[00:00] <ubptgbot> Ninja85a was added by: Ninja85a
 hey guys
 has anyone tried ubuntu touch on the moto G3 osprey?
 @Ninja85a, is it supported
 I've looked and no it isnt
 Unfortunately, that means that it will not work
 :(
 dammit
 what makes a device more likely to be supported?
 or is it just luck
 Which is official device for ut
 https://ubports.com/devices/ready-to-use-devices
 @Strangerer, Supported devices are still in the group description
 did not know that! : … Supported Devices: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 @Ninja85a, A device must specifically be ported
 The project for porting Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, and other OSs is halium.org
 I know that but is there anyway of getting any more devices added?
 And our porting information is https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Whats the next update for UT
 what ubuntu version is UT based on?
 I'm guessing the latest LTS
 Ubuntu touch (ut)
 @Ninja85a, 15.04 now, we're working on moving to 16.04
 ah kk
 Y so delay
 Because we inherited the OS at 15.04 and 16.04 is the last supported Ubuntu version with Upstart
 Which we need to not deprecate all of the old devices right now
 When will this ota arrive, any approximate date?
 There isn't one, we don't have enough of a stable and informed contributor base who is able to commit to a date.
[00:26] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> I have another dumb question
[00:27] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> UTouch will recognize 2 SIM cards right?
 Yes
[00:28] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> @nanu_c Thank you ^^
 I use this on a dayly basis :)
[00:32] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> nice nice ^^
 @Strangerer, If you build it, they will come...
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6EmIqHl6.mp4
 Hi bruce
[01:31] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> Im trying to install UBPorts and this error appears
[01:31] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> cant copy it
[01:31] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> lmao
[01:32] <ubptgbot> <Squish :3> has to do with pushing the files
 @Squish :3, Can you take a picture/screenshot of it?
 I'm unable to find utouch ROM for Mi MAX
 @dkvish, UT isn't a ROM. It's a full mobile OS that replaces Android.
 Yes. But how to install that??
 @dkvish, only mi4 now，maybe
 Is there any list of supported devices??
 @dkvish, In the group description..
 @dkvish, Ubuntu Touch is only available for the Fairphone 2, the OnePlus One, the Nexus 5, the Meizu Pro5, the Moto G2, and the BQ Aquaris M10 off the top of my head
 @dkvish, You can always try to port it to your device though
[03:56] <ubptgbot> payrrobot was added by: payrrobot
 @Cesar_Herrera, awesome
[07:19] <ubptgbot> Lao was added by: Lao
 @payrrobot, Hi Adam and Lao welcome , Pls start here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[07:54] <opendata> Hey, I'm looking into porting my device to ubports
 join #halium on IRC
[07:55] <opendata> Ok, thanks
[07:56] <opendata> Would that be compatible with a mainline kernel?
 no
 android devices aren't mainlined
[07:56] <opendata> They are
 some parts sometimes are, yes
[07:57] <opendata> Ive helped mainlined my device
[07:57] <opendata> Mainline
 have you mainlined all of the binary drivers?
 if so, then i will give you huge respect for that
[07:57] <opendata> And has most stuff working (Inc freedreno)
[07:58] <opendata> Camera obviously doesn't work
 halium runs lineage in a LXC container
 and communicates with it via libhybris
 join it anyways, would be nice to hear other member's opinions
 i am so far really pessimistic and this looks more like a pmOS case
[07:59] <opendata> I already have pmos
[07:59] <opendata> Just wanted to try ubports as it is more complete
 @dohbee has anyone done something like that in the past?
 What device is it?
[08:01] <opendata> Xperia Z2 tablet
[08:01] <opendata> Msm8974
 Oh, nice to see Sony devices getting some love.
[08:03] <opendata> Should be pretty simple to do for z2 non tablet aswell
[08:03] <ubptgbot> fujinnec was added by: fujinnec
 @fujinnec, Hello Ciro, welcome here some starting point for You https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[08:12] <opendata> Do you have freedreno enabled in your nesa?
[08:12] <opendata> Mesa
 anyway to enable the side-stage on a phone? I though changing the grid_unit will do it but apparently not, only desktop mode switch is enabled when the grid unit is smaller
 @Javacookies, IIRC You need to add an entry in /etc/ubuntu/devices.conf for your device and set `Category` to desktop or tablet to enable side stage … ```[hammerhead] … Category=tablet```
 If you set it to desktop the shell will start in windowed mode
[08:34] <opendata> Or would it be better if I used the old android kernel?
