/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/03/03/#ubports.txt

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ubptgbot<trainailleur> What's the UTC time of tomorrow's Q&A?  I might be able to catch this one live, for once.00:39
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> 190000:43
ubptgbotSecretlyTaco was added by: SecretlyTaco01:44
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> hallo!01:44
ubptgbot<mariogrip> Welcome! :)01:44
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Having some trouble installing01:44
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/P1nMmI8f.png Seeing this, while the device is already in bootloader01:45
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, what device?01:45
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> nexus 501:45
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, what does the device say?01:45
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/1wPsYp8A.png01:46
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> brand new N5, just pulled it out the box today fwiw01:47
ubptgbot<mariogrip> Ah! the device is locked, this is normal with newer devices01:47
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @UniversalSuperBox, Thank you.01:47
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 697x520) https://irc.ubports.com/H0P2pQsv.png this the right thing?01:47
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, does the device say anything?01:48
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> aw it'll delete the photo i took of  the snow :(01:48
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> hold on01:48
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> lemme bluetooth that to myself01:48
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, so after this, On the phone a screen should pop up asking whether or not you would like to unlock the bootloader. Use the volume rockers to highlight "Yes" then press power to confirm the action.01:48
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> ya01:49
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I had a nexus 5 years ago but I broke it with magnets :l01:49
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/AZ9gCZdW.png01:50
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> got the photo :)01:50
ubptgbot<mariogrip> Nice :D01:50
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco, Thats snow, not magnets01:50
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @PhoenixLandPirate, this is the new N501:50
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> :p01:50
ubptgbot<mariogrip> it's -11 C here in norway01:50
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @SecretlyTaco, as a joke while i was filming my "snow unboxing", i threw the included headphones on the floor01:50
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> then  I forgot to pick them up as I left01:51
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> >:l01:51
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @mariogrip, after this just restart the installer, select phone and all should be fine01:51
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> coolio01:51
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> it's erasing01:51
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> dONE01:51
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, at least it got an earphone jack :P01:52
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> do I want 15.04 or 16.04?01:52
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I am new to the linux mobile world01:52
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco, Depends if you want a working phone or not01:52
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, I would say go with stable, if you want a stable phone01:52
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> i just pre ordered a galaxy s9 plus so it's really not important01:52
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> i literally boughtthis phone to make a snow unboxing video01:53
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco, Where do you get your money?01:53
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @PhoenixLandPirate, stabbing homeless people01:53
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco, Understandable01:53
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> installing 15.0401:53
ubptgbot<mariogrip> 16.04 still under heavy development, but it's getting pretty close!01:53
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, Its always been pretty01:54
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/A7YaiXrG.png UH???01:54
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/VqEApSPm.png01:54
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, humm that's wierd. Can you try running it with sudo?01:55
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, This01:55
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> its a mac so probably not01:55
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> uh01:55
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, There is sudo on mac :=01:55
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco, That was my thoughts01:55
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, [Edit] There is sudo on mac :=)01:55
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, But is it useful?01:55
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, there is, but applications are formatted weirdly01:55
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 697x520) https://irc.ubports.com/S9ncM69G.png UH01:56
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, that's adb, that error is fine01:56
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/WZ0dtdUf.png :D01:57
ubptgbot<mariogrip> YAY :D01:57
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> :)01:57
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/gehHH6lA.png yAY01:57
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> That was fast01:57
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/H2mc7A4H.png01:57
ubptgbot<mariogrip> So, did it work with sudo?01:57
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/DionbAx1.mp401:57
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/JB33DxlI.png01:57
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/lytE90pb.png hm01:58
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @mariogrip, ^ im just trying to see if there is a bug with mac and password promt01:59
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco, This is fine01:59
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/1oTpN7xD.png01:59
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Yumi looks nice01:59
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> it did say "device '(null)' not found"01:59
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> and then i pressed try again01:59
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> idk01:59
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 697x520) https://irc.ubports.com/ycUjncmr.png i got this02:00
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, oh! that's a wierd one. can you try restarting it?02:00
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> sure02:00
ubptgbot<mariogrip> I need to debug more on mac, I develop and test on linux so something things slip02:01
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/6PAuxYUu.png02:01
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> its in the ubports recovery mode02:01
ubptgbot<mariogrip> I just have a mac vm, and it's wierdly buggy02:01
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> seems to be pushing files fine now02:01
ubptgbot<mariogrip> yay :D02:01
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/Aqkaedoa.png02:02
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, welp, if you ever need a macbook tester02:02
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> i have too much free time it seems02:02
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/oTXwFKUk.png And also a pile of phones02:02
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/Zo5Y4uXr.png :D02:03
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, Nice! That would be awesome!! :D ping-ing @neothethird our Q/A expert to get in touch with you :)02:03
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> coolio02:03
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I got a 2014 macbook air on macos 10.12, and a 2017 touchbar macbook pro on macos 10.1302:03
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> phones i can test with a nexus 5/5x02:04
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, Nexus 5 is the only stable right now, but our lovley @UniversalSuperBox is doing great work on 5x :D02:05
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> :302:05
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> i cannot mobile development02:05
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> all my things are python02:05
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> also I wrote 3 lines of PHP once and now i want to die02:05
ubptgbot<mariogrip> print("python is coool also")02:05
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> stalk me if you must https://github.com/SecretlyTaco/fruit-songs02:06
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, I really feel you, we got out memes about php in this group :P02:06
ubptgbot<mariogrip> (Sticker, 507x512) https://irc.ubports.com/bR5VJ3PA.webp02:06
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco how rich are your homeless?02:06
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> how do i make the phone not say google as it boots02:06
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @PhoenixLandPirate, what why02:06
