 @UniversalSuperBox any luck with n5x?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2vQxLk2R.mp4
 Oh man...so close
 Now I get to learn how to use crossbuilder
 Never mind, no arm64 builder available
 Dang
 I wish I could be of more assistance but me and porting...hmm
 Oh, this is just for cross-building unity8 since I appear to have upset the ci gods
 Oh lol
[01:38] <ubptgbot> novosve was added by: novosve
 @TronFortyTwo, LOL that was for the issue O reported in OpenStore, and oh! your app doesn't work on my Nexus 5, just blank screen, only tried Pokemon Emerald though 😅
 @novosve, Welcome!
 @novosve, Yes, welcome!  Here is a link to get you started and let us know if you have any questions! :) … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Thank you. I wonder could this project get new life with Librem5 phone.
 Something I'm working on lately. Some of it was inspired by this project.
 (Photo, 1280x622) https://irc.ubports.com/GbRpZkGe.png
 (Photo, 1280x622) https://irc.ubports.com/ErDqAh55.png
 (Photo, 646x676) https://irc.ubports.com/3C7r8vak.png
 Well, UBports is in discussions with Purism. Does that help?
 is that a matrix icon on bottom ? :)
 Ah, I remember you! You're the Purism designer, right?
 Yes [m]
 🙂
 Yes
 @wayneoutthere, That is nice!
 I'm had chance to test Ubuntu Phone and I must say it was impressive.
 Would be very glad to see it rocking again.
 🚀
 It's only a Nexus 5 or OnePlus One away from being in your hands.  A $50 buy for the former if you're patient and canny, or maybe $80 if you're impatient.  Add $30-40 for the OP1.
 Would give you a nice reference as you work on your new designs.
[02:13] <ubptgbot> <Igor Dikiy> Does it matter if I build halium 5.1 or 7.1 for porting Ubuntu Touch?
 Flo likes to recommend the earlier one, assuming your device came with 5.1
 @trainailleur, I got my Nexus 5 new with 32 GB for $104 on eBay
 N5 pricing moving to OT.  😄
[02:33] <ubptgbot> <Igor Dikiy> hmm, now I am starting to get worried, my device is even pre-5.1
 So were most supported devices
 @novosve, Might be easier to answer when hardware is finalized, but Ubuntu touch stack is heavily dependent on Android underneath for actual phones
 @dohbee, Hardware do you mean SOC or the compete pcb? As far as I know that will using I.mx8
 Everything. Because broadband is supposed to be separate
 And then there's kill switches
[03:00] <ubptgbot> <Igor Dikiy> @dohbee, Thanks. I really know nothing about this
[04:19] <ubptgbot> juanra20 was added by: juanra20
 @UniversalSuperBox did you guys update the site or something? It's a bit wonky
 (Photo, 1280x638) https://irc.ubports.com/mQ2utydG.png
 I've refreshed several times
 Same here.
 Wordpress updated or a theme updated and broke the child-theme
 looks good now!
 @Igor Dikiy, Have you looked for a working CM or Lineage port that is 5.1?
 @Igor Dikiy, [Edit] Have you looked for a working CM or Lineage port that is 5.1 or 7.1?
 @juanra20, Hi Juan, you may be interested first to visit our starting page: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/VH0edPuS.png Website works here :)
 Does anyone have trouble loading it?
 @kz6fittycent, Same Still
 Or did I missed the "It's working again" post?
 I have it OK
 İn my iPhone 8
 @rossywoman, iPhone? How dare you curse about that phone in here ;)
 Joking :D
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/YI0UGtoL.png
 ;) @Mohannes
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Ozlh9kCq.png
 @rossywoman ;)
 I just tried firefox on Windows 10, Ubuntu, also Opera , ... everywhere it works perfect
 also on iPhone 6S works perfect
 @Mohannes, Xd
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8JmEAJpY.mp4
 and also perfect on the new browser Jade Diamond for kids
 @kz6fittycent, Which browser are you using?
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/fXjVAD99.png @Mohannes
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> anbox news https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/nsf0dWnC.mp4
 😅
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxo3Jy3p8zo
 @Popesz, Maybe investigate full cache?
 @milkor73, 👍👍
 @Javacookies, Yup, idk why, but Pokemon Emerald doesn't work, but the other games do.
 Wait...wut...did someone say....Pokemon?
