[00:00] <tsimonq2> .ir
[00:00] <tsimonq2> whooops
[00:08] <CoJaBo> donofrio: All the options are grayed out, with no explanation
[00:11] <donofrio> CoJaBo, hu?
[00:11] <CoJaBo> Try it; the interface is just terribly broken, and apparently has been unfixed since ~2014
[00:12] <CoJaBo> https://www.google.com/search?q=xfce+select+background+greyed+out
[00:12] <CoJaBo> Some from 2012 actually
[00:12] <CoJaBo> lol'd.
[00:14] <donofrio> CoJaBo, what it works for me great https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoMAqrMaVNAXibrQvEA
[00:14] <donofrio> again skip that onedrive login jazz
[00:16] <CoJaBo> donofrio: I mean, try to select one from another folder
[00:16] <donofrio> uh I did that is not stock mouse background ;)
[00:16] <CoJaBo> It pops up a message telling you to select a file, but the files are all grayed out
[00:16] <donofrio> I use xfce4 daily on my work and home machines
[00:17] <donofrio> you do noe select the file in that view but directoey that contains the file
[00:17] <CoJaBo> That and the clock issue, users are going to notice right away, and will be unable to fix withoug using Google. Or in the latter case, possibly at all.
[00:17] <CoJaBo> donofrio: Read the dialog again
[00:17] <donofrio> then it loads up thumbnails of all wallpapers it finds
[00:17] <donofrio> #xfce great channel and awesome people there....
[00:18] <CoJaBo> Tell them to fix their stuff then :P
[00:19] <donofrio> CoJaBo, it's working like it should.... ;)
[00:19] <donofrio> just my 2cents
[05:35] <gpunk> hi after this morning update , plasma is very slow, cpu at 100%
[06:34] <Vanish> Hey all. I just updated to the 18.04 alpla and now I am not able to connect to the internet at all. I can connect to the router just find and I can ping out but I can't run apt update, apt, upgrade, or use a web browser. It says that am offline
[06:46] <gpunk>  hi after this morning update , plasma is very slow, cpu at 100%
[06:59] <donofrio>  so what does this mean to you good folks "(deja-dup-monitor:722): dconf-CRITICAL **: 01:58:37.792: unable to create directory '/home/donofrio/.cache/dconf': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly."
[07:41] <flocculant> lotuspsychje_: woohoo - grub issue seen elsewhere, marked my one as a dupe to the one someone is assigned to :)
[07:43] <lotuspsychje_> flocculant: you got a bug url on that?
[07:44] <flocculant> bug 1752767
[07:45] <lotuspsychje_> lets c :p
[07:45] <lotuspsychje_> flocculant: 6 affected
[07:46] <lotuspsychje_> flocculant: is this your bug, or the dupe
[07:49] <flocculant> that's the dupe - most of the affected are coming from my one
[07:49] <flocculant> main thing is someone will fix it :D
[07:52] <lotuspsychje_> yay
[07:52] <flocculant> personally not over worried - only have grub for 3 secs - would look shit for the default time though lol
[07:57] <lotuspsychje_> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1752138
[07:58] <lotuspsychje_> browsing new grub bugs
[07:59] <flocculant> seems lots since I reported at beginning of Feb - possibly because it's shown up in artful :D
[08:00] <lotuspsychje_> yeah
[09:00] <Boyette> hi
[09:01] <Boyette> i have a weird problem
[09:01] <Boyette> when i press my prt sc button it doesnt make a screenshot mostly but about 30 seconds later my system cuts the power as a security measure
[09:21] <gpunk> hi after this morning update , plasma is very slow, cpu at 100%
[09:27] <lotuspsychje_> Boyette: might be interesting to tail -f /var/log/syslog to see whats happening in realtime before your system shutsdown
[09:45] <Boyette> if i can reproduce it
[09:45] <Boyette> but it does not always occur
[09:53] <Boyette> maybe this
[09:53] <Boyette> │Mar  2 09:59:15 HQ /slick-greeter-set-keyboard-layout: Result: Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard model#012         Using command line, ignoring X server#012Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard lay│
[09:57] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/w68dXmK6
[11:09] <Faux> Looks like xorg-server 2:1.19.6-1ubuntu2, now available, may fix my "Option" bug from ~16h ago. Not sure I can face trying it, though.
[11:28] <diddledan> fun https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AEIW4iKg/
[11:28] <diddledan> conflicting package
[11:28] <diddledan> I can't figure out a way out of this mess
[11:28] <diddledan> installing libgl1 removes ubuntu-desktop
[11:34] <TJ-> diddledan: "libgl1' is a virtual package; it doesn't exist. Other packages declare "Provides: libgl1" (libg1-mesa-glx is one that Provides) so your issue is that /another/ package is providing it
[11:34] <diddledan> ...
