Lol, you and me both00:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> Hi five to hot air00:05
ubptgbotSquish :3 was added by: Squish :300:31
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Hello!00:31
ubptgbot<Squish :3> I need some help if anyone is around!00:31
ubptgbot<matv1> Welcome Squish :300:31
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Thank you @matv1 !00:32
ubptgbot<matv1> go ahead and ask00:32
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Ah00:32
ubptgbot<Squish :3> So im using the BQ Aquaris E4.500:32
ubptgbot<Squish :3> And i installed the Official Ubuntu Touch for it.00:32
ubptgbot<Squish :3> I installed OpenStore through terminal etc etc00:32
ubptgbot<Squish :3> It sometimes auto soft reboots. Can anyone explain/help solve?00:32
ubptgbot<matv1> most of us see that from time to time. How often is that in your case? if it is daily thats not right00:34
ubptgbot<matv1> it is most commonly Unity restarting00:34
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Happens sometimes. Especially when im trying to do too much too fast.00:35
ubptgbot<Squish :3> I really want to use this as a daily driver.00:35
ubptgbot<matv1> ah yes that fits with what other ppl are seeing. it runs out of memory. theoreticcaly iUT should limit the running apps if that happens but never Unity. But I am afraid it does00:36
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Aaaaah alright that makes sense. So are there any solutions?00:37
ubptgbot<matv1> well, there might be improvement on that once we move to 16.0400:38
ubptgbot<matv1> but I am not sure about that00:38
ubptgbot<mariogrip> There is indeed alot of stability updates with 16.0400:38
ubptgbot<Squish :3> I tried installing the UBports version on windows10 but the program does never recognize my device00:38
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Even with developer mode on00:38
ubptgbot<Squish :3> And the device on fastboot mode00:38
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Krillin doesnt have a static bootloader mode per se00:39
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Its just another menu with wipe options.00:39
ubptgbot<matv1> @Squish :3, sorry I do not use Windows00:39
ubptgbot<mariogrip> We do have some problems on Windows due to drivers, i would recomend trying to install with an ubuntu virtual box. We are trying our best to fix the issues on windows00:40
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Well i used it because of games xD00:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> @jamesbateaux, You lack confidence. Be like doogie howser00:40
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Ahhhh alright. Yes linux based os' have no issues with drivers....00:40
ubptgbot<mariogrip> Windows and usb is really hard..00:40
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip Yeah i know. A virtual drive it is. What does the UBPorts version have over the Canonical official version for the E 4.5?00:41
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Squish :3, Quite alot of updated and bug fixes. too many to count :)00:42
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip Anywhere i can read that changelog?00:42
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Btw i love Ubuntu Touch xD Its beautiful00:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Squish :3, It's not dead. :)00:43
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @dohbee Fair point 😆00:43
ubptgbot<Squish :3> I'm kinda tired of android after 5 years of modding it.00:44
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Can't be arsed to get an iOS device because i need privacy and battery life.00:44
ubptgbot<Squish :3> And Windows Phone is just as abandoned as Canonical's UT.00:45
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Squish :3, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestones?state=closed this is the best we have, we also have blog post about the updates https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-ota-3-76 https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-ota-2-release-7400:45
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> apparently Apple is now storing iCloud stuff in China and has given the gov't over their access...00:45
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> so even more reason to seek other solutions00:45
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip Thank you! So i should just set up an Ubuntu Virual Box and use UBInstaller though that?00:46
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight/apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G806000:46
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @kz6fittycent True also. But i tried the system and fell in love with it.00:46
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Squish :3, yeah that should work00:46
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> @Squish :3, iOS or UTouch?00:47
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip Will try! FIngers crossed.00:47
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @kz6fittycent UTouch.00:47
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> gotcha00:47
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @kz6fittycent Had an iOS once. FIrst thing i did was jailbreak it.00:47
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> I am issued one from work; don't like it00:47
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @kz6fittycent By midday had 50% battery left.00:47
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> ha00:48
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @kz6fittycent No thank you. I need my music all day.00:48
ubptgbot<Squish :3> ah i have another question @mariogrip ! Sorry i'm bothering00:49
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Squish :3, sure go ahead00:49
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip So from Android to UTouch i noticed that the volume of multimedia is really low even on max with headphones on. I tried UVol but that doesnt help a whole lot. Anything i can do to fix this?00:50
