[00:31] <ubptgbot> ijgarcia was added by: ijgarcia
 What's the UTC time of tomorrow's Q&A?  I might be able to catch this one live, for once.
 1900
[01:44] <ubptgbot> SecretlyTaco was added by: SecretlyTaco
 hallo!
 Welcome! :)
 Having some trouble installing
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/P1nMmI8f.png Seeing this, while the device is already in bootloader
 @SecretlyTaco, what device?
 nexus 5
 @SecretlyTaco, what does the device say?
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/1wPsYp8A.png
 brand new N5, just pulled it out the box today fwiw
 Ah! the device is locked, this is normal with newer devices
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thank you.
 (Photo, 697x520) https://irc.ubports.com/H0P2pQsv.png this the right thing?
 @SecretlyTaco, does the device say anything?
 aw it'll delete the photo i took of  the snow :(
 hold on
 lemme bluetooth that to myself
 @SecretlyTaco, so after this, On the phone a screen should pop up asking whether or not you would like to unlock the bootloader. Use the volume rockers to highlight "Yes" then press power to confirm the action.
 ya
 I had a nexus 5 years ago but I broke it with magnets :l
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/AZ9gCZdW.png
 got the photo :)
 Nice :D
 @SecretlyTaco, Thats snow, not magnets
 @PhoenixLandPirate, this is the new N5
 :p
 it's -11 C here in norway
 @SecretlyTaco, as a joke while i was filming my "snow unboxing", i threw the included headphones on the floor
 then  I forgot to pick them up as I left
 >:l
 @mariogrip, after this just restart the installer, select phone and all should be fine
 coolio
 it's erasing
 dONE
 @SecretlyTaco, at least it got an earphone jack :P
 do I want 15.04 or 16.04?
 I am new to the linux mobile world
 @SecretlyTaco, Depends if you want a working phone or not
 @SecretlyTaco, I would say go with stable, if you want a stable phone
 i just pre ordered a galaxy s9 plus so it's really not important
 i literally boughtthis phone to make a snow unboxing video
 @SecretlyTaco, Where do you get your money?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, stabbing homeless people
 @SecretlyTaco, Understandable
 installing 15.04
 16.04 still under heavy development, but it's getting pretty close!
 @mariogrip, Its always been pretty
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/A7YaiXrG.png UH???
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/VqEApSPm.png
 @SecretlyTaco, humm that's wierd. Can you try running it with sudo?
 @mariogrip, This
 its a mac so probably not
 uh
 @SecretlyTaco, There is sudo on mac :=
 @SecretlyTaco, That was my thoughts
 @SecretlyTaco, [Edit] There is sudo on mac :=)
 @mariogrip, But is it useful?
 @mariogrip, there is, but applications are formatted weirdly
 (Photo, 697x520) https://irc.ubports.com/S9ncM69G.png UH
 @SecretlyTaco, that's adb, that error is fine
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/WZ0dtdUf.png :D
 YAY :D
 :)
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/gehHH6lA.png yAY
 That was fast
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/H2mc7A4H.png
 So, did it work with sudo?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/DionbAx1.mp4
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/JB33DxlI.png
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/lytE90pb.png hm
 @mariogrip, ^ im just trying to see if there is a bug with mac and password promt
 @SecretlyTaco, This is fine
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/1oTpN7xD.png
 Yumi looks nice
 it did say "device '(null)' not found"
 and then i pressed try again
 idk
 (Photo, 697x520) https://irc.ubports.com/ycUjncmr.png i got this
 @SecretlyTaco, oh! that's a wierd one. can you try restarting it?
 sure
 I need to debug more on mac, I develop and test on linux so something things slip
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/6PAuxYUu.png
 its in the ubports recovery mode
 I just have a mac vm, and it's wierdly buggy
 seems to be pushing files fine now
 yay :D
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/Aqkaedoa.png
 @mariogrip, welp, if you ever need a macbook tester
 i have too much free time it seems
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/oTXwFKUk.png And also a pile of phones
 (Photo, 912x712) https://irc.ubports.com/Zo5Y4uXr.png :D
 @SecretlyTaco, Nice! That would be awesome!! :D ping-ing @neothethird our Q/A expert to get in touch with you :)
 coolio
 I got a 2014 macbook air on macos 10.12, and a 2017 touchbar macbook pro on macos 10.13
 phones i can test with a nexus 5/5x
 @SecretlyTaco, Nexus 5 is the only stable right now, but our lovley @UniversalSuperBox is doing great work on 5x :D
 :3
 i cannot mobile development
 all my things are python
 also I wrote 3 lines of PHP once and now i want to die
 print("python is coool also")
 stalk me if you must https://github.com/SecretlyTaco/fruit-songs
 @SecretlyTaco, I really feel you, we got out memes about php in this group :P
 (Sticker, 507x512) https://irc.ubports.com/bR5VJ3PA.webp
 @SecretlyTaco how rich are your homeless?
 how do i make the phone not say google as it boots
 @PhoenixLandPirate, what why
 Fwd from PhoenixLandPirate: Where do you get your money?
