[03:10] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been marked as ready
[03:10] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been marked as ready
[03:39] <lynorian> yay
[03:39] <lynorian> even if I only did one test still helpful
 💙
[03:42] <lynorian> gah not showing up in hexchat on lubuntu next
 Any wireless connection manager which works fine and does not require a loop of sudo service network-manager restart?
 @Sergio_Security, NM is utilized with polkit, I don't think you need to face systemd(systemctl) that often...
 @brli7848, Why would you not want to face systemctl
 @alamo18, Check above... If needed, I will. However, get online with wifi using nm applet doesn't require this
[08:40]  * lynorian likes nmtui
[09:25] <fbaumanis> good morning!
[09:31] <fbaumanis> just a general question: would you prefer a dedicated testing PC for testing or a virtual machine?
[09:33] <lynorian> fbaumanis, both
[09:34] <lynorian> run virtual machines from the machine dedicated to testing
[09:34] <fbaumanis> lynorian: okay, makes sense :)
[09:34] <fbaumanis> thank you
[09:45] <lynorian> that way you make sure vms work on the release as well
[14:00] <fbaumanis> the latest bionic daily still doesnt have the "Guided - resize" option for Partitioning. Does anybody have some info about that?
 @fbaumanis, Lubuntu or Lubuntu Next?
[14:04] <fbaumanis> @lubot, Lubuntu
[14:05] <fbaumanis> @lubot, to be correct, this testcase: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/166848/testcases/1438
 I'm just a Telegram bridge, I'm tsimonq2 on IRC as well ;)
[14:07] <fbaumanis> @tsimonq2 ah i see ;)
 wxl: Can you please look into this?
[15:37] <fbaumanis> i discovered a bug during the installation of kubuntu bionic.. so where do i have to run ubuntu-bug ubiquity? on my local machine? 
 @fbaumanis, Yes
[15:41] <fbaumanis> tsimonq2, thanks!
[15:50] <fbaumanis> but it wants to send the information about my local machine.. the bug happened in the VM..
[16:20] <acheronuk> trying: falkon
[16:20] <acheronuk> skipped: falkon (17, 0, 176)
[16:20] <acheronuk>     got: 12+0: a-1:a-1:a-3:i-1:p-3:s-3
[16:20] <acheronuk>     * armhf: lubuntu-qt-desktop, qupzilla-plugin-gnome-keyring
[16:20] <acheronuk> so falkon breaks lubuntu-qt-desktop!
[18:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: fbaumanis: does the drive already have something on it? if not, you won't see resize.
 @fbnbmns, Welcome!
 @tsimonq2, Thanks! I'm fbaumanis from IRC ;)
 @fbnbmns, :D
 @wxl, Then the testcase description should include a warning, that something should be on the drive already. I can do that.
[19:05] <wxl> yeah i mean it does stand to reason :)
[19:06] <wxl> how do you resize something that doesn't already have a size? :)
 Speaking of installers...
 wxl, how was that swap bug coming along?
[19:07] <fbaumanis> wxl, if there is an ubuntu installation already on it, it has a size, or? :D
[19:07] <wxl> it needs to have some sort of partitions
[19:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you mean the one we're waiting on cyphermox on?
 @wxl, Yeah, the one we're waiting for cyphermox on
[19:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: who knows. ask him.
[19:09] <fbaumanis> @wxl, then i will add a reminder to make sure that the drive already should have partitions.
[19:10] <wxl> the key here being *RE*size
 cyphermox: How was that coming along?
[19:10] <wxl> :)
[19:34] <fbaumanis> wxl yeah, i must have something with a size to REsize. :D tried it now with the setup on top of an already existing bionic beaver and it said something with "shrink size" and not "resize".. at least in German.
[19:35] <wxl> fbaumanis: that might be a string translation issue
[19:36] <fbaumanis> wxl, not when i run the installation in German ;)
[19:37] <FurretUber> Hi, Lubuntu's default terminal don't show characters with accents properly. For example, í becomes Ã-
[19:37] <FurretUber> txiterm, from xiterm+thai, is set as the default x-terminal-emulator. Shouldn't the default terminal choice depends of the user locale on this case?
[19:38] <fbaumanis> FurretUber, afaik it should.
[19:39] <wxl> FurretUber: what you're asking is sort of asking for a lot. it would be more reasonable to file a bug in lxterminal and get that fixed, if that's indeed the problem, but i've used latin-based accents with no problem.
[19:39] <wxl> it may be that the default font doesn't support it, too
[19:39] <FurretUber> lxterminal is fine, the problem is that it defaults to txiterm
[19:40] <wxl> i have no idea why that would happen
[19:41] <fbaumanis> FurretUber, do you have nectec18 installed?
[19:42] <wxl> unfortunately i really know nothing about localization/internationalization so i'm not really going to be too helpful, but if lubuntu sets the default terminal based on the locale, then that is probably a system wide thing, i.e. it happens on ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, etc.
