[00:05] <zmoylan-pi> spring is here... ::battens hatches for storm emma::
[00:07] <daftykins> :>
[00:09] <zmoylan-pi> basically red weather warning telling people to stay indoors from 4pm for 24hours
[00:10] <daftykins> something bigger is coming?
[00:11] <zmoylan-pi> cold weather front sitting on ireland straight from north pole. storm emma heading up from portugal. when they meet it'll be moider... ::cue hart to hart theme tune::
[00:11] <daftykins> :D my Dad always used to use that line, not that i knew the source
[00:14] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNaLVStHXpk
[00:15] <daftykins> such perm!
[00:15] <zmoylan-pi> twas the 70-80s...
[00:17] <zmoylan-pi> even with weather warnings some muppets will go to work tomorrow and then wonder who dumped a tonne of snow on them with high winds for fun plus freezing temps
[00:18] <daftykins> my heating is struggling to get to 17 deg C even with the outdoors only at 0 ish
[00:18] <zmoylan-pi> and emergency services will have to rescue some of them
[00:19] <zmoylan-pi> mine got main room up to 9c from -5c. i have a nice fleece house coat that keeps you toasty warm...
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:43] <brobostigon> o/
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> enjoying the weather?
[09:46]  * brobostigon wonders if zmoylan-pi has a sense of humour.
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> knock knock
[09:54] <brobostigon> thermal underwear who?
[14:02]  * zmoylan-pi returns from looted shops pre storm emma hitting...
[14:03] <SuperEngineer> that makes it sound like you did the looting zmoylan-pi
[14:05] <foobarry> which storm , where?
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> no no, people paid for their looting, quite civilised... but you don't want to be a bread delivery person... https://twitter.com/11SchillRob/status/968891974509121536
[14:08] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, Storm Emma, a.k.a. a snow flake touched a track so we're stopping all trains
[14:08] <foobarry> what country is that?
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> ireland has a storm that hit portugal a few days ago heading north were it's going to collide over ireland with a ice weather pattern that arrived from siberia.  expecting high winds and more snow... code red stay indoors weather
[14:09] <SuperEngineer> the U.K a.k.a a little island just off the EU
[14:09] <foobarry> whats this bread shortage?
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> ireland, a slightly less damp part of the atlantic
[14:10] <foobarry> this looks fake
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> tis real. every shop i'be been to 3-4 per day for last 3 days has no bread or only 2-3 loaves left
[14:11]  * SuperEngineer puts smug smile on face and cuddles his fresh loaf
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> [I looted early]
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> weirdo... :-P
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> weirdo with bread  :-p
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> i too may have scored a loaf but am not advertising the fact for security reasons...
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> but i did get stroopwafel to go with my coffee....
[14:20] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[14:31] <diddledan> mmm, covfefe
[14:31] <diddledan> bread is for lightweights. you want the hard stuff. toast.
[14:32] <diddledan> I might brave the weather to seek-out some chocolate
[14:35] <zmoylan-pi> just over an hour before e-hour... ireland is shutting from 4pm for 24 hours due to weather...
[14:45] <SuperEngineer> Well, I've now phoned 15 shops asking if they sold a loaf of toast.  Got some very nasty replies.
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> burn!!!!! :-P
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> ....which is my recipie for toast...
[14:49] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> There will be people here who going to say "damn the snow, I'm still  going to pub tonight!.  Good on you for your defiance...but PLEASE take something extra warm  with you.  On your way to or from that pub you may well see someone sleeping in shop doorway or similar.. They are not sure if they will be alive tommorrow - give them that extra warm stuff or phone for help if they are obviously in distress.
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, in ireland it's a stay indoors you muppet, don't make it so the rescue services have to endanger themselves to get to you... the find the homeless and get them into a shelter was yesterday and this morning...
[16:27] <Azelphur> To add to that, you should also contact Streetlink who will send someone out to try and get them into a warm bed for the night, You can find them via their website ( https://streetlink.force.com/ ) or use their iphone/android app.
[16:28] <daftykins> no idea if we have any homeless, never see any like in England
[16:29] <Azelphur> We have quite a lot here in Thanet, one of my friends is the manager at thanet winter shelter, and my gf volunteers there
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> they're there, just more invisible most likely... with a rural area there's always a barn/shed you can kip in...
[16:30] <daftykins> *nod*
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> here it's you have to step over some of the poor sods sleeping in the doorways of someplaces they sleep for warmth
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> https://streetlink.force.com/
[16:56] <Azelphur> In other news, I have deluge running on a VM, the storage for deluge is an NFS share, occasionally my torrents are failing with "Device or resource busy" - anyone got any ideas on that one?