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip Im not looking for a way to go deaf but i do enjoy blasting some bass though my headphones from time to time.00:51
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Squish :3, it depends on the devices, some device cannot deliver as much *power* as others. but i guess my question is was this the same device you had android on as ut on?00:52
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip Yes. Hence my question.00:52
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Squish :3, well, i just want to correct that Canonical's UT was never abandoned - BY US.  It was abanoned by Canonical but the dream lives on and, in my opinion, it's now much better and quickly going to 'super awesome'00:52
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Squish :3, good answer ;)00:53
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Squish :3, humm, then im not sure, i will take a look at and see what i find00:53
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere Im aware yes. You guys are doing an amazing job. The system is amazing. I love it and i intend to learn as much as i can. OCD is killing me because i can't remove the Ubuntu Store app.00:54
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @mariogrip Thank you so much!00:54
ubptgbot<Squish :3> I'm just so tired of android. I like it. But i'm tired of seeing the same old same old.00:54
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Besides, having the security and multitude of options of Ubuntu in the palm of my hand is brilliant.00:55
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> you are speaking music now00:55
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> now that unity8 is rolling... boom.  convergence is on the table00:56
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> and anbox ...00:56
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> 2018 is set to be a year to remember00:56
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> definitely won't be same ol' same ol' around here00:56
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere Yes! I mean the only reason i'd want anbox is for messenger. or discord. or whatsapp. The rest of the things i use is in UTouch already.00:56
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere I like my reddit and instagram. the rest is a lot of music,youtube and some casual gaming. Pokemon on a GBA emulator does the job brilliantly.00:57
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere I tell this to so many people. The day i can play games on Linux like i do on Windows is the day i ditch Windows.00:58
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> same.  i may never use anbox but it's a good 'bridge' to bring the lost people in00:58
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere True but imho UTouch isn't complicated at all.00:58
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Squish :3, 9 out of 10 doctors recommend you ditch games with windows ;)00:58
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> then your problem is solved00:59
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere Hahahah sadly i need my Fallout3 amongst other things that sadly aren't available yet on Linux based systems.01:00
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere Absolutely! Who doesn't like pokemon01:00
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Squish :3, can't you run windows as a VM inside your ubuntu machine?01:03
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @wayneoutthere I can but on a low end laptop is seriously hinders the experience.01:03
ubptgbot<dohbee> Huh01:04
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> i only like pacman and tetris so yeah..01:04
ubptgbot<dohbee> I play games on Linux just fine01:05
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> I play super tux amazingly01:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> that's what I thought... maybe over to OT group?   … https://t.me/ubports_ot01:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> ha01:05
ubptgbot<dohbee> Discord should work fine too01:05
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ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> I'll be using anbox for a couple apps that I might need, otherwise its just a cool feature to have for those that -need- android02:06
ubptgbot<Igor Dikiy> Hello all, I am trying to port Ubuntu Touch onto an old BN Nook "tablet". Wish me luck!02:16
ubptgbot<kz6fittycent> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MVeKKiM2.mp402:20
ubptgbot<Squish :3> https://devices.ubports.com/#/krillin If i run this on an Ubuntu VMWare will it work to install UBTouch on the E4.5?02:30
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Igor, I will be most interested in your progress.  I have one of those, as well as one of the older Nook Color models.02:59
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> Anyone know the Arch Linux Telegram channel?03:15
ubptgbot<Yance> @AmolithSeregion, Do you need to flash UT in arch linux?03:22
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @Yance, No I just need help with thumbnails. I have none for mp4 files03:23
ubptgbot<Yance> @AmolithSeregion, Oh. I don't know telegram group for arch linux in english. Just in bahasa. What de and file manager do you use?03:26
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @Yance, OpenBox and Nemo03:31
ubptgbot<Yance> Have you installed ffmpegthumbs?03:50
ubptgbotNicolascuevas was added by: Nicolascuevas03:50
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @Yance, Yes and I removed the entire thumbnail folder04:50
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> Hi from Ubuntu Touch05:32
ubptgbot<jcjordyn120> @tsimonq2, Ohi05:53
ubptgbotferds666 was added by: ferds66606:23
ubptgbot<ferds666> Good Day People06:23
ubptgbot<ferds666> I was wondering if the app Wire Secure Messenger works on Ubuntu Touch?06:23
