[02:27] <kenvandine> hey robert_ancell!
[02:29] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, hi!
[02:29] <robert_ancell> late night?
[02:30] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, just catching up with jamesh on some stuff
[02:30] <kenvandine> and decided to refresh my snap build of snapper :)
[07:08] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:18] <didrocks> good morning
[07:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:19] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:20] <oSoMoN> comment va?
[07:24] <flocculant> morning desktoppers - anyone know who'd be best to mention grub problems to - looks absolutely horrid - thought it was just me but I'm seeing other people complaining - here's a vid of what I'm seeing > here's hardware https://launchpadlibrarian.net/356178167/grub_menu.mp4 and changing options in a vm > https://launchpadlibrarian.net/357858777/grub.mp4
[07:24] <flocculant> thought the desktop people would be best first ask ;)
[07:24] <seb128> salut didrocks oSoMoN
[07:24] <oSoMoN> morning flocculant
[07:24] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:24] <seb128> hey flocculant, try on #ubuntu-devel to slangasek or maybe xnox
[07:24] <flocculant> seb128: thanks :)
[07:25] <seb128> oSoMoN, plus matinal aujourd'hui ? ;)
[07:25] <flocculant> morning oSoMoN :)
[07:25] <oSoMoN> seb128, pas le choix… :)
[07:25] <seb128> hehe :)
[07:30] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, seb128, flocculant
[07:31] <flocculant> hey didrocks :)
[08:03] <duflu> Morning (again) seb128, didrocks, oSoMoN, flocculant
[08:03] <flocculant> :)
[08:03] <seb128> duflu, hey again :)
[08:12] <duflu> seb128, should I move "blocked" (on review) cards into Review?
[08:12] <seb128> duflu, yes please
[08:57] <willcooke> morning all
[08:57] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:58] <duflu> Which is ironic if I'm speaking for all, because it's not morning
[08:58] <duflu> Maybe that's not irony
[08:58] <willcooke> :)
[08:58] <willcooke> I'll allow it
[08:58] <duflu> Partial credit
[09:03] <Laney> yop yop
[09:04] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney!
[09:05] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, happy post ff friday!
[09:05] <seb128> how are you doing?
[09:05] <seb128> was "feel like -19°C" here this night, brrrr
[09:11] <Laney> hey didrocks seb128
[09:12] <Laney> i'm alright *now*
[09:12] <Laney> had a fun time last night fixing the heating
[09:12] <Laney> stupid beast from the stupid east
[09:12] <seb128> urg
[09:13] <seb128> wrong time to be without a working heating system!
[09:13] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:18] <Laney> hey duflu
[09:18] <Laney> laptop just froze :(
[09:18] <seb128> :/
[09:19] <Laney> Data from the specified boot (-1) is not available: No data available
[09:19] <Laney> you what
[09:19] <seb128> no persistant journal?
[09:20] <Laney> it's on
[09:20] <Laney> just not there
[09:20] <seb128> *:(
[09:21] <Laney> good time to upgrade to bionic I guess
[09:22] <seb128> hehe
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, btw did you see that the new gst base depends on libgraphite which needs a MIR then?
[09:23] <seb128> sorry
[09:23] <seb128> graphene
[09:23] <Laney> no not yet, was waiting for c-m-proposed to tell me stuff
[09:23] <seb128> k
[09:25] <Laney> it doesn't though
[09:25] <Laney> why is that
[09:29] <Laney> that pkg could probably go to universe at least for now
[09:31] <seb128> I guess
[09:32] <seb128> let me demote it
[09:34] <Laney> thanks!
[09:34] <Laney> du_flu might want to have that re-promoted for accel stuff but we could do that another time
[09:35] <seb128> right
[09:37] <Laney> man, people are watching the archive closely
[09:37] <Laney> got a build failure on gst-good/armhf
[09:37] <Laney> already retried, waiting to build, so no log :-(
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/359139689/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-armhf.gst-plugins-good1.0_1.13.1-1ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:39] <Laney> the culprit is unmasked!
