| xevious | nacc: It only completes if I start an nspawn container and then run `dpkg --configure -a` at the bash prompt launched in the container. | 00:05 |
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| xevious | nacc: If I directly run dpkg in the container (not manually from a shell inside the container), it doesn't complete. | 00:06 |
| xevious | I'll continue investigating it tomorrow. | 00:06 |
| nacc | xevious: strange | 00:09 |
| jbicha | bdmurray: could you push your changes to lp:software-properties ? | 00:49 |
| bdmurray | jbicha: yep, doing so | 00:50 |
| jbicha | slangasek: I'm updating software-properties-gtk & update-manager's dependency from libgtk2-perl to libggtk3-perl for debconf. Why is it only a recommends? | 01:06 |
| jbicha | slangasek: based on the test case from LP: #1679784, I'm going to bump it to Depends unless you object… | 01:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1679784 in software-properties (Ubuntu Yakkety) "Changing from Xorg video driver to NVIDIA driver using Software & Updates does not display debconf prompt" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1679784 | 01:23 |
| jbicha | apt gets in this neat inconsistent state while waiting for a debconf answer it will never get | 01:24 |
| jbicha | oh I guess it's only stuck until I close the app but still… | 01:24 |
| jbicha | slangasek: also please remove ubuntu-font-family-sources from bionic (replaced by fonts-ubuntu) | 01:28 |
| slangasek | jbicha: I don't recall a reason why libgtk2-perl is a Recommends instead of a Depends. It's possible it's because that's what the package relationship had been previously. But how does updating to libgtk3-perl work? Is there now a gtk3-based debconf frontend? | 02:20 |
| jbicha | slangasek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debconf/1.5.66 | 02:22 |
| jbicha | https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-debconf/debconf/commit/0250616b | 02:23 |
| slangasek | well, huzzah! | 02:27 |
| nacc | sigh, i'm pretty close to asking for a full on revert of the snapcraft SRU | 02:35 |
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| Unit193 | bdmurray: Hi. Regarding LP #1693032...This reeeally doesn't do jack for us on Xubuntu, nor any other flavor than gnome. Last year in May you talked with wxl and I about solutions for this in Xubuntu and Lubuntu, I had remarked about xfce4-session-logout (and I don't remember what Lubuntu had) whatever happened to less hardcoding to GNOME? :/ | 03:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1693032 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "missing dependency on gnome-session-bin" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1693032 | 03:26 |
| === maclin1 is now known as maclin | ||
| flocculant | slangasek xnox - seb128 said you've be the best people to mention this too - grub looking horrendous - bug 1748028 has a hardware video of what I see and also a vm - seeing this reported elsewhere by others too | 07:27 |
| ubottu | bug 1748028 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Flashing text at bottom of grub menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748028 | 07:27 |
| slangasek | flocculant: that looks like a duplicate of the other bug report that has just been tagged regression-update | 07:27 |
| flocculant | slangasek: aah - cool, I'll mark my old one as a dupe then | 07:29 |
| flocculant | didn't think about tagging it regression-update | 07:30 |
| rbasak | powersj, nacc: bug 1752215: the test needs updating (intentional in MySQL). Do we have a place to assign the bug? | 07:45 |
| ubottu | bug 1752215 in mysql-5.7 (Ubuntu) "Server - LAMP installation no longer asks for a mysql password" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752215 | 07:45 |
| seb128 | slangasek, btw we didn't "nack" net-cpp or url-dispatcher removels, just indicators ones (which are still using by the unity session which is now community maintained) | 08:13 |
| slangasek | seb128: well, they're dependencies of the indicators; how can we unpick this? | 08:14 |
| seb128 | slangasek, somebody needs to make the indicators not use them I guess? those depends are not useful under xorg/unity7 | 08:15 |