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> we could use https://gizmodo.com/5332274/in-russia-snowblowers-use-mig-15-jets/ today :-)
[16:57] <daftykins> i would not separate an IO intensive task like that
[16:58] <Azelphur> daftykins: I'm game for suggestions
[16:58] <daftykins> haven't got any if you're married to running it in a VM
[16:58] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with the client though
[16:58] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, it's a good idea to run it in a VM, for isolation and stuff
[16:59] <daftykins> well i don't know your full setup to know how that fits in with everything else
[16:59] <daftykins> clearly networked storage is the problem though
[17:00] <Azelphur> Host is a machine with a big raid array (ext4, raid6 mdadm) mounted at /storage
[17:00] <Azelphur> guest is a kvm vm, running deluge, and has /storage/Torrents mounted over NFS
[17:00] <daftykins> hmm bad virtual networking maybe o0
[17:01] <daftykins> amusingly my file server's host OS runs the client and VMs run other stuff
[17:01] <Azelphur> I did have a lot of issues with SMB, which is why I switched over (horrible performance, guest seemed to hardlock at random)
[17:02] <daftykins> yeah not surprised
[17:02] <daftykins> must've had a pegged core solely for that during downloads or seeds
[17:03] <daftykins> i don't use that virt tech, but i know with others you can attach physical disks to run directly - personally i run my client atop separate download disks and then only copy to storage after completion, prevents fragmentation that way
[17:04] <daftykins> also reduces power use as the whole array doesn't need to be doing I/O to seed or download
[17:04] <Azelphur> yea, none of that is ideal, I dunno why NFS would fall over, especially when it's entirely local, should work.
[17:04] <daftykins> but it's not really local is it :) it's abstracted
[17:05] <Azelphur> suppose
[17:05] <daftykins> i thought you were mr. money bags with all the HDDs :D what's wrong about the above?
[17:05] <Azelphur> I have a lot of other things that all need access to the torrents output directory, so it'd end up being very convolute.
[17:07] <daftykins> sounds to me like it'd just move the NFS mount to being for them rather than for the client
[17:07] <daftykins> i bet you're gonna say this is all on your main desktop too xD
[17:09] <Azelphur> nope lol
[17:10] <daftykins> phew ;)
[17:14] <Azelphur> Found that archlinux seems to recommend you set soft as a mount option, seems like hard might be more appropriate, going to try with that.
[17:15] <daftykins> mmm, messing around with debugging it is gonna be the only alternative to designing it better
[17:16] <Azelphur> yea, there aren't really any better design options either imo, either I take deluge out of the vm (leaving me vulnerable) or I leave it in the VM And try to get some networked filesystem to work
[17:16] <daftykins> but i just described it, giving it DAS would take away the issues
[17:17] <Azelphur> daftykins: I answered that, DAS doesn't work in cases where multiple VMs need access to the same storage area
[17:17] <daftykins> well you didn't really give much detail as to how it wasn't a fit, i don't know what tasks they are for what kind of access is required
[17:18] <daftykins> as you didn't reply to why the NFS mounts couldn't be on that side
[17:19] <Azelphur> yea, basically there's a pile of VMs that need access to the torrents completed folder.
[17:19] <daftykins> why do them mounting via NFS not work, then?
[17:19] <Azelphur> isn't that what I'm already doing?
[17:24] <daftykins> no your torrent client is doing I/O with a NFS share, right
[17:24] <daftykins> so by moving that VM to be on a physical disk without a network protocol...
[17:24] <Azelphur> ah, I see, so deluge vm gets hard access, and nothing else does
[17:25] <Azelphur> It could potentially work, until I want to do intensive IO with something else :). My first port of call is certainly to figure out why NFS is unhappy - it shouldn't be
[17:25] <daftykins> *nod* 'cause the others would be less frequent
[17:25] <Azelphur> I'd be game for slow, but not randomly broken, something must be wrong somewhere.
[17:26] <daftykins> i mean it could be down to cacheing values in the client too, assuming you're seeing it during downloads
[17:26] <Azelphur> yea, I'm seeing it during downloads
[17:26] <Azelphur> I've fired up deluge in debug mode now, watching the log, so maybe I'll get some tracebacks or more useful information :)
[17:30] <daftykins> if it's anything like the clients i've used, it should have disk cacheing and writeout timing options etc