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Fwd from PhoenixLandPirate: Where do you get your money?02:07
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Fwd from SecretlyTaco: stabbing homeless people02:07
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/86qE9C5p.png YAY02:07
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gHON341r.png In case you're ever at my house02:08
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, haha :P02:09
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, I have a logo partition i made a while back02:09
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ZBI3kcAN.png Mwahaha02:09
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @SecretlyTaco, Where do you live?02:09
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, lol :P02:10
ubptgbot<vanyasem> hey @mariogrip02:10
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @PhoenixLandPirate, you're creepy02:10
ubptgbot<vanyasem> have you played with OnePlus 3 recently?02:10
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, Hey!02:10
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, Yeah! why?02:10
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, No u02:10
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, plz upstream your changes02:11
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @vanyasem, This02:11
ubptgbot<vanyasem> today i found out that the tree was almost intact and had to fix it myself :c i PRed some changes02:11
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, was no halium stuff, just arm64 builds for UBports02:11
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i mean oneplus 3 is broken and has almost no commits in it02:12
ubptgbot<mariogrip> might be02:12
ubptgbot<vanyasem> also, do you already know that the latest rootfs are broken on caf?02:12
ubptgbot<mariogrip> im a lazy bum sometimes02:12
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @vanyasem, htc 10 refuses to run on latest rootfs for me02:12
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> whats ubuntu one02:12
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, plzzz upstream02:12
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> and why do i need it for tg notifications02:12
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, yeah, @UniversalSuperBox has been bugging me02:12
ubptgbot<vanyasem> that's because i was bugging him :P02:12
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Also, I am typing this on my nexus 502:13
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, >sometimes … Always02:13
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, it's something we work on removing, it's stuck from the canonical days. it's used to notifacations so it knows where they they need to go02:13
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, I'm never losing this message02:13
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, oh no, what have i done02:13
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, Sad02:13
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @SecretlyTaco, i disagree with that02:13
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @PhoenixLandPirate02:13
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> This feels really laggy02:14
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Hmm02:14
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> English is a hard languahe02:14
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> [Edit] English is a hard language02:14
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, monster, how can you like php02:14
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Maybe because its a 4 year old phone02:14
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, please upstream your code or merge my pr for OP3 :P i have girls waiting in line, it's important for me02:14
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @vanyasem, the reason I made the issue today is because I wanted to make it known that we know about it. :)02:14
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, that's an inside joke for Phoenix02:14
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @vanyasem, This is now more then 102:14
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, true, vivid is slow compeard to 16.04. We are working super hard, but still a small team.02:14
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> But I have no idea what's going on with that build of mir that I borked... so I figure that I probably shouldn't try to go any further02:15
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, Good to know02:15
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, wait... i had to read that twice... how? I need your moves02:15
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, ,02:16
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, [Edit] ?02:16
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> He wants to know how you got girls waiting in line for a port of Ubuntu Touch02:17
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Does the browser support adblocking02:17
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @SecretlyTaco, There is an ad blocker in the OpenStore, actually02:17
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, made by me :) shameless promotion02:17
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @UniversalSuperBox, Whats it called?02:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> uh02:18
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, uadblock02:18
ubptgbot<technicalbird> @vanyasem, Is that your inspiration to Port a device?02:18
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, Thank02:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @technicalbird, Whatever gets the work done, I always say. :P02:18
ubptgbot<vanyasem> here @mariogrip https://github.com/Halium/android_device_oneplus_oneplus3/pull/102:18
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @technicalbird, yep. dancing in my bedroom.02:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Alright, that's far enough02:19
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @vanyasem, Gifs or didnt happen02:19
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @PhoenixLandPirate, you have already seen all the gifs and photos. tss02:19
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Hahaha02:19
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, well, you have come to the point where you dont need to port02:20
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, No02:20
ubptgbot<mariogrip> Ok, back on topic guys!02:20
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/bnqgRLIA.mp402:21
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem when did you get a op3?02:21
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i have a girl with a op302:21
ubptgbot<vanyasem> so she allowed me to play with it02:21
ubptgbot<vanyasem> on the weekends02:21
ubptgbot<vanyasem> so i built halium for it todayt02:21
ubptgbot<vanyasem> [Edit] so i built halium for it today02:21
ubptgbot<mariogrip> ah.... wait.... nevermind02:21
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, do i need to apply atomic patch for it?02:22
ubptgbot<vanyasem> to the kernel02:22
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Op3 and Op5 should be in the ubports installer app already02:22
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, for the armhf version yes02:22
ubptgbot<mariogrip> if you want to try arm64 then you dont02:22
ubptgbot<vanyasem> is it caf?02:22
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Atomic sounds dangerous, I like it02:22
ubptgbot<mariogrip> the atomic one is just for arm 32 compat mode02:23
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @vanyasem, i mean caf was broken for me on HTC 1002:23
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @vanyasem, no :(02:23
ubptgbot<mariogrip> damn caf! I hate it...02:23
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, good then, i can actually test something new02:23
ubptgbot<vanyasem> good as in good for me02:23
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/GJrF4bel.png My view as I head to sleep02:23
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox should we spin up the seperate caf02:23
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, yes02:24
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, something seems a bit off there... the n5 should not look like that02:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> But not if it gets in the way of OTA-402:24
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, we alredy got the infra, should be simplel02:24
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] we alredy got the infra, should be simple02:24
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @mariogrip, (from last time)02:24
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, Some people like their phones in landscape ">:(02:24
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, It fixes if I turn the screen off and on again02:25
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, can you try doing a reboot on that. seems like that might be why it's a little slow02:25
ubptgbot<mariogrip> since the buffer seems shifted02:25
ubptgbot<vanyasem> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/GPq0xLrA.png02:25
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, I tried to add arm64 builds to it for Mir02:25
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> https://github.com/ubports/mir/tree/xenial-7.1-caf-sudoku02:25
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> it didn't build02:25
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, Just did,isn't really any better02:25
ubptgbot<mariogrip> (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/m5yZwlbs.png02:26