 @DanChapman, ooohhh okay...I think the side-stage would still be useful in some big phones...doesn't really have to be a tablet
 thanks anyway :)
 Have any OEMs shown any interest in UBports yet? Have any of them made any overtures at all?
[09:00] <opendata> How can I build a rootfs
[09:00] <opendata> As I need to add in WiFi config files and freedreno firmware
 @vanyasem, No
 @opendata, You need to build halium for your device
 Hi anybody having problems with nexus 5. Not being able to take video i am on devl
[12:31] <opendata> Dohbee how?
[12:31] <opendata> Since I'm using mainline kernel android drivers don't work
[12:31] <opendata> Stock android drivers anyway
[12:37] <opendata> And why as halium is just a compatibility layer for android drivers
[12:37] <opendata> Which we don't use
 @prpleXist, Yes.. And no. Dis you try front and back cams? Try front cam. Oddly this action made both work for me!
 On my BQ E 4.5 with UBports OTA-3, my main problem is that, once I accept a phone call, the LCD goes blank until the caller hangs up, I cannot get to the screen via touchpad or buttons inbetween. This is the case since Ubuntu Touch OTA-13.  It works fine with Android. Is anyone else experiencing this?
 @opendata, The ubuntu phone builds are pretty heavily dependent on going through the Android HAL to talk to hardware. There's currently no way to build the stack in a way that works reasonably well both with hybris and without, afaik
[14:07] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> I am just looking at the ubports site  and am missing the legacy devices overview. Will it return?
 @Ernst Vaarties, http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/
 but yeah, the navigation there is really circular and confusing
[14:12] <ubptgbot> CNpigCA was added by: CNpigCA
[14:26] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Ah, maybe the ubports page should link or redirect to that domain.
 Hi! I installed the ubports 16.04on my bq M10 ubuntu tablet. After the todays update the wifi stoped working. Does not show any wifi signal
 Before,the wifi was working very well till now...
 have you tried rebooting? sometimes that happens on my nexus 5 even in 15.04
 Tried rebooting several times, switched of and on the flight mode, but noting changed
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/rpCDbY0J.png
[15:08] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> So I got my halium-boot to give me ssh again, logged in, lxc didn't start, so I try starting it, it kicks me out and won't let me back in and never does anything on the devices screen
 @Ernst Vaarties, i'm pretty sure it does. if you go to the "get ut" page, and scroll to the bottom, there's a "more devices" with a "for developers" link when you hover over the square. that link goes to the URL i pasted
 but getting there was a bit confusing
[15:17] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Ah. I see it now. Indeed confusing. I expected to see all devices when clicking on 'other devices' on http://www.ubports.com/devices/ready-to-use-devices .
 yeah, and the "devices" link where it says "see if your device is compatible" at the top, just goes back to the "core" devices page
 so you end up in circles
[15:22] <ubptgbot> <Ernst Vaarties> Yup. They really don'don't want you getting other devices 🤔
 @Alexander, This happened to me before on my n4 i recall then some update fixed it.... Sounds really familiar.
 @wayneoutthere, That's usually how bugs get fixed. ;)
 Does anyone know, how to run commands inside clickable?
 there's a field in the manifest
 hang on
 http://clickable.bhdouglass.com/en/latest/clickable-json.html
 scripts
 that can basically do anything
 Thank you, I'll try...
 @wayneoutthere, That's the only bug that prevents me to use the phone on a daily basis.
 @neothethird, Hm, doesn't work. I'm currently trying to fix that f***ing libsmbclient problem with python2.7-minimal in xenial docker chroot also known from vivid.
 Anyone know, where the clickable containers are located?
 After the last ubports 1604 update my bq m10 tablet wifi stop working. I fixed it reseting the system to default. Lost all data but fixed it
[17:09] <ubptgbot> adikri was added by: adikri
 @Alexander, does anyone else have this bug on your same device? Check to see if a bug is filed.  Otherwise, I tend to think your version might be out of date.  that also happened to me once. I was wondering why so many  bugs but I was running wrong/old version.
 I reinstalled yesterday, it's on OTA-3. I filed a bug some time ago.
 @nfsprodriver, What problem?
 @adikri, Hi Aditya, you can start here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MH56hLNS.null
 Booting FairPhone
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d9cHVMhhVG/
 Something tells me that you missed a remaining possible problem. :P
 But that is quite an interesting error...
 [Edit] Booting Fairphone
 @UniversalSuperBox, is the qtquick controls 2 lib not installed on your device?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks for testing, I think it's only one package missing in the click. Because the suru style is not yet built by the ci, it tries to use Material which is not included
 It's a broken symlink ... interesting
 I probably need to move another library around to be in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
 SImply some package missing
 Next build is on the way
 @JBBgameich, Or set QT_QUICK_CONTROLS_STYLE to Suru maybe?