[09:39] <duflu> Laney, to be fair, accel is broken until Mesa 18 lands. If you can beat that then only Wayland users will notice if gst is broken
[09:39] <Laney> wait how did you get that?
[09:39] <seb128> Laney, :)
[09:39] <Laney> the one in the mail is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good1.0/1.13.1-1ubuntu1/+build/14411939/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-armhf.gst-plugins-good1.0_1.13.1-1ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:39] <seb128> Laney, I looked at it earlier and was in my firefox history
[09:40] <Laney> o
[09:40] <Laney> it kills the redirect thing but not the actual object
[09:40] <seb128>  /usr/include/GLES3/gl31.h:77:25: error: conflicting declaration ‘typedef khronos_ssize_t GLsizeiptr’
[09:40] <seb128>  typedef khronos_ssize_t GLsizeiptr;
[09:41] <duflu> Because GL is awesome and you can bring your own header
[09:42] <Laney> that's going to fail again
[09:42] <seb128> yeah
[09:43] <seb128> changing location, brb
[09:43] <Laney> I remember this though, can fix it
[09:49] <duflu> Crap
[09:49] <duflu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglvnd/+bug/1751414
[09:49] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1751414 in mesa-demos (Ubuntu) "[regression] Missing Wayland login option and missing GL acceleration, after installing libegl1" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:52] <duflu> willcooke, I am about to EOW but please see bug 1751414
[09:52] <ubot5`> bug 1751414 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[regression] Missing Wayland login option and missing GL acceleration, after installing libegl1" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751414
[09:52] <seb128> & back
[09:53] <duflu> Also seb128, please see bug 1751414
[09:54] <Nafallo> morning
[09:54] <seb128> duflu, it's weird, why a no change rebuild is hitting that bug?
[09:55] <seb128> duflu, but thanks for pointing it out
[09:55] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[09:55] <duflu> seb128, it's a dependency picked up at link time
[09:57] <willcooke> duflu, readomg
[09:57] <willcooke> reading
[09:57] <seb128> that's going to clear off itself with the update from proposed?
[09:57] <duflu> Hopefully, but I don't know which update... Mesa 18?
[09:57] <duflu> Maybe
[09:57] <seb128> right
[09:58] <willcooke> seb128, duflu - are you talking about that bug? "clear off itself"?
[09:58] <seb128> yes
[09:58] <duflu> willcooke, yes we suspect Mesa 18 might resolve it
[09:58] <duflu> Or hope
[09:59] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ do you know about those problems?
[09:59] <willcooke> t_jaalton & t_seliot were talking about something which sounds similar yesterday
[10:00] <seb128> duflu, anyway don't worry too much about it, it doesn't make our default session not usable so it's fine until we sort it out
[10:00] <tjaalton> seb128: something pulling in libegl1
[10:00] <tjaalton> like plasma-framework
[10:00] <duflu> seb128, it does make the default session almost unusable
[10:00] <seb128> duflu, what is pulling in libegl1 for you?
[10:00] <duflu> seb128, today's new mutter and mir
[10:00] <duflu> hours ago
[10:00] <seb128> tjaalton, ^
[10:01] <tjaalton> nothing I can do except maybe ask someone to badtest fpc so that glibc would migrate and unblock mesa
[10:01] <seb128> how did we end up in that situation?
[10:01] <tjaalton> beats me
[10:02] <tjaalton> the archive had an old libglvnd
[10:03] <seb128> tjaalton, new mir picked up mesa 18 from proposed
[10:03] <seb128> won a libegl1 depends
[10:03] <tjaalton> so these were built against libglvnd in proposed, and not having that version didn't block the migration to release
[10:03] <seb128> which I guess it's due to a mesa shlibs?