 @TronFortyTwo, oh really? what a coincidence that that's the only ROM I have, I thought the emulator isn't really working :)
 @Javacookies, Yes, it's weird
[09:34] <ubptgbot> iwanderer was added by: iwanderer
 @iwanderer, Hi Leslie, Welcome, pls start here to enjoy the best way: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @milkor73, Thank you
 "UBports resurrects Unity 8 desktop environment with alpha version running on Ubuntu 16.04", in french: https://www.developpez.com/actu/190008/UBports-ressuscite-l-environnement-de-bureau-Unity-8-avec-une-version-alpha-qui-tourne-sur-Ubuntu-16-04-et-18-04/
 Sorry but I always think, why run a gaming emulator on a phone? Especially as I don't often hear of people using hardware controllers on a Ubuntu Phablet. Why not get a 3DS or PS Vita, hack it wide open and get near perfect emulation with button and stick controls?
 @TartanSpartan, If you are on 3ds with latest OS is a little hard to hack it. :D
 Right, same with Vita, but that's why people are careful to pick specific firmware if they want to tinker with these consoles :)
 The next phone for ubports 😆😂
 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/nokias-latest-nostalgia-bait-feature-phone-is-the-8110-banana-phone/
 I just to upgraded my N4 (multirom, devchannel ) via OTA to r172 and it was working without problems!
 -to... autocorrection...
 @Mohannes, +1
 Wait....Wayne is giving me +1?
 A sign of the apocalypse
 :D
 @JSJoubert, i have moved this awesome phone to the OT room ;)
 @Mohannes, sorry, the minus button was right beside the plus...
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Xg0NazfO.png
[13:23] <ubptgbot> Oscar Forero was added by: Oscar Forero
 the audio cast is the Adult Swim of linux podcasts...out there, quirky, fun. Pretty cool what they did w/ newscast.
[13:33] <Woodpecker> I am looking for a project to help update my Qt Skills. Id like to be brought up to speed with UbPorts and this unity8 business
[13:34] <Woodpecker> I was interested in Yunit and had planned to contribute, but other obligations did not give me time to contribute to the project.
 you might enjoy the dedicated Unity8 group on Telegram.  https://t.me/UBports_Unity8
[13:36] <Woodpecker> Is Ubports now handling development of unity8? I ask because I saw this https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Unity-8-On-Ubuntu-18.04
 Yep!
[13:44] <Woodpecker> ughhh, wish I could get telegram. I only use data for phone though so I cant receive sms.
 Mmh, yeah, that is a problem. Well, people who are in the Unity 8 group are generally here as well
 you can use matrix
 not sure if the u8 channel is bridged to it too though
 It's not, the available Matrix bridges are still iffy
 They'll get there though
[13:53] <Woodpecker> welp
 Oh hey :)
[13:54] <Woodpecker> heyo
[14:08] <Woodpecker> All right lets make this simple on me. Is UBPorts now handling the development of Unity8, and has the Yunit project capitulated? Last time I checked in, UBPorts was only handling porting to devices, where as Yunit would be continuing development on the desktop environment.
 Yes to both counts
[14:13] <ubptgbot> guilain was added by: guilain
[14:16] <Woodpecker> Okay. Now; considering the unity8 name is the same; Is Unity8 still blessed by Canonical, in that it has the same relative status that an official derivative like kubuntu has to the project. I ask because on meta askubuntu; we discussed the issue of ubports being off topic, and the metric they used was that for something to be on topic, it had to be an official derivative of sorts.
 In terms of us being an official flavor? We are not yet.
[14:17] <Woodpecker> It would be nice if we could still continue directing development questions there.
[14:17] <Woodpecker> not yet? meaning that we are aiming for that goal?
 It's certainly a discussion, and at least part of the reason for the `bionic` builds of Unity8
[14:19] <Woodpecker> And until then, I am assuming AskUbuntu considers unity8 offtopic...
[14:21] <Woodpecker> Okay well then; If I want to develop, the first step is to upgrade to bionic. Is development being coordinated on Github or Launchpad?
 GitHub, https://github.com/ubports/unity8
 Project board is https://github.com/ubports/unity8/projects/1
[14:22] <Woodpecker> lol at the bazaar files
 Yeah
[14:29] <Woodpecker> Are most people building this in QtCreator?