 There is no suru QtQuickControls 2 Style installed yet
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/1RfQsoIH.null
 oh ok
 The problem was one missing package: libqt5quickcontrols2-5
 I only included the QML module
 My brother just asked me, do we have a Waze client?
 @TartanSpartan, is it usable via web?
 @Mark, Well yes and no. We are of course in talks with BQ, its the natural choice since they have already produced for Canonical. We have an informal exchange of information currently and a few assertions. Cannot say more at the moment, until the UBports foundation is legally set up we canß make any agreements
 i guess not, so no you can't use waze on ubuntu without anbox
 But be sure that we have our relation management setting up this and that ;)
 also waze is super creepy
 @Mark, [Edit] Well yes and no. We are of course in talks with BQ, its the natural choice since they have already produced for Canonical. We have an informal exchange of information currently and a few assertions. Cannot say more at the moment, until the UBports foundation is legally set up we cant make any agreements
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/zr9hMoxD.png
 @Flohack, nice
 :) thanks for that
 @JBBgameich, congratulations! It's really tiny. :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Nice, something starts at least :)
 an open and anonymized waze-like thing built around OSM could be pretty sweet though
 Super creepy?
 That Suru style is looking fine
 why are those buttons and text so small?!
 @UniversalSuperBox, Probably a scaling problem .... Btw, it's currently Material design because suru is not installed
 (Suru for QQC2)
 acts like it was sarcasm
 Ressources and images are currently also missing. What does it say in the log?
 (Assuming the keyboard works already) Do you have a jabber account to test it with?
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BFsqQc5vg3/
 Keyboard works though :)
 I think I have a diaspora* account... how the heck to I use that
 If your diaspora server supports the chat feature, just enter your diaspora* credentials
 Oh, well look at that!
 Hi @PhoenixLandPirate
 Hi. Installed ut stable channel on opo. Really great. Where is the caldav thing hidden? Can't find it in the accounts nor in the calendar menu. Only Google and Ubuntu options are available. Any hint? Tx
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/e20FsQP7.png
 @dohbee why does it freak you out?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Hi
 @UniversalSuperBox, Does the drawer conflict with any Ubuntu Touch touch gestures btw?
 @UniversalSuperBox For the resources: Is there any env var that points to `/opt/click.ubuntu.com/kaidan.kaidanim/0.3.2/`?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Whats this?
 [Edit] @UniversalSuperBox For the resources: Is there any env var that points to `/opt/click.ubuntu.com/kaidan.kaidanim/0.3.2/` ?
 [Edit] @UniversalSuperBox For the resources: Is there any env var that points to `/opt/click.ubuntu.com/kaidan.kaidanim/0.3.2/ ` ?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Kaidan, the app we're currently testing
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Gp9zXY59.png
 It gets real wonky real fast...
 I thought so but wasn't sure
 @UniversalSuperBox, Lol, it's in desktop mode because of broken scaling 😆
 @Ellenjott Maybe Kirigami.GridUnit is not correctly set?
 [Edit] @Ellenjott Maybe Kirigami.GridUnit is not correctly set on Ubuntu Touch?
 @JBBgameich, I'm not sure, we should better ask the kirigami developers, I think
 As for gestures, no you're not interfering. It'd be best if that "Add new contact" menu was in a bottom swipe-up menu, but that's just nitpicking and using the design guidelines of a completely different OS.
 @Ellenjott, I think it's also the first Kirigami App on Ubuntu Touch
 Maybe that's something that'd get done in the style? Iunno how QML works honestly
 @TartanSpartan, constantly streaming your location to a server and having it "learn the routes you like to take between home and work" and that kind of creepy usage of personal data
 List of things to fix for now: … * scaling … * icons … * ressources
 If you're looking to set grid units, you should have access to the `GRID_UNIT_PX` environment variable at any time
 (Photo, 1248x562) https://irc.ubports.com/V6BpOkk6.png Just for comparison: That's how it's supposed to look like
 Guys , What about the S7?
 @JBBgameich, Yeah, that's a little different. We're close though!
 I'll notify you when there's something new to test. Thanks for your help so far!
 Guys , Any news for S7?
 I see.
 My brother just stated:
 "I will absolutely 100% never get your phone or operating system. I like my phone to function."
 Pissed off with him now. Give me rebuttal material, family?
 What?