| seb128 | I guess "needs work" | 08:15 |
| seb128 | unsure how much that is though, but probably not something we can invest much into atm | 08:15 |
| slangasek | right, so who is that somebody :) if nobody does the work, the libs and their reverse-depends need to be removed | 08:15 |
| seb128 | there is a new group of people who picked up unity | 08:16 |
| seb128 | I guess talk to them | 08:16 |
| seb128 | and tell them you are going to delete their work now if they don't fix your problem :p | 08:16 |
| Unit193 | sforshee: Thanks for the patch on nvidia 304, I'll use it myself at least. :) | 08:17 |
| Unit193 | I don't suppose there's a hard push to get everything with openssl 1.1 for Bionic? | 08:17 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I'm going to have a look today to see if it's easy to drop the depends, if it's not I guess it's up to the unity team | 08:19 |
| slangasek | Unit193: as much as possible; we know there will be a couple of packages still in main using openssl 1.0 | 08:19 |
| Unit193 | openssh, right. | 08:20 |
| slangasek | seb128: ok, thanks. what's the best way to flag that to the unity team? other than just filing bug tasks | 08:20 |
| seb128 | slangasek, anyway, desktop team own that problem and isn't objecting to remove indicators if you think that's the right way to go | 08:20 |
| Unit193 | slangasek: Package in universe, it's pretty simple but wasn't sure if anyone would be interested. https://salsa.debian.org/takaki/gvpe/merge_requests/1 | 08:21 |
| seb128 | slangasek, they use https://community.ubuntu.com/c/desktop/ubuntu-unity-dev I think, otherwise jbicha knows who to ping in their team | 08:21 |
| seb128 | slangasek, sorry, "desktop team *doesn't* own that problem" | 08:21 |
| slangasek | seb128: well, it definitely needs to be fixed or removed soon for 18.04 because of the entanglement with curl | 08:22 |
| seb128 | k, well as far as I'm concerned you can remove indicators&unity, I just think it would be a shame and a bad step community wise | 08:22 |
| seb128 | anyway | 08:23 |
| seb128 | slangasek, let me have a look today to the indicators and ping the unity people and I let you know where we stand | 08:23 |
| slangasek | seb128: sounds good, thanks | 08:23 |
| seb128 | np! | 08:23 |
| TJ- | I'm hacking on update-manager (ubuntu-support-status). Is there a recommended way, possibly pythonic, to get the currently running package architecture, even where possibly it's a 32-bit install on a 64-bit kernel, e.g. without shelling out to do 'dpkg --print-architecture' ? | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | TJ-: I'd ask python-apt for it: import apt_pkg; apt_pkg.init(); apt_pkg.config['APT::Architecture'] | 10:18 |
| cjwatson | TJ-: (ubuntu-support-status already imports apt, which does the apt_pkg.init() bit implicitly, so you don't need that bit) | 10:19 |
| TJ- | cjwatson: Yes, thanks, I hadn't spotted that. Makes the job much easier | 10:21 |
| sladen | frozen planet. frozen bionic | 10:22 |
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| Unit193 | sarnold: Hello, looks like Irssi hasn't been patched for the latest CVEs, is this on your tracker? Would you be interested in reviewing and sponsoring the bugfix instead? | 11:45 |
| xnox | slangasek, demote them to -proposed, rather than remove? add block-proposed, let curl migrate, keep them uninstallable in -proposed? | 11:52 |
| xnox | Unit193, well, we are down to just 95 packages using openssl1.0, and I hope at least 4 more will get fixed up, so 91. Getting the number lower would be awesome. | 11:54 |
| xnox | smoser, rharper - check this out, resolvconf compat interface for systemd resolved => https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/8296/files | 11:55 |
| Unit193 | Last 3 patches above S-V bump in that merge would fix 1. openssl compatibilty. 2. Ftbfs. | 11:55 |
| Unit193 | (Trying to get it in Debian.) | 11:56 |
| smoser | coccinellication. thats a word ? | 13:06 |
| smoser | xnox: what "use resolvconf state in the initramfs and hope that it will be transfered into the root filesystem" ? | 13:09 |
| smoser | i'm not aware of anything. | 13:09 |