 Hmm... I'm not sure about that one, but the instructions should still be up to date
[14:30] <Woodpecker> Building Unity 8
[14:30] <Woodpecker> [14:30] <Woodpecker> Only Ubuntu 14.04 (trusty) is supported as a developement environment.
[14:30] <Woodpecker> lol
[14:31] <Woodpecker> https://github.com/ubports/unity8/blob/xenial/CODING
 Well that's not good
 Nexus5 or Firphone2 better for Ubuntu Touch?
[14:40] <Woodpecker> I have a nexus5; the battery is god awful
[14:41] <Woodpecker> It seems the nexus5 have battery issues at this age. Not due to the Ubuntu touch.
[14:41] <Woodpecker> Ubuntu Touch works quite well on the Nexus 5 otherwise. I tried it on the One Plus One, and its performance was awful.
 That doesn't seem right... when did you try it?
[14:43] <Woodpecker> Right when the Yunit project was started, so about last August.
 anyone have problems loging in using unity 8?
[14:46] <Woodpecker> 0ne thing that is nice about ubuntu touch, is that it has a bloody awesome terminal. Termux and any android implementations are pretty awful.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I don't think we will be. We can't reasonably meet the requirements for that.
 Not with Ubuntu Touch for phones, no
 But someone could pop up a Unity 8 distro
 we could still be Ubuntu Unity Remix
 i want to try, but don't know how to play with packages when building a distro
 would love a streamlined unity8 distro
[14:57] <Woodpecker> I would like that too.
[14:57] <Woodpecker> The first thing I would like to tackle would be getting the HUD working again.
[14:58] <Woodpecker> Wondering if we could use Martin Wimpress's code for what he did in Mate... Tried it the other day; I liked its performance.
 details on Martin's code?
 you don't need martin's code
[15:04] <Woodpecker> I cant give many details because I have not looked at the code, and I cant say how it compares to Unity7. I would not know for example which has broader support. Unity7 for example didnt reach any java support.
 and i doubt it would be helpful here, because mate is not based on the ubuntu ui toolkit or even qe/qml
 qt/qml even
[15:04] <Woodpecker> Im just saying its something I want to tackle.
 most of the code for the HUD already exists in unity8
[15:05] <Woodpecker> Right, I guess that would make sense given the integrated menu bar.
[15:05] <Woodpecker> sorry; just expressing some reckless enthusiasm.
[15:06] <Woodpecker> just saw your post dobey
[15:07] <Woodpecker> https://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/17163/is-ubports-within-the-scope-of-askubuntu/17708#17708
[15:18] <ubptgbot> V1KKY was added by: V1KKY
[15:25] <ubptgbot> <Oscar Forero> Hi everybody, is there any LATAM comunity available?
 @Oscar Forero, Not specific to LA, but there's a Portuguese and a Spanish channel.
[15:30] <ubptgbot> Michael Schulze was added by: Michael Schulze
 Hello Vigneshwara and Michael.  Please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Damn, my N4 battery died. I was testing 16.04 and it suddenly shutted down and never wake up anymore. I noticed the battery was bulged.. 😞
 Oh
 Rest in peace, N4
 the battery is replaceable
 @samitormanen, Oh no 😳
 I have replaced it once. Cheap chinese battery didn't last more than year..
 It isnvery easy to replace. Harder job is to find good quality battery..
 Too bad you can't just print a "battery" on a 3d printer at home yet
 @dohbee, That would be cool! 😂
 Maybe someday
 @dohbee, Hijacking, is there a way to dismiss the lock screen from a root shell
 @UniversalSuperBox, lock screen, or login greeter?
 The lock screen on the phone
 no, there isn't really. it's internal to the unity8 process
[16:38] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Helloes people! Came here just to say hello and have the rest of a nice day!
 its 10:20pm here good night
 Sorry OT, but does anyone have any experiences about Polarcell batteries?
[16:53] <ubptgbot> <Michael Schulze> Hello and sorry, i wasn't with my phone. Nice to meet your group.
 @samitormanen, that's what @ubports_ot is for :)
 @TartanSpartan, Why are there so many bluetooth gamepads being made for Android/iOS devices then? :)
 The latest newsdesk mentions fix for MTP on OnePlus One.  Is it correct to assume that was fixed in Halium and therefore impossible to backport to 15.04?
 (Not that I would ask dev team to spend time on it for 15.04 anyway, just curious.)
 scp is working for me for the now.
