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| -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been marked as ready | 03:10 | |
| -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been marked as ready | 03:10 | |
| lynorian | yay | 03:39 |
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| lynorian | even if I only did one test still helpful | 03:39 |
| lubot1 | <Schyken> 💙 | 03:39 |
| lynorian | gah not showing up in hexchat on lubuntu next | 03:42 |
| lubot1 | <Sergio_Security> Any wireless connection manager which works fine and does not require a loop of sudo service network-manager restart? | 04:26 |
| lubot1 | <brli7848> @Sergio_Security, NM is utilized with polkit, I don't think you need to face systemd(systemctl) that often... | 04:32 |
| lubot1 | <alamo18> @brli7848, Why would you not want to face systemctl | 08:36 |
| lubot1 | <brli7848> @alamo18, Check above... If needed, I will. However, get online with wifi using nm applet doesn't require this | 08:38 |
| * lynorian likes nmtui | 08:40 | |
| fbaumanis | good morning! | 09:25 |
| fbaumanis | just a general question: would you prefer a dedicated testing PC for testing or a virtual machine? | 09:31 |
| lynorian | fbaumanis, both | 09:33 |
| lynorian | run virtual machines from the machine dedicated to testing | 09:34 |
| fbaumanis | lynorian: okay, makes sense :) | 09:34 |
| fbaumanis | thank you | 09:34 |
| lynorian | that way you make sure vms work on the release as well | 09:45 |
| fbaumanis | the latest bionic daily still doesnt have the "Guided - resize" option for Partitioning. Does anybody have some info about that? | 14:00 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @fbaumanis, Lubuntu or Lubuntu Next? | 14:03 |
| fbaumanis | @lubot, Lubuntu | 14:04 |
| fbaumanis | @lubot, to be correct, this testcase: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/166848/testcases/1438 | 14:05 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> I'm just a Telegram bridge, I'm tsimonq2 on IRC as well ;) | 14:06 |
| fbaumanis | @tsimonq2 ah i see ;) | 14:07 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> wxl: Can you please look into this? | 14:07 |
| fbaumanis | i discovered a bug during the installation of kubuntu bionic.. so where do i have to run ubuntu-bug ubiquity? on my local machine? | 15:37 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @fbaumanis, Yes | 15:41 |
| fbaumanis | tsimonq2, thanks! | 15:41 |
| fbaumanis | but it wants to send the information about my local machine.. the bug happened in the VM.. | 15:50 |
| acheronuk | trying: falkon | 16:20 |
| acheronuk | skipped: falkon (17, 0, 176) | 16:20 |
| acheronuk | got: 12+0: a-1:a-1:a-3:i-1:p-3:s-3 | 16:20 |
| acheronuk | * armhf: lubuntu-qt-desktop, qupzilla-plugin-gnome-keyring | 16:20 |
| acheronuk | so falkon breaks lubuntu-qt-desktop! | 16:20 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: fbaumanis: does the drive already have something on it? if not, you won't see resize. | 18:13 |
| lubot | fbnbmns was added by: fbnbmns | 19:00 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @fbnbmns, Welcome! | 19:01 |
| lubot | <fbnbmns> @tsimonq2, Thanks! I'm fbaumanis from IRC ;) | 19:02 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @fbnbmns, :D | 19:03 |
| lubot | <fbnbmns> @wxl, Then the testcase description should include a warning, that something should be on the drive already. I can do that. | 19:05 |
| wxl | yeah i mean it does stand to reason :) | 19:05 |
| wxl | how do you resize something that doesn't already have a size? :) | 19:06 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Speaking of installers... | 19:07 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> wxl, how was that swap bug coming along? | 19:07 |
| fbaumanis | wxl, if there is an ubuntu installation already on it, it has a size, or? :D | 19:07 |
| wxl | it needs to have some sort of partitions | 19:07 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: you mean the one we're waiting on cyphermox on? | 19:08 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, Yeah, the one we're waiting for cyphermox on | 19:08 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: who knows. ask him. | 19:08 |
| fbaumanis | @wxl, then i will add a reminder to make sure that the drive already should have partitions. | 19:09 |
| wxl | the key here being *RE*size | 19:10 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> cyphermox: How was that coming along? | 19:10 |
| wxl | :) | 19:10 |