[19:42] <FurretUber> I can't find this package
[19:43] <FurretUber> If Lubuntu set lxterminal as default, this wouldn't happen
[19:43] <FurretUber> I don't know why it set txiterm as default
[19:43] <fbaumanis> oh okay, i just saw that you need nectec18 to render the font properly in the terminal..
[19:44] <wxl> i'm personally shocked that lxterminal isn't the default
[19:44] <wxl> i don't understand the mechanism that would cause that
[19:44] <fbaumanis> we neither.
[19:44] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf do you have any idea about how setting a locale in some way would cause the default terminal emulator to become something other than lxterminal? i've never heard of this before.
[19:45] <wxl> FurretUber: is this a fresh install? which version?
[19:45] <FurretUber> Fresh install of 18.04
[19:45] <FurretUber> Lubuntu (not Next)
[19:45] <FurretUber> This appears to be a problem of the x-terminal-emulator. Maybe it came wrong on the ISO already
[19:46] <wxl> with the alternate or desktop version?
[19:46] <FurretUber> Desktop
[19:46] <wxl> if you boot into the live system with the locale set the same way, do you have the same problem?
[19:46] <FurretUber> Give me a moment, I'll test
[19:49]  * fbaumanis leaves.
[19:50] <FurretUber> On the live image (which I can't choose the language), the default terminal opened with Ctrl+Alt+T is xiterm+thai
[19:50] <wxl> did you set the locale at all in boot?
[19:51] <FurretUber> There was no option to do so
[19:51] <FurretUber> It booted directly into the desktop
[19:51] <wxl> so as far as you can tell everything is in english?
[19:51] <FurretUber> Everything is in english
[19:51] <wxl> yeah that makes no sense
[19:52] <wxl> also you should be able to set your language at boot (GRUB2)
[19:52] <wxl> are you sure you actually have a lubuntu image? XD
[19:52] <FurretUber> Yes, it is Lubuntu
[19:53] <wxl> do me a favor for my own sanity and give me a pastebin of `strings /path/to/iso | head -n 50`
[19:54] <FurretUber> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PrDXFm5wJQ/
[19:55] <wxl> that looks like an older image
[19:57] <FurretUber> 3 days ago, at maximum
[19:57] <wxl> the 26th to be clear
[19:57] <wxl> i would not expect a development release to work perfectly until it's released
[19:57] <wxl> meanwhile, you should always be using the latest release
[19:58] <FurretUber> It works pretty good. I came here to talk about this problem, as I was not sure you were aware of the default terminal choice not being lxterminal
[19:58] <wxl> i don't experience the same problem, so as far as i can tell, it's not one
[20:01] <FurretUber> I'm downloading the ISO now, I will see if the same happens with that one
[20:17] <wxl> FurretUber: fwiw, with a new install i have lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Mar  1 12:08 /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/lxterminal
[20:21] <wxl> FurretUber: also xiterm+thai is not installed
[20:31] <FurretUber> Is this one the Lubuntu's ISO: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/bionic-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:32] <FurretUber> It has xiterm+thai installed and txiterm set as default. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SZWFtYCQyK/
[20:33] <wxl> i can't replicate that
[20:33] <wxl> try with one of the other flavours like xubuntu
[20:34] <wxl> there must be something unique to your system, machine, something, that's causing this
[20:35] <wxl> lxterminal is in the manifest. xiterm is not http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20180301/bionic-desktop-amd64.manifest
[20:37] <FurretUber> xiterm+thai	1.10-2
[20:37] <FurretUber> Line 1320
[20:38] <wxl> have you tried installing any other version of lubuntu before?
[20:38] <FurretUber> Do you mean like 16.04? Yes. The first time I've installed was 12.04.
[20:38] <wxl> and no problems there, right?
[20:38] <FurretUber> Right
[20:39] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so it seems like since artful, xiterm+thai has creeped into our manifest. you know why?
 @wxl, Wat?
 No clue
[20:41] <wxl> we need to figure this out. for some reason in some instances, it's the default terminal
[20:41] <wxl> even without changing locales
[20:41] <FurretUber> The system is in UEFI mode and was installed in Brazilian Portuguese
[20:42] <wxl> which system?
[20:43] <wxl> it's not in the manifest of lubuntu-next, kubuntu, xubuntu
[20:43] <FurretUber> The specifications of the computer? AsRock H55M-LE, Intel Core i3-540, AMD Radeon HD 5450, 6 GB RAM
[20:44] <wxl> you said the "system" "was installed"
[20:44] <FurretUber> The system: Lubuntu 18.04. The boot was in UEFI mode, the idiom I choose to install was Brazilian Portuguese
[20:45] <wxl> yeah well that's irrelevant. if you boot to the live cd and it's in english, the language shouldn't be a thing
[20:45] <wxl> most strangely `apt-rdepends -r xiterm+thai` returns nothing, @tsimonq2. i'm not sure how it got on our manifest
 @wxl, No. It shouldn't affect at all.
 @wxl, Hum. Idk.