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip, we have a winner here02:27
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> How do I screenshot02:27
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, humm, what version did you have before (of android)02:27
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, volum up and down02:27
ubptgbot<mariogrip> (at the same time)02:27
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, 4.4.3,brand new phone unboxed about 5 hours ago02:27
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, humm, you might need to flash 5.1 firmwares on it.02:28
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/uwA7D43r.png02:28
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, Weird02:28
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, Uhh02:28
ubptgbot<mariogrip> I'm really sorry about the bad first experience :(02:29
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> :(02:29
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, humm, it seems fine there. when does this wired thing happen?02:29
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @mariogrip, Just testing screenshots02:30
ubptgbot<mariogrip> Ok. I will try to see if i can recreate this issue you having and debug it02:31
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Its mostly the keyboard is making me want to die02:33
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, lol, you will get used to it02:34
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Maybe02:35
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I'm not planning to use this as my daily phone though02:36
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> yet :P02:36
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @SecretlyTaco, Hooray I'm not the only one02:40
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> Both the SFOS and UT keyboards just kinda blow imo02:40
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> I've been using SFOS (sorry!) as a daily driver for a week and it's almost easier just to bring a bluetooth keyboard around for typing >.>02:42
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @Lyokanthrope, I disagree, UTs keyboard is nice02:42
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Lyokanthrope, UT is not that bad :P try using outs for a daily driver02:43
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] UT is not that bad :P try using ours for a daily driver02:43
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @vanyasem, I can't stand it on the Nexus 502:43
ubptgbot<vanyasem> I used it for a week on N5 as a daily driver02:43
ubptgbot<vanyasem> it was nice02:43
ubptgbot<vanyasem> please Marius review my PR @mariogrip I need your help there02:43
ubptgbot<vanyasem> or send me a repo diff for that matter :P02:43
ubptgbot<mariogrip> done02:44
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, Nice02:44
ubptgbot<vanyasem> thanks ^^02:44
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @mariogrip, If I had any device that could run a remotely stable version of UT that didn't have a crap battery sure lol02:44
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> (Sticker, 512x433) https://irc.ubports.com/tyT9qW1N.webp02:44
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/5t58ZOD2.webp02:44
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Lyokanthrope, if you are used to android, it will be a gap. but it's pretty nice when you are used to it. it's like going from android to ios, you will hate the other for a while02:44
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/M97Tfr3C.png02:45
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Secure02:45
ubptgbot<Schyken> I think it just depends on KB taste tbh. Especially since there's many different KBs even on Android alone02:45
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> I'm kinda spoiled by the gesture typing on the AOSP keyboard02:45
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> (yes I know that uses a proprietary blob)02:45
ubptgbot<Schyken> @SecretlyTaco, Oh my gosh, the keys are huge02:45
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @SecretlyTaco, you didn't set a password... and it's read only filesystem02:46
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @mariogrip, it's linux! :P02:46
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Dalton do you like yumi?02:46
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> What is this Linux you speak of02:47
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> And if you try to debate whether to make it more or less secure, you'll find one opinion in this room from every part of the spectrum.02:47
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I bought a windows phone02:47
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @PhoenixLandPirate, Sure02:47
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> possibly unpopular opinion but I think UT would make a better tablet OS than phone OS ^^;02:47
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Have you ever wished for a pixelated yumi floating about?02:47
ubptgbot<Schyken> I like it as both :D02:47
ubptgbot<Schyken> I'm working on getting my tablet not to crash with the port I've been working on02:48
ubptgbot<Schyken> Every time I touch the screen, it crashes 😆 I think I know why though, and I should have paid more attention at the beginning02:48
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @PhoenixLandPirate, @UniversalSuperBox02:48
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @Lyokanthrope, Opinion's all your02:49
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> s02:50
ubptgbot<Schyken> .02:50
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @mariogrip https://github.com/Halium/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8996/pull/1 also this if that won't bother you02:50
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Lyokanthrope, I think tablets are a smaller market then sailfish phones.02:50
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> nah02:51
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> lots of people still buy ipads and cheap crappy android tablets (because nothing else exists)02:51
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @Lyokanthrope, there are crappy Microsoft Surfaces, too02:52
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i used to have one02:52
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> I have one now and I use it daily lol02:53
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i am sorry for you02:53
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> Works for me *shrug*02:53
ubptgbot<Schyken> @Lyokanthrope, Tbh, I kinda like the midrange Android tablets for the most part. It's very handy for me. I carry my three primary devices with me everywhere, and do different things with them depending on the place and task. It's been nice :D02:53
ubptgbot<vanyasem> get that windows users!02:53
ubptgbot<Schyken> @Schyken, I use the tablet less than the phone or the laptop though, which is why I've chosen it to start porting first, because I have a tendency to bork stuff02:54
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @Schyken, Yeah I usually have the Surface and my phone (currently an Xperia X w/ SF X but will probably go back to the Essential next week) on me02:54
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Im gonna pretend @UniversalSuperBox said yes02:54
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyT_wm_Fssk02:54
ubptgbot<Schyken> @Lyokanthrope, Essential phones make me super happy... I just love those things.02:54
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> The thinkpad usually stays at home unless I'm going to be somewhere else for more than a few hours02:54
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @Schyken, It's really not a bad device a tall.02:55
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @Schyken, [Edit] It's really not a bad device at all.02:55
ubptgbot<Schyken> I like the weight, and the camera is pretty good, which is a couple things that definitely lean me towards a device02:58
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> @Schyken, The camera has gotten a ton better lately02:58
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I want to say @ubports_ot02:58
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> actually I did02:58
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> :)02:58
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> well the discussion was originally my feelings about UT as a phone OS *shrug*02:59
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I know02:59
ubptgbot<Schyken> I guess that's enough for me tonight. 👋02:59
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> aw02:59
ubptgbot<dohbee> uhhhh03:03
ubptgbot<Catbirby> I never realised there was a fancy installer for UBports. Maybe that'll make my nexus run utouch with the store. Lol03:46
ubptgbot<neothethird> @SecretlyTaco, i heard testing09:07
ubptgbot<neothethird> @SecretlyTaco, can i interest you in joining the @ubports_qa_team?09:07
ubptgbot<Greg> Heu does anyone know a video player with subtitle support that runs on touch?09:55
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I don't think UTmedia does that but I am guessing it could be modified10:06
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @nfsprodriver10:07
ubptgbot<nfsprodriver> UTmedia is just a webplayer using mediaelement.10:08
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Does that rule out subtitle incorporation?10:13
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I am asking out of total ignorance 😃10:14
ubptgbot<Greg> Yeah I tried UTmedia but couldn't find anything immediate to do with subtitling10:15
opendatastarted poring android to the mainline kernel with my z2 tablet si i can bootubports10:23