 Fwd from SecretlyTaco: stabbing homeless people
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/86qE9C5p.png YAY
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gHON341r.png In case you're ever at my house
 @SecretlyTaco, haha :P
 @SecretlyTaco, I have a logo partition i made a while back
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ZBI3kcAN.png Mwahaha
 @SecretlyTaco, Where do you live?
 @SecretlyTaco, lol :P
 hey @mariogrip
 @PhoenixLandPirate, you're creepy
 have you played with OnePlus 3 recently?
 @vanyasem, Hey!
 @vanyasem, Yeah! why?
 @mariogrip, No u
 @mariogrip, plz upstream your changes
 @vanyasem, This
 today i found out that the tree was almost intact and had to fix it myself :c i PRed some changes
 @vanyasem, was no halium stuff, just arm64 builds for UBports
 i mean oneplus 3 is broken and has almost no commits in it
 might be
 also, do you already know that the latest rootfs are broken on caf?
 im a lazy bum sometimes
 @vanyasem, htc 10 refuses to run on latest rootfs for me
 whats ubuntu one
 @mariogrip, plzzz upstream
 and why do i need it for tg notifications
 @vanyasem, yeah, @UniversalSuperBox has been bugging me
 that's because i was bugging him :P
 Also, I am typing this on my nexus 5
 @mariogrip, >sometimes … Always
 @SecretlyTaco, it's something we work on removing, it's stuck from the canonical days. it's used to notifacations so it knows where they they need to go
 @mariogrip, I'm never losing this message
 @UniversalSuperBox, oh no, what have i done
 @mariogrip, Sad
 @SecretlyTaco, i disagree with that
 @PhoenixLandPirate
 This feels really laggy
 Hmm
 English is a hard languahe
 [Edit] English is a hard language
 @vanyasem, monster, how can you like php
 Maybe because its a 4 year old phone
 @mariogrip, please upstream your code or merge my pr for OP3 :P i have girls waiting in line, it's important for me
 @vanyasem, the reason I made the issue today is because I wanted to make it known that we know about it. :)
 @mariogrip, that's an inside joke for Phoenix
 @vanyasem, This is now more then 1
 @SecretlyTaco, true, vivid is slow compeard to 16.04. We are working super hard, but still a small team.
 But I have no idea what's going on with that build of mir that I borked... so I figure that I probably shouldn't try to go any further
 @mariogrip, Good to know
 @vanyasem, wait... i had to read that twice... how? I need your moves
 @mariogrip, ,
 @mariogrip, [Edit] ?
 He wants to know how you got girls waiting in line for a port of Ubuntu Touch
 Does the browser support adblocking
 @SecretlyTaco, There is an ad blocker in the OpenStore, actually
 @UniversalSuperBox, made by me :) shameless promotion
 @UniversalSuperBox, Whats it called?
 uh
 @SecretlyTaco, uadblock
 @vanyasem, Is that your inspiration to Port a device?
 @mariogrip, Thank
 @technicalbird, Whatever gets the work done, I always say. :P
 here @mariogrip https://github.com/Halium/android_device_oneplus_oneplus3/pull/1
 @technicalbird, yep. dancing in my bedroom.
 Alright, that's far enough
 @vanyasem, Gifs or didnt happen
 @PhoenixLandPirate, you have already seen all the gifs and photos. tss
 Hahaha
 @vanyasem, well, you have come to the point where you dont need to port
 @mariogrip, No
 Ok, back on topic guys!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/bnqgRLIA.mp4
 @vanyasem when did you get a op3?
 i have a girl with a op3
 so she allowed me to play with it
 on the weekends
 so i built halium for it todayt
 [Edit] so i built halium for it today
 ah.... wait.... nevermind
 @mariogrip, do i need to apply atomic patch for it?
 to the kernel
 Op3 and Op5 should be in the ubports installer app already
 @vanyasem, for the armhf version yes
 if you want to try arm64 then you dont
 is it caf?
 Atomic sounds dangerous, I like it
 the atomic one is just for arm 32 compat mode
 @vanyasem, i mean caf was broken for me on HTC 10
 @vanyasem, no :(
 damn caf! I hate it...
 @mariogrip, good then, i can actually test something new
 good as in good for me
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/GJrF4bel.png My view as I head to sleep
 @UniversalSuperBox should we spin up the seperate caf
 @mariogrip, yes
 @SecretlyTaco, something seems a bit off there... the n5 should not look like that
 But not if it gets in the way of OTA-4
 @UniversalSuperBox, we alredy got the infra, should be simplel
 @UniversalSuperBox, [Edit] we alredy got the infra, should be simple
 @mariogrip, (from last time)
 @mariogrip, Some people like their phones in landscape ">:(
 @mariogrip, It fixes if I turn the screen off and on again
 @SecretlyTaco, can you try doing a reboot on that. seems like that might be why it's a little slow
 since the buffer seems shifted
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/GPq0xLrA.png
 @mariogrip, I tried to add arm64 builds to it for Mir
 https://github.com/ubports/mir/tree/xenial-7.1-caf-sudoku
 it didn't build
 @mariogrip, Just did,isn't really any better
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/m5yZwlbs.png
 @mariogrip, we have a winner here
 How do I screenshot
 @SecretlyTaco, humm, what version did you have before (of android)
 @SecretlyTaco, volum up and down
 (at the same time)
 @mariogrip, 4.4.3,brand new phone unboxed about 5 hours ago
 @SecretlyTaco, humm, you might need to flash 5.1 firmwares on it.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/uwA7D43r.png
 @mariogrip, Weird
 @mariogrip, Uhh
 I'm really sorry about the bad first experience :(
 :(
 @SecretlyTaco, humm, it seems fine there. when does this wired thing happen?