ubptgbot<ferds666> I know they have a deb package available, not sure if it translates to the mobile platform06:24
ubptgbotAndreu was added by: Andreu07:16
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Squish :3, If you are still on the Canonical version it seriously is time to switch 😊08:53
ubptgbot<D4nk0l3vis> @Stereofont, Thanks Lionelb, I haven't see your welcome message until now, I'm a little bit clueless09:01
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Does anyone know how to do an IRC bridge via Telegram? I'd like persistance with my messages in one IRC group.09:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> @ferds666, The .deb probably won't work, and mobile apps aren't installed via debs. The web interface should work in the browser though, I think.09:24
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @ferds666, There is a Signal appeared. In for pitstop repairs atm09:33
ubptgbot<Stereofont> App09:34
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @D4nk0l3vis, No problem. Watch and ask questions09:35
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> I mean I know people IRC bridge into this supergroup, so is the reverse possible?09:39
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Guessing it would have to be two way rather than just export ? That could be tricky? Also privacy precedents etc?09:41
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Otherwise though, is there any solution for permanence? Because I've used the IRC website before and it's like, you need to leave the browser and therefore computer active, which is a strain on power/computing resources in general and I sense that maybe the people on this group are in North American time or something so might09:43
ubptgbothave to wait for hours...09:43
ubptgbot<Stereofont> You can forward to saved message folder. Send to self09:43
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Elaborate sorry? What hardware are you thinking- desktop, or UT phablet?09:44
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Ah I understood the wrong way round. Permanence of irc09:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, Signal and Wire are different things09:46
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Yessir.09:46
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Yes, different but Signal could serve a similar purpose?09:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, i know some people have used irccloud, there are other similar solutions available, some you can host yourself as well09:47
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Host myself, what do you mean exactly?09:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, If your employer has a contract with Wire, I doubt Signal will help there09:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, i mean run a server with bouncer or whatever that's permanently connected to irc09:48
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Right well I don't have a NAS yet or anything. Will go for a simple, low cost solution i.e. irccloud.10:10
ubptgbot<Javacookies> @TartanSpartan, miracast, slimport, micro HDMI supports audio out, I've tried them in Android and they work fine. I believe it's a known bug in Canonical but not site if it's been acknowledged in UBports10:18
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Yeah I think there was a bit of miscommunication on that front between myself and @UniversalSuperBox last night because I thought he knew the answers to the questions I had but was being cagey, or otherwise rhetorical, but I think in hindsight he was genuinely asking me some questions. But sorry to the main man if that was the10:20
ubptgbot case, that's what happens with IM internet communication from time to time.10:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> I don't think aethercast provides a pulseaudio module, so likely doesn't route the audio. Try `pacmd info | grep "name:"` to see what outputs pulseaudio knows of10:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> Audio routing on phones is apparently very difficult. Android doesn't seem to even have a way to route audio how I want to route it10:30
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Perhaps in future UBPorts devs could try to make routing easier and more along the lines of how it works for PCs? Unless the hardware/Android legacy parts of the system put a hard limit on that.10:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> I would say PCs do it wrong too10:34
ubptgbotRakesh PK was added by: Rakesh PK10:34
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> But objectively better relative to phones?10:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> it's just easier to work around the poor UX on traditional linux installs10:34
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Right.10:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't think the way to fix it on the phone is to just install pavucontrol. it's not a good UX10:36
ubptgbot<dohbee> right solution is making things smarter on the phone, and providing some better UX for controlling volume, and advanced audio routing if necessary, but make it usable and something that is generally not needed10:38
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> But would you say the hardware/Android legacyt parts of the system limit the ability to achieve that?10:38
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> *legacy10:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> no10:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> not in general anyway10:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> there are of course going to be special cases, as there is with anything else involving android10:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> but in general, this issue is all on the pulseaudio side10:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> at least, as far as we care10:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> we aren't going to fix the UX in android10:40