[11:35] <diddledan> I've got nvidia 390 drivers installed, surely they'd remove conflicting stuff though
[11:38] <TJ-> diddledan: try this: " awk -v PROV=libgl1 '/^Package/ {pkg=$2} /^Provides:/ && PROV == $2 {print pkg, $0} {}' /var/lib/dpkg/status "
[11:38] <diddledan> nada
[11:39]  * diddledan tries under root
[11:39] <diddledan> also nada
[11:41] <diddledan> I previously have removed both libgl1 and libgl1-mesa-glx in an attempt to fix this - the idea being to run apt install ubuntu-desktop^ again, but it's at that point I get the conflict
[11:42] <TJ-> diddledan: some other package is declaring the provides I think; maybe my command doesn't work correctly in all cases. I'll see if I can find another Provides group to test it on
[11:43] <diddledan> dpkg -l https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9ldGJWf7/
[11:44] <diddledan> removing libgl1 (apt remove libgl1) installs libgl1-mesa-glx and vice versa
[11:47] <diddledan> with libgl1-mesa-glx installed your script shows it: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Nr9FdKpv/
[11:51] <TJ-> diddledan: right, I was expecting more than 1 package to be reported
[11:51] <diddledan> the reason this came up is because I have no gnome shell working: gnome-session-check-accelerated-gl-helper: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:52] <diddledan> so I've been trying to figure out where the libGL.so.1 has gone to
[11:53] <diddledan> I'm not very familiar with the rules for conflicts/replaces/provides but libgl1-mesa-glx has the same value (libgl1) in all THREE slots
[11:54] <diddledan> I thought that was a nogo
[11:54] <diddledan> I mean how do you conflict with the thing that you provide? surely sounds like a loop
[11:57] <diddledan> ok, it looks like the nvidia drivers are wonky:
[11:57] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Mjvln4Qe/
[11:57] <diddledan> libglvnd is prividing a package called libgl1
[11:58] <TJ-> right, and my script was supposed to find that. weird, met me re-look at it
[11:58] <diddledan> yeah I don't have it installed
[11:58] <diddledan> because if I install it then libgl1-mesa-glx is removed due to the conflict
[11:59] <diddledan> and when libgl1-mesa-glx is removed so too is ubuntu-dekstop
[11:59] <diddledan> and then we get a loop when I try to reinstall ubuntu-desktop^
[12:00] <diddledan> libgl1 from the libglvnd _source_ package is a _real_ .deb package not a "provides"
[12:01] <diddledan> libglvnd0 doesn't "provide" libgl1 at all https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5tn6767n/
[12:11] <TJ-> diddledan: arghhh
[12:11]  * diddledan goes bananas
[12:11] <diddledan> ;-p
[12:12] <diddledan> I think this system of mine is royally mucked-up :-p
[12:14] <diddledan> perhaps I can try purging the nvidia driver? (I don't know all the relevant packages so I'd need a hand)
[12:19] <diddledan> I _think_ I've removed nvidia fully. was a case of removing nvidia-driver-390 and autoremove thereafter
[12:19] <diddledan> but the conflict still remains on ubuntu-desktop^
[12:20] <diddledan> without the ^ works, though
[12:22] <diddledan> so something that isn't directly depended upon by the deb package but _is_ by the task
[12:30] <gpunk> my opengl accelaration is dead too
[12:30] <diddledan> progress. Got to a failsafe X session now
[12:31] <gpunk> i fixed by removing libglvnd0 , but it came back with an update, and i cant remove it now
[12:31] <gpunk> plasma depends on it and many kde apps
[12:35] <TJ-> diddledan: that needs reporting as a bug against libglvnd0, with a suggestion the debian/control needs a "Provides: libgl1" 
[12:36] <diddledan> the thing is it doesn't provide libgl1
[12:37] <diddledan> the source package builds a separate package CALLED libgl1
[12:37] <gpunk> and I have an intel videocard
[12:37] <diddledan> as in there literally is a package libgl1 not a virtual package
[12:39] <TJ-> diddledan: hmmm, do either declare conflicts on each other?
[12:39] <diddledan> see: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libglvnd/
[12:39] <diddledan> no
[12:39] <diddledan> and neither depend on each other either
[12:40] <TJ-> either way, report the bug and then the maintainers can sort it out
[12:41] <TJ-> do either package have a Replaces declared?
