=== TheMaster is now known as Unit193 [03:10] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been marked as ready [03:10] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Xenial 16.04.4] has been marked as ready [03:39] yay [03:39] even if I only did one test still helpful [03:39] 💙 [03:42] gah not showing up in hexchat on lubuntu next [04:26] Any wireless connection manager which works fine and does not require a loop of sudo service network-manager restart? [04:32] @Sergio_Security, NM is utilized with polkit, I don't think you need to face systemd(systemctl) that often... [08:36] @brli7848, Why would you not want to face systemctl [08:38] @alamo18, Check above... If needed, I will. However, get online with wifi using nm applet doesn't require this [08:40] * lynorian likes nmtui [09:25] good morning! [09:31] just a general question: would you prefer a dedicated testing PC for testing or a virtual machine? [09:33] fbaumanis, both [09:34] run virtual machines from the machine dedicated to testing [09:34] lynorian: okay, makes sense :) [09:34] thank you [09:45] that way you make sure vms work on the release as well [14:00] the latest bionic daily still doesnt have the "Guided - resize" option for Partitioning. Does anybody have some info about that? [14:03] @fbaumanis, Lubuntu or Lubuntu Next? [14:04] @lubot, Lubuntu [14:05] @lubot, to be correct, this testcase: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/166848/testcases/1438 [14:06] I'm just a Telegram bridge, I'm tsimonq2 on IRC as well ;) [14:07] @tsimonq2 ah i see ;) [14:07] wxl: Can you please look into this? [15:37] i discovered a bug during the installation of kubuntu bionic.. so where do i have to run ubuntu-bug ubiquity? on my local machine? [15:41] @fbaumanis, Yes [15:41] tsimonq2, thanks! [15:50] but it wants to send the information about my local machine.. the bug happened in the VM.. [16:20] trying: falkon [16:20] skipped: falkon (17, 0, 176) [16:20] got: 12+0: a-1:a-1:a-3:i-1:p-3:s-3 [16:20] * armhf: lubuntu-qt-desktop, qupzilla-plugin-gnome-keyring [16:20] so falkon breaks lubuntu-qt-desktop! [18:13] tsimonq2: fbaumanis: does the drive already have something on it? if not, you won't see resize. [19:00] fbnbmns was added by: fbnbmns [19:01] @fbnbmns, Welcome! [19:02] @tsimonq2, Thanks! I'm fbaumanis from IRC ;) [19:03] @fbnbmns, :D [19:05] @wxl, Then the testcase description should include a warning, that something should be on the drive already. I can do that. [19:05] yeah i mean it does stand to reason :) [19:06] how do you resize something that doesn't already have a size? :) [19:07] Speaking of installers... [19:07] wxl, how was that swap bug coming along? [19:07] wxl, if there is an ubuntu installation already on it, it has a size, or? :D [19:07] it needs to have some sort of partitions [19:08] @tsimonq2: you mean the one we're waiting on cyphermox on? [19:08] @wxl, Yeah, the one we're waiting for cyphermox on [19:08] @tsimonq2: who knows. ask him. [19:09] @wxl, then i will add a reminder to make sure that the drive already should have partitions. [19:10] the key here being *RE*size [19:10] cyphermox: How was that coming along? [19:10] :) [19:34] wxl yeah, i must have something with a size to REsize. :D tried it now with the setup on top of an already existing bionic beaver and it said something with "shrink size" and not "resize".. at least in German. [19:35] fbaumanis: that might be a string translation issue [19:36] wxl, not when i run the installation in German ;) [19:37] Hi, Lubuntu's default terminal don't show characters with accents properly. For example, í becomes Ã- [19:37] txiterm, from xiterm+thai, is set as the default x-terminal-emulator. Shouldn't the default terminal choice depends of the user locale on this case? [19:38] FurretUber, afaik it should. [19:39] FurretUber: what you're asking is sort of asking for a lot. it would be more reasonable to file a bug in lxterminal and get that fixed, if that's indeed the problem, but i've used latin-based accents with no problem. [19:39] it may be that the default font doesn't support it, too [19:39] lxterminal is fine, the problem is that it defaults to txiterm [19:40] i have no idea why that would happen [19:41] FurretUber, do you have nectec18 installed? [19:42] unfortunately i really know nothing about localization/internationalization so i'm not really going to be too helpful, but if lubuntu sets the default terminal based on the locale, then that is probably a system wide thing, i.e. it happens on ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, etc. [19:42] I can't find this package [19:43] If Lubuntu set lxterminal as default, this wouldn't happen [19:43] I don't know why it set txiterm as default [19:43] oh okay, i just saw that you need nectec18 to