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> I see.10:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> can you pastebin the output of running the aforementioned pacmd bit i suggested, on the M10?10:43
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Well, sure, but I'm just about to head out for a grocery shop. I will later on today.10:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> ok10:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> or `pacmd list-sinks` instead might be better10:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> i wonder if slimport audio works with sailfish11:00
ubptgbot<Javacookies> I remember trying that but it doesn't even support video11:05
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Could audio be injected into the video channel somehow and be extracted at the other end?11:05
ubptgbot<Stereofont> As with old cine film11:06
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, You are making the issue more complicated than it is. Complicated solutions like this would require specific support for weird hacks on the other end, meanwhile the standard in use already specifies how exactly audio is to be sent11:07
ubptgbot<Stereofont> It seemed complicated already 😂11:07
ubptgbot<dohbee> It is not complicated. It is just bugs.11:08
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Javacookies, I wonder if this simply the reason why it doesn't work then. The pulseaudio droid module is from Jolla, so if they never implemented slimport support at all, it's very plausible it wouldn't have any audio support for it either11:13
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @sverzegnassi I tested your QtQuickControls suru style, and in general most parts look surprisingly good, for example the sliders. … With a Kirigami app I tested, I noticed a few problems: … - The color hightlightedTextColor is not set by the suru style, which leads to some parts just being colored grey … - centering does not rea11:14
ubptgbotlly work well? `anchors.verticalCenter: parent.verticalCenter` … - (I tested a messaging app) The messages on the ChatPage weren't displayed correctly … Suru style: … http://imgload.org/images/Screenshot_20180225_120931de14aecaba5162e7.md.png … Plasma Mobile style: … http://imgload.org/images/Screenshot_20180225_1210598740c728067b307a.md.png … I kn11:14
ubptgbotow this is currently work-in-progress, but I wanted to report the issues so you have a chance to fix them :)11:14
ubptgbot<sverzegnassi> @JBBgameich, Sure, appreciated! :) Do you know where I can find the source code for the app you've tested? I want to get this fixed as soon as possible11:59
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> https://github.com/KaidanIM/kaidan12:00
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> I tested everything on the desktop, Kaidan is not (yet) ported to Ubuntu Touch12:02
ubptgbot<Mappaschreck> @kz6fittycent, On my first N4 it was the same Wayne already said. First a spot, then the whole screen.12:42
ubptgbot<pablochere> (Photo, 984x984) https://irc.ubports.com/VfPrQGIi.png #PolarM40012:50
ubptgbot<sverzegnassi> @JBBgameich Cool, thanks. Will give it a look in the next days13:26
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @TartanSpartan, Is english your mother tongue? Just curious because this had some interesting tone and style in it. I teach ESL so its interesting from time to time to see language development13:26
ubptgbot<Squish :3> (Photo, 800x600) https://irc.ubports.com/RczA0E6O.png14:13
ubptgbot<Squish :3> So i set up the VM with Ubuntu and downloaded the Ubports installer for it. It recognizes my phone as BQ Aquaris E4.5 Krillin and then i have to input admin password for it to flash the images to my phone. I authorize and my phone switches on its own to fastboot mode yada yada...but now its stuck on this screen. Any tips?14:13
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> @Squish :3, Why are you using a VM?14:20
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin Because it couldnt make it work on windows and i cant install ubuntu on my laptop.14:21
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> Oh ok14:21
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> Well in any case, it's possible the VM doesn't want to passthrough the fastboot usb stuff14:21
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin Can i enable that?14:22
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> What vm software are you using?14:22
ubptgbot<Squish :3> VMWare Workstation (free)14:22
ubptgbot<Squish :3> sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=krillin \ … —channel=ubports-touch/15.04/stable —bootstrap —recovery-image=recovery-krillin.img I tried using this command14:24
ubptgbot<Squish :3> the terminal says theres no system image on ubports server for krillin14:24
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> Yea, it looks like vmware won't passthrough USB devices unless the host has a driver14:24
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin damn...14:24
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> https://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_devices5.html14:24
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> Maybe the installer wasn't working on Windows simply because you didn't have fastboot drivers14:25
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin hm. So how can i install those? Will Minimal ADB and Fastboot drivers work?14:25
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> should work14:25
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin Ill give it a try. Thank you so much14:26
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> go into device manager and see if Windows recognizes the phone14:26
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> Yea no problem14:26
ubptgbot<Squish :3> windows recognizes the phone14:26
ubptgbot<Squish :3> as bq aquaris e4.514:26
ubptgbot<Squish :3> always has14:26
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> even in fastboot? I believe it will show up differently in fastboot mode14:27