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Great, opendata. There is now a discussion place in Telegram for that10:26
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It's bridged to #ubports-porting10:38
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Wow. Early riser Dalton10:46
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> My phone decided that 4AM was the best time to start playing a podcast10:47
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Can't wait to finally have a UT phone that I can use in the US.10:48
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Dalton, you don't have a N5 or OpO?10:59
ubptgbot<trainailleur> [Edit] Dalton, you don't have an N5 or OpO to run UT?10:59
ubptgbot<vanyasem> dalton, can you help me debug my stuff?11:01
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i gathered all the logs i could11:04
ubptgbot<vanyasem> and uploaded them11:04
ubptgbotjpanighets was added by: jpanighets11:24
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> How do I update to 16.0411:43
ubptgbotRoccoOPO was added by: RoccoOPO11:48
ubptgbot<advocatux> Hello Giorgio & RoccoOPO. This is the best place to get you started https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome11:55
ubptgbot<advocatux> @SecretlyTaco, You should read https://ubports.com/community/faq12:01
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I should12:03
ubptgbot<RoccoOPO> @advocatux, I come back. Hi all12:10
ubptgbot<advocatux> Hellooo welcome back!12:11
ubptgbot<RoccoOPO> Thanks 👍👍👍12:32
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @RoccoOPO, why did you leave? ;)13:03
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Greg, what bout VLC player for UT?  I have a weird memory of someone working on that.. but maybe that was 'convergence' talk...13:04
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Seumas got it working in Libertine I think13:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> yeaaaah... nice.  i like VLC and that might be a nice way to make UT do all things media one day...13:06
ubptgbot<dohbee> What's wrong with media player?13:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> it doesn't work on N513:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> (video playback)13:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> UT media does though...13:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> hit me rodney! one time13:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> ready for it! :)13:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> Oh, so instead of figuring out what's wrong, you just want to not use it13:22
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> BOOM!13:22
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> there it is!13:22
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/VizWm980.mp413:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> Fix the bugs13:22
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> i agree by the way13:22
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> but doesn't VLC work on everything all the time?13:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> No13:23
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> fine.  well. .. be that way13:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> Remove the legally questionable bits and see how much works13:24
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> there are legally questionable bits in VLC?  hmm  was not aware.  I just found it always worked for me when other things had bugs13:24
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> i'm also thinking convergence days too.13:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> We have a thing that uses hw decode for a reason. And the hardware is there, so let's use it13:28
ubptgbot<advocatux> @dohbee, That's a well known bug https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/7 and it seems hard to fix13:36
ubptgbot<advocatux> Marius said `The reason this is happening is a blob mismatch since we are using caf graphics drivers since the aosp ones makes some horrible vsync issues, this seems to have caused the decoder to have a color mismatch (or pixel format). So in simple words this is extremely hard. there is two options to fix this, make the aosp blob13:37
ubptgbots work without vsync issue (mir changes) or make the color for decoder match the caf graphics drivers`13:37
ubptgbot<dohbee> caf on n5?!13:39
ubptgbot<advocatux> @mariogrip should answer you that13:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> And what vsync issues with aosp?13:40
ubptgbot<Greg> Yeah I did remember seeing someone with VLC working14:03
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> MPV?14:26
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> VLC doesnt work because of the lack of hardware acceleration15:28
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> @KrisJacewicz was trying to get VLC working a few months ago15:28
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> @malditobastardo, "Works" but video playing is laggy for this reason15:30
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> "works"15:30
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> The vivid XMir version on armhf has this problem15:30
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> so Xenial should fix that?15:31
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> On Xenial we should have native Qt/SDL2/(Gtkish) support, Wayland support so it shold be less an issue15:33
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> I don't know if this problem has been fixed thought15:34
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> Maybe Alan knows... or you can ask on the Q&A15:35
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> awesome, thank you15:35
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> Yeah15:35
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> My main concern right now is uMatriks tbh15:35
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> 😹15:35
ubptgbot<TronFortyTwo> np15:36
ubptgbot<zoomer296> @jonny, Heh, UBports has better mascot stickers than Android.16:14
ubptgbot<zoomer296> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/07X1zVCZ.webp16:15
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> What happened to the KDE mobile thing16:16
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It's still around, https://www.plasma-mobile.org/16:17
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Does telegram work on it16:17
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Thats pretty much my only requirement for a mobile OS16:17
ubptgbot<advocatux> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/V0sXUtHl.mp416:18
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/AsNCneMA.png16:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yeah, GIFs don't work so well all the time16:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> Even if VLC works better with xwayland (likely won't) it's not a solution to the issue16:20
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I don't have a sim card in so I cannot test the phone things16:21
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Rip16:21
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Also,why does it say 0 members16:21
ubptgbot<advocatux> This Telegram client is not in the best shape but it's very difficult to improve it now16:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> WebTelegram is the Telegram webapp. It's not as native, but it supports all the features.16:27
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Pick your poison. :D16:27
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> Poison isn't good16:44
ubptgbot<Hobbit_1> HIn, Thanks for your kind words 😊 this looks like one best seen in a while , think going to be my next 50x  … https://www.coinpayments.net/index.php?ref=51e8240d553a4bf38749a0377dded9ae16:55
ubptgbot<Tedster> @PhoenixLandPirate, It's all about the dose16:55
ubptgbot<arpitjindal1997> When will the development for samsung devices start ?17:58
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ubptgbotJoyoriginal was added by: Joyoriginal18:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> When someone gets a device and starts working on it. Someone had an S7 port in the works.18:20
ubptgbot<Schyken> @arpitjindal1997, What kind of Samsung device?18:23
ubptgbot<arpitjindal1997> I have Samsung J7 2015 (j7eltexx)18:24
ubptgbot<Joyoriginal> Can I install UT on my Nokia 6 ??18:24
ubptgbot<NotKit> no18:24
ubptgbot<NotKit> @Joyoriginal, it has locked bootloader, no kernel sources and no port done for it18:24
ubptgbot<Joyoriginal> (Sticker, 512x252) https://irc.ubports.com/i5KIe1hM.webp18:25
ubptgbot<Joyoriginal> But i have seen some post on XDA forum about unlocking bootloader for Nokia 6 … . 😕😕😕18:26
ubptgbot<NotKit> then two later points remain :)18:26
ubptgbot<Joyoriginal> This device is running with Android One project !!18:27
ubptgbot<NotKit> But UBports is not Android. We need to recompile kernel with different options, this is not possible if vendor breaks GPL and doesn't release kernel source.18:28
ubptgbot<Joyoriginal> Ohhh.. I got it.. BTW tnx..18:29
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> once yumi is ready she should contact nokia 😼18:29
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> or is yumi a he 🤔18:30
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Or either or both18:30
ubptgbot<Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, Actually its a telegram API thing. Any help welcome ;)18:33
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Do we still need a vidme app in the store now that vidme has been shut down lmao18:46