| fbaumanis | wxl yeah, i must have something with a size to REsize. :D tried it now with the setup on top of an already existing bionic beaver and it said something with "shrink size" and not "resize".. at least in German. | 19:34 |
| wxl | fbaumanis: that might be a string translation issue | 19:35 |
| fbaumanis | wxl, not when i run the installation in German ;) | 19:36 |
| FurretUber | Hi, Lubuntu's default terminal don't show characters with accents properly. For example, à becomes Ã- | 19:37 |
| FurretUber | txiterm, from xiterm+thai, is set as the default x-terminal-emulator. Shouldn't the default terminal choice depends of the user locale on this case? | 19:37 |
| fbaumanis | FurretUber, afaik it should. | 19:38 |
| wxl | FurretUber: what you're asking is sort of asking for a lot. it would be more reasonable to file a bug in lxterminal and get that fixed, if that's indeed the problem, but i've used latin-based accents with no problem. | 19:39 |
| wxl | it may be that the default font doesn't support it, too | 19:39 |
| FurretUber | lxterminal is fine, the problem is that it defaults to txiterm | 19:39 |
| wxl | i have no idea why that would happen | 19:40 |
| fbaumanis | FurretUber, do you have nectec18 installed? | 19:41 |
| wxl | unfortunately i really know nothing about localization/internationalization so i'm not really going to be too helpful, but if lubuntu sets the default terminal based on the locale, then that is probably a system wide thing, i.e. it happens on ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, etc. | 19:42 |
| FurretUber | I can't find this package | 19:42 |
| FurretUber | If Lubuntu set lxterminal as default, this wouldn't happen | 19:43 |
| FurretUber | I don't know why it set txiterm as default | 19:43 |
| fbaumanis | oh okay, i just saw that you need nectec18 to render the font properly in the terminal.. | 19:43 |
| wxl | i'm personally shocked that lxterminal isn't the default | 19:44 |
| wxl | i don't understand the mechanism that would cause that | 19:44 |
| fbaumanis | we neither. | 19:44 |
| wxl | @VikingRedwolf do you have any idea about how setting a locale in some way would cause the default terminal emulator to become something other than lxterminal? i've never heard of this before. | 19:44 |
| wxl | FurretUber: is this a fresh install? which version? | 19:45 |
| FurretUber | Fresh install of 18.04 | 19:45 |
| FurretUber | Lubuntu (not Next) | 19:45 |
| FurretUber | This appears to be a problem of the x-terminal-emulator. Maybe it came wrong on the ISO already | 19:45 |
| wxl | with the alternate or desktop version? | 19:46 |
| FurretUber | Desktop | 19:46 |
| wxl | if you boot into the live system with the locale set the same way, do you have the same problem? | 19:46 |
| FurretUber | Give me a moment, I'll test | 19:46 |
| * fbaumanis leaves. | 19:49 | |
| FurretUber | On the live image (which I can't choose the language), the default terminal opened with Ctrl+Alt+T is xiterm+thai | 19:50 |
| wxl | did you set the locale at all in boot? | 19:50 |
| FurretUber | There was no option to do so | 19:51 |
| FurretUber | It booted directly into the desktop | 19:51 |
| wxl | so as far as you can tell everything is in english? | 19:51 |
| FurretUber | Everything is in english | 19:51 |
| wxl | yeah that makes no sense | 19:51 |
| wxl | also you should be able to set your language at boot (GRUB2) | 19:52 |
| wxl | are you sure you actually have a lubuntu image? XD | 19:52 |
| FurretUber | Yes, it is Lubuntu | 19:52 |
| wxl | do me a favor for my own sanity and give me a pastebin of `strings /path/to/iso | head -n 50` | 19:53 |
| FurretUber | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PrDXFm5wJQ/ | 19:54 |
| wxl | that looks like an older image | 19:55 |
| FurretUber | 3 days ago, at maximum | 19:57 |
| wxl | the 26th to be clear | 19:57 |
| wxl | i would not expect a development release to work perfectly until it's released | 19:57 |
| wxl | meanwhile, you should always be using the latest release | 19:57 |
| FurretUber | It works pretty good. I came here to talk about this problem, as I was not sure you were aware of the default terminal choice not being lxterminal | 19:58 |
| wxl | i don't experience the same problem, so as far as i can tell, it's not one | 19:58 |
| FurretUber | I'm downloading the ISO now, I will see if the same happens with that one | 20:01 |
| wxl | FurretUber: fwiw, with a new install i have lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Mar 1 12:08 /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/lxterminal | 20:17 |
| wxl | FurretUber: also xiterm+thai is not installed | 20:21 |