| xnox | smoser, there are some, maybe it's not popular anymore. | 13:10 |
| smoser | in fact bug 1714308 pretty well guarantees they didn't do it well | 13:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1714308 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Zesty) "dns does not work in initramfs after configure_networking" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714308 | 13:10 |
| xnox | smoser, huh? "they"? above is a pull request, which is yet to be merged upstream to provide a compatible /sbin/resolvconf -u | 13:11 |
| smoser | right | 13:11 |
| smoser | you said in that pull request that some things "use resolvconf state in the initramfs and hope that it will be transferred into the root filesystem" | 13:11 |
| smoser | and i dont know of anythings that do that. | 13:11 |
| smoser | nor do i think they would work | 13:12 |
| xnox | why not? | 13:12 |
| smoser | well maybe the "transfer" part might work | 13:12 |
| smoser | but dns didn't work in the initramfs until bionic | 13:12 |
| xnox | resolvconf parses input on the stdin, and then sanitises it, and dumps it to /run/resolvconf/interface/$IFACE as if. | 13:12 |
| smoser | so configuring resolvconf was clearly not on anyone's high priority | 13:12 |
| xnox | hehehe | 13:12 |
| xnox | smoser, but it does work in trusty/xenial? maybe nobody uses itermediate releases | 13:13 |
| smoser | no | 13:13 |
| smoser | to my knowledge we've never had working initramfs dns | 13:13 |
| smoser | not in "stock" | 13:13 |
| smoser | maybe trusty | 13:13 |
| alexarnaud | Hello all | 14:16 |
| alexarnaud | Can I forward a bugupstream on Launchdpad ? | 14:16 |
| alexarnaud | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1618723 is the result of https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/118#issuecomment-355697924 | 14:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1618723 in ubuntu-mate "Unable to connect to wifi with Orca" [Undecided,New] | 14:17 |
| alexarnaud | I would like to help on bugs related to accessibility. | 14:17 |
| alexarnaud | This bug has been fixed upstream, what is the process to mark it as resolved ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1618642 | 14:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1618642 in ubuntu-mate "Desktop launchers invisible to Orca" [Undecided,New] | 14:18 |
| alkisg | alexarnaud: this is mostly a channel for ubuntu developers, while for users questions it's #ubuntu-mate and #ubuntu... | 14:26 |
| alexarnaud | alkisg: It's not usage question, it's question about the bugtracker, is there a QA channel maybe? | 14:26 |
| alkisg | alexarnaud: try the channels I linked, I think you'll have better chances to get a responce | 14:27 |
| alkisg | bug management is part of user support offered there | 14:27 |
| alkisg | In general, you don't need to file each upstream bug to launchpad as well, | 14:28 |
| alkisg | and you'd only mark it as "fix released" once the release lands in the development version of ubuntu | 14:28 |
| alexarnaud | alkisg: It's already the case since 17.04 or 17.10. | 14:29 |
| alkisg | Nice, then you can just close it | 14:29 |
| alexarnaud | alkisg: thanks for your help | 14:29 |
| alkisg | You're welcome | 14:30 |
| xevious | This mysql-server issue is especially weird. | 14:56 |
| xevious | I'm running a few more tests before posting an update to the ticket. | 14:56 |
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| sunweaver | hi! | 15:14 |
| sunweaver | I would like to test ubuntu-desktop in a nested Xserver. | 15:15 |
| sunweaver | my setup... | 15:15 |
| sunweaver | a bionic-amd64 chroot with ubuntu-desktop meta package installed. | 15:15 |
| sunweaver | a nested Xserver launched with "nxagent -ac :1" | 15:15 |
| sunweaver | in the chroot, I do: export DISPLAY=:1 | 15:15 |
| sunweaver | GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE=ubuntu STARTUP="gnome-session --session=ubuntu" dbus-run-session /etc/X11/Xsession | 15:15 |
| sunweaver | with that, I get complaints, that the system-wide DBus instance is not running. | 15:16 |
| sunweaver | with other desktop envs, esp. on Debian, I can test a desktop from a chroot with that setup. | 15:16 |