[12:41] <diddledan> no
[12:41] <diddledan> I lie
[12:41] <diddledan> on libgl1:
[12:41] <diddledan> Replaces: libglvnd0 (<< 0.2.999+git20170201-1)
[12:42] <diddledan> libglvnd0 is current above that number: Version: 0.2.999+git20170802-2
[12:45] <TJ-> check the changelog, then bug report it, looks like a simple change. The maintainer wasn't paying attention :)
[12:46] <diddledan> I don't know what or where the bug is though
[12:46] <diddledan> it's too all encompassing
[12:46] <diddledan> ogl doesn't work. nvidia drivers don't work. failsafe x without nvidia drivers
[12:48] <diddledan> .. conflicting packages with opengl-related stuff...
[12:50] <TJ-> the 1st bug is that 2 packages provide the same file (symlink) /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/scczPztDwT/
[12:58] <diddledan> ok, that one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglvnd/+bug/1752863 I don't know more than I've said so it's really not a helpful bug report IMO
[14:09] <Volkodav> looks like autoremove kicked out my i-386 libs
[14:09] <Volkodav> I get all kind of errors libGL.so.1 and such
[14:12] <diddledan> for reference, TJ- , my bug is a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglvnd/+bug/1751414
[14:13] <diddledan> looks like something gone wonky
[14:14] <TJ-> diddledan: 'wonky' is an understatement :)
[14:15] <diddledan> haha
[14:38] <scde> Hello, does someone here know when the users with 16.04 will be prompted to upgrade to 18.04?
[14:39] <scde> I think I recall that with 16.04 it was once the first fixes were available with 16.04.1
[14:41] <SwedeMike> 364
[14:41] <SwedeMike> oops
[15:00] <FurretUber> Hi, I've updated Xubuntu 18.04 and now GPU rendering is no longer working. The update was: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S7csQfNHT4/
[15:00] <FurretUber> Yes, this is the same thing from 3 or 4 days ago
[15:01] <FurretUber> Something now requires libegl1, and if I try to remove libegl1 it tries to remove update-manager, gnome-software, xubuntu-desktop and other packages
[15:13] <FurretUber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglvnd/+bug/1752901
[15:23] <TJ-> you're not the first one today bug \1751414
[15:23] <TJ-> you're not the first one today bug #1751414
[15:24] <diddledan> I suspect there'll be more :-)
[15:35] <FurretUber> On my case, I use Xorg. While it was avoidable it was tolerable, but now something important depends from that and it's marked as a supported package. I told about this problem here days ago, but couldn't reproduce properly, I was not sure if was libegl1 or libopengl0 or libglvnd0, libegl1 was not marked as supported and there is the libegl1-mesa package already supported
[15:38] <diddledan> "supported" on an unsupported distribution
[15:43] <FurretUber> But I believe libegl1 is supported (it has the check mark on synaptic: http://i.imgur.com/yonICV9.png )
[15:44] <nacc> FurretUber: TJ-: diddledan: it's because we're in the middle of a migration
[15:44] <nacc> bionic-proposed has the fixes
[15:44] <nacc> (the updated packages for all of the x stack
[15:45] <diddledan> yeah, nacc , I'm being patient :-) I've got other systems I can use while waiting for bionic. The main thing I was concerned about was helping get the right people the right information to assist
[15:47] <nacc> diddledan: ack, appreciate it
[15:47] <nacc> i think you're all looking at the right bug
[15:51] <FurretUber> I'm sorry for that messages, I was frustrated
[15:51] <Boyette> anyone who can help me with debugging my blackouts
[15:52] <nacc> FurretUber: totally undestandable :)
[15:52] <nacc> FurretUber: we're in a bit of a bind on 18.04 (like most releases) as stuff needs more love in Ubuntu than Debian (IMO) since we don't let tests just fail
[18:13] <donofrio> nacc, but midori failed I guess and was removed from 18.04 ;(  just replying to FurretUber conversation
[18:13] <nacc> donofrio: which conversation?
[18:14] <donofrio> from 10:40am something about "we don't let tests just fail" you said
[18:14] <donofrio> 10:52:59 
[18:15] <nacc> donofrio: it wasn't tests
[18:15] <nacc> the package *didn't build*
[18:15] <nacc> read the bug reports and the publishing history
[18:15]  * donofrio hanging head - understood
[18:17] <donofrio> nacc, got a handy link to history and the like?
[18:17] <nacc> i sent it earlier, donofrio 
[18:17] <donofrio> oh ok I'll go back and read
[18:17] <nacc> donofrio: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/midori/+publishinghistory
[18:18] <nacc> donofrio: looking at the deletion entry for artful, e.g.
[18:19] <donofrio> how do I sort by date in launchpad
[18:21] <nacc> donofrio: those are sorted by date the publishing event happened (in reverse)
[18:22] <donofrio> so because it didn't come back from power saving it's been removed...ok...intresting
[18:23] <nacc> donofrio: what?