 @mariogrip, Just testing screenshots
 Ok. I will try to see if i can recreate this issue you having and debug it
 Its mostly the keyboard is making me want to die
 @SecretlyTaco, lol, you will get used to it
 Maybe
 I'm not planning to use this as my daily phone though
 yet :P
 @SecretlyTaco, Hooray I'm not the only one
 Both the SFOS and UT keyboards just kinda blow imo
 I've been using SFOS (sorry!) as a daily driver for a week and it's almost easier just to bring a bluetooth keyboard around for typing >.>
 @Lyokanthrope, I disagree, UTs keyboard is nice
 @Lyokanthrope, UT is not that bad :P try using outs for a daily driver
 @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] UT is not that bad :P try using ours for a daily driver
 @vanyasem, I can't stand it on the Nexus 5
 I used it for a week on N5 as a daily driver
 it was nice
 please Marius review my PR @mariogrip I need your help there
 or send me a repo diff for that matter :P
 done
 @mariogrip, Nice
 thanks ^^
 @mariogrip, If I had any device that could run a remotely stable version of UT that didn't have a crap battery sure lol
 (Sticker, 512x433) https://irc.ubports.com/tyT9qW1N.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/5t58ZOD2.webp
 @Lyokanthrope, if you are used to android, it will be a gap. but it's pretty nice when you are used to it. it's like going from android to ios, you will hate the other for a while
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/M97Tfr3C.png
 Secure
 I think it just depends on KB taste tbh. Especially since there's many different KBs even on Android alone
 I'm kinda spoiled by the gesture typing on the AOSP keyboard
 (yes I know that uses a proprietary blob)
 @SecretlyTaco, Oh my gosh, the keys are huge
 @SecretlyTaco, you didn't set a password... and it's read only filesystem
 @mariogrip, it's linux! :P
 Dalton do you like yumi?
 What is this Linux you speak of
 And if you try to debate whether to make it more or less secure, you'll find one opinion in this room from every part of the spectrum.
 I bought a windows phone
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Sure
 possibly unpopular opinion but I think UT would make a better tablet OS than phone OS ^^;
 Have you ever wished for a pixelated yumi floating about?
 I like it as both :D
 I'm working on getting my tablet not to crash with the port I've been working on
 Every time I touch the screen, it crashes 😆 I think I know why though, and I should have paid more attention at the beginning
 @PhoenixLandPirate, @UniversalSuperBox
 @Lyokanthrope, Opinion's all your
 s
 .
 @mariogrip https://github.com/Halium/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8996/pull/1 also this if that won't bother you
 @Lyokanthrope, I think tablets are a smaller market then sailfish phones.
 nah
 lots of people still buy ipads and cheap crappy android tablets (because nothing else exists)
 @Lyokanthrope, there are crappy Microsoft Surfaces, too
 i used to have one
 I have one now and I use it daily lol
 i am sorry for you
 Works for me *shrug*
 @Lyokanthrope, Tbh, I kinda like the midrange Android tablets for the most part. It's very handy for me. I carry my three primary devices with me everywhere, and do different things with them depending on the place and task. It's been nice :D
 get that windows users!
 @Schyken, I use the tablet less than the phone or the laptop though, which is why I've chosen it to start porting first, because I have a tendency to bork stuff
 @Schyken, Yeah I usually have the Surface and my phone (currently an Xperia X w/ SF X but will probably go back to the Essential next week) on me
 Im gonna pretend @UniversalSuperBox said yes
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyT_wm_Fssk
 @Lyokanthrope, Essential phones make me super happy... I just love those things.
 The thinkpad usually stays at home unless I'm going to be somewhere else for more than a few hours
 @Schyken, It's really not a bad device a tall.
 @Schyken, [Edit] It's really not a bad device at all.
 I like the weight, and the camera is pretty good, which is a couple things that definitely lean me towards a device
 @Schyken, The camera has gotten a ton better lately
 I want to say @ubports_ot
 actually I did
 :)
 well the discussion was originally my feelings about UT as a phone OS *shrug*
 I know
 I guess that's enough for me tonight. 👋
 aw
 uhhhh
 I never realised there was a fancy installer for UBports. Maybe that'll make my nexus run utouch with the store. Lol
 @SecretlyTaco, i heard testing
 @SecretlyTaco, can i interest you in joining the @ubports_qa_team?