ubptgbot<advocatux> The developer needs to unpublished the vidme webapp, that's all18:49
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Uh18:53
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/IT47ZGc0.png18:53
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Please don't18:53
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Yeah I figured Ubuntu touch is required18:53
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Uhm18:54
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> How to remove googles pls to thx18:54
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I don't really understand why... it's about a 300kB package and it'll never contact anyone unless you select it18:55
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Also if you make your rootfs writable to uninstall it, future updates will come through as full images rather than small diffs18:56
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> And overwrite your changes18:56
ubptgbot<Flohack> If someone can remove it then its us 😆18:56
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> I just don't trust the googles enough,I guess18:56
ubptgbot<Flohack> But I think some people need it18:56
ubptgbot<dohbee> Then don't add the login in accounts18:58
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> For german users of "Beru"-app : gutenberg.org closes access for german users because copyright18:59
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/r895UYtu.png18:59
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/g8fW19a0.png18:59
ubptgbot<mariogrip> Fwd from UBports News Channel: We are LIVE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIkoXvGCiA19:01
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @UniversalSuperBox FORTNIGHTLY, not the ambiguous biweekly :P19:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh these aren't biweekly?19:02
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Americans need to adopt the concept of fortnights :) I can say that as a half Murican.19:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> time doesn't exist, so fortnights exist everywhere19:03
ubptgbot<technicalbird> I hate you @Flohack ..19:04
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> That's okay, we do too. :P19:04
ubptgbot<Flohack> @technicalbird, 😆 too hot and noisy isnt it :)19:05
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @TartanSpartan, It's a perfectly cromulent word in Americanese.19:05
ubptgbot<NotKit> so how usable is xenial if I want to work hard on Gemini PDA port?19:06
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Thank you @Flohack for the MTP fix!19:06
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Q: granted that the automated counting is broken, how many active users of Stable do you think we have?19:08
ubptgbot<NotKit> [Edit] Q: so how usable is xenial if I want to work hard on Gemini PDA port?19:08
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Q2: Given U8 work is well underway for Bionic, is the plan to sprint to Bionic after Xenial is stable, or flesh out Xenial, or both?19:09
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Everyone knows 404 I hope.  Unless they've been on the internet less than a week.19:09
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Heh.  Just realized I should have put questions into the forum.   😊19:11
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Is printer integration on devel 16.04 causing the font on Facebook and other webapps to bork? I originally noticed this when I tried to install CUPS on Libertine, arale, 15.04, and this was tracked as a bug.19:15
ubptgbot<Flohack> @TartanSpartan, TBH no idea :)19:18
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> It is for me :) perhaps Mr. Durst knows? Is this a device-agnostic bug?19:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, that seems unlikely19:19
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> Q: When will we see openstore on x86?19:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh i thought they were doing fibonacci branding19:21
ubptgbot<trainailleur> 1+4 = 5, surely.  😄19:21
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> Q2: and x86 clicks?19:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato, It's only necessary to rebuild for things that are compiled. Pure qml or html5 or webapps don't need different clicks19:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> clicks already work on x8619:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> but probably not on 18.0419:22
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> What I mean is  both versions x86 and arm in all clicks inside openstore19:23
ubptgbot<trainailleur> I thought "everyone's favorite" was going to be about a RedMi 4 port, since I see that question scores of times a week on Telegram.19:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> scopes as a pluggable search back-end sort of thing is pretty great. all the current scopes UI is awful though19:23
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> [Edit] What I mean is  both versions x86 and arm in all apps inside openstore19:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato, it just requires devs to build fat clicks19:24
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> Is there any reason why click manifests don't just support arch "any", but only a hack to make them build for multiple architectures?19:24
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> @dohbee, We need to make them know we want it :)19:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't know if the server supports multiple click files for the same version. it doesn't really in the old store iirc19:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato, it's a pain, for basically no beneift19:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> especially since they won't work on 18.0419:25
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> @dohbee, it's not good for compatibility19:27
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Is Marius saying there will be Trouble with Trebles?19:28
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @Flohack is not amused :P19:29
ubptgbot<Flohack> :) I am fiiine19:29
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Just don't feed them grain.19:29
ubptgbot<Flohack> Just the light here is bad19:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato, tell it to the packagekit devs19:29
ubptgbot<trainailleur> The pun was aweseom @mariogrip .  Sophisticated minds like yours and mind can appreciate things like this.  😂19:30
ubptgbot<trainailleur> [Edit] The pun was awesome @mariogrip .  Sophisticated minds like yours and mind can appreciate things like this.  😂19:30
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> x86 tablet will be useless whitout apps19:30
ubptgbot<dohbee> there are no supported x86 tableets19:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> and there are plenty of apps still19:31
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> [Edit] x86 tablet will be useless whitout a store with convergent apps19:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> i've installed several clicks in a vm of 16.04 with unity819:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> they work19:32
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> @dohbee, nice19:32
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @trainailleur, haha :D19:33
ubptgbot<trainailleur> [Edit] The pun was awesome @mariogrip .  Sophisticated minds like yours and mine can appreciate things like this.  😂19:34
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> http://www.tomshardware.fr/articles/console-smach-z-cpu-amd,1-66855.html Unity 8 on this device would be awesome.19:36
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> sorry english version19:37
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-embedded-smach-z-handheld-gaming-pc,36609.html19:37
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Thanks for the answer regarding stats.  I'm not yet included in the Telegram stats because I'm still using telegram on Android and desktop.  I need to rectify that.19:38
ubptgbot<samitormanen> @Flohack how many telegram users online? i missed that one totally..19:39
ubptgbot<Flohack> @trainailleur, ok +1 ;)19:39
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @samitormanen, 750 +-19:40
ubptgbot<LarreaMikel> QUESTION: The push server only works for telegram, or are the an other apps using it?19:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ismaelbonato, eh. unity8 is not really a good ui for a game console19:40
ubptgbot<Flohack> @samitormanen, Stats averages right now: … 5 mins  |        726 … 60 mins |        729 … 1 day   |        656 … 7 days  |        63419:40
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> My main question tonight harks back to one of mine a few shows (or fortnights) ago. I'm still craving some form of changelog on the devel Xenial images. Right now it feels like the user has to feel around in the dark for any kind of change. Often it feels like there are no tangible changes, but I know you guys as professional19:40
ubptgbotdevelopers are doing stuff even if in the backend. Still, we'd love to know what these changes are. Would be awesome for terminal, OpenStore, Libertine etc. So, can you find any kind of way to elucidate these for the user? Automated .txt generating maybe? We aren't going to have to wait until stable Xenial for tangible changelogs, are we?19:40
ubptgbot<samitormanen> ok. thanks Flo! 🤘19:41
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> I signed up for ubuntu one just for you, Flo. :)19:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, There's no great process for how changes land into the core stack or any apps, so generating useful changelogs is going to be very difficult.19:44