[18:23] <nacc> donofrio: it got removed because it was removed in debian, failed to build from source, is ummaintained an dunsupported
[18:38] <donofrio> too cooll.....chromium works now
[18:38] <donofrio> in wsl 18.04 ;)
[18:38] <donofrio> no need for midori
[18:38] <donofrio> ;)
[18:38] <donofrio> it was failing all over itself in 17.04
[18:41] <donofrio> how do I disable this keyring jazz....never understood storing passwords, always seemed like a very bad idea
[18:56] <Boyette> hi
[18:56] <Boyette> i always get internet error
[18:56] <Boyette> 1752108
[19:03] <donofrio> Boyette, uh in what app/what were you doing?
[19:22] <FurretUber> Boyette: I tried to find this bug (#1752108) in Launchpad, but couldn't find it
[19:22] <FurretUber> I think it is private
[19:41] <Boyette> well
[19:41] <Boyette> it must be there
[19:41] <Boyette> i get auto report
[19:41] <Boyette> the bug is already known
[19:42] <Boyette> and reporrted
[19:42] <Boyette> always comes back
[19:47] <nacc> Boyette: if it's private, we can't see it
[19:48] <Faux> Back to the official nvidia driver, but now I have no glx. This is going super well.
[19:56] <vivid> i just updated some packages and rebooted and now ive got no function from my nvidia driver....anyone know a workaround?
[20:00] <Faux> \o/ welcome to my world.
[20:00] <Faux> What do you mean by "no function"?
[20:05] <FurretUber> Probably the problem is this one: #1751414
[20:05] <FurretUber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglvnd/+bug/1751414
[20:09] <vivid> i cant remove libegl1 the whole system depends on it....like 200 packages
[20:10] <vivid> 253 packages
[20:10] <FurretUber> This affects, at least, Intel Westmere and Skylake too. AMD Cedar is not affected.
[20:10] <vivid> how can i see if its wayland running currently
[20:10] <FurretUber> It could be removed before, after this last update it tries to remove a good portion of the system
[20:12] <FurretUber> You can use glxinfo -B to see if the GPU is being used. To see if Wayland is being used, I don't know
[20:12] <vivid> session is x11
[20:13] <vivid> aaaand nouveau un-sweet
[20:13] <vivid> id remove that but thats obviously not the problem, ill just have no display at all :p
[20:22] <Faux> I'm trying the "install glx from proposed", I'm happy with it removing half the system at this point.
[20:23] <vivid> i dont see why things are moved out of proposed when theyre not working
[20:23] <vivid> should be common sense
[20:23] <vivid> unreleased release or not
[20:23] <Faux> I guess the thing in charge of moving them out of proposed isn't aware of the dependency here.
[20:23] <Faux> That libegl can't migrate before other stuff migrates, 'cos it'll break everything.
[20:24] <vivid> apparently it just broke everything
[20:24] <vivid> because nouveau is not going to get the job done
[20:24] <Faux> I only upgraded to bionic the hope that a new kernel would fix my weird usb issues. I got what I deserved.
[20:25] <vivid> i upgraded because unity is dead and kde is still a mess
[20:25] <vivid> kde "stable" is actually worse than this
[20:25] <Faux> Installing from proposed has fixed my machine fwiw.
[20:26] <vivid> well it gives a graphical display but its just running open source drivers is why 
[20:26] <Faux> Unity is still supported for ages, that's a poor choice. :)
[20:26] <nacc> Faux: and i just saw everytrhing hsould migrate out of proposed soon
[20:26] <nacc> mesa etc.
[20:27] <Faux> Yeah. But I'm not updating for two weeks now. :)
[20:27] <Faux> Or rebooting, for that matter.
[20:27] <nacc> Faux: that's definitely not the right approach
[20:27] <vivid> its still breaking things though so perhaps migrating them should wait
[20:27]  * Faux launches Factorio.
[20:27] <nacc> this is the cost of running an unreleased thing
[20:27] <nacc> vivid: ?
[20:27] <nacc> vivid: the fix is to get the stuff out of proposed into the release
[20:27] <vivid> ok but its broken, those things from proposed are installed, my system is busted
[20:28] <nacc> vivid: what "things"?
[20:28] <nacc> vivid: sorry, i don't have enough context and am fighting my own fires right now :)
[20:28] <vivid> everything from proposed is installed here, broken graphics driver
[20:29] <nacc> well i wouldn't install *everything* from proposed
[20:29] <nacc> that's not what anyone said to do
[20:29] <nacc> there's stuff in proposed that is by definition broken
[20:29] <vivid> i didnt install anything from proposed to begin with, and it was broken
[20:30] <vivid> i installed the things people said to install, made a little progress, i can use nouveau
[20:48] <vivid> ok so everything back to working well again, problem was i also needed to manually update nvidia driver from proposed due to a name change nvidia-390 -> nvidia-driver-390