 Heu does anyone know a video player with subtitle support that runs on touch?
 I don't think UTmedia does that but I am guessing it could be modified
 @nfsprodriver
 UTmedia is just a webplayer using mediaelement.
 Does that rule out subtitle incorporation?
 I am asking out of total ignorance 😃
 Yeah I tried UTmedia but couldn't find anything immediate to do with subtitling
[10:23] <opendata> started poring android to the mainline kernel with my z2 tablet si i can bootubports
 Great, opendata. There is now a discussion place in Telegram for that
 It's bridged to #ubports-porting
 Wow. Early riser Dalton
 My phone decided that 4AM was the best time to start playing a podcast
 Can't wait to finally have a UT phone that I can use in the US.
 Dalton, you don't have a N5 or OpO?
 [Edit] Dalton, you don't have an N5 or OpO to run UT?
 dalton, can you help me debug my stuff?
 i gathered all the logs i could
 and uploaded them
[11:24] <ubptgbot> jpanighets was added by: jpanighets
 How do I update to 16.04
[11:48] <ubptgbot> RoccoOPO was added by: RoccoOPO
 Hello Giorgio & RoccoOPO. This is the best place to get you started https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @SecretlyTaco, You should read https://ubports.com/community/faq
 I should
 @advocatux, I come back. Hi all
 Hellooo welcome back!
 Thanks 👍👍👍
 @RoccoOPO, why did you leave? ;)
 @Greg, what bout VLC player for UT?  I have a weird memory of someone working on that.. but maybe that was 'convergence' talk...
 Seumas got it working in Libertine I think
 yeaaaah... nice.  i like VLC and that might be a nice way to make UT do all things media one day...
 What's wrong with media player?
 it doesn't work on N5
 (video playback)
 UT media does though...
 hit me rodney! one time
 ready for it! :)
 Oh, so instead of figuring out what's wrong, you just want to not use it
 BOOM!
 there it is!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/VizWm980.mp4
 Fix the bugs
 i agree by the way
 but doesn't VLC work on everything all the time?
 No
 fine.  well. .. be that way
 Remove the legally questionable bits and see how much works
 there are legally questionable bits in VLC?  hmm  was not aware.  I just found it always worked for me when other things had bugs
 i'm also thinking convergence days too.
 We have a thing that uses hw decode for a reason. And the hardware is there, so let's use it
 @dohbee, That's a well known bug https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/7 and it seems hard to fix
 Marius said `The reason this is happening is a blob mismatch since we are using caf graphics drivers since the aosp ones makes some horrible vsync issues, this seems to have caused the decoder to have a color mismatch (or pixel format). So in simple words this is extremely hard. there is two options to fix this, make the aosp blob
[13:37] <ubptgbot> s work without vsync issue (mir changes) or make the color for decoder match the caf graphics drivers`
 caf on n5?!
 @mariogrip should answer you that
 And what vsync issues with aosp?
 Yeah I did remember seeing someone with VLC working
 MPV?
 VLC doesnt work because of the lack of hardware acceleration
 @KrisJacewicz was trying to get VLC working a few months ago
 @malditobastardo, "Works" but video playing is laggy for this reason
 "works"
 The vivid XMir version on armhf has this problem
 so Xenial should fix that?
 On Xenial we should have native Qt/SDL2/(Gtkish) support, Wayland support so it shold be less an issue
 I don't know if this problem has been fixed thought
 Maybe Alan knows... or you can ask on the Q&A
 awesome, thank you
 Yeah
 My main concern right now is uMatriks tbh
 😹
 np
 @jonny, Heh, UBports has better mascot stickers than Android.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/07X1zVCZ.webp
 What happened to the KDE mobile thing
 It's still around, https://www.plasma-mobile.org/
 Does telegram work on it
 Thats pretty much my only requirement for a mobile OS
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/V0sXUtHl.mp4
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/AsNCneMA.png
 Yeah, GIFs don't work so well all the time
 Even if VLC works better with xwayland (likely won't) it's not a solution to the issue
 I don't have a sim card in so I cannot test the phone things
 Rip
 Also,why does it say 0 members
 This Telegram client is not in the best shape but it's very difficult to improve it now
 WebTelegram is the Telegram webapp. It's not as native, but it supports all the features.
 Pick your poison. :D
 Poison isn't good
 HIn, Thanks for your kind words 😊 this looks like one best seen in a while , think going to be my next 50x  … https://www.coinpayments.net/index.php?ref=51e8240d553a4bf38749a0377dded9ae
 @PhoenixLandPirate, It's all about the dose
 When will the development for samsung devices start ?
[18:18] <ubptgbot> Joyoriginal was added by: Joyoriginal
 When someone gets a device and starts working on it. Someone had an S7 port in the works.
 @arpitjindal1997, What kind of Samsung device?
 I have Samsung J7 2015 (j7eltexx)
 Can I install UT on my Nokia 6 ??
 no
 @Joyoriginal, it has locked bootloader, no kernel sources and no port done for it
 (Sticker, 512x252) https://irc.ubports.com/i5KIe1hM.webp
 But i have seen some post on XDA forum about unlocking bootloader for Nokia 6 … . 😕😕😕
 then two later points remain :)
 This device is running with Android One project !!