[10:03] <seb128> then migrated without it
[10:03] <seb128> if it was supposed to migrate together then the shlib should have a >= 18
[10:03] <seb128> or something
[10:04] <tjaalton> they don't depend on mesa
[10:04] <tjaalton> libegl1 is from libglvnd
[10:04] <tjaalton> but yes, didn't expect this to happen
[10:04] <seb128> same issue
[10:04] <seb128> they built against libglvnc 1
[10:04] <seb128> but migrated without it
[10:05] <seb128> so there is a depends that should have been versioned somewhere
[10:05] <seb128> I don't even understand why we have a libegl1 in bionic which doesn't work/screw things when installed
[10:05] <seb128> oh well
[10:05] <seb128> we need to move those transitions out of proposed now
[10:05] <seb128> that new stack has been quite complicated/problematic :/
[10:06] <tjaalton> bug 1714451
[10:06] <ubot5`> bug 1714451 in libglvnd (Ubuntu) "please remove libglvnd from the archive" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714451
[10:06] <tjaalton> that never happened
[10:06] <tjaalton> so I closed it
[10:07] <seb128> hum, k :/
[10:07] <seb128> how well, we are in that situation now
[10:07] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks for the info
[10:07] <seb128> duflu, willcooke, we can't do much out of waiting for glibc/mesa to migrate out of proposed
[10:07] <seb128> which hopefully happens today
[10:08] <duflu> And now I'm being criticised for not responding to a bug I wasn't subscribed to. Wonderful way to end the week
[10:08] <duflu> But I should end
[10:08] <duflu> (that's a libinput bug)
[10:08] <seb128> duflu, which one?
[10:08] <tjaalton> fpc tests would need to be reworked somehow, so I don't think just retrying these would help
[10:08] <seb128> ah
[10:08] <duflu> Night all
[10:09] <Nafallo> gnight duflu
[10:09] <seb128> duflu, have a good w.e!
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, do you think you could have a look to bug #1752803? I got too busy yesterday and didn't manage to upload the improvements from Marco before ff :/
[10:45] <ubot5`> bug 1752803 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "[ffe] use locate informations in the search provider" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752803
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, also bug #1752472
[10:45] <ubot5`> bug 1752472 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "[ffe] Implement an Ubuntu Single Sign-on Provider" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752472
[10:58] <Laney> fixing gst atm, will look in a bit
[11:00] <seb128> thx
[11:14]  * didrocks is running G-S 3.27.91
[11:15] <Laney> hax0r
[11:15] <seb128> it builds, ship it!
[11:15] <seb128> :p
[11:15] <didrocks> it even runs for at least 80s without crashing
[11:15] <didrocks> 81 now
[11:15] <didrocks> 82
[11:15] <didrocks> 83
[11:16] <didrocks>  ;)
[11:16] <didrocks> the new keyboard works after a limited tested
[11:16] <didrocks> my color choice could be better, but we can refine
[11:16]  * didrocks is going to fix 2 warnings due to ubuntu-dock
[11:21] <seb128> cool
[11:23] <didrocks> let's see how it goes, I'll run it for today a little bit more and we'll see next week when to upload (once the current transitions are done)
[11:24] <seb128> sounds good
[11:25] <seb128> the gnome-desktop transition cleared today so it's moving in the right direction
[11:25] <didrocks> nice!
[11:39] <willcooke> didrocks, if you're making changes to G-S, is it worth looking at this today as well?
[11:39] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1751484
[11:39] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1751484 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Captive portal browser/device misreported" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:40] <didrocks> willcooke: do you know what browser this is?
[11:40] <didrocks> I think the captive portal is a firefox session, correct?
[11:40] <willcooke> I just had a look, and I think we can "just" change a setting inside portal-help/main.js
[11:40] <didrocks> outside of G-S
[11:40]  * didrocks looks
[11:40] <willcooke> didrocks, no I think it's a webkitview
[11:40] <didrocks> ahhhh portal
[11:41] <willcooke> I /think/ inside PortalWindow, we need to get the settings of the webView and then use webkit_settings_set_user_agent ()
[11:41] <willcooke> I was looking at it just now
[11:42] <willcooke> I have an idea, but I'm struggling to understand how to get at the Settings via JS
[11:42] <willcooke> around line 147
[11:42] <didrocks> willcooke: I'm even usure how we can check the fix though
[11:42] <willcooke> didrocks, I've got a portal here (well, someone has) I can test
[11:42] <willcooke> and then I was going to use wireshark to sniff it
[11:43] <willcooke> actually, after 148
[11:45] <didrocks> willcooke: your issue is testing it, correct?