ubptgbot<Squish :3> not in fastboot14:27
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> ah yea so try intalling fastboot drivers14:27
ubptgbot<Squish :3> WIll do!14:28
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> 😄14:28
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin, Let us hope.14:28
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin Thank you so much! It's working!!!14:38
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin Downloading Ubuntu Touch file 1 of 1214:41
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> awesome14:52
ubptgbot<Squish :3> its pushing file 1 of 13 for a while now...but im hoping this is normal...14:52
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> 🤞14:52
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Should it even take this long?14:53
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> If your phone is on the UBports Recovery screen it should be fine, otherwise if its stuck just retry the install14:53
ubptgbot<Squish :3> My phone is still with the screen that says Ubuntu on it14:54
ubptgbot<Squish :3> oh nvm14:54
ubptgbot<Squish :3> it is working14:54
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> oh ok, awesome!14:54
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Pushing file 3 out of 1314:55
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> 👍14:55
ubptgbot<Squish :3> still on screen that says Ubuntu though14:55
ubptgbot<Squish :3> but hey if its working im not complaining14:55
ubptgbot<Squish :3> sorry for bothering14:55
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> lol14:55
ubptgbot<Squish :3> but i never did this so questions must be asked14:55
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> No its fine, don't be afraid to ask questions!14:55
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Ty! It's just i always wanted to use UTouch but never had a phone that could support it. Now i got krillin and it does and im so hype. And i love to learn so14:56
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin Hey it worked! Showed no UBPorts logo anywhere throughout the installation but it worked! Full setup and has no Ubuntu Store,lots of improvements and the OpenStore installed! Thank you!15:08
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> @Squish :3, Awesome! No UBports logo is probably normal, I've only used UT on my Nexus 5 :P15:10
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @seshpenguin The krillin is different. But its good that it natively supports UTouch15:10
ubptgbot<Squish :3> i got the android version but preferred to switch to UT15:10
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> @Squish :3, Good choice lol15:11
ubptgbot<seshpenguin> Well in any case i'm glad it worked out15:11
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Same!15:11
ubptgbot<Squish :3> So the Open Store is integrated in the system?15:12
ubptgbot<Squish :3> the updates menu actually has app updates15:12
ubptgbot<Squish :3> wot15:12
ubptgbot<Mark> I thought I'd catch up on German news through the new 'taz.de' app but it won't launch. I'm using a BQ Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition updated to 15.04 stable. I couldn't see an email or contact for Gerhard Mocza. Hopefully he will see this and learn of the issue.15:35
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Hi folks, today i've made another wallpaper. It's a little bit retro, i hope, it is okay so. This wallpaper is mainly fit for the Nexus 5. 1080x192015:42
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/i0qWTc8A.png15:42
ubptgbot<Daniel> The wallpaper looks very nice on the Fairphone, too15:52
ubptgbot<Daniel> ☺15:52
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> @Daniel, Thats fine 😊15:52
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @Waldbursche Looks dope!15:55
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Fine. I made one more for the M10.15:57
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/KQwfXhga.png15:59
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> I hope it's proper with the notification circle16:02
ubptgbot<Daniel> It is ☺16:18
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Okay16:21
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @seshpenguin, Needs a double passthrough for two phone ID checks16:59
ZeroPointEnergyis there a way to start apps from the shell for debugging? If I try "qmlscene --desktop_file_hint /usr/share/click/preinstalled/com.ubuntu.ubports/1.8/com.ubuntu.ubports.desktop qml/Main.qml" I get:17:00
ZeroPointEnergyUbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed. Check that a Mir server is ...17:00
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> You can use `ubuntu-app-launch` to do it17:00
ZeroPointEnergyah ok, nice17:01
ZeroPointEnergythx17:01
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Squish :3, It does but it is better to use updates within OpenStore17:03
ZeroPointEnergyhmm, no output, the apps just crash right away17:03
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, It's better to use a hub in this case, so you can pass the hub device through to the VM, and it will stay connected.17:03
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @ZeroPointEnergy, Which rootfs?17:03
ZeroPointEnergyxenial armhf17:04
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Apparmor is wonky over there17:04
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> So... if you really want to play with it, disable apparmor for now. Until it gets fixed.17:04
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @dohbee, Thanks17:04
ubptgbot<dohbee> check the app log in `~/.cache/upstart/` and `/var/log/syslog` to see if apparmor is the issue or what17:04
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I think you can do it with `apparmor=0` on the cmdline17:04
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> not recommended for daily use17:05
ZeroPointEnergyMaybe what is going on there. They ran, then I changed all the kernel settings from the halium-boot check script and now they don't17:05