 But UBports is not Android. We need to recompile kernel with different options, this is not possible if vendor breaks GPL and doesn't release kernel source.
 Ohhh.. I got it.. BTW tnx..
 once yumi is ready she should contact nokia 😼
 or is yumi a he 🤔
 Or either or both
 @UniversalSuperBox, Actually its a telegram API thing. Any help welcome ;)
 Do we still need a vidme app in the store now that vidme has been shut down lmao
 The developer needs to unpublished the vidme webapp, that's all
 Uh
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/IT47ZGc0.png
 Please don't
 Yeah I figured Ubuntu touch is required
 Uhm
 How to remove googles pls to thx
 I don't really understand why... it's about a 300kB package and it'll never contact anyone unless you select it
 Also if you make your rootfs writable to uninstall it, future updates will come through as full images rather than small diffs
 And overwrite your changes
 If someone can remove it then its us 😆
 I just don't trust the googles enough,I guess
 But I think some people need it
 Then don't add the login in accounts
 For german users of "Beru"-app : gutenberg.org closes access for german users because copyright
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/r895UYtu.png
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/g8fW19a0.png
 Fwd from UBports News Channel: We are LIVE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIkoXvGCiA
 @UniversalSuperBox FORTNIGHTLY, not the ambiguous biweekly :P
 oh these aren't biweekly?
 Americans need to adopt the concept of fortnights :) I can say that as a half Murican.
 time doesn't exist, so fortnights exist everywhere
 I hate you @Flohack ..
 That's okay, we do too. :P
 @technicalbird, 😆 too hot and noisy isnt it :)
 @TartanSpartan, It's a perfectly cromulent word in Americanese.
 so how usable is xenial if I want to work hard on Gemini PDA port?
 Thank you @Flohack for the MTP fix!
 Q: granted that the automated counting is broken, how many active users of Stable do you think we have?
 [Edit] Q: so how usable is xenial if I want to work hard on Gemini PDA port?
 Q2: Given U8 work is well underway for Bionic, is the plan to sprint to Bionic after Xenial is stable, or flesh out Xenial, or both?
 Everyone knows 404 I hope.  Unless they've been on the internet less than a week.
 Heh.  Just realized I should have put questions into the forum.   😊
 Is printer integration on devel 16.04 causing the font on Facebook and other webapps to bork? I originally noticed this when I tried to install CUPS on Libertine, arale, 15.04, and this was tracked as a bug.
 @TartanSpartan, TBH no idea :)
 It is for me :) perhaps Mr. Durst knows? Is this a device-agnostic bug?
 @TartanSpartan, that seems unlikely
 Q: When will we see openstore on x86?
 oh i thought they were doing fibonacci branding
 1+4 = 5, surely.  😄
 Q2: and x86 clicks?
 @Ismaelbonato, It's only necessary to rebuild for things that are compiled. Pure qml or html5 or webapps don't need different clicks
 clicks already work on x86
 but probably not on 18.04
 What I mean is  both versions x86 and arm in all clicks inside openstore
 I thought "everyone's favorite" was going to be about a RedMi 4 port, since I see that question scores of times a week on Telegram.
 scopes as a pluggable search back-end sort of thing is pretty great. all the current scopes UI is awful though
 [Edit] What I mean is  both versions x86 and arm in all apps inside openstore
 @Ismaelbonato, it just requires devs to build fat clicks
 Is there any reason why click manifests don't just support arch "any", but only a hack to make them build for multiple architectures?
 @dohbee, We need to make them know we want it :)
 i don't know if the server supports multiple click files for the same version. it doesn't really in the old store iirc
 @Ismaelbonato, it's a pain, for basically no beneift
 especially since they won't work on 18.04
 @dohbee, it's not good for compatibility
 Is Marius saying there will be Trouble with Trebles?
 @Flohack is not amused :P
 :) I am fiiine
 Just don't feed them grain.
 Just the light here is bad
 @Ismaelbonato, tell it to the packagekit devs
 The pun was aweseom @mariogrip .  Sophisticated minds like yours and mind can appreciate things like this.  😂
 [Edit] The pun was awesome @mariogrip .  Sophisticated minds like yours and mind can appreciate things like this.  😂
 x86 tablet will be useless whitout apps
 there are no supported x86 tableets
 and there are plenty of apps still
 [Edit] x86 tablet will be useless whitout a store with convergent apps
 i've installed several clicks in a vm of 16.04 with unity8
 they work
 @dohbee, nice
 @trainailleur, haha :D
 [Edit] The pun was awesome @mariogrip .  Sophisticated minds like yours and mine can appreciate things like this.  😂
 http://www.tomshardware.fr/articles/console-smach-z-cpu-amd,1-66855.html Unity 8 on this device would be awesome.
 sorry english version
 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-embedded-smach-z-handheld-gaming-pc,36609.html
 Thanks for the answer regarding stats.  I'm not yet included in the Telegram stats because I'm still using telegram on Android and desktop.  I need to rectify that.