render the font properly in the terminal.. [19:44] i'm personally shocked that lxterminal isn't the default [19:44] i don't understand the mechanism that would cause that [19:44] we neither. [19:44] @VikingRedwolf do you have any idea about how setting a locale in some way would cause the default terminal emulator to become something other than lxterminal? i've never heard of this before. [19:45] FurretUber: is this a fresh install? which version? [19:45] Fresh install of 18.04 [19:45] Lubuntu (not Next) [19:45] This appears to be a problem of the x-terminal-emulator. Maybe it came wrong on the ISO already [19:46] with the alternate or desktop version? [19:46] Desktop [19:46] if you boot into the live system with the locale set the same way, do you have the same problem? [19:46] Give me a moment, I'll test [19:49] * fbaumanis leaves. [19:50] On the live image (which I can't choose the language), the default terminal opened with Ctrl+Alt+T is xiterm+thai [19:50] did you set the locale at all in boot? [19:51] There was no option to do so [19:51] It booted directly into the desktop [19:51] so as far as you can tell everything is in english? [19:51] Everything is in english [19:51] yeah that makes no sense [19:52] also you should be able to set your language at boot (GRUB2) [19:52] are you sure you actually have a lubuntu image? XD [19:52] Yes, it is Lubuntu [19:53] do me a favor for my own sanity and give me a pastebin of `strings /path/to/iso | head -n 50` [19:54] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PrDXFm5wJQ/ [19:55] that looks like an older image [19:57] 3 days ago, at maximum [19:57] the 26th to be clear [19:57] i would not expect a development release to work perfectly until it's released [19:57] meanwhile, you should always be using the latest release [19:58] It works pretty good. I came here to talk about this problem, as I was not sure you were aware of the default terminal choice not being lxterminal [19:58] i don't experience the same problem, so as far as i can tell, it's not one [20:01] I'm downloading the ISO now, I will see if the same happens with that one [20:17] FurretUber: fwiw, with a new install i have lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Mar 1 12:08 /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/bin/lxterminal [20:21] FurretUber: also xiterm+thai is not installed [20:31] Is this one the Lubuntu's ISO: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/bionic-desktop-amd64.iso [20:32] It has xiterm+thai installed and txiterm set as default. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SZWFtYCQyK/ [20:33] i can't replicate that [20:33] try with one of the other flavours like xubuntu [20:34] there must be something unique to your system, machine, something, that's causing this [20:35] lxterminal is in the manifest. xiterm is not http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20180301/bionic-desktop-amd64.manifest [20:37] xiterm+thai 1.10-2 [20:37] Line 1320 [20:38] have you tried installing any other version of lubuntu before? [20:38] Do you mean like 16.04? Yes. The first time I've installed was 12.04. [20:38] and no problems there, right? [20:38] Right [20:39] @tsimonq2: so it seems like since artful, xiterm+thai has creeped into our manifest. you know why? [20:40] @wxl, Wat? [20:40] No clue [20:41] we need to figure this out. for some reason in some instances, it's the default terminal [20:41] even without changing locales [20:41] The system is in UEFI mode and was installed in Brazilian Portuguese [20:42] which system? [20:43] it's not in the manifest of lubuntu-next, kubuntu, xubuntu [20:43] The specifications of the computer? AsRock H55M-LE, Intel Core i3-540, AMD Radeon HD 5450, 6 GB RAM [20:44] you said the "system" "was installed" [20:44] The system: Lubuntu 18.04. The boot was in UEFI mode, the idiom I choose to install was Brazilian Portuguese [20:45] yeah well that's irrelevant. if you boot to the live cd and it's in english, the language shouldn't be a thing [20:45] most strangely `apt-rdepends -r xiterm+thai` returns nothing, @tsimonq2. i'm not sure how it got on our manifest [20:46] @wxl, No. It shouldn't affect at all. [20:46] @wxl, Hum. Idk. [20:47] i also have no idea how i can't replicate this being a problem [20:47] admittedly i had an alternate install but that shouldn't matter [20:48] zsyncing now [21:12] ok @tsimonq2 it's something specific to desktop. alternate does not have the same problem. [21:13] @tsimonq2: do you have any ideas about this at all? it's totally bizarre. [21:16] @wxl, My last usual check are the ISO build logs [21:16] They're verbose. [21:17] does anyone have any desktop (preferably amd64) images from before 26 feb? [21:18] i wonder if this doesn't have something to do with language-pack-th [21:18] i could imagine a situation where if somehow the emualtor got added to the language pack and the language pack is installed after lxterminal, that it would become x-terminal-emulator [21:19] the control file says it provides x-terminal-emulator but there's no emulator as a depend/recommend/suggest, etc [21:22] oh interesting. language-pack-th is new apparently [21:23] well, as of 2016 [21:24] i'm pretty sure we get more languages with live, which is why i think that's the route to go [21:27] ot [21:27] it's not even in the logs. wth [21:28] oh nope found it [21:28] Installing xiterm+thai as Depends of apport-gtk [21:29] apport-gtk only depends on x-terminal-emulator though ughhhh [21:32] yet earlier * Chose gnome-terminal out of x-terminal-emulator to satisfy apport-gtk [21:33] Harumph. [21:33] this has got to be some sort of weird seed issue [21:33] but i'm not sure how o quite figure it out [21:34] wxl: Release Team might be able to help as ultima ratio. [21:37] what i can confirm is xiterm is installed AFTER lxterminal [21:37] i'm sure that's the problem [21:37] i'm still not entirely sure how xiterm is getting on there, but *shrug* [21:37] It shouldn't be, because lxterminal provides x-terminal-emulator. [21:46] I slept in too late and woke up to something wierd [22:11] @julienlavergne if you have any thoughts as to how xiterm+thai got onto our desktop image (not alternate), i'd love to hear it. i can't find it anywhere in the germinate-output at all. 3 other flavors i've checked don't have it, but there it is in our manifest, and it's getting set as x-terminal-emulator. [22:12] FurretUber: if you want to file a bug on that, that would be great. file against lubuntu-meta for the time being [22:14] I can't report against lubuntu-meta, it says the package is not installed [22:15] try lubuntu-desktop then [22:30] FurretUber: did you get that bug done? [22:31] It's nearly done [22:31] k [22:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1752733 [22:32] Launchpad bug 1752733 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Default terminal emulator is set to txiterm, which causes problems with certain characters" [Undecided, New] [22:33] thx FurretUber [22:34] sorry for ever doubting you :) [23:02] @tsimonq2: i think you have germinate locally, so here's your bug report with everything you need to fix it (feel free to assign yourself) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1752733 [23:02] Launchpad bug 1752733 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "xiterm+thai is installed and set to x-terminal-emulator" [Undecided, Triaged] [23:04] FurretUber: you'll notice i kind of usurped your bug from being about accent support to being about having the wrong terminal in there. i assume lxterminal works fine for you, right? if not, we should also file a bug against that. similarly, if you want to you can file a bug against xiterm+thai but i'm not sure a package meant specifically for thai language support should be expected to handle latin [23:04] scripts all that well [23:05] lxterminal works. I reported what was the problem (the default terminal not being able to use characters with accents) [23:05] I needed some time to understand that terminal was not lxterminal [23:05] yeah [23:06] from what i can tell the issue is that lxterminal gets installed after another package requires an x-terminal-emulator and i guess it sort of randomly picks one [23:06] so after we fix our seeds so that lxterminal gets installed earlier, we should have no problems-- and not have xiterm+thai installed at all, which we don't want [23:07] "explicity unseed xiterm+thai, which I think is more of a band-aid" that's not a bandaid [23:07] That's our freaking solution XD [23:07] that doesn't fix the problem as to why it's there [23:08] it's quite possible we might have to explicitly unseed every single emulator except lxterminal if we go that route [23:10] @wxl, One thing I'm super curious about is why this only affects the desktop install... [23:11] Finding the difference there will likely point right at the problem [23:11] pop open germinate and see what you figure out [23:13] "pop open germinate" yeah it's not that simple :) [23:13] It'll take some time [23:13] there's no other good solution [23:14] Ugh fine [23:17] @tsimonq2: you can try the explicit unseed, but i bet it will come up again [23:17] @tsimonq2: you could also try explicitly unseeding all of the other emulators, since it's likely that explicit unseed will just result in xiterm+thai being replaced with something else [23:18] @tsimonq2: but then we have to track x-terminal-emulator and which packages are included in it [23:18] @tsimonq2: it's possible that you could write some python to do that for you [23:39] wxl: hmm [23:39] wxl: idk