ubptgbot<Ismaelbonato> @dohbee, not for gaming but for web browsing and gps apps etc...19:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> Ken you can run the unity8 stack on rpi if you want, same as on x86, but the full touch system doesn't make sense there i don't think19:44
ubptgbot<ebetonro> @dohbee, It does if you use a touch display ;)19:45
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> But, it shouldn't just be a ghost situation, rightly. Or for only Yaweh himself to know what goes into those deltas. It feels like a changelog would make the slow but steady journey to stability feel more reassuring, especially for impatient people (I'm a reasonably patient person).19:46
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @LarreaMikel, The only other i know of is caxton19:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> @ebetonro, The GUI is the same, either way. I meant the "ubuntu-touch" meta-package is heavily dependent on android HAL19:47
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1280x385) https://irc.ubports.com/Wn5LQ10l.png This guys name is long enough to go off the screen19:47
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Thanks for taking that Bionic question up.  :-)19:47
ubptgbot<ebetonro> @dohbee, Sorry I didn't understod that ... I agree with you if you put it that way19:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> @SecretlyTaco, Well you know how the Dutch are with their names19:48
ubptgbot<LarreaMikel> @DanChapman, Maybe gmail ??19:48
ubptgbot<trainailleur> And @mariogrip , systemd was something I was very interested in hearing about in this context.  Thanks for the info!19:48
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @LarreaMikel, nope that's an accounts-polld plugin and does it all on device19:48
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> (Photo, 1280x407) https://irc.ubports.com/XATszFJG.png19:49
ubptgbot<LarreaMikel> @DanChapman, Oh, ok. Thanks!19:49
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> @SecretlyTaco, Android does this19:49
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @LarreaMikel, 👍19:49
ubptgbot<dohbee> @SecretlyTaco, report a bug?19:50
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> How about a marathon as opposed to a sprint :)19:50
ubptgbot<LarreaMikel> @DanChapman and dekko2 uses also accounts-polld plugin?19:51
ubptgbot<dohbee> @mariogrip just say "18.04" always19:52
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Very comprehensive info on Xenial/Bionic.  Really appreciate your going into this depth.19:52
ubptgbot<ebetonro> @dohbee, +1 that will work best :D19:53
ubptgbot<dohbee> codenames are supposed to only be used until the thing is released anyway, and then the numbered version is what it is19:53
ubptgbot<trainailleur> If Unity 8 is spreading out beyond Ubuntu, should the project be renamed Unity Touch?  😄19:53
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Hahaha excellent "tradecraft" @mariogrip19:53
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> @trainailleur no UBports is much more than Unity19:54
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack Unity 7 is still in the ubuntu archives19:54
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> even if Unity is important19:54
ubptgbot<NotKit> not sure if I missed it19:54
ubptgbot<NotKit> Fwd from NotKit: Q: so how usable is xenial if I want to work hard on Gemini PDA port?19:54
ubptgbot<Flohack> @dohbee, Just fooling around with that ;) - and yes19:55
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> @dohbee and there're people working on an Unity 7 flavour19:55
ubptgbot<dohbee> there will be lots of compatibility issues between u7 and u8 stacks, if people are going to maintain u7 too19:55
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @DiogoConstantino, Yes, it was a joke.  Sorry.19:55
ubptgbot<NotKit> @UniversalSuperBox you're wrong, sorry19:56
ubptgbot<NotKit> and it's MediaTek19:56
ubptgbot<NotKit> so like Ubuntu Tablet in theory19:56
ubptgbot<dohbee> @mariogrip you will hate trying to make ubuntu touch work on a mainline kernel device :)19:57
ubptgbot<ebetonro> @flo and it will be the next supported device :D19:57
ubptgbot<NotKit> you have porting group?19:57
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @UniversalSuperBox just a little bump for my question in case it escaped your notice.19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> what about nextcloud/carddav contact sync?19:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> Q: Does android support any mainline kernel devices?19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> what about nextcloud/carddav contact sync?19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> what about nextcloud/carddav contact sync?19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> :)19:58
ubptgbotjizvash was added by: jizvash19:58
ubptgbot<ebetonro> hat about nextcloud/carddav contact sync?19:58
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> When can I expect to use 16.04 on my Nexus 5 as a daily driver?19:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> no spams19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> thanks!!!19:58
ubptgbot<ebetonro> no spam19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> you rock!19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> :P19:58
ubptgbot<ebetonro> we need this19:58
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> CHANGELOGS ON DEVEL XENIAL????//19:58
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> you already have calendars...19:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, That was already answered last week or last time it was asked anyway19:59
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @LarreaMikel, No it has it's own tiny service that listens on dekkod's socket for new mail and sends the notifications off to the postal service.19:59
ubptgbot<ebetonro> I already use caldav calendar19:59
ubptgbot<ebetonro> :D19:59
ubptgbot<trainailleur> 1 more question:19:59
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> Grandfather Clock19:59
ubptgbot<peternerlich> Hi @jizvash We are currently live: youtu.be/JLIkoXvGCiA19:59
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Dalton said he did not have device to run UBP.19:59
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Did I understand correctly?19:59
ubptgbot<trainailleur> If so, I can ship you a Nexus 5.19:59
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I've got one on the way. :)19:59
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> ...and the wheels fell off.19:59
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> a) Tongue-in-cheek b) I would like more elaboration and IIRC @Flohack wasn't on that show so would be interesting to get his take.19:59
ubptgbot<peternerlich> @jizvash please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome20:00
ubptgbot<Flohack> @trainailleur, no I think thats not the thing he said20:00
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> I have my gists...20:00
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Interestingly something @mariogrip said triggered the voice command functionality on my PS4 which I'm watching the stream on.20:00
ubptgbot<tcarrondo> but I don't want to use them20:00
ubptgbot<NotKit> @UniversalSuperBox did you mean Halium group or you have UBPorts porting group?20:00
ubptgbot<Flohack> @TartanSpartan, I cannot answer this one easily. We do not have a strict developoment group so many changes are made without the proper pieplining that would be necessary for real good changelogs20:00
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @TartanSpartan, LOL, that's the word?20:01
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @Flohack, Okay, I misunderstood what he said last night.  I thought he said he was looking forward to having a device that worked in US, and I assumed he was so busy working on porting new devices that he didn't have one that just worked.20:01
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox @mariogrip well not mainline as in unpatched, but without any binary driver stack or weird things for android audio that require binary drivers?20:01
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> I'll try and figure out what the phras e you said was and how it relates to the command "Playstation"20:01
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @UniversalSuperBox  Cool, I couldn't keep up with all the replies.😄20:02
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> HAHAHAHAHA20:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> "Alexa, donate to UBports!"20:02
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Nice try guys :P20:02
ubptgbot<LarreaMikel> XD20:02
ubptgbot<ebetonro> nice one20:03
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> Alexa!  Order a sex swing!20:03
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @Flohack so how would you implement the pipelining? Making a devel group? Could you make a crowdfunding target for that? I'd be down to donate.20:03
ubptgbot<technicalbird> Thank you @mariogrip @UniversalSuperBox @Flohack for the update!20:04
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Yes muchas gracias amigos.20:04
ubptgbot<LarreaMikel> Nice q&a guys ;)20:04
ubptgbot<ebetonro> Thank you guys :D20:04
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Haha I'm glad you added that to your vocab @UniversalSuperBox you know I love you really bro :)20:05
ubptgbot<peternerlich> Transcript will soon be live here: https://github.com/ubam/community/tree/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna20:05