 The core devices still have the ubp-5.1 old compatibility stuff
 But you're correct, it's going into 16.04
 [Edit] (scp is working for me for now.)
 Cool, thanks.  Makes me even more excited for 16.04.
[17:34] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> I'm trying to get 16.04 working, should I just go with 15 for now as I'm porting to a new device?
[17:34] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Well more accurately trying to port
[17:36] <ubptgbot> <Luis Fortanet> @UniversalSuperBox, Good idea!!
 it's now a race to complete bezel-less phones....you think UT gestures will play well with very slim or virtually no bezel?
 Sure... as long as you have no case
 anyone has experience with the latest phones? the latest phone a got is Nexus 5 LOL
 @UniversalSuperBox, oh I see... I don't like cases anyway, I don't even use screen protector....takes away the experience
 @Javacookies, I don't use a screen protector either and I would RATHER not use a case but I'd end up dropping the phone and breaking it unfortunately
 @Stereofont Regarding Anbox (I just saw you mention it) is there a way to install on a Nexus 5 yet?
 @AmolithSeregion, Get a FP2. Chunky casing and even if the display does break, you click in a new one 😎
 @AmolithSeregion, Only Pro5 and M10, latest I heard
 @Stereofont, I thought it was on the OP 1 as well? I did know it was available on the Pro5 and M10
 @dohbee and are they compatible with UT devices? And most gamers will always opt for an integrated handheld console with buttons and sticks around a screen, if that's a touchscreen, all the better.
 @AmolithSeregion, there is still an issue with qualcomm devices
 Both 3DS and Vita easily conform to the ubiquitous, nearly 30 year standard of "D-Pad mirrored by ABXY/PS shape buttons with Start/Select and L/R" set by the SNES. Vita even allows the L2/3 R2/3 additions provided by the Dualshock family if you buy a cheap grip which allows haptic input of the rear touchscreen. At that point a
[18:22] <ubptgbot> long with the touchscreen, mic, cameras and gyroscope, all you're missing is rumble feedback. Phablets can't hope to compare even with external controllers.
 Is there a way to see current data usage yet?
 @UniversalSuperBox on the subject of cases, I have a Pro 5 case which has the edge of it's shell very very close to the screen. Much easier to use for UT than a similar case for the MX4 with a raised edge. So that's the preferred manner of function and form.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/USpFxsVN.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/F12UtLqh.webp
 @TartanSpartan, I have a N5 case with really raised edges around the screen so I had to use UT Tweaks to increase the size of the edges where swipe is detected
 Yeah, has to be flush, but tricky to test these in brick and mortar stores if they don't even carry cases for these somewhat more niche phones (compared to iCrap and your Samsung Galaxies/Google Pixels).
 *front touchscreen, for my Vita defence
 Haha like a PHD Viva defence... I'll exit stage left now O:)
 *along with the front touchscreen, damn my perfectionist desire to amend messages.
 @Javacookies, Get one of the tempered glass screen protectors. The one for my N5 worked really well.
 I don't know.... I just don't like using one, it's like wasting something you bought...it's just an additional reason to not take care of your phone 😁.....my bq E5 3 years without it, screen is still good 😉
 @TartanSpartan, I think they just pretend to be HID devices, so should work, yes, assuming Ubuntu will let you pair them.
 @Javacookies, Not at all. Primary reason i have a screen protector is to protect from scratches, not so I can use my phone to smack things with. And the screen will get scratched while it's in your pocket, or if like me, you place it face down while sleeping, so that any notifications that pulse the LED don't wake you up
 I think of tempered glass screen protectors, peel on screen protectors and cases like body armour. Probably better to have it and not need it than find yourself in a critical situation and not have it.
 and sometimes, you will drop your phone. it just happens for whatever reason. saved my screen once with the protector
 ^This. And my Pro 5 case has a knotted string lanyard too. Layers of security.
 @AmolithSeregion, Yes. Your bill 😂
 @Stereofont, Lol I don't get a bill. I get 1 GB a month free and if I go over that's it lol
 @AmolithSeregion, Guessing a webapp to your phone account is the easiest for now. The lockscreen would be a lot more useful if it showed that figure
 @Stereofont, Don't have an account that shows that either 😂 My minutes are provided by Tracphone for free through Safelink. My account is with Safelink and there is no dashboard or anything
 There has to be some way to probe your allowances? Internet, SMS or call are my options.