[11:45] <didrocks> like inspect the properties and settings of the js object dynamically?
[11:46] <Laney> I think in bionic it contains Ubuntu already
[11:47] <didrocks> ok, I tried to instantiate it in the current process via looking glass
[11:48] <didrocks> and creating the object locks up the Shell
[11:48] <jbicha> good morning
[11:48] <didrocks> hey jbicha
[11:50] <jbicha> webkit2gtk has a new useragent string thing but I haven't figured out the right syntax yet to get it actually working
[11:50] <jbicha> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-webkit/webkit.git/commit/?id=042abb234
[11:51] <jbicha> it's been on my to-do list to try different things until I get it to stick
[11:51] <Laney> ah it doesn't work?
[11:51] <jbicha> not sure if that's the same issue you're talking about or something different
[11:52] <Laney> that sounds like a good way to fix it
[11:52] <jbicha> I'm pretty sure that the Captive Portal doesn't identify itself as Safari, it could be some website "interpreting" user agents :(
[11:53] <jbicha> ok, I guess you can assign it to me and I'll try to figure it out this weekend
[11:54] <jbicha> didrocks: can you push your gnome-shell to the GNOME3 Staging PPA?
[11:55] <didrocks> jbicha: sure, let me finish testing a build with my rebased patch for g-c-c
[11:55] <didrocks> jbicha: btw, I think for g-c-c, you can push to master directly
[11:57] <didrocks> jbicha: done
[11:57] <willcooke> ARRRRRRGH
[11:57] <willcooke> sorry didrocks, back now
[11:57] <willcooke> Internet died
[11:58]  * willcooke reads logs
[11:58] <willcooke> logs aren't up to date yet
[11:58] <willcooke> ohh
[11:58] <willcooke> also #endmeeting
[11:58] <didrocks> :p
[11:58] <didrocks> jbicha: hum, g-c-c needs a newer meson apparently
[11:59] <jbicha> didrocks: grab it from bionic-proposed
[11:59] <didrocks> doing
[12:02] <willcooke> k, logs updated
[12:02] <willcooke> I'll sniff it on bionic now and report back
[12:03] <jbicha> didrocks: I just pushed a couple commits to our gnome-shell branch
[12:06] <didrocks> jbicha: argh, I as doing this as well
[12:06] <didrocks> ok, conflict now
[12:07] <didrocks> ok, was mostly the same change (for libnm)
[12:07] <didrocks> do you reupload a version to the ppa or should I?
[12:08] <didrocks> hum, you should version the nm dep for backports
[12:08] <didrocks> and the build-dep is missing
[12:08]  * didrocks fixes
[12:08] <didrocks> your version will still FTBFS
[12:08] <didrocks> (weird that libmn-* and glib ones don't dep on libnm-dev)
[12:21] <didrocks> jbicha: ok, my g-c-c sound patch rebase is working
[12:22] <didrocks> found another regression (maximize don't work), will add it to your bug if it's not already
[12:22] <didrocks> and pushing the changes to the master branch
[12:30] <jbicha> didrocks: Maximize works fine for me…
[12:30] <jbicha> I'm using Ambiance if that makes a difference
[12:36] <didrocks> jbicha: I'm using the daily image, adding g-c-c
[12:37] <didrocks> weird, but to be confirmed then, can be related to vm resolution
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, does it work on other csd softwares?