| sunweaver | Any hint, how this can be done in Ubuntu? | 15:16 |
| rbasak | xevious: I commented on the bug. I'm not sure this is a bug in mysql-5.7 packaging though. What's the postinst doing wrong that breaks nspawn? | 15:18 |
| xevious | rbasak: It behaves differently depending on how you run it. | 15:19 |
| xevious | If you do the installation as a parameter of `systemd-nspawn` it'll fail. | 15:19 |
| xevious | If you log into the contain and run the installation from the bash prompt, it'll succeed. | 15:19 |
| xevious | Here's the REALLY weird thing I discovered a little while ago.. | 15:19 |
| xevious | If you do the `apt install` as a parameter of `systemd-nspawn`, but add `dpkg --configure -a` after the `apt` command, it succeeds. | 15:20 |
| rbasak | xevious: given what nspawn does, it seems more likely to either be by-design behaviour from nspawn, or a bug in nspawn, no? | 15:20 |
| xevious | This worked fine on mysql-server-5.7 5.7.20-1ubuntu1, though. | 15:21 |
| xevious | It only broke with the new mysql-server package. | 15:21 |
| xevious | rbasak: I'm about to post some more steps to reproduce. If you could try them out, I'd appreciate it. | 15:21 |
| xevious | The weird thing about adding `dpkg --configure -a` is that the `apt install` doesn't fail any more: it succeeds and `dpkg --configure -a` doesn't have to do anything. | 15:22 |
| xevious | Without that, it fails. | 15:23 |
| xevious | I've only tried adding `dpkg --configure -a`. Since it doesn't appear to actually be doing anything, I'm trying an arbitrary command (`ls`) to see what that does. | 15:23 |
| rbasak | xevious: as I (just) described in the bug, we've changed how the postinst starts the server internally for upgrade purposes. | 15:24 |
| rbasak | xevious: so I can understand that this might break some use case that's less tolerant of how the postinst does that. | 15:24 |
| rbasak | xevious: this doesn't necessarily make it a bug in mysql-server-5.7.postinst though, even if it is a regression in behaviour. | 15:25 |
| xevious | Please try the steps in the comment I just posted. | 15:25 |
| rbasak | xevious: why? Can you not try it yourself in a VM to verify the steps? | 15:26 |
| xevious | I have numerous times | 15:26 |
| xevious | I just posted a comment | 15:27 |
| xevious | New steps | 15:27 |
| rbasak | Can you find steps to reproduce that don't rely on nspawn? | 15:27 |
| rbasak | If it reproduces for you in a fresh VM with nspawn, I honestly don't see what I can add by confirming it. | 15:28 |
| * rbasak will be back later | 15:29 | |
| xevious | rbasak: I think I found a solution. Testing further... | 15:34 |
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| lool | xnox: hey! is there some email explaining the way the deputy systemd is supposed to work on 14.04? | 16:09 |
| lool | xnox: I have a 14.04 system (with snapd, which pulled deputy systemd) but the certbot cron thinks systemd is init and disables itself; however the systemd timer for certbot doesn't work with a weird error | 16:09 |
| lool | I'm trying to understand if certbot systemd timer is supposed to work or if I should change the cron to detect system-systemd-active-but-not-pid-1 | 16:10 |
| xnox | lool, i am happy to SRU "change the cron to detect system-systemd-active-but-not-pid-1" into trusty. | 16:14 |
| xnox | lool, please open a bug and subscribe me? | 16:14 |
| lool | xnox: if you mean change certbot, it's a PPA package – might also affect the released one if any | 16:15 |
| xnox | lool, basically, on trusty, one should assume pid1 is upstart; by hard-coding it; unless one is inside the snap, then assume pid1 is systemd. | 16:15 |
| lool | I'm happy to contact Ondrej@Debian to change the cron | 16:15 |
| xnox | lool, yeah, so if building/running on trusty, assume upstart-only, unfortunately. | 16:15 |
| * xnox checks calendar, *sigh* trusty is not dead yet | 16:16 | |
| lool | xnox: Ok; he's backporting the package with just a rebuild and no source changes ATM | 16:16 |
| lool | I'll try to suggest something smart to do | 16:16 |
| lool | perhaps check which init /proc/1 actually is | 16:16 |