 The point about having a usage graph built into UT is taken though. A pretty basic feature
 I am super keen on getting a FP2
 I'm in the waiting list
 @ferds666, It is quirky but loaded with sense
 @TartanSpartan, now imagine a case that brings a modern phone up to that standard
 I agree @Stereofont I wouldn't have thought that it would take much effort to mimic that feature from Android.
 @Stereofont, What do you mean?
 @Fuseteam, would be very easy to make something that you could snap the nintendo switch controllers on to, with a phone in the middle, for example
 @AmolithSeregion he agrees that you should be able to check data usage on the phone like this:
 (Photo, 549x309) https://irc.ubports.com/agayLvXX.png
 @TartanSpartan, I mean do you know what he means by it being taken?
 Does somebody currently have the Xenial version installed?  I built Kaidan (XMPP client) as click package for xenial (because it needs Qt > 5.8), but I don't have a Ubuntu Touch device yet. I would be happy about beta testers :)
 Just to warn you, I'm not sure if it even starts
 Post some instructions and I'm sure someone would take a look
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/GyFr23Wf.null
 @UniversalSuperBox, Basically it's just installing and testing the click package, and sending logs if possible
 @AmolithSeregion, "I take your meaning" (it is understood)
 @JBBgameich, I'll try to try it LOL I'm thinking what's the easiest way to get the click file on my 16.04 installation given that most apps isn't really working there even the openstore 😁
 probably downloading and installing using the click command in the terminal
 I can upload it to some http server if that's easier than downloading from Telegram
 @JBBgameich, It's better to install with `pkcon install-local file.click`
 `--allow-untrusted`
 @JBBgameich, seems you're missing the framework
 oh yeah, `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted file.click`
 `Cannot install /home/phablet/kaidan.kaidanim_0.3.2_armhf.click: No "framework" entry in manifest`
 Oh ... As there is no framework for Xenial, I'd need to use a fake 15.04 framework
 But why not :)
 Yeah, there have been discussions of tossing up a new framework
 Kaidan is not using ubuntu UI toolkit anyway ... but click seems to depend on this entry
 yup
 I'll rebuild the package, fixed version comint soon
 [Edit] I'll rebuild the package, fixed version coming soon
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/jvA24apn.null
 `** (process:10277): WARNING **: Unable to exec 'kaidan' in '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/kaidan.kaidanim': No such file or directory`
 @AmolithSeregion, Sorry. May have been UK English 😋 I mean that it would be good to implement that feature. First step would be to figure where in the system that information lives
 @UniversalSuperBox, Does the binary need to be on the top of the click file structure?
 No... I'd be willing to bet there's something screwy with the desktop file
 Were you going by thi? https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html#click-package-overview
 Not yet, but I think I know how to fix it
 lib/$ARCH_TRIPLET/bin is on PATH in a click
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/LFi2xa03.null
 `error while loading shared libraries: libgloox.so.17: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
 Closer!
 It should be inside the click, do I need to tell it where to find the libs somehow?
 hint: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set to `lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf`
 QML2_IMPORT_PATH is also the same
 Any chance I could get you to add handy tips like that to the click package overview, @DanChapman ?
 This click is basicly a bundle of extracted deb files, so libraries are in `usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/` and qml is in `usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/`
 @Stereofont, I wasn't reading it right lol; it makes sense now.
 @Stereofont, It doesn't "live" anywhere right now
 @dohbee, So where would it live if it did? 😉
 @JBBgameich, ah ok so to workaround that maybe a launch script which adds those to LD_LIBRARY_PATH and QML2_IMPORT_PATH? … The typical click layout is … ```# on PATH … lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/bin … # LD_LIBRARY_PATH … lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf … # QML2_IMPORT_PATH … lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf``` … ```
 Or filemanager has a script to install debs into the right location https://github.com/ubports/filemanager-app/blob/master/get-click-deps
 @JBBgameich, Maaaybe it works now
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/j46C2ly8.null
 @DanChapman, Thanks, will have a look at it
 @JBBgameich, No, it won't, forgot to adjust desktop file
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/10irhEKY.null
 `Failed to create writable directory at /home/phablet/.local/share/kaidan`
 you got apparmor'd, I think
 looks like it's trying to create a directory in the wrong location
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sure! I'll add what I can 😊
 @dohbee, Is there an environment variable that lists where a click should put its data?