| FurretUber | Is this one the Lubuntu's ISO: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/bionic-desktop-amd64.iso | 20:31 |
| FurretUber | It has xiterm+thai installed and txiterm set as default. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SZWFtYCQyK/ | 20:32 |
| wxl | i can't replicate that | 20:33 |
| wxl | try with one of the other flavours like xubuntu | 20:33 |
| wxl | there must be something unique to your system, machine, something, that's causing this | 20:34 |
| wxl | lxterminal is in the manifest. xiterm is not http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20180301/bionic-desktop-amd64.manifest | 20:35 |
| FurretUber | xiterm+thai1.10-2 | 20:37 |
| FurretUber | Line 1320 | 20:37 |
| wxl | have you tried installing any other version of lubuntu before? | 20:38 |
| FurretUber | Do you mean like 16.04? Yes. The first time I've installed was 12.04. | 20:38 |
| wxl | and no problems there, right? | 20:38 |
| FurretUber | Right | 20:38 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: so it seems like since artful, xiterm+thai has creeped into our manifest. you know why? | 20:39 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, Wat? | 20:40 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> No clue | 20:40 |
| wxl | we need to figure this out. for some reason in some instances, it's the default terminal | 20:41 |
| wxl | even without changing locales | 20:41 |
| FurretUber | The system is in UEFI mode and was installed in Brazilian Portuguese | 20:41 |
| wxl | which system? | 20:42 |
| wxl | it's not in the manifest of lubuntu-next, kubuntu, xubuntu | 20:43 |
| FurretUber | The specifications of the computer? AsRock H55M-LE, Intel Core i3-540, AMD Radeon HD 5450, 6 GB RAM | 20:43 |
| wxl | you said the "system" "was installed" | 20:44 |
| FurretUber | The system: Lubuntu 18.04. The boot was in UEFI mode, the idiom I choose to install was Brazilian Portuguese | 20:44 |
| wxl | yeah well that's irrelevant. if you boot to the live cd and it's in english, the language shouldn't be a thing | 20:45 |
| wxl | most strangely `apt-rdepends -r xiterm+thai` returns nothing, @tsimonq2. i'm not sure how it got on our manifest | 20:45 |
| lubot | <VikingRedwolf> @wxl, No. It shouldn't affect at all. | 20:46 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, Hum. Idk. | 20:46 |
| wxl | i also have no idea how i can't replicate this being a problem | 20:47 |
| wxl | admittedly i had an alternate install but that shouldn't matter | 20:47 |
| wxl | zsyncing now | 20:48 |
| wxl | ok @tsimonq2 it's something specific to desktop. alternate does not have the same problem. | 21:12 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: do you have any ideas about this at all? it's totally bizarre. | 21:13 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, My last usual check are the ISO build logs | 21:16 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> They're verbose. | 21:16 |
| wxl | does anyone have any desktop (preferably amd64) images from before 26 feb? | 21:17 |
| wxl | i wonder if this doesn't have something to do with language-pack-th | 21:18 |
| wxl | i could imagine a situation where if somehow the emualtor got added to the language pack and the language pack is installed after lxterminal, that it would become x-terminal-emulator | 21:18 |
| wxl | the control file says it provides x-terminal-emulator but there's no emulator as a depend/recommend/suggest, etc | 21:19 |
| wxl | oh interesting. language-pack-th is new apparently | 21:22 |
| wxl | well, as of 2016 | 21:23 |
| wxl | i'm pretty sure we get more languages with live, which is why i think that's the route to go | 21:24 |
| wxl | ot | 21:27 |
| wxl | it's not even in the logs. wth | 21:27 |
| wxl | oh nope found it | 21:28 |
| wxl | Installing xiterm+thai as Depends of apport-gtk | 21:28 |
| wxl | apport-gtk only depends on x-terminal-emulator though ughhhh | 21:29 |
| wxl | yet earlier * Chose gnome-terminal out of x-terminal-emulator to satisfy apport-gtk | 21:32 |
| tsimonq2 | Harumph. | 21:33 |
| wxl | this has got to be some sort of weird seed issue | 21:33 |
| wxl | but i'm not sure how o quite figure it out | 21:33 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Release Team might be able to help as ultima ratio. | 21:34 |
| wxl | what i can confirm is xiterm is installed AFTER lxterminal | 21:37 |
| wxl | i'm sure that's the problem | 21:37 |
| wxl | i'm still not entirely sure how xiterm is getting on there, but *shrug* | 21:37 |
| tsimonq2 | It shouldn't be, because lxterminal provides x-terminal-emulator. | 21:37 |
