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[15:18] <notsgnik> hello there, i wanned to tel the devs that since today i'm lagging in video games i use to run smoudly couple of days ago
[15:18] <notsgnik> i haven't change my environement apart from daily updates
[15:19] <notsgnik> i tried an nvidia driver i'm sure it was working smoudly
[15:19] <notsgnik> still the same lags
[15:28] <notsgnik> even with low setting it laggs
[15:29] <notsgnik> i'll try reinstalling ubuntu with the last daily and let you guys know if it's still slow
[17:31] <BLZbubba> did anyone figure out how to do ddns on 18.04 or has this feature been removed?
[17:34] <BLZbubba> i'll have to redeploy ceph on centos, please don't make me do that
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> !info ddclient
[17:37] <ubottu> ddclient (source: ddclient): address updating utility for dynamic DNS services. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.8.3-1.1ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 72 kB, installed size 319 kB
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS tryed this?
[17:38] <BLZbubba> no, it has been working fine with dhclient forever and it worked initially with the 18.04 install from a month ago
[17:38] <BLZbubba> but in the past week they all stopped sending the host name
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: lets c if i can find related bugs
[17:40] <BLZbubba> interestingly they all have a dhclient leases file dated from the day I did the install
[17:41] <BLZbubba> like maybe the installer used dhclient and then it switched to networkd on the first boot
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: perhaps you could test the proposed version?
[17:41] <BLZbubba> you mean the latest daily build?  i can do that
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: what do you mean, your not up to date?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: if the proposed version doesnt fix you could file a new !bug perhaps, or wait until beta1 comes out
[17:44] <BLZbubba> i use apt-get update regularly but the original install image was from about a month ago
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: thats the same thing if your up to date its allright
[17:46] <BLZbubba> perhaps i am just using the wrong term.  what is the feature called where the dhcp client sends the hostname back to be added to dns?
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | BLZbubba this what you need?
[17:48] <ubottu> BLZbubba this what you need?: Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hosts to include BOTH the old and new hostname and then change /etc/hostname to the new one. WARNING! Make sure that your current hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly.
[17:49] <BLZbubba> no, something weird is going on with the 18.04 dhcp client - i set up a ceph cluster with like 20 systems which were registering their host names with the dhcp server
[17:50] <BLZbubba> and they all stopped sending the host names recently but the ip addresses work fine
[17:51] <BLZbubba> now i'm starting to suspect that the installer was using dhclient and registered the names
[17:51] <BLZbubba> and systemd-networkd was never sending them.  but this is still just a theory
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: are you using 18.04 for production?
[17:54] <BLZbubba> yes, only for our patients' heart monitors though
[17:54] <BLZbubba> jk!  it is a test lab
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: if you sure dhclient acting weird, try the one from proposed as a test
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: if that doesnt fix, file a new !bug
[17:55] <BLZbubba> 18.04 doesn't use dhclient anymore, it is now netplan & systemd-networkd
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> on ubuntu server
[17:57] <BLZbubba> which is going to break dhcp for a lot of people.  for example, for the past decade we have assigned ip addresses based on the MAC address, and then used the sendhostname feature to update DNS.  Both features appear to be removed from 18.04
[17:58] <BLZbubba> still 2 days before a freeze -- not too late to reverse this boneheaded decision
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> !bug | BLZbubba 
[17:58] <ubottu> BLZbubba: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> its never too late for a bug, before or after doesnt matter
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: also keep in mind we still in development branch, anything can happen/change/brake
[18:03] <TJ-> BLZbubba: for systemd-networkd, in the .network config file,  LLMNR=true enables link layer multicast name resolution
[18:04] <BLZbubba> TJ-: how do I tell netplan to do this?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1664806
[18:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1664806 in MAAS "No documented way to set a default DNS server if no per-interface servers exist" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[18:05] <TJ-> BLZbubba: generally you don't, you let netplan generate the initial config which on each boot gets written under /run/systemd/network/ then copy the generated files to the permanent /etc/systemd/network/ directory and add your further configuration there
[18:07] <TJ-> BLZbubba: then netplan can be disabled, or you can manually deploy config files from the start and not use netplan
[18:09] <BLZbubba> i thought the whole point of netplan was not to keep any of these ephemeral config files.
[18:09] <BLZbubba> i will switch back to /etc/network/interfaces before doing all that nonsense
[18:10] <BLZbubba> most people will use the default which is netplan & systemd-networkd, which doesn't behave like dhclient
[18:11] <BLZbubba> hopefully ubuntu will fix these options before release time, otherwise users will be surprised when their ip address changes (due to the non-mac-based dhcp client) and their host name stops working
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> BLZbubba: !bug to the rescue :p
[18:11] <TJ-> No, the idea of netplan is that we have one place to create a basic config that a boot-time generator can render for the actual network service
[18:13] <BLZbubba> from the netplan design page:
[18:13] <BLZbubba> Key goals
[18:13] <BLZbubba> Key goals
[18:13] <BLZbubba> Usable in initramfs (few dependencies and fast) No persistent generated config, only original YAML config 
[18:13] <BLZbubba> etc etc
[18:14] <BLZbubba> which is a laudable goal
[18:14] <BLZbubba> but it would be better if netplan could set the dhcp client options to match dhclient
[18:17] <BLZbubba> TJ-: and thanks for the LLMNR acronym, that is making my searches work much better
[18:19] <BLZbubba> is that the feature that updates the dns server database?