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yep, that'll enable apparmor17:05
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee maybe you know my answer here. How can I run unity8-dash from the commandline and have unity8 not reject the connection? I've tried `unity8-dash --destkop_file_hint=unity8-dash`17:06
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I spelled desktop wrong17:06
ZeroPointEnergywill try the latest rootfs buld. The one I used is almost two weeks old I see17:08
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Is UTouch heavier than android? If so is it supposed to eat more at your battery?17:14
ubptgbot<Flohack> @Squish :3, Its not as optimized as Android. But thats something that will be fixed over time17:19
ubptgbot<Squish :3> @Flohack oh alright. its just that i need my battery life 😆17:19
ubptgbot<Flohack> Everyone needs that but except with some devices the battery life is really ok17:19
ubptgbot<Squish :3> oh alright ^^17:20
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hey guys, I got Halium to boot ubports, but I'm getting a permission denied error when I try to "lxc-start -nandroid -F"17:22
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> You're running as `phablet`, right?17:22
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> `sudo -i` to get a root shell17:22
ubptgbot<Javacookies> battery is great on bq E5...Nexus 5 though not really17:22
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Has anyone tried it on e4.5?17:23
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Right, if I try it as root or in a root shell it spits a tone of file not found and file already exists errors17:23
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Well, those are probably the errors that explain why it isn't starting17:23
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Is it running already? `lxc-info -nandroid`17:23
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> I don't get them if I try it as phablet though, I put android back on it so I'll have to check later, but I don't think it was cause my device stayed on the power on screen17:24
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> As phablet it was saying it couldn't create create directories cause permission was denied17:25
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yes, because phablet doesn't have permission to run the container17:26
ubptgbot<JoshuaAshton> Hey guys any news about Nexus 5x?17:26
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @JoshuaAshton, It's sitting on my desk and I'd rather I threw it out the window17:26
ubptgbot<JoshuaAshton> Lol17:26
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Ahh OK, that explains that part, the missing files errors were to RM files, and the file already exist is prob why you asked if its already running, if it is, what can/should I try next?17:27
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> See why `lightdm` isn't starting17:27
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Good place to start is to run `unity-system-compositor` and see what it does17:28
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> (as root)17:28
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> OK, then use any errors its gives me as a starting point17:28
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> If it's broken, it'll probably segfault before it does anything else17:29
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Which is your chance to see what adreno does in `logcat`117:29
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> [Edit] Which is your chance to see what adreno does in `logcat`17:29
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> I tried startx (shows how far behind I am on Ubuntu) and it said invalid command lol17:29
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I don't think there's any libhybris OS that uses x17:29
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> I don't think any Linux distro uses x anymore17:30
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Most do17:30
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Wayland isn't ready yet17:30
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Do t they use like lightx or so.etching lightweight compared to the standard xwin system?17:30
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I don't think so? Just plain ol' x.org17:31
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hmm, anyways, thanks for the tips, I asked in halium and got "you have ssh, your done" for an answer17:31
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I answered that because I wasn't really sure what you were trying to do17:31
ubptgbot<spfox0> All of them use xorg display server. Ubuntu giving up Wayland on 18.0417:32
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> *facepalm* I didn't even realize till you just said that17:32
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I'm the Universal Super Box!17:32
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Lol17:32
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hopefully I'll get somewhere when I try again, I kinda needed the device though so I threw android back on it for now, glad I made backups before I did though17:34
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yep. Be extra sure to backup `/data/media`17:34
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Otherwise you'll get really sad17:35
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Well everything on my device is backed up to a SD card, and an external HDD once every 6 no this (no thly for SD)17:35
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It's normally not in nand backups from TWRP or similar17:36
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Yea, but I do a full backup once every 6 months which has a nand backup, then a backup of personal files, and a backup of anything else twrp doesn't backup17:37
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Cool17:38
