[02:28] <ariel_> hola
[02:28] <ariel_> alguien alli?
[02:28] <kernal> alli
[02:28] <ariel_> hi
[02:28] <kernal> what language is that?
[02:28] <ariel_> spanish
[02:28] <ariel_> español
[02:28] <ariel_> and you?
[02:29] <ariel_> I from to mexico
[02:29] <ariel_> I am from to mexico
[02:29] <kernal> I think there's a channel especially for spanish
[02:29] <ariel_> where...?
[03:44] <Quenz> I'm trying to set up an outlook email account with Thunderbird. It works fine on my Mac with the exact same settings, but on MATE, I get "Configuration could not be verified - is the username or password wrong?"
[04:33] <Quenz> I have a clue here is the terminal output when using the host command on the mail servers on my Mac https://pastebin.com/Es1mhnc4 and on the MATE computer https://pastebin.com/p3D23qez
[04:34] <Quenz> I get "Host <mail server> not found: 5(REFUSED)" on the MATE computer, but not on my Mac
[06:10] <Quenz> I think I found the solution to my problem. My ISPs default DNS wasn't resolving the mailservers. I'm not exactly sure though, because it was working fine on a different computer
[06:11] <Quenz> Oh, and the reason it did work on my Mac is that I was using a VPN on it, so I guess the VPN uses a different DNS
[06:13] <kernal> nice
[08:08] <rhode> Hi all. Im on 17.10 and are liking this alot. Will there be a clear/clean upgrade path for 17.10->18.04 LTS (after the release) or am I looking into a complete nuke'n'pave reinstall ?
[08:32] <alkisg> Sure, 17.10 to 18.04 is supported by all ubuntu flavors
[08:37] <rhode> alkisg: and the switch back to Xorg will just be done as part of that dist-upgrade ?
[08:37] <alkisg> rhode: what switch back to xorg? mate doesn't use wayland
[08:38] <rhode> Ohhh - i thought that all the ubuntu's had wayland as standard in 17.10
[08:38] <alkisg> Nah, that's just gnome
[08:39] <rhode> okay - then I can be relatively sure that i do not have to nuke'n'pave
[08:39] <rhode> Then im gonna continue setting up everything that i need
[08:39]  * alkisg uses 18.04 directly nowadays, to avoid installing 17.10 and upgrading :)
[09:06] <rhode> alkisg:  you are more brave then me. Its only still in Alpha stages if i remember correctly
[09:09] <alkisg> Yeah I'm trying to help in solving potential issues as well
[09:28] <peanut42> having trouble with the firefox sidebar where white font is on a white background... this happens in the dark MATE theme... you can only change the colors in the firefox windows, basically everywhere except the sidebar, nobody else have this issue?
[09:29] <diogenes_> peanut42, gotta screenshot?
[09:29] <peanut42> one sec
[09:34] <peanut42> https://unsee.cc/6d3e0feb/
[09:37] <peanut42> I don't know any good picture share site... sorry
[09:38] <peanut42> but this has been bugging me since MATE TWEAK was implemented
[09:38] <peanut42> I can't take it anymore
[09:38] <peanut42> I'm dead
[09:39] <diogenes_> peanut42, we can try one thing
[09:39] <diogenes_> no clue whether if will help or not because I haven't used ff in aloooong time
[09:39] <diogenes_> run: cd $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/*.default
[09:41] <peanut42> mkay, I'm in the profile
[09:41] <diogenes_> mkdir chrome
[09:41] <peanut42> k
[09:41] <diogenes_> cd chrome
[09:41] <diogenes_> touch userContent.css
[09:42] <diogenes_> pluma (or whatevertexteditor name) userContent.css
[09:42] <peanut42> and copy pasta a bunch of stuff?
[09:42] <peanut42> into it?!?
[09:43] <diogenes_> copy this:
[09:43] <diogenes_> http://susepaste.org/86232166
[09:43] <diogenes_> it used to work for the previous versions, no sure if it will work now.
[09:45] <peanut42> it doesn't work
[09:46] <peanut42> :(
[09:46] <peanut42> but it was definitely worth a try, thank you!
[09:46] <diogenes_> peanut42, also you could try a different theme for firefox
[09:46] <diogenes_> something like lavafox
[09:46] <peanut42> I have tried that in the past
[09:47] <diogenes_> try it again
[09:47] <peanut42> I have to revisit this
[09:47] <diogenes_> yep, definitely worth a try
[09:57] <peanut42> arg, same problem, everything gets changed except the sidebar content
[09:57] <peanut42> I tried a bunch of different themes :(
[10:00] <peanut42> so to put real names to the issues: I only have this problem when the "BlackMATE" theme is being used
[10:00] <peanut42> MATE themes are okay
[10:00] <peanut42> *other
[10:03] <diogenes_> no clue what is mate theme implementation but you might want to to experiments with it, navigate to /usr/share/themes/BlackMATE folder, find the file responsible but style, colors, content, open it with text editor and try to find the hexcolor that matches the background of that sidebar (if you want to change background) or text color (if you want to change text color)
[10:04] <diogenes_> this way, I used to modify a lot of themes to my liking in the past
[10:04] <diogenes_> it's a very time consuming work btw
[10:04] <peanut42> I can only imagine... it's like trial and error?!?