 @Flohack how many telegram users online? i missed that one totally..
 @trainailleur, ok +1 ;)
 @samitormanen, 750 +-
 QUESTION: The push server only works for telegram, or are the an other apps using it?
 @Ismaelbonato, eh. unity8 is not really a good ui for a game console
 @samitormanen, Stats averages right now: … 5 mins  |        726 … 60 mins |        729 … 1 day   |        656 … 7 days  |        634
 My main question tonight harks back to one of mine a few shows (or fortnights) ago. I'm still craving some form of changelog on the devel Xenial images. Right now it feels like the user has to feel around in the dark for any kind of change. Often it feels like there are no tangible changes, but I know you guys as professional
[19:40] <ubptgbot> developers are doing stuff even if in the backend. Still, we'd love to know what these changes are. Would be awesome for terminal, OpenStore, Libertine etc. So, can you find any kind of way to elucidate these for the user? Automated .txt generating maybe? We aren't going to have to wait until stable Xenial for tangible changelogs, are we?
 ok. thanks Flo! 🤘
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> I signed up for ubuntu one just for you, Flo. :)
 @TartanSpartan, There's no great process for how changes land into the core stack or any apps, so generating useful changelogs is going to be very difficult.
 @dohbee, not for gaming but for web browsing and gps apps etc...
 Ken you can run the unity8 stack on rpi if you want, same as on x86, but the full touch system doesn't make sense there i don't think
 @dohbee, It does if you use a touch display ;)
 But, it shouldn't just be a ghost situation, rightly. Or for only Yaweh himself to know what goes into those deltas. It feels like a changelog would make the slow but steady journey to stability feel more reassuring, especially for impatient people (I'm a reasonably patient person).
 @LarreaMikel, The only other i know of is caxton
 @ebetonro, The GUI is the same, either way. I meant the "ubuntu-touch" meta-package is heavily dependent on android HAL
 (Photo, 1280x385) https://irc.ubports.com/Wn5LQ10l.png This guys name is long enough to go off the screen
 Thanks for taking that Bionic question up.  :-)
 @dohbee, Sorry I didn't understod that ... I agree with you if you put it that way
 @SecretlyTaco, Well you know how the Dutch are with their names
 @DanChapman, Maybe gmail ??
 And @mariogrip , systemd was something I was very interested in hearing about in this context.  Thanks for the info!
 @LarreaMikel, nope that's an accounts-polld plugin and does it all on device
 (Photo, 1280x407) https://irc.ubports.com/XATszFJG.png
 @DanChapman, Oh, ok. Thanks!
 @SecretlyTaco, Android does this
 @LarreaMikel, 👍
 @SecretlyTaco, report a bug?
 How about a marathon as opposed to a sprint :)
 @DanChapman and dekko2 uses also accounts-polld plugin?
 @mariogrip just say "18.04" always
 Very comprehensive info on Xenial/Bionic.  Really appreciate your going into this depth.
 @dohbee, +1 that will work best :D
 codenames are supposed to only be used until the thing is released anyway, and then the numbered version is what it is
 If Unity 8 is spreading out beyond Ubuntu, should the project be renamed Unity Touch?  😄
 Hahaha excellent "tradecraft" @mariogrip
 @trainailleur no UBports is much more than Unity
 @Flohack Unity 7 is still in the ubuntu archives
 even if Unity is important
 not sure if I missed it
 Fwd from NotKit: Q: so how usable is xenial if I want to work hard on Gemini PDA port?
 @dohbee, Just fooling around with that ;) - and yes
 @dohbee and there're people working on an Unity 7 flavour
 there will be lots of compatibility issues between u7 and u8 stacks, if people are going to maintain u7 too
 @DiogoConstantino, Yes, it was a joke.  Sorry.
 @UniversalSuperBox you're wrong, sorry
 and it's MediaTek
 so like Ubuntu Tablet in theory
 @mariogrip you will hate trying to make ubuntu touch work on a mainline kernel device :)
 @flo and it will be the next supported device :D
 you have porting group?
 @UniversalSuperBox just a little bump for my question in case it escaped your notice.
 what about nextcloud/carddav contact﻿ sync?
 Q: Does android support any mainline kernel devices?
 what about nextcloud/carddav contact﻿ sync?
 what about nextcloud/carddav contact﻿ sync?
 :)
[19:58] <ubptgbot> jizvash was added by: jizvash
 hat about nextcloud/carddav contact﻿ sync?
[19:58] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> When can I expect to use 16.04 on my Nexus 5 as a daily driver?
 no spams
 thanks!!!
 no spam
 you rock!
 :P
 we need this
 CHANGELOGS ON DEVEL XENIAL????//
 you already have calendars...
 @TartanSpartan, That was already answered last week or last time it was asked anyway
 @LarreaMikel, No it has it's own tiny service that listens on dekkod's socket for new mail and sends the notifications off to the postal service.