| rbasak | lool, xnox: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2017-December/040100.html | 16:16 |
| rbasak | It'd be worth making a list of these I think. | 16:16 |
| rbasak | Basically it's fallout from the SRU regression. | 16:17 |
| lool | ah right, remember that thread now | 16:17 |
| * rbasak disappears again | 16:17 | |
| lool | rbasak: thanks! | 16:18 |
| lool | deputy systemd is a bit of an evil mode :-/ | 16:18 |
| lool | the jobs are all listed as failed etc | 16:18 |
| lool | anyway, will go back to Ondrej to update certbot packaging | 16:19 |
| xnox | lool, i recommending opening with "some trusty systems suffer from split personality disorder w.r.t. init system in charge, when snapd is also installed" | 16:20 |
| lool | Yep, exactly | 16:23 |
| xevious | rbasak: I found a solution (mentioned in the comment I just put on the ticket). Should I close it as "Invalid" or do you want to close it as "Won't fix"? | 17:17 |
| xevious | I figure "Invalid" applies. | 17:20 |
| xevious | It was effectively a support request, after I explored the issue further: I just needed to add an option to systemd-nspawn. | 17:21 |
| xevious | System UIDs and GIDs are carefully managed by a Debian or Ubuntu team, right? | 18:54 |
| xevious | E.G. the mysql UID and GID shouldn't have changed between mysql-server-5.7 5.7.20-1ubuntu1 and mysql-server-5.7 5.7.21-1ubuntu1, right? | 18:56 |
| xevious | Looks like the new mysql-sever-5.7 package decremented them by 1: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WC8WrnwwfC/ | 18:59 |
| alkisg | aren't those randomly selected on postinst? | 19:01 |
| mdeslaur | they're randomly assigned, yes | 19:01 |
| mdeslaur | xevious: there's no expectation that it wouldn't change in two different installs | 19:02 |
| xevious | I see. It's just 0-99 that are statically assigned. | 19:03 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak, bdmurray: For the sake of not letting the process stall, how is my Qt 5 Uploaders app? | 19:09 |
| rbasak | tsimonq2: I've not looked again yet, sorry. A bunch of Canonical people are sprinting next week, so it may not conclude until after that. | 19:15 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: ack, but it would be good to get responses from non-Canonical people then :) | 19:16 |
| cjwatson | xevious: 0-99 and 60000-64999 (see https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#uid-and-gid-classes) | 19:18 |
| xevious | cjwatson: Thanks! I also reviewed the Ubuntu Policy page about UIDs/GIDs. I'm surprised this hasn't gotten me sooner. | 19:18 |
| cjwatson | I'm the base-passwd maintainer, so I kind of have to know this ;-) | 19:19 |
| xevious | I'm adapting my imaging process to create the mysql user/group prior to installing it to ensure that it's always got the same UID/GID. | 19:19 |
| cjwatson | (>15 years now; I should probably look for a co-maintainer at some point) | 19:20 |
| xevious | Currently, mysql is refusing to start because all of the files in /var/lib/mysql are owned by epmd. | 19:20 |
| cjwatson | Right, if you're dropping in files created on another system then you often need to make sure IDs are synced up. | 19:20 |
| TJ- | Is the ubuntu-bugcontrol team no longer dealing with applications? I send a re-join message Nov 9th which I've had no reply to and checking the public archive don't see it, and don't see anything posted there since 22nd Jan. I've just re-sent my application and confirmed on my email server it was delivered (in case of an original delivery failure) | 21:11 |
| andersk | Can someone request a rebuild of openafs? It will work now that a flex regression has been fixed. (LP #1752388) | 23:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1752388 in openafs (Ubuntu) "Retry bionic build of openafs 1.8.0~pre5-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752388 | 23:03 |
| nacc | slangasek: trying to package a new lib and seeing the installed files end up in debian/tmp/usr/lib instead of debian/tmp/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -- what am i missing? | 23:58 |
| nacc | (it's using pkg-config) | 23:59 |
| slangasek | nacc: debhelper compat level? | 23:59 |
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