[12:38] <didrocks> seb128: It did with gedit for me
[12:38] <seb128> k
[12:38] <seb128> well, minor issue and easy to tests/look at later on if needed
[12:38] <didrocks> (which I started right away)
[12:38] <didrocks> yeah
[12:46] <willcooke> didrocks, jbicha - looks like I'm seeing this in Bionic:  User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.0 Safari/605.1.15\r\n
[12:48] <didrocks> seems like jbicha has investigated it a little bit. Sad that we can't instantiate the webview without crashing the Shell in the same process
[12:48] <didrocks> that would make the property to set way easier
[12:49] <willcooke> heh
[12:50] <willcooke> I'm also seeing conn-checker do the look up to connectivity-check.u.c
[12:50] <willcooke> and also one to nmcheck.gnome.org
[12:50] <didrocks> oh, interesting
[12:50] <jbicha> the Safari part is intentional; that's how webkit works
[12:50] <willcooke> I think that second one is probably what it does to actually get to the portal login page
[12:51] <jbicha> sort of like how Internet Explorer has Mozilla in its user agent :(
[12:51] <jbicha> what's missing is that it should also say Ubuntu
[12:51] <jbicha> (at least that's what Fedora is doing)
[12:51] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah, like the Firefox one... Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64) etc
[12:52] <jbicha> yes it will look sort of like that
[12:52] <didrocks> So, Fedora has a patch we can cherry-pick?
[12:52] <Laney> we have the patch
[12:52] <Laney> it's just not being instansiated properly
[12:52] <didrocks> (btw, I think we shouldn't hardcode ubuntu, but rather read /etc/os-release)
[12:53] <Laney> that's what jbicha said he was going to work on
[12:53] <jbicha> I think the Safari part is there because some web sites have quirks for webkit but they wrongly sniff for "Safari" :( so it's generally better for users to include Safari in the useragent
[12:53] <willcooke> I added some comments here:  https://trello.com/c/dxhWtGV6
[12:53] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah, I dont think we can move too far away from what is already there, random stuff would break
[12:53] <jbicha> mcatanzaro told me "I don't think you can pass the flag to CMake like that... it's a preprocessor define, not a CMake argument
[12:54] <jbicha> Try adding it to CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS instead. Or the CPPFLAGS envvar. (It's really only needed by the preprocessor, but there is no  CMAKE_CPPFLAGS.)"
[12:56] <jbicha> didrocks: I just pushed the avatar upgrade patches to our g-c-c bzr. I can upload this & g-shell to the Staging PPA now if you like?
[12:57] <didrocks> jbicha: I have already uploaded g-s to the staging PPA with latest changes
[12:57] <didrocks> but yeah, feel free to upload g-c-c :)
[12:57] <Laney> yeah, or adding an option in the patch would let you use -D in the cmake invocation
[12:59] <Laney> (with add_define or whatever it is)
[13:02] <jbicha> didrocks: done, the only other g-c-c issue for me is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/3 which is a pain
[13:03] <didrocks> yeah, I read it on your bug report…
[13:04] <jbicha> no reaction from GNOME yet, I guess I'll try again
[13:08] <seb128> jbicha, seems easy to do a g-i-t upload to exclude that icon
[13:08] <seb128> no?
[13:09] <jbicha> seb128: yeah, I guess that was basically my #2 (except GNOME Design may not want to do it upstream)
[13:10] <seb128> well, that would unblock us in Ubuntu easily
[13:10] <seb128> still worth resolving upstream, but meanwhile...
[13:28] <oSoMoN> seb128, jbicha: against which project shall I file that feature request to allow searching apps by their names in several languages? gnome-shell?
[13:28] <jbicha> yes
[13:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, just for the record, that 's something we discussed in the past and didn't agree was a good idea ... but doesn't hurt to see what upstream thinks
[13:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, or you would need a way to configure what languages you want to enable, not a common option/unsure what that would fit in the UI
[13:31] <oSoMoN> seb128, interesting, are there logs of those discussions?
[13:31] <oSoMoN> yeah, you would need a way to select which languages you're interested in I guess, that's not a trivial on/off switch
[13:32] <oSoMoN> or it could default to enabling search for all compiled locales
[13:33] <seb128> oSoMoN, if you enabled to search by english description by default then a french user who has no clue of english would get confuse about why his input returns things he had no idea exist
[13:33] <seb128> like you want to find you baguette and type "bag"
[13:33] <seb128> and your sac is listed
[13:33] <seb128> wth :p
[13:34] <kenvandine> we just need to default to french :)
[13:34] <kenvandine> problem solved
[13:34] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:34]  * didrocks updates the seeds
[13:34] <seb128> except oSoMoN tries to pretend he's not french :p
[13:34] <kenvandine> lol
[13:34] <seb128> hey kenvandine, happy friday!