| lynorian | I slept in too late and woke up to something wierd | 21:46 |
| wxl | @julienlavergne if you have any thoughts as to how xiterm+thai got onto our desktop image (not alternate), i'd love to hear it. i can't find it anywhere in the germinate-output at all. 3 other flavors i've checked don't have it, but there it is in our manifest, and it's getting set as x-terminal-emulator. | 22:11 |
| wxl | FurretUber: if you want to file a bug on that, that would be great. file against lubuntu-meta for the time being | 22:12 |
| FurretUber | I can't report against lubuntu-meta, it says the package is not installed | 22:14 |
| wxl | try lubuntu-desktop then | 22:15 |
| wxl | FurretUber: did you get that bug done? | 22:30 |
| FurretUber | It's nearly done | 22:31 |
| wxl | k | 22:31 |
| FurretUber | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1752733 | 22:32 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1752733 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Default terminal emulator is set to txiterm, which causes problems with certain characters" [Undecided, New] | 22:32 |
| wxl | thx FurretUber | 22:33 |
| wxl | sorry for ever doubting you :) | 22:34 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: i think you have germinate locally, so here's your bug report with everything you need to fix it (feel free to assign yourself) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1752733 | 23:02 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1752733 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "xiterm+thai is installed and set to x-terminal-emulator" [Undecided, Triaged] | 23:02 |
| wxl | FurretUber: you'll notice i kind of usurped your bug from being about accent support to being about having the wrong terminal in there. i assume lxterminal works fine for you, right? if not, we should also file a bug against that. similarly, if you want to you can file a bug against xiterm+thai but i'm not sure a package meant specifically for thai language support should be expected to handle latin | 23:04 |
| wxl | scripts all that well | 23:04 |
| FurretUber | lxterminal works. I reported what was the problem (the default terminal not being able to use characters with accents) | 23:05 |
| FurretUber | I needed some time to understand that terminal was not lxterminal | 23:05 |
| wxl | yeah | 23:05 |
| wxl | from what i can tell the issue is that lxterminal gets installed after another package requires an x-terminal-emulator and i guess it sort of randomly picks one | 23:06 |
| wxl | so after we fix our seeds so that lxterminal gets installed earlier, we should have no problems-- and not have xiterm+thai installed at all, which we don't want | 23:06 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> "explicity unseed xiterm+thai, which I think is more of a band-aid" that's not a bandaid | 23:07 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> That's our freaking solution XD | 23:07 |
| wxl | that doesn't fix the problem as to why it's there | 23:07 |
| wxl | it's quite possible we might have to explicitly unseed every single emulator except lxterminal if we go that route | 23:08 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> @wxl, One thing I'm super curious about is why this only affects the desktop install... | 23:10 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Finding the difference there will likely point right at the problem | 23:11 |
| wxl | pop open germinate and see what you figure out | 23:11 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> "pop open germinate" yeah it's not that simple :) | 23:13 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> It'll take some time | 23:13 |
| wxl | there's no other good solution | 23:13 |
| lubot | <tsimonq2> Ugh fine | 23:14 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: you can try the explicit unseed, but i bet it will come up again | 23:17 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: you could also try explicitly unseeding all of the other emulators, since it's likely that explicit unseed will just result in xiterm+thai being replaced with something else | 23:17 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: but then we have to track x-terminal-emulator and which packages are included in it | 23:18 |
| wxl | @tsimonq2: it's possible that you could write some python to do that for you | 23:18 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: hmm | 23:39 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: idk | 23:39 |
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