[18:33] <TJ-> netplan is very basic, it doesn't have support for many features of systemd-networkd nor network-manager
[18:33] <TJ-> BLZbubba: no, LLMNR uses multi-cast on the link-layer to let all devices discover other hostnames
[18:35] <BLZbubba> oh yeah that isn't it then.  there is a dhcp protocol feature that lets clients "suggest" their host name to the dhcp server for use with dns
[18:35] <BLZbubba> it is supposed to be the default with systemd-networkd but it is definitely not working on my 18.04 systems
[18:37] <TJ-> Yes, it's like the dhclient -H option isn't it
[18:39] <BLZbubba> I think so, i'm trying to get some help from #systemd
[18:40] <BLZbubba> on how to debug this option
[18:41] <BLZbubba> i still have PTSD from the 10.04 disaster (i.e. !$#$^#^ upstart and plymouth), hopefully this won't be as bad
[18:41] <TJ-> I'm looking at where the systemd DHCP option is
[18:42] <BLZbubba> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.network.html
[18:42] <BLZbubba> "SendHostname"
[18:42] <TJ-> BLZbubba: here we go [DHCP] SendHostname=true (default)
[18:43] <BLZbubba> now i need to figure out how to start systemd-networkd with the debug option
[18:43] <BLZbubba> they said to add a drop-in with: Environment=SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug
[18:55] <TJ-> Yes
[19:06] <BLZbubba> ok have to get some real work done but i'll dig into sendhostname later
[19:07] <BLZbubba> and ubuntu please consider adding ClientIdentifier=MAC by default to the netplan IPV4 config so it matches dhclient's behavior - otherwise in a few weeks you'll be getting some angry bug reports
[19:07] <BLZbubba> ideally it should be configurable from netplan to use either duid or mac
[19:08] <BLZbubba> i like the duid concept except it breaks decades of mac address usage history
[19:08] <TJ-> BLZbubba: you should look at the list of bugs for netplan on LP and add to it, there's a VERY long list of feature requests
[19:08] <BLZbubba> i posted the mac/duid one a few weeks ago
[19:08] <BLZbubba> or more accurately, i added my complaint to an already existing report
[19:09] <TJ-> BLZbubba: netplan looks like yet another DevOps rather than engineering-led release... throw code over the wall now and add later, whilst imposing it on users by default
[19:10] <TJ-> the concept is fine, but to do what it aspires to needs /a lot/ of engineering work... for LTS upgrades it needs at least an ifupdown parser if not a renderer, but it has no parser to pcik up existing configs and convert them to YAML either
[19:13] <BLZbubba> it does have an option to read /etc/network/interfaces
[19:13] <BLZbubba> though i wonder how accurately it can handle things like lacp and vlans
[19:13] <BLZbubba> i would prefer if it would write /etc/network/interfaces though
[19:14] <BLZbubba> at least that would help with continuity
[19:14] <TJ-> that's what I said; it's missing an ifupdown renderer and as ifupdown is deprecated it won't get one... a parser would at least let users rely (!!) on netplan t convert an ifupdown config to something else
[19:15] <BLZbubba> yeah an ifup/ifdown emulator for systemd-networkd would be great
[19:47] <guardian> hello, how can I get more information about difference in packages when choosing or not choosing "minimal installation" in the 18.04 installer?
[20:17] <hggdh> guardian: what do you mean on "difference in packages"?
[20:20] <guardian> well I would like to know which packages are not installed when clicking "Minimal Installation"
[20:20] <notsgnik> nice feature the minimal install :D i was waiting for it since a long time
[20:20] <notsgnik> the las daily build don't install on my computer it crash after i enter the user credential and clic next :/
[20:21] <notsgnik> i used one from 2 days ago to perfor the installation
[20:22] <hggdh> guardian: the basis for which packages go where is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[20:23] <guardian> thanks will read
[20:25] <hggdh> guardian: also, there, you have links to what packages are in which, ah, flavours
[20:33] <guardian> so I booted the bionic desktop image installer. I'm surprised the partitionner doesn't ask me whether I want GPT partitioning vs old primary/logical dichotomy
[20:33] <nacc> can anyone else confirm they see new behavior like this for unknown commands: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jb76TmdG3V/
[20:34] <notsgnik> same
[20:34] <notsgnik> nacc, 
[20:34] <TJ-> nacc: not in {16,18}.04
[20:34] <nacc> TJ-: i'm on 18.04
[20:35] <nacc> i'm wondering if it's only for packages that happen to also be snaps
[20:35] <nacc> trying to find the source of that output
[20:35] <TJ-> prossibly
[20:35] <TJ-> root@u1804:~# jq
[20:35] <TJ-> The program 'jq' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[20:35] <nacc> TJ-: fully up to date?