 @UniversalSuperBox, i think you have to combine `$XDG_DATA_HOME` and `$APPID`
 so `$XDG_DATA_HOME/$APPID`
 there should be a thing about it in the docs, iirc
 @Stereofont, I don't know.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Or in qt set the QCoreApplication::applicationName to match the appid. i.e kaidan.kaidanim and standard paths will do the right thing
 Is there some format for AppIDs or can I also call it io.github.kaidanim?
 that's valid 😊 either reverse domain or appname.developer
 ok, thank you all for your help and testing :) I'll continue tomorrow
 @JBBgameich, it would need to be io.github.kaidanim.kaidan or something then
 since you wouldn't want the namespace to be "io.github"
 @JBBgameich, there is now https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-meta/commit/51c2bd86e4bee0bd2672176a518276d71d360cd6
 Oh nice! Is that already in the image?
 @JBBgameich, should be in the latest yeah
 Do we expect the browser app to become more difficult to keep active/in memory the more tabs it has up?
 Well yeah... using more memory means it's a better candidate for reclaiming memory
 Right. I have ~105 tabs, some of them will be useless stuff like a temp tab to log on to the bus wifi. Time for a cleanout!
 (says the guy with ~100 Chrome tabs and god knows how many Firefox tabs on his Ubuntu desktop, admittedly with 16GB of RAM)
 105 tabs :P
 Haha yes it's way overkill.
 think it's safe to say the ubuntu webbrowser use little memoty if you can even run that much on a phone
 uhm
 This is on the M10, and as I've been using it lately, it runs browser for ~15 mins before closing it.
 how the heck do you have so many tabs open
 Combination of wanting to browse lots of different things with big priority, and looking at lots of fleeting things with low priority.
 I dunno about you guys but I rank my tablet over my phones for web browsing, the greater the screen real estate, the better, right?
 Also my lowgrade OCD compells me to go back in a tab's history and check if there was anything important I wanted to come back to.
 i mean, i can't even deal with more than about 10 tabs open
 Maybe what I have is anti-OCD? *shrugs*
 and i mean on my PC, which has a 4K display and 32 GB RAM
 Fair F's.
 i think that's called ADD, not OCD :)
 Hmmm, I never got proscribed Ritalin :D
 prescribed*
 When I have more than three tabs opened I start being too confused to actually understand the content of the one in the foreground
 @dohbee, Me 15~20tabs. But I know people with +50~ always
 I only sometimes jump between them, I just like keeping a lot so I can come back to them. I have some hoarder tendencies I guess.
 heh, i think we're getting a bit off topic now though
 in short though, yes, more tabs == more memory used
 and more CPU too
 background tabs don't get paused while you're focused on a particular one
 Ain't that the truth.
 so any javascript running in them will still consume CPU if they need to (which means you're probably mining some ETH for someone else, on your tablet)
 Especially given my decision, noted a couple of months ago, to set SWAP to 0 on my UT devices.
 What is a desktop app that would be good on UT?
 define "good"
 if you mean apps which are not built with consideration of phones/tablets in their designs, they're generally not going to be great, but they will be "OK" when using an external display
 @dohbee, Works well with touch and won't take up all my RAM
 xbill
 @dohbee, What's that?
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBill
 @dohbee, Do I need to use a specific container identifier or does it matter what I use?
 You can give your container whatever id you want when you create it
 well, it can't have underscore in the id
 Can I put more than one app in that container?
 yes, you can install as many apps in one container as you like
 or as many as your storage space will allow
 What do I need to do to enable ssh?
 in the host?
 I would like to ssh from my laptop to my phone but looping back would be fine too
 [Edit] I would like to ssh from my laptop to my phone but looping back (from phone backt to phone) would be fine too
 [Edit] I would like to ssh from my laptop to my phone but looping back (from phone back to phone) would be fine too
 There's a very cool post about ssh in UT
 connect to the device over usb using `phablet-shell` command from the `phablet-tools` package, or `android-gadget-service enable ssh` iirc
 http://kriscode.blogspot.com.ar/2017/12/ssh-and-ubuntu-touch.html
 Like the title says, it has everything you would want to ask
 that is a bit too much for simply connecting to the phone via ssh
 Let's see how well this works . . . I'm on Arch
 Alternatively, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
 But wasn't there a catch there? Some security thing that won't allow easy access...