 It's especially hurtful given he has an OPO with a jailbroken Android version and I think is tiring of it as it was bought in several years ago so a dated OS.
 If its cos apps then anbox with 16.04
 I pointed that out.
 @TartanSpartan, "Whatever"
 "You cannot convince a rock that it is a frog"
 I think when Anbox comes out I'll shove it in his face, like you do with a pet and it's waste when it's not adhering to it's house training. Hell I would temporarily put on whatever .apk file I like to show it will be very much on parity with Android.
 @dohbee, Put some thoughts on mitigating this (the imperfect cludges that I use) in OT.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Please keep this screenshot for people who dont understand that snap will not solve everything 😆
 Like "Can I install desktop app X on the phone"
 Will Anbox support location information provided by the host OS?  If not, entire classes of vital Android apps (rideshare, traffic prediction, weather, etc.) become difficult to use or even useless.
 @trainailleur, I guess it won't and you'll need to install something in the android side
 @Flohack, ugh don't get me started
 That's my assumption, and I can live with that, but I can understand why a die-hard Android devotee could not.
 sure
 anbox is not android, and if people expect it to be exactly the same, they're going to be pretty unhappy i guess
 Tell them that's the tradeoff for the priviledge, no, the right to give Google the finger and leave their spyware OS in the dust.
 it also doesn't provide native system integration
 Or *a* tradeoff, I guess.
 somehow i don't think installing anbox is the same as giving google the finger
 Well, given that Marius went the extra mile to implement a second Binder in-kernel to get a little more out of Anbox, I'd not completely rule out native location information
 @UniversalSuperBox, well, but it will be able to access the GPS device, but it won't talk to ubuntu-location-service, i would expect
 Hijacking (in a manner of speaking) a good part of their OS (software development efforts) and abandoning the negative sides (spying, monetization)? That bird is well and truly flipped in my book :)
 @TartanSpartan, That's under the assumption that none of the remaining proprietary bits are doing evil.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/p57GiBh4.null
 The team have that vouched for, I trust.
 @TartanSpartan, https://ollieparanoid.github.io/post/security-warning/
 That's my vouch. :P
 @UniversalSuperBox are QT_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS or QT_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR set to anything in Ubuntu Touch?
 Fwd from notmart: kirigami uses the internal Qt scaling mechanism... to be able to use it, depends if current (ubports i guess?) upgraded to a qt version new enough
 @JBBgameich, Doesn't seem so, at least not from a shell. Maybe ubuntu-app-launch commits magic, but I don't expect so.
 i don't think we set those
 when were they added?
 well, ubuntu phone stuff was all based on the grid units stuff we created in ubuntu ui toolkit
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/B2SeTGgi.png
 At least ressources work now, thanks for testing :)
 ... but not the kirigami/breeze icons
 @dohbee, Qt 5.6, in replacement of QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO (Qt 5.4)
 yeah, i'm pretty sure we don't set those
 Would that be a function of QtMir or...?
 ubuntu-app-launch I guess
 Until then, you could probably set them in your launch script as a function of GRID_UNIT_PX, @JBBgameich
 @UniversalSuperBox would you, like me, hold Ubuntu Touch in the same sustainable anti-Android category as the OS discussed in that article?
 @TartanSpartan, Sure. Hack on it until we actually understand it.
 Not so much anti as in against something, but more the *antithesis* to something.
 Rock on, that's absolutely badass. Salute to the Ubports gods!
 Not gods, just people with spare free time!
 They're humble too *truly godly*.
 (Sticker, 512x341) https://irc.ubports.com/aQWjvO5o.webp
 lulz,I'm such a groupie fangirl for you guys :*
 I hope most other users here are too.
 @UniversalSuperBox What is the value of GRID_UNIT_PX on your device?
 I can do you one better
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/running-ut.html#display-scaling
 @TartanSpartan, what article?
 @UniversalSuperBox, This one
 ah, overlooked it, because telegram didn't do the thumbnailer bit for it
 ah, but we don't have updated firmware blobs. broadpwn and other similar attacks still work on many of these phones. and we don't truly know what all the binary bits we still need, are doing; was my point
 Right, that's the 10-year security nightmare
 yup
 in other news my "new" phone just arrived ;)
 Ooh, whaddya get?
 htc 10
 Unlocked? In America?
 HOW!?
 lots of pixels
 yep
 refurb on amazon
 I can only find it for sale through carriers
 plugged in my sim to verify it did 4g lte
 and now it's on the charger so i can install lineage later
 Fast track a port via Halium for it :)
 Marius and Ivan have both worked on it. Now it's just sorting 16.04's halium integration.