[20:35] <nacc> TJ-: and do you have any snaps installed?
[20:35] <notsgnik> nots@pc-principle:~$ jq
[20:35] <notsgnik> The program 'jq' can be found:
[20:35] <notsgnik>  + snap 'jq' 
[20:35] <notsgnik>  * deb 'jq'
[20:36] <notsgnik> installed the daily update from feb 25 since the last one don't install
[20:36] <notsgnik> frechly installed and up to date
[20:38] <TJ-> installing 277 upgrades :D
[20:39] <nacc> TJ-: lol
[20:39] <nacc> is c-n-f one of them?
[20:43] <TJ-> nacc: I could make up a rude name for that acronym so you best expand it :D
[20:43] <nacc> command-not-found
[20:43] <nacc> i foudn the source it's from python3-commandnotfound
[20:43] <nacc> i'm pinging the dev
[20:43] <nacc> as this is a regression in UX imo
[20:43] <TJ-> nacc: Setting up command-not-found (0.3ubuntu18.04.0~pre4) ...
[20:44] <TJ-> root@u1804:~# jq
[20:44] <TJ-> The program 'jq' can be found:
[20:44] <TJ->  + snap 'jq' 
[20:44] <TJ->  * deb 'jq'
[20:49] <notsgnik> i got this trying to install steam https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f4JFxKgDpy/
[20:50] <notsgnik> i didn't had that on my previous install
[20:50] <nacc> notsgnik: steam from ubuntu or from steam?
[20:51] <notsgnik> from ubuntu
[20:51] <nacc> notsgnik: try specifying it manually
[20:52] <nacc> notsgnik: e.g., `sudo apt install steam libtxc-dxtn0:i386 libxss1:i386`
[20:52] <nacc> maybe smoething is currently uninstallable
[20:52] <nacc> it can happy
[20:52] <nacc> *happen
[20:52] <nacc> also steam is in multiverse, and may need an update/rebuild/etc
[20:53] <notsgnik> multiverse was added @ installation time
[20:53] <nacc> notsgnik: i understand
[20:53] <nacc> notsgnik: not what i said, at all
[20:54] <nacc> notsgnik: steam hasn't been updated in bionic yet
[20:54] <notsgnik> ok so is not in sync with the new envirenement
[20:55] <nacc> notsgnik: it might not be, i don't know
[20:55] <nacc> notsgnik: as i said, you can try and resovle it for apt manually
[20:55] <notsgnik> how?
[20:55] <nacc> notsgnik: i just told you.
[20:56] <nacc> notsgnik: e.g., `sudo apt install steam libtxc-dxtn0:i386 libxss1:i386`
[20:56] <notsgnik> yes, i was going to try that sorry i got adhd with the multiverse thing
[20:57] <notsgnik> Package 'libtxc-dxtn0:i386' has no installation candidate
[20:57] <notsgnik> :/
[21:01] <notsgnik> ubuntu pakage search give no result for this packet
[21:02] <nacc> notsgnik: yeah that package doesn't exist in ubuntu
[21:03] <TJ-> !info libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0
[21:03] <ubottu> Package libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 does not exist in bionic
[21:03] <TJ-> !info libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 artful
[21:03] <ubottu> Package libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 does not exist in artful
[21:03] <TJ-> !info libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 xenial
[21:03] <ubottu> libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 (source: s2tc): Texture compression library for Mesa. In component main, is extra. Version 0~git20131104-1.1 (xenial), package size 47 kB, installed size 251 kB
[21:04] <nacc> oddly, i have steam installed on this bionic laptop
[21:04] <nacc> let me remove and reinstall it
[21:05] <notsgnik> they say it's a virrtual pakage privided by ...
[21:06] <notsgnik> libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0
[21:06] <notsgnik> witch is not available in bionic:i386
[21:06] <notsgnik> but i just start looking
[21:07] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/s2tc/+publishinghistory
[21:07] <nacc> i think s2tc has been removed itself
[21:08] <nacc> which probably means steam needs an update
[21:16] <notsgnik> also i still to go to gnome tweak tool fonts to set the hitting: medium and the antialiasyng : standart
[21:16] <notsgnik> in order to have normal looking font on visual code studio
[21:16] <nacc> notsgnik: yeah this looks inadvertent (the steam issue) i'll work with the devs to resolve
[21:16] <notsgnik> i think it's the same with atom editor
[21:18] <notsgnik> thanks nacc and as soon as i get steam working i'll try to see if video games still laggs 
[21:18] <notsgnik> since last updates i had a really bad framerate and it looked like it wasn't from the drivers  
[21:19] <notsgnik> the game was running really smoudly last week
[21:20] <notsgnik> really impress that the alt-tab worked like a charm with defferent resolution and even with multiple screen
[21:20] <notsgnik> back in the old days those things where just dreams :D
[21:28] <notsgnik> by the way for gnome, i found caffeine extension but not the user-theme one in the packet manager. i'll be glad to volontere if i can help in any of those issuses
[21:28] <notsgnik> btw
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