[13:35] <jbicha> kenvandine: so they got to you too? :(
[13:35] <kenvandine> seb128, happy last day before sprint!
[13:35] <jbicha> lol
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine :)
[13:35] <kenvandine> time to cram
[13:36] <seb128> oSoMoN, I don't know, it has been a while and I know we discussed that a couple of time on IRC
[13:36]  * kenvandine just checked the currency conversion... if i want to get out $100 in cash when i get there, i need to 25493 florint
[13:37] <kenvandine> i remember going to the ATM the first time i went to budapest and was in shock at the minimum withdrawal :)
[13:37] <oSoMoN> I'm not pretending, I'm forgetting how to be French :)
[13:39] <oSoMoN> how much on average does a beer cost in florints is the important question I need to answer before Sunday
[13:44] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, it's been a while, but last time i was there i think it was less than $2
[13:44] <kenvandine> so maybe like 500 forint
[13:47] <mdeslaur> yeah, I remember less than $2 too
[16:09] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, got any luck to check that nautilus ffe? :)
[16:10] <Laney> I'm going to, don't worry.
[16:12] <kenvandine> seb128, https://gitlab.gnome.org/Ubuntu/gnome-software/merge_requests/1
[16:13] <kenvandine> seb128, could you please review?
[16:14] <seb128> kenvandine, is the string coming from m_pt?
[16:14] <kenvandine> seb128, yes, it's what he wanted me to change it to back when we SRU'd the classic snap installation fix
[16:14] <kenvandine> but it would have required translations
[16:15] <seb128> kenvandine, unsure what you are asking for. The code change is trivial, the string comes from design and I'm not an upstream g-s hacker so can't approve it for upstream commit
[16:15] <seb128> looks good to me
[16:15] <kenvandine> no... this is to our branch :)
[16:15] <kenvandine> the Ubuntu group
[16:16] <kenvandine> you should be able to approve it
[16:16] <kenvandine> if not, our setup is wrong :)
[16:16] <seb128> oh ok
[16:16] <seb128> btw I don't like the string much
[16:16] <kenvandine> :/
[16:16] <seb128> but if it comes from m_pt I'm not going to argue :p
[16:17] <kenvandine> :)
[16:17] <seb128> I'm just not sure that "home folder" speaks to non tech users
[16:17] <seb128> I would have said "your user directory" or something
[16:18] <Laney> your files
[16:18] <seb128> or that
[16:18] <seb128> mpt, do we use "home folder" in other places? is that a thing users are familiar with?
[16:22] <mpt> seb128, both Nautilus and the filepicker label it “Home”, with tooltip “Open your personal folder”, so … kinda?
[16:25] <mpt> And Ubuntu’s “How to back up” help topic says “…it is best to back up the entire Home folder”
[16:25] <seb128> mpt, ok, I'm using a locale that translate it in a way that makes it look less weird
[16:25] <seb128> I was just checking
[16:25] <seb128> wfm
[16:26] <mpt> Translations are allowed to be more elegant than the original. :-)
[16:30] <seb128> :)
[16:31] <mpt> Oh, I just read up … I’d forgotten about that string. This week I wrote something similar for a different context: “This app is unconfined. It can access all personal files and system resources.”
[16:33] <seb128> that sounds better to me
[16:33] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ wdyt?