[10:05] <peanut42> but I will give it a shot either way
[10:05] <diogenes_> peanut42, exactly, thing are a bit easier if they style it with .css
[10:07] <diogenes_> peanut42, also one quick try is to see if you got ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file
[10:07] <diogenes_> if it's there, try to rename it and re-log
[10:07] <peanut42> diogenes_: good tip! Thanks!
[15:17] <Quenz> Thunderbird works fine on my Mac, but not on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS. Same Thunderbird version. Outputs from host command on mail servers: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6qZgTMC9Bq/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/drZTthtfwn/
[15:21] <Menzie> Quenz - Are we using Exchange or regular Outlook?
[15:21] <Quenz> Regular outlook. The email address ends in live.com.au if that helps
[15:21] <Quenz> Menzie
[15:23] <Menzie> Interesting.
[15:24] <Menzie> Try changing the IMAP servers to the US ones, imap-mail.outlook.com and smtp-mail.outlook.com
[15:24] <Menzie> *IMAP and SMTP
[15:25] <Menzie> Quenz ^
[15:25] <Quenz> Menzie They are automatically set to those addresses. I think they just resolve to AU ones in the background because I'm in Australia
[15:26] <Menzie> What's the exact error message in Thunderbird?
[15:26] <Quenz> "Configuration could not be verified - is the username or password wrong?"
[15:27] <Quenz> I've triple checked the username and password though
[15:27] <Menzie> SSL over 993, STARTTLS over 587?
[15:28] <Quenz> It's worth noting the issue goes away if I change the DNS settings in my router to Google's public DNS or OpenDNS, but that causes the internet to be quite slow on the MATE computer for some reason.
[15:28] <Quenz> Menzie yes
[15:28] <Menzie> So basically the DNS server that you want to use hates Outlook for some reason
[15:28] <Quenz> I'm guessing because those DNS servers are in the US and I'm in Australia
[15:29] <Quenz> But it works fine in Thunderbird on my Mac
[15:29] <Quenz> So...
[15:29] <Quenz> Like, my Mac is using the same DNS as the MATE computer
[15:29] <Menzie> Perhaps
[15:29] <Quenz> You think my Mac could be using a different DNS?
[15:30] <Menzie> Perhaps... are you using a firewall program such as ufw?
[15:30] <Menzie> Or, maybe the #thunderbird people can help
[15:31] <alkisg> Or maybe systemd-resolved
[15:31] <Quenz> Is ufw enabled by default?
[15:31] <Menzie> Oh yeah, check the resolution daemon
[15:31] <Quenz> What's systemd-resolved?
[15:33] <alkisg> The dns server of recent ubuntu versions
[15:33] <alkisg> Oh wait, did you say 16.04?
[15:33] <alkisg> There, it's still dnsmasq
[15:33] <alkisg> You might want to bypass that, and see if it works without it
[15:34] <Quenz> I just disables the default Firewall program that comes with MATE, that didn't fix it though
[15:34] <Quenz> Hmm
[15:34] <alkisg> You might also want to try ipv4 vs ipv6 resolution
[15:34] <alkisg> All those are unrelated to the desktop environment though, it's core ubuntu functionality
[15:35] <alkisg> So you can ask #ubuntu as well; more people there, so more help..
[15:35] <Quenz> Alright, one step at a time
[15:35] <Quenz> Should I explore dnsmasq first?
[15:35] <alkisg> Whatever is easier for you
[15:35] <Quenz> I don't mind
[15:35] <Quenz> How do I bypass dnsmasq?
[15:35] <alkisg> I just threw some ideas, I don't have time to help with the steps involved :)
[15:35] <alkisg> That's why I'm saying whatever's easier for you :)
[15:36] <Quenz> Alright
[15:37] <alkisg> dnsmasq can be disabled from /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf => dnsmasq line, and reboot...
[15:37] <alkisg> Or you could test with a 17.10 live cd, which uses systemd-resolved instead; if that works.... you know
[15:38] <Quenz> Should I just remove the dns line, or set it to something besides dnsmasq?
[15:38] <alkisg> I think removing is fine
[15:39] <alkisg> A quick googling about that will reveal detailed instructions
[15:39] <alkisg> Of course, make a note, to be able to undo the change later on
[20:26] <brzydal> witam wszystkich