[20:47] <wxl> i also have no idea how i can't replicate this being a problem
[20:47] <wxl> admittedly i had an alternate install but that shouldn't matter
[20:48] <wxl> zsyncing now
[21:12] <wxl> ok @tsimonq2 it's something specific to desktop. alternate does not have the same problem.
[21:13] <wxl> @tsimonq2: do you have any ideas about this at all? it's totally bizarre.
 @wxl, My last usual check are the ISO build logs
 They're verbose.
[21:17] <wxl> does anyone have any desktop (preferably amd64) images from before 26 feb?
[21:18] <wxl> i wonder if this doesn't have something to do with language-pack-th
[21:18] <wxl> i could imagine a situation where if somehow the emualtor got added to the language pack and the language pack is installed after lxterminal, that it would become x-terminal-emulator
[21:19] <wxl> the control file says it provides x-terminal-emulator but there's no emulator as a depend/recommend/suggest, etc
[21:22] <wxl> oh interesting. language-pack-th is new apparently
[21:23] <wxl> well, as of 2016
[21:24] <wxl> i'm pretty sure we get more languages with live, which is why i think that's the route to go
[21:27] <wxl> ot
[21:27] <wxl> it's not even in the logs. wth
[21:28] <wxl> oh nope found it
[21:28] <wxl> Installing xiterm+thai as Depends of apport-gtk
[21:29] <wxl> apport-gtk only depends on x-terminal-emulator though ughhhh
[21:32] <wxl> yet earlier * Chose gnome-terminal out of x-terminal-emulator to satisfy apport-gtk
[21:33] <tsimonq2> Harumph.
[21:33] <wxl> this has got to be some sort of weird seed issue
[21:33] <wxl> but i'm not sure how o quite figure it out
[21:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: Release Team might be able to help as ultima ratio.
[21:37] <wxl> what i can confirm is xiterm is installed AFTER lxterminal
[21:37] <wxl> i'm sure that's the problem
[21:37] <wxl> i'm still not entirely sure how xiterm is getting on there, but *shrug*
[21:37] <tsimonq2> It shouldn't be, because lxterminal provides x-terminal-emulator.
[21:46] <lynorian> I slept in too late and woke up to something wierd
[22:11] <wxl> @julienlavergne if you have any thoughts as to how xiterm+thai got onto our desktop image (not alternate), i'd love to hear it. i can't find it anywhere in the germinate-output at all. 3 other flavors i've checked don't have it, but there it is in our manifest, and it's getting set as x-terminal-emulator.
[22:12] <wxl> FurretUber: if you want to file a bug on that, that would be great. file against lubuntu-meta for the time being
[22:14] <FurretUber> I can't report against lubuntu-meta, it says the package is not installed
[22:15] <wxl> try lubuntu-desktop then
[22:30] <wxl> FurretUber: did you get that bug done?
[22:31] <FurretUber> It's nearly done
[22:31] <wxl> k
[22:32] <FurretUber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1752733
[22:33] <wxl> thx FurretUber 
[22:34] <wxl> sorry for ever doubting you :)
[23:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i think you have germinate locally, so here's your bug report with everything you need to fix it (feel free to assign yourself) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1752733
[23:04] <wxl> FurretUber: you'll notice i kind of usurped your bug from being about accent support to being about having the wrong terminal in there. i assume lxterminal works fine for you, right? if not, we should also file a bug against that. similarly, if you want to you can file a bug against xiterm+thai but i'm not sure a package meant specifically for thai language support should be expected to handle latin 
[23:04] <wxl> scripts all that well
[23:05] <FurretUber> lxterminal works. I reported what was the problem (the default terminal not being able to use characters with accents)
[23:05] <FurretUber> I needed some time to understand that terminal was not lxterminal
[23:05] <wxl> yeah
[23:06] <wxl> from what i can tell the issue is that lxterminal gets installed after another package requires an x-terminal-emulator and i guess it sort of randomly picks one
[23:06] <wxl> so after we fix our seeds so that lxterminal gets installed earlier, we should have no problems-- and not have xiterm+thai installed at all, which we don't want
 "explicity unseed xiterm+thai, which I think is more of a band-aid" that's not a bandaid
 That's our freaking solution XD
[23:07] <wxl> that doesn't fix the problem as to why it's there
[23:08] <wxl> it's quite possible we might have to explicitly unseed every single emulator except lxterminal if we go that route
 @wxl, One thing I'm super curious about is why this only affects the desktop install...
 Finding the difference there will likely point right at the problem
[23:11] <wxl> pop open germinate and see what you figure out
 "pop open germinate" yeah it's not that simple :)
 It'll take some time
[23:13] <wxl> there's no other good solution
 Ugh fine
[23:17] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you can try the explicit unseed, but i bet it will come up again
[23:17] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you could also try explicitly unseeding all of the other emulators, since it's likely that explicit unseed will just result in xiterm+thai being replaced with something else
[23:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: but then we have to track x-terminal-emulator and which packages are included in it
[23:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's possible that you could write some python to do that for you
[23:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: hmm
[23:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: idk