[16:36] <jbicha> didrocks: can we upload gnome-shell to bionic now? my thinking is that I want to get it down before the evolution transition and I'm concerned about there being a beta freeze next week
[16:36] <didrocks> jbicha: I don't notice any issues on my end, but I would like a little bit of more battle testing
[16:37] <didrocks> so ideally, Monday morning, which enables us to fix any followup issues
[16:37] <didrocks> also, we need an approved FFe
[16:37] <jbicha> if I flip the order and there's any reason why evolution gets stuck (glibc not migrating yet looks most likely?) than gnome-shell will be stuck too
[16:38] <didrocks> I still don't think we should rush in, I'm really near EOW, it's been tested for only half a day, got 0 releases since 2.26 cycle…
[16:38] <didrocks> 3.26*
[16:38] <Laney> I'd file one FFe for all of 3.28
[16:39] <didrocks> jbicha: have you done that already? ^ It seems paperwork first in any case :)
[16:39] <jbicha> didrocks: it's been tested by other people before today ;)
[16:39] <didrocks> jbicha: with the bionic stack?
[16:39] <jbicha> didrocks: yes, it's been in the gnome3 staging ppa all week
[16:40] <didrocks> jbicha: ? I've redone a whole update, refreshed patches and so on because the VCS wasn't updated? :(
[16:40] <jbicha> didrocks: I'm sorry we duplicated work then :(
[16:41] <jbicha> I wish we were using git where it's easier to have separate branches
[16:41] <didrocks> so, you already ported all the patches and such?
[16:41] <jbicha> I wasn't happy that I created a bionic branch for NetworkManager than was named inaccurately for several months this cycle
[16:43] <didrocks> if someone is monitoring the transition over the week-end and be ready to fix any failthrough, that's fine by me (once the FFe is done and acked)
[16:43] <jbicha> didrocks: yes :( https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/+packages?field.name_filter=gnome-shell&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=bionic
[16:45] <didrocks> sounds like it was without the sound patch though
[16:46] <jbicha> yes and without updated theming
[16:46] <kenvandine> seb128, mpt that does sound better!
[16:46] <kenvandine> mpt, app or application?
[16:48] <mpt> I guess “application” while Gnome still uses that, but pretty sure people nowadays will understand either
[16:48] <didrocks> and no patch cleaned up with function()
[16:48] <kenvandine> mpt, agreed
[16:48]  * kenvandine changes :)
[16:52] <kenvandine> seb128, new MR up for review
[16:55] <jbicha> Laney: was LP: #1752928 sort of what you had in mind?
[16:55] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1752928 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[FFe] GNOME 3.28" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752928
[17:12] <Trevinho> kenvandine: hey, speaking of the gitlab ubuntu group, what's the outcome then?
[17:13] <Trevinho> as there was some discussion about not using groups from upstream
[17:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: (hey too! :)) was also part of that discussion iirc, right?
[17:13] <didrocks> Trevinho: I wasn't invited to the meeting
[17:14] <didrocks> so, unsure
[17:15] <Trevinho> ack
[17:20] <jbicha> didrocks: I did the function() clean up too, the good news is how similar our work was :|
[17:21] <didrocks> use the VCS luke ;)
[17:24] <kenvandine> Trevinho, basically everyone was supportive of us using it
[17:25] <Trevinho> ah ok
[17:25] <kenvandine> Trevinho, but they will likely reorganize groups at some point
[17:25] <Trevinho> so I can use for the extension too?
[17:25] <kenvandine> yes
[17:28] <didrocks> Trevinho: I pinged you on github btw, please answer the extension author :)
[17:28] <didrocks> (pinged you yesterday evening IIRC)
[17:29] <Trevinho> ah, ok... sorry but i've too many github notifications on these days, filtering them isn't the easiest thing
[17:48] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers!
[17:49] <willcooke> see ya seb128
[17:49] <seb128> willcooke, see you in budapest :)
[17:49] <willcooke> yay
[17:51] <jbicha> no irc desktop team meeting next week, right?
[17:56] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah most likely
[17:56] <Laney> bye seb128
[17:56] <Laney> safe trip
[17:57] <willcooke> jbicha, once the agenda becomes clearer I'll let you know, if you're around for some hangouts that might be useful for all of us
[17:57] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone, see ya in Hungary
[18:19] <Laney> safe travels dawgs
[18:30]  * willcooke EOW too
[18:30] <willcooke> night all