 @Gorsh2, no?
 That's what it says there in the post, though
 " Allowing access to clients … On the UT device, by default there is a pre-existing ssh service configuration that is somewhat more restrictive than the default configuration on Ubuntu desktop. The main difference is that on UT the password authentication over ssh is disabled. "
 kris was trying to forward X display over ssh and do all kinds of other things though
 not simply ssh into the phone to run stuff on the phone
 on CLI
 OH
 @AmolithSeregion, If yoi want to loopback you might be interested in the Iperspace app in the OpenStore that helps there
 Then I followed that tutorial for no reason...
 if you enable ssh and put your public key in `~/.ssh/authorized_keys` then you can ssh in
 i suggest using `phablet-shell` to connect over USB first, as it uses ssh over USB, and first enables ssh, and will generate a key and copy it over
 after that you can just ssh directly over wifi if you want
 if you want to ssh from the phone into other things, just generate a key, and then copy the public key to whatever host you wish to connect to, so you can connect
 @Gorsh2, Yeah, there's no good reason to enable password authentication, really
 Yeah, but you still have to create a key and such
 i'm pretty sure password auth is disabled by default on regular ubuntu too, iirc
 yeah, but `ssh-keygen` isn't terribly hard to run :)
 I had some issue I can't remember now; mostly from my ignorance of the whole stuff
 Then I solved it, I think.
 What's the difference between the two keys generated with `ssh-keygen`?
 One is public and one is private
 Never give anyone your private key
 So I assume .pub is public?
 yep
 yes
 @UniversalSuperBox, And private is the one I copy to my other device?
 no
 Nope
 What do I do with the private one?
 private is the one you keep private
 See... the whole deal is not clear to everyone. :)
 Alright, thank you!
 @Gorsh2, of course not, but this has nothing to do with the phone
 ssh is ssh, no matter what device you are using for server or client
 Yeah, but I'm used to password authentication. Anyway, yeah, if it's safer this way and the learning curve is not too much, then better.
 private you keep on the client device in `~/.ssh/` (the easiest thing to do, so you just leave it there)
 the public key (.pub) is what you paste into the `~/.ssh/authorized_keys` file on the host you're connecting to
 @Gorsh2, well, guessing you're very short password is a lot less work than guessing a 2048 bit key
 so yeah, a key is safer, as long as you keep it safe so that others can't get your private key
 Great explanation, I think I'll swap my server's ssh... server, to key authentication then. I don't plan on anyone else using it.
 @AmolithSeregion, Leave it in ~/.ssh on the machine where you generated it.
 `adb: error: failed to get feature set: no devices/emulators found`
 I do have phablet-tools installed
 @dohbee, When I try to install it, the output is like when you're trying to install two packages in two different terminals
 ?
 @dohbee, `E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)` … `E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?` … `E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)` … `E: Unable to lock the administ
[23:04] <ubptgbot> ration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?`
 What are you doing to install it? That looks like you're trying to install it in the root fs
 you need to `libertine-container-manager install-package -p xbill`
 if you have multiple containers you have to pass container id too
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @dohbee, That is exactly what I ran. I only have one container
 @UniversalSuperBox, That's the guide I was following to get this far
 weird
 @dohbee, Any ideas?
 well are you running something else in the container that would have the package manager locked?
 Not that I know of. How would I stop something from running if it is? Just exit the terminal application?
 I did that and ran the command again with the same output
 @dohbee, Not that I know of. How would I stop something from running if it is? Just exit the terminal application?
 Well I did that with the same output
 Well I don't know what all you're running exactly and how or where. I don't think unattended upgrades is set up in libertine, so that shouldn't be doing it.
 @dohbee, It's all local from the terminal app. Would SSH be doing it?
 no
 @dohbee, Any idea how to fix this? `ssh: connect to host 10.44.241.190 port 22: No route to host`
 well i don't know what your network configuration is like
 but that means the server is unreachable from the client
 @dohbee, That's probably because I'm at school then
 @dohbee, Well I rebooted the phone to stop whatever was running and ran the command again and it's installed
 ok
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 Whenever I try to download a ubports rootfs, I get a network interrupted error, is this happening for anyone else?
 yes, use `wget` so it resumes