ubptgbot<Flohack> @TartanSpartan, Its hard to do with creative heads lets say, it consumes a lot of creativity. and then also we would have to tell someone: "Dont work on what you like to do now, we need feature x by tomorrow". I am not sure thats how we would like to work. Yet I know some communities have achieved a similar way20:06
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> This is why open source will take over the world.  Nobody from Google or Samsung is doing a fortnightly live video conference with their mobile community.20:06
ubptgbot<Flohack> @Ken Monnin, This.20:06
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @Ken Monnin, +500020:06
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Thanks @UniversalSuperBox @mariogrip @Flohack .  That was a great session.  Normally I am busy at this time on a Saturday so I download them after the fact and replay them at double speed, but it was neat to be here live and see how you were picking up questions from forum, youtube, and here and pumping out detailed and intrigu20:06
ubptgboting answers.20:06
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @Ken Monnin, +600020:06
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @dohbee, https://xkcd.com/1807/20:08
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @Flohack well if there's any way of doing it on the fun side of "feasible" we'd be so grateful for that. Perhaps those other communities can offer guidance. And I hope the whole of our community can be involved with ideas on how to take it forward. Changelogs are the way forward, as many Scots are fond of saying.20:08
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> I may not be able to code (seriously, I'm about a half of a rung higher on the ladder than a script kiddie) but I am a business student and may be able to help some with the foundation if you guys need it.20:09
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Last I checked there was no whisky in changelogs20:10
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Patreon goal: send single malt to devs in levels to match @mariogrip 's consumption of caffiene products.20:12
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> "I HAVE A MERGE CONFLICT IN THE CLOCK APP" -Florian, 201820:15
ubptgbot<Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, to add, its the po files!!!!20:15
ubptgbot<Flohack> WHO translated out of band???20:15
ubptgbot<Tac_Tec_Oficial> Can I install UBPORTS on a Sony M2?20:16
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @TartanSpartan, If we have one of those deals where you give one a way and get one of the same as a "premium," I'm all ears.20:16
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @TartanSpartan, [Edit] If we have one of those deals where you give one away and get one of the same as a "premium," I'm all ears.20:18
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> I'll send a bottle of Bacardi 151 to the address of your choice if I can get 16.04 and Anbox on my Nexus 5 before the next Q&A.  😆20:20
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> ^now we're talking!20:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ken Monnin, that's probably more a "you first" kind of scenario20:21
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @flohack you said - and I understand entirely - that the MTP fix for OnePlus One won't be coming with a 15.04 update.  Is it however something the user could fix themselves, i.e., can the file(s) and needed permissions be documented?  Scp works, but it's not nearly as convenient as MTP.  No worries if it's too complex to docume20:24
ubptgbotnt, but I thought I'd ask.20:24
ubptgbot<Flohack> @trainailleur, yes more or less. I will make a document for that :)20:25
ubptgbot<trainailleur> Yay!20:25
ubptgbot<trainailleur> OnePlus One is a lot easier for me to use.  In time I am sure I will get used to the gesture-based interface, but in my earlier days, I find it easier on a larger screen, vs. the N5.20:26
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @mariogp, do I remember correctly from a few weeks back that you said that OnePlus 3T will be covered by the OnePlus 3 port (whether it ends up official or community)?20:27
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/0XBgKl0a.png20:27
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> Me first? Cool! It's the only kinda rum I drink. :)20:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Ken Monnin, How sad.20:28
ubptgbot<Ken Monnin> I prefer bourbon & scotch, but if it's gonna be rum, I want the one with warning labels.20:30
ubptgbot<peternerlich> Didn't we have a UBports/Yumi stickerpack? Who's the maintainer of that?20:32
ubptgbotOneCoder was added by: OneCoder20:34
ubptgbot<Flohack> @trainailleur, es20:36
ubptgbot<Flohack> @trainailleur, [Edit] Yes20:36
ubptgbot<trainailleur> @Flohack, Thanks.  I'll start looking for deals on the 128 GB 3T.20:42
ubptgbot<technicalbird> Guys.. which version of xenial are you trying to base now? 16.04.xx?20:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> @technicalbird, there is only one version of xenial. the HWE updates are irrelevant because the phones/tablets don't use the ubuntu kernels, nor Xorg20:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> the only bits of X used are for Xmir to translate X apps to mir display, which means no mesa and such20:44
ubptgbot<technicalbird> Oh.. ok20:45
ubptgbot<peternerlich> #QnA The community transcript is live! https://github.com/ubam/community/blob/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna/2018-03-03_24.md20:58
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @OneCoder, Hello Claire. A good way to find out more about UBports is to read this link. We also have Telegram groups in various languages, including French https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome21:01
ubptgbot<OneCoder> @Stereofont, Thank you.21:04
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Anything we can help you with?21:07
ubptgbot<Stereofont> You are a developer?21:08
ubptgbot<OneCoder> No, just a user. But if is possible to develop something with java, i can try21:11
ubptgbot<OneCoder> I have a nexus 7 2012 wi-fi with android 5.1.1, and i wish to put on ubports.21:14
ubptgbot<Cesar_Herrera> @OneCoder, Perhaps you find interesting https://www.innerzaurus.com/21:17
ubptgbot<dohbee> @OneCoder, It is not a supported device and never will be.21:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I mean, it would be if someone ported to it, no?21:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> The hardware is not suitable21:18
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> But no one has done that.21:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> it was supported 4 years ago21:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> we had to drop it because Tegra21:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> well, 4.5 years ago i guess maybe21:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> even android is incredibly unusable on a 2012 nexus 721:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> and after we switched to mir off surfaceflinger, it was even less usable with ubuntu21:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> (i have a 2012 nexus 7 sitting here that i can't sell and can't use, that i bought so long ago to test ubuntu stuff on, when it was supported)21:21
ubptgbot<OneCoder> @dohbee, New versions of android only. Custom rom like CyanogenMod for nexus are avaible for download21:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> i mean yeah, android runs on it, but it is abysmally slow21:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> anything newer than about 4.2 is anyway21:23
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> @dohbee, If it is a 2013 wifi verson Lineage is an option. … https://download.lineageos.org/flo21:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> and 4.2 is only slightly better by the tiniest bit21:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexiPistonrod, 2013 nexus 7 can run ubports21:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> that's not the issue21:23
ubptgbot<OneCoder> Good21:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> we are talking about 2012 (grouper)21:24
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> ahh ok21:24
ubptgbot<OneCoder> I'm new here...21:24
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> @OneCoder, Welcome then..21:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> flo/deb are fine and qualcomm devices21:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> grouper is tegra21:24
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Uggg figures then21:25
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Oh well .. sell it get a decent phone ;)21:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexiPistonrod, happy to. will you buy it? :)21:25
ubptgbot<OneCoder> Is there an emulator running on Ubuntu desktop ?21:25
ubptgbot<OneCoder> @AlexiPistonrod, Thank you21:26
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Christ no.. :P I already have far too many phones. Some of which are bricks atm waiting for me to make a rom for them.21:26
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Actually now  I am here.. anyone heard of ubports running on a Firefox phone ?21:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> @OneCoder, No. You can run unity 8 on ubuntu inside an x86 VM though21:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> some small differences in how things work, but it's good for testing things and such21:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexiPistonrod, there's no port for it, afaik21:28
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Really weird that given that Firefox OS ran on it. and all the code it out there.. *sighs* Pity as I quite liked the hardware.. dual sim NFC Bluetooth 3G etc..21:29