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Yea been dealing with IT for several years, got tired of monthly full backups, so I do incrementals monthly and full backups every 617:39
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> I'm still a noon when it co.es to the mobile space and programming though17:40
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Noob, not noon17:40
ubptgbot<Squish :3> Im a definite noob when it comes to development.17:47
ubptgbot<Javacookies> there's really no Report an Issue/view source in the telegram app?17:48
ubptgbot<Squish :3> My telegram is fine xD17:48
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> @Javacookies, Do you have an issue to report?17:49
ubptgbot<Javacookies> yes, just wondering why there's no link in the app17:49
ubptgbot<Javacookies> would just like to request for Alt/Shift + Enter support :)17:50
ubptgbot<dohbee> Shouldn't that toggle full screen?18:06
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Where can i find the logfiles from uMatriks?18:12
ubptgbot<Javacookies> @dohbee, actually you might be right....yeah whatever keyboard combination will do … I think Shift + Enter works on most IM apps for entering a new line … and Alt + Enter I think is in MS Excel LOL18:14
ubptgbot<Javacookies> https://github.com/ubports/unity8/issues/16 … this made my day! loves the HUD :)18:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> Must disagree18:25
ubptgbot<Javacookies> and also this one … https://www.behance.net/gallery/51029335/Ubuntu-System-Indicators … UBports taking over the Unity8 is really exciting! :)18:25
ubptgbot<Javacookies> @dohbee, you're always on the other side...I don't like you, go away … LOL just kidding 😝18:26
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Javacookies, They are sexi18:27
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Javacookies, Yes boiii18:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> Eh. Needs a lot less stuff there18:31
ubptgbotZack was added by: Zack18:35
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Zack, Hello Zack. For a brief roundup of UBports stuff check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome18:36
ubptgbot<Zack> Thank you!18:37
ubptgbot<Stereofont> btw usernames are useful in Telegram, for pings, invites etc18:38
ubptgbot<Javacookies> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/p5zIiMUc.png18:56
ubptgbot<Javacookies> I never tried it on my ubuntu laptop but I'm definitely enjoying this on my Nexus 5 :)18:56
ubptgbot<Javacookies> oops....wrong screenshot18:56
ubptgbot<Javacookies> LOL18:56
ubptgbot<Javacookies> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/qhC572W0.png18:57
ubptgbot<Popesz> dear list, after giving up installing my old image to ubports without success i have decided to reset my bq e5. now i have an OTA 15 from 2017 january 27, without terminal, without openstore, means I can not install any new apps on it. Updates are not available and have no idea how to get to the next level :) any hints are welcome19:09
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I think the only way is not to give up19:12
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Popesz, Well, you will have to flash over to ubports19:13
ubptgbot<Popesz> true, will not give up, this weekend I managed to have an ubuntu 17.10, but forgot to install phablet-tools and adb so the ubports did not manage to flash the recovery and boot image.19:13
ubptgbot<Popesz> so tomorrow I follow the steps, hope that is enough to prepare the computer for successful flashing19:14
ubptgbot<dohbee> you need `ubuntu-device-flash` not `phablet-tools`19:14
ubptgbot<Popesz> and it is enough?19:14
ubptgbot<dohbee> it is the tool for flashing the device19:14
ubptgbot<Popesz> ubuntu-device-flash and ubport-installer?19:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't know if what's in 17.10 will still work or not though19:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> ubports-installer is basically a graphical version of ubuntu-device-flash19:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> you need one or the other, not necessarily both19:15
ubptgbot<Popesz> ubports stucks on the flashing recovery and boot images. tried it on mac, windows and ubuntu19:16
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Sounds hardware related. It is always worth trying another USB cable and if the micro usb port is a bit loose you can help to complete the connection by pressing very gently from one side19:18
ubptgbot<Popesz> adb devices lists the phone correctly, ubports recongises too, not really convinced if it is the cable19:19
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Cables are complex. Recognition does not mean that the data channel works correctly19:20
ubptgbot<Popesz> could someone make a list of commands step-by-step how to flash bq5 manually?19:21
ubptgbot<Popesz> ok will check it, however i use the original bq cable19:21
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Popesz, Often, the trash cable is the one that works19:21
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Best to join the Welcome & Install group19:22
ubptgbot<Popesz> sorry for it, i move there now, thanks19:23
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Any of the welcome links will take you there19:30
ubptgbot<dohbee> manually is a little more annoying on the original retail devices that came with ubuntu, because you need to flash using a special recovery image that enables adb19:31
ubptgbot<vanyasem> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/yAu5xl9l.png19:37
ubptgbot<vanyasem> the website is having some troubles19:37
ubptgbot<vanyasem> I can confirm19:38
ubptgbot<Flohack> @vanyasem, still not working??19:40
ubptgbot<vanyasem> nop19:40
ubptgbot<Flohack> damn19:40
ubptgbot<vanyasem> just got that message a minute ago and also manually checked19:40
ubptgbot<Popesz> a last wuick question, how I can install openstore on my device which has no working ubuntu apps nor terminal installed?19:40
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @sk8higher is very shy to post it here herself19:40