 I already use caldav calendar
 :D
 1 more question:
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> Grandfather Clock
 Hi @jizvash We are currently live: youtu.be/JLIkoXvGCiA
 Dalton said he did not have device to run UBP.
 Did I understand correctly?
 If so, I can ship you a Nexus 5.
 I've got one on the way. :)
[19:59] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> ...and the wheels fell off.
 a) Tongue-in-cheek b) I would like more elaboration and IIRC @Flohack wasn't on that show so would be interesting to get his take.
 @jizvash please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @trainailleur, no I think thats not the thing he said
 I have my gists...
 Interestingly something @mariogrip said triggered the voice command functionality on my PS4 which I'm watching the stream on.
 but I don't want to use them
 @UniversalSuperBox did you mean Halium group or you have UBPorts porting group?
 @TartanSpartan, I cannot answer this one easily. We do not have a strict developoment group so many changes are made without the proper pieplining that would be necessary for real good changelogs
 @TartanSpartan, LOL, that's the word?
 @Flohack, Okay, I misunderstood what he said last night.  I thought he said he was looking forward to having a device that worked in US, and I assumed he was so busy working on porting new devices that he didn't have one that just worked.
 @UniversalSuperBox @mariogrip well not mainline as in unpatched, but without any binary driver stack or weird things for android audio that require binary drivers?
 I'll try and figure out what the phras e you said was and how it relates to the command "Playstation"
 @UniversalSuperBox  Cool, I couldn't keep up with all the replies.😄
 HAHAHAHAHA
 "Alexa, donate to UBports!"
 Nice try guys :P
 XD
 nice one
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> Alexa!  Order a sex swing!
 @Flohack so how would you implement the pipelining? Making a devel group? Could you make a crowdfunding target for that? I'd be down to donate.
 Thank you @mariogrip @UniversalSuperBox @Flohack for the update!
 Yes muchas gracias amigos.
 Nice q&a guys ;)
 Thank you guys :D
 Haha I'm glad you added that to your vocab @UniversalSuperBox you know I love you really bro :)
 Transcript will soon be live here: https://github.com/ubam/community/tree/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna
 @TartanSpartan, Its hard to do with creative heads lets say, it consumes a lot of creativity. and then also we would have to tell someone: "Dont work on what you like to do now, we need feature x by tomorrow". I am not sure thats how we would like to work. Yet I know some communities have achieved a similar way
[20:06] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> This is why open source will take over the world.  Nobody from Google or Samsung is doing a fortnightly live video conference with their mobile community.
 @Ken Monnin, This.
 @Ken Monnin, +5000
 Thanks @UniversalSuperBox @mariogrip @Flohack .  That was a great session.  Normally I am busy at this time on a Saturday so I download them after the fact and replay them at double speed, but it was neat to be here live and see how you were picking up questions from forum, youtube, and here and pumping out detailed and intrigu
[20:06] <ubptgbot> ing answers.
 @Ken Monnin, +6000
 @dohbee, https://xkcd.com/1807/
 @Flohack well if there's any way of doing it on the fun side of "feasible" we'd be so grateful for that. Perhaps those other communities can offer guidance. And I hope the whole of our community can be involved with ideas on how to take it forward. Changelogs are the way forward, as many Scots are fond of saying.
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> I may not be able to code (seriously, I'm about a half of a rung higher on the ladder than a script kiddie) but I am a business student and may be able to help some with the foundation if you guys need it.
 @TartanSpartan, Last I checked there was no whisky in changelogs
 Patreon goal: send single malt to devs in levels to match @mariogrip 's consumption of caffiene products.
 "I HAVE A MERGE CONFLICT IN THE CLOCK APP" -Florian, 2018
 @UniversalSuperBox, to add, its the po files!!!!
 WHO translated out of band???
 Can I install UBPORTS on a Sony M2?
 @TartanSpartan, If we have one of those deals where you give one a way and get one of the same as a "premium," I'm all ears.
 @TartanSpartan, [Edit] If we have one of those deals where you give one away and get one of the same as a "premium," I'm all ears.
[20:20] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> I'll send a bottle of Bacardi 151 to the address of your choice if I can get 16.04 and Anbox on my Nexus 5 before the next Q&A.  😆
 ^now we're talking!
 @Ken Monnin, that's probably more a "you first" kind of scenario
 @flohack you said - and I understand entirely - that the MTP fix for OnePlus One won't be coming with a 15.04 update.  Is it however something the user could fix themselves, i.e., can the file(s) and needed permissions be documented?  Scp works, but it's not nearly as convenient as MTP.  No worries if it's too complex to docume
[20:24] <ubptgbot> nt, but I thought I'd ask.
 @trainailleur, yes more or less. I will make a document for that :)
 Yay!
 OnePlus One is a lot easier for me to use.  In time I am sure I will get used to the gesture-based interface, but in my earlier days, I find it easier on a larger screen, vs. the N5.
 @mariogp, do I remember correctly from a few weeks back that you said that OnePlus 3T will be covered by the OnePlus 3 port (whether it ends up official or community)?
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/0XBgKl0a.png
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> Me first? Cool! It's the only kinda rum I drink. :)
 @Ken Monnin, How sad.