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/B2G_OS/Phone_guide/Flame21:31
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Quite how that cannot be supported I have no idea.. but oh well..21:31
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> It would be a lovely device to run sailfish on..21:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> Well i guess nobody has any21:32
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> I have!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!21:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> Also, if it's not got Android underneath, it's going to be even more of a pain to port to21:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> where's the kernel source? device drivers? firmware?21:33
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> It didn't it had Mozzilla undrpinnings.. Gaia and Gecko..21:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't mean for the UI21:34
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Think it is still on github somewhere ..21:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> i mean for the HAL level21:34
ubptgbot<peternerlich> #QnA The community transcript is now online and open for translation! Have anyone in you Language group not being able to follow and ask everyone what the main points were? Just translate these notes! https://github.com/ubam/community/blob/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna/2018-03-03_24.md … For assistance on how to get your trans21:34
ubptgbotlation up ask me or any other UBAM member21:34
ubptgbot<peternerlich> [Edit] #QnA The community transcript is now online and open for translation! Have anyone in you Language group not being able to follow and ask everyone what the main points were? Just translate these notes! … https://github.com/ubam/community/blob/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna/2018-03-03_24.md … For assistance on how to get y21:34
ubptgbotour translation up ask me or any other UBAM member21:34
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> git://github.com/mozilla-b2g/B2G.git21:38
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G21:39
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @dohbee, postmarketOS supports the flame I think. Also it looks like B2G is just android 4 - 5 with custom ui, but still using the bionic c lib21:40
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @OneCoder, This group is quite busy. If you would like to discuss possible devices and app development etc I suggest you join the Welcome & Install group for a while21:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AlexiPistonrod, Looks like it's built on top of AOSP, so Ubuntu should be portable to it then. Have at it! :)21:41
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> oh wow.. someone is still mainting it. .crap not looked at that for ages..21:41
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> there is an Android-L version for my flame.. cool21:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> Even better if they've updated it to kernel 4.4 and android 7.121:42
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Building it now.21:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh that's just android 521:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> so i guess maybe it's still on kernel 3.4, or maybe 3.10 if lucky21:43
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> ummm yeah .. just a bit better than KK though haha21:43
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Has anyone got any details on the librrem 5?21:43
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I would not consider 3.10 "lucky"21:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> @SecretlyTaco, Come back in 12 months?21:43
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @SecretlyTaco, Purism. That is it.21:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, well, for a 3 year old dead phone, i would21:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> so many cheap chinese phones that were used for things at that time, even only had android 4.0 available at best21:44
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Yeah.. better than what is on it atm.. of course.. if you want to port UBbports to it... .Ahemm..21:44
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @SecretlyTaco, They opened an issue on my Plasma Mobile packaging repo recently, that's the latest news I have :) They seem to be interested in Plasma Mobile, that's the only thing I can interpret into that21:45
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @AlexiPistonrod, If it has at least kernel 3.2 and android 5, it should be portable with halium-5.121:46
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> 3.2 is pushing it, though21:46
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> I'll tell  you what kernel in a sec.. it is pulling the git down now.21:47
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Awww crap not looked at this in 2 years and it updating a whole load of crap.. *sighs*21:52
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Hmm I see aosp mashmallow flying by..21:54
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yes, because those branches exist upstream21:54
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Don't get your hopes up too high21:54
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> hehe.. well I'll just let it do it's thing and have a look at it when it has finished..21:56
ubptgbot<Flohack> @dohbee How can you discuss in the supergroup and in the same time comment on all those issues?22:14
ubptgbot<Flohack> See that;22:14
ubptgbot<Flohack> (Photo, 592x672) https://irc.ubports.com/Odu4aHDS.png22:14
ubptgbot<Flohack> Gimme a break 😆22:14
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, i'm a god?22:14
ubptgbot<Flohack> seems like, at least I cannot read comments faster than you write 😆22:14
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @dohbee, i can confirm that22:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> lol22:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> meh, now i'm afraid of bricking my h1022:17
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> If you're a god, get a line to Yahweh and ask him for changelogs :)22:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> "Changelogs are for suckers." -- Yahweh22:19
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Would love to see his first changelog over the 7 days.22:19
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> "Make everything, basically … Bug fixes and performance improvements"22:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> git rebase -i HEAD~722:20
ubptgbot<Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, And "Try Now"22:20
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsZbL-Akms22:21
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> "Why'd Father give these humans free will? Now they're confused..."22:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> "fucking cvs" definitely does not give me the results i was looking for, on ddg22:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh well22:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, guess i was kind of bored, and subconsciously avoiding doing all the other things i really need to do :-/22:32
ubptgbot<Flohack> Oh22:32
ubptgbot<Flohack> I know this, ahppens to me at work nearly daily22:32
ubptgbot<Flohack> Especially when I need to go into the SAP system to order smth22:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh SAP :(22:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> but hopefully i made some helpful comments on thos bugs22:36
ubptgbot<Flohack> yep22:37
ubptgbotchronosmsx was added by: chronosmsx22:51
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Hello Michael. To get up to speed with what is happening with UBports check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome22:58
ubptgbot<Stereofont> http://t.me/UBports_Ru22:59
ubptgbot<dohbee> https://wccftech.com/42-android-banking-trojan/23:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> one more reason to avoid those devices, or get them ported with good stuff like lineage and ubports23:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh wow. one's a bq phone. and another is the tesla phone23:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> i guess probably all of those phones are also on mtk23:35
ubptgbot<mariogrip> oh wow that's BAD!23:36
ubptgbot<dohbee> indeed23:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> Hey @mariogrip is nexus5 16.04 using different drivers than the 15.04 images or something? I can't play any videos at all, let alone get the wrong color space.23:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> was poking to see if i could see what's going on there, but i can't play anything :-/23:42
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @dohbee, The is a little different, not much. video is different23:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> hmm23:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> so it broke the gstreamer plug-in i guess?23:45
ubptgbot<mariogrip> @dohbee, I think it needs a rebuild, it's still from the overlay ppa. so I need to import it23:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh23:45
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @peternerlich, nice work buddy23:54
ubptgbot<peternerlich> @peternerlich, want to push that to the news channel @wayneoutthere?23:55
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @peternerlich, not sure... if I do...bring to marketing group maybe for discussion...  i may catch up here over next few hours23:59

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