ubptgbot<Popesz> [Edit] a last quick question, how I can install openstore on my device which has no working ubuntu apps nor terminal installed?19:40
ubptgbot<Popesz> [Edit] a last quick question, how can I install openstore on my device which has no working ubuntu apps nor terminal installed?19:42
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Popesz, I do not think that you can19:42
ubptgbot<vanyasem> ssh / adb?19:43
ubptgbot<Popesz> or force a system update which is out of date but update will not find anything, says the device is up-to-date19:43
ubptgbot<Aury88> Same visualization on desk. I thought was a problem with a firefox plugin19:43
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Popesz, It was not designed to understand that UBports exists19:43
ubptgbot<Popesz> so my phone stucked on an antient image which can not be changed?19:44
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Popesz, It will have to be flashed to Ubuntu Touch from UBports. Sad to hear that ot has been so difficult for you19:45
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Popesz, [Edit] It will have to be flashed to Ubuntu Touch from UBports. Sad to hear that it has been so difficult for you19:46
ubptgbot<Popesz> especially that i do not want to say goodbye to ubuntu phone19:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Popesz, you would have to grab the click from the open store, and side-load it19:51
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Popesz, You must flash to the ubports image and server first19:51
ubptgbot<dohbee> maybe you should try to find a local to help you19:51
ubptgbot<dohbee> it is difficult to help further remotely, when all standard suggestions have been exhausted19:52
ubptgbot<Stereofont> May be a very inappropriate suggestion but depending on your circumstances, a used OnePlusOne would be a nice alternative19:53
ubptgbot<Popesz> would this work for me according to you? https://github.com/ubports/wiki.ubports.com/blob/master/How-to-install-Ubuntu-Touch-16.04.md19:58
ubptgbot<Popesz> changing the devicename to vegetablehd and the touch version to 15.04/stable19:59
ubptgbot<Stereofont> 16.04 is quite unstable still19:59
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Yee19:59
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Hopefully vegetahd19:59
ubptgbot<Popesz> true :)20:00
ubptgbot<dohbee> it should work20:00
ubptgbot<dohbee> using vegetahd won't help flash a krillin i don't think20:00
ubptgbot<dohbee> honestly, if the problems you're having flashing 15.04 are all local, it is very unlikely that trying to flash 16.04 will work any better20:01
ubptgbot<Popesz> so you meant i should just connect the phone and run the command in terminal or something else before needed20:01
ubptgbot<Popesz> you missunderstood me, I meant to flash 15.04 stable with the same command20:01
ubptgbot<Popesz> [Edit] you misunderstood me, I meant to flash 15.04 stable with the same command20:01
ubptgbot<dohbee> you also don't need to run that with sudo20:03
ubptgbot<dohbee> you also will need the correct recovery image to pass to ubuntu-device-flash, for your device20:03
ubptgbot<Popesz> how can I do it?20:04
ubptgbot<Popesz> I think i flashed it already many times, the questin is what is the correct order of this manual flashing20:04
ubptgbot<dohbee> You'll need the recovery image from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash20:04
ubptgbot<dohbee> and add `--recovery-image=recovery-krillin.img` for example, as an argument to the `ubuntu-device-flash` command20:05
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh you have e5, not e4.5, sorry20:06
ubptgbot<dohbee> so you need recovery-vegetahd.img from that link20:06
ubptgbot<dohbee> and `ubuntu-device-flash --server https://system-image.ubports.com/ touch --channel ubports-touch/15.04/stable --recovery-image recovery-vegetahd.img`20:07
ubptgbot<Popesz> that's it?20:10
ubptgbot<Popesz> i guess i have to change directory to my downloaded image20:17
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> btw YUMI stands for Your Universal Multiboot Installer20:24
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> 💨20:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't think so20:25
ubptgbot<vanyasem> skinminers_rus20:54
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @vanyasem, still broken21:01
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> Yikes. I've pinged the guys who usually know and can help but not sure if they replied. Thanks for notifying21:11
ubptgbot<Gabriele> (Photo, 1280x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/tO66pEUV.png21:14
ubptgbot<Gabriele> Here too the website.21:14
ubptgbot<dohbee> looks ok21:17
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> @Javacookies, thanks for the sponsoring btw😂21:38
ZeroPointEnergy@UniversalSuperBox the problem with the apps not starting was indeed apparmor. They work fine now. thanks. Will have to take a look at how to debug this23:20
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Policy needs to be righted in the rootfs23:21
ZeroPointEnergyin general or just for my device?23:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> In general23:24
ZeroPointEnergyah ok23:24
ZeroPointEnergythen I will look at the other stuff in the meantime :-)23:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> For your device maybe23:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> Depends on the exact issues23:33
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Apps not launching is fairly universal for Halium ports23:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> Yeah, because they're new devices23:33
ubptgbot<Popesz> just came back after couple hours of fighting. Looks like fastboot does not recognise my device. adb devices are fine but when ubports installer gets to sudo -S fastboot devices, the process stucks23:40
ubptgbot<Popesz> even added the vendor id to /dev/udev/.../99-android.rules but no success23:50

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