 """just"""
 @TartanSpartan, i don't think i'll be able to run ubuntu on it, as i want encryption and locked bootloader
 and by want, i mean need
 how would you manage lineage on that?
 @rogieroudshoorn, what do you mean? it's an officially supported device for lineage
 you'll need to unlock your bootloader to install lineage
 unless you can convince your bootloader lineageos is signed by htc
 lineage is signed
 i was using locked bootloader with lineage on my n5 before the bluetooth/wifi got fried
 You don't necessarily need to have it OEM-signed
 never knew that
 Fastboot is supposed to boot in YELLOW mode if the boot.img has an embedded key and matches that key
 @dohbee, I didn't know that would actually work, I thought locking the bootloader with non OEM signed software had a high chance of leaving you with a brick pretty much
 TIL that almost no Fastboot command works on the Fairphone 2
 i thought yellow mode still meant unlocked
 then again, you learn every day ;)
 https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot
 (Photo, 652x473) https://irc.ubports.com/Pt1loB0m.png Specifically, this
 We would need to sign the boot images in order to allow people to enter YELLOW boot mode.
 so, after installing lineage (which requires an unlock), you can re-lock it?
 i did on my n5
 i remember a similar discussion on op5 forums - now i understand what they meant
 you can't lock the bootloader with ubuntu though
 Rodney, I have read of per-device bricking problems relocking bootloader.  Has anyone on XDA or elsewhere verified it as safe on the 10?
 @trainailleur, yeah, i actually bricked a brand new pixel the day i got it, with the unsigned unofficial lineage port
 it depends on how the bootloader locking works
 the pixel requires changing a setting inside the OS to enable it
 which means you can't unlock the bootloader after you lock it, unless you can boot into the OS to change it
 don't know if htc 10 is the same
 but the image is official and signed
 @sverzegnassi, Should I open an issue there?
 that seems odd for u-a-l to set those variables
 i don't think it should be doing the calculation for scaling
 I actually wonder if QT_SCALE_FACTOR is really necessary or QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR (and let Qt calculate it) would be just enough
 [Edit] I actually wonder if QT_SCALE_FACTOR is really necessary or QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=true (and let Qt calculate it) would be just enough
 @sverzegnassi, I think the latter would result in different scaling then for non-sdk apps and sdk apps, if one were to configure a different grid units size for their device
 no?
 True. So, is it ubuntu-touch-session the right place for the calculation?
 not sure
 maybe qtubuntu is
 @JBBgameich, Ok, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues might be the most appropriate place for now
[21:39] <ubptgbot> Bruno was added by: Bruno
 @Bruno, Hello Bruno, to get you started go to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hi all, a question to the people working on ubuntu touch 16.04 devel:? … A lot of effort-was made, it delighted me :) .? … Do you have an idea on the causes of the bug OpenStore ?? … Congratulations for all the work done.?
 Is there a way to record the screen of UT? Like you can with Android (I don't know about iOS)?
 @AmolithSeregion, the `phablet-tools` package in ubuntu 16.04 has a screencast tool
 @dohbee, I'll check it out. Thanks!
 You running 16.04 on your only phone, Amolith?  You're a brave soul.  😄
 i think someone said some time ago about developing an app to do that
 it was in progress or something like it
 @trainailleur, No lol. It's 15.04 though I am thinking about going on a tight rope and switching to 16.04; I like to live on the bleeding edge (pun intended 😉) I was going to ask which channel was more stable, development or release candidate?
 there's 16.04 release candidates?
 i doubt it :)
[22:44] <ubptgbot> <Oscar Forero> Hey guys do U know what's they spanish Chanel for ubports?
 @Oscar Forero, https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
[22:46] <ubptgbot> <Oscar Forero> Thanks a lot bro!
[23:19] <ubptgbot> HankTheSwede was added by: HankTheSwede
 @HankTheSwede, Hello DrX, to get you started go to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Thanks, going...
 There’s supposed to be a swedish group also jaa?
 Scandinavian
 https://t.me/UBports_scandinavia
 @UniversalSuperBox, what...... is..............this.....?
 @wayneoutthere, It's Kaidan, an xmpp client
 Y'know, the thing that was getting talked about in the messages leading up to the image you replied to
 I have a very large hand that I would like you to direct your speech to.
 Ladies and gentlemen: observe a superbox talking to a hand
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/YeDnmxtH.mp4
 cat got your tongue Mr. Box?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/eAwW7Vl2.mp4
 I get it.  No problem. going fo ra coffee break