[20:30] <ubptgbot> <Ken Monnin> I prefer bourbon & scotch, but if it's gonna be rum, I want the one with warning labels.
 Didn't we have a UBports/Yumi stickerpack? Who's the maintainer of that?
[20:34] <ubptgbot> OneCoder was added by: OneCoder
 @trainailleur, es
 @trainailleur, [Edit] Yes
 @Flohack, Thanks.  I'll start looking for deals on the 128 GB 3T.
 Guys.. which version of xenial are you trying to base now? 16.04.xx?
 @technicalbird, there is only one version of xenial. the HWE updates are irrelevant because the phones/tablets don't use the ubuntu kernels, nor Xorg
 the only bits of X used are for Xmir to translate X apps to mir display, which means no mesa and such
 Oh.. ok
 #QnA The community transcript is live! https://github.com/ubam/community/blob/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna/2018-03-03_24.md
 @OneCoder, Hello Claire. A good way to find out more about UBports is to read this link. We also have Telegram groups in various languages, including French https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Stereofont, Thank you.
 Anything we can help you with?
 You are a developer?
 No, just a user. But if is possible to develop something with java, i can try
 I have a nexus 7 2012 wi-fi with android 5.1.1, and i wish to put on ubports.
 @OneCoder, Perhaps you find interesting https://www.innerzaurus.com/
 @OneCoder, It is not a supported device and never will be.
 I mean, it would be if someone ported to it, no?
 The hardware is not suitable
 But no one has done that.
 it was supported 4 years ago
 we had to drop it because Tegra
 well, 4.5 years ago i guess maybe
 even android is incredibly unusable on a 2012 nexus 7
 and after we switched to mir off surfaceflinger, it was even less usable with ubuntu
 (i have a 2012 nexus 7 sitting here that i can't sell and can't use, that i bought so long ago to test ubuntu stuff on, when it was supported)
 @dohbee, New versions of android only. Custom rom like CyanogenMod for nexus are avaible for download
 i mean yeah, android runs on it, but it is abysmally slow
 anything newer than about 4.2 is anyway
 @dohbee, If it is a 2013 wifi verson Lineage is an option. … https://download.lineageos.org/flo
 and 4.2 is only slightly better by the tiniest bit
 @AlexiPistonrod, 2013 nexus 7 can run ubports
 that's not the issue
 Good
 we are talking about 2012 (grouper)
 ahh ok
 I'm new here...
 @OneCoder, Welcome then..
 flo/deb are fine and qualcomm devices
 grouper is tegra
 Uggg figures then
 Oh well .. sell it get a decent phone ;)
 @AlexiPistonrod, happy to. will you buy it? :)
 Is there an emulator running on Ubuntu desktop ?
 @AlexiPistonrod, Thank you
 Christ no.. :P I already have far too many phones. Some of which are bricks atm waiting for me to make a rom for them.
 Actually now  I am here.. anyone heard of ubports running on a Firefox phone ?
 @OneCoder, No. You can run unity 8 on ubuntu inside an x86 VM though
 some small differences in how things work, but it's good for testing things and such
 @AlexiPistonrod, there's no port for it, afaik
 Really weird that given that Firefox OS ran on it. and all the code it out there.. *sighs* Pity as I quite liked the hardware.. dual sim NFC Bluetooth 3G etc..
 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Archive/B2G_OS/Phone_guide/Flame
 Quite how that cannot be supported I have no idea.. but oh well..
 It would be a lovely device to run sailfish on..
 Well i guess nobody has any
 I have!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
 Also, if it's not got Android underneath, it's going to be even more of a pain to port to
 where's the kernel source? device drivers? firmware?
 It didn't it had Mozzilla undrpinnings.. Gaia and Gecko..
 i don't mean for the UI
 Think it is still on github somewhere ..
 i mean for the HAL level
 #QnA The community transcript is now online and open for translation! Have anyone in you Language group not being able to follow and ask everyone what the main points were? Just translate these notes! https://github.com/ubam/community/blob/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna/2018-03-03_24.md … For assistance on how to get your trans
[21:34] <ubptgbot> lation up ask me or any other UBAM member
 [Edit] #QnA The community transcript is now online and open for translation! Have anyone in you Language group not being able to follow and ask everyone what the main points were? Just translate these notes! … https://github.com/ubam/community/blob/transcript-QnA/transcripts/qna/2018-03-03_24.md … For assistance on how to get y
[21:34] <ubptgbot> our translation up ask me or any other UBAM member
 git://github.com/mozilla-b2g/B2G.git
 https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
 @dohbee, postmarketOS supports the flame I think. Also it looks like B2G is just android 4 - 5 with custom ui, but still using the bionic c lib
 @OneCoder, This group is quite busy. If you would like to discuss possible devices and app development etc I suggest you join the Welcome & Install group for a while
 @AlexiPistonrod, Looks like it's built on top of AOSP, so Ubuntu should be portable to it then. Have at it! :)
 oh wow.. someone is still mainting it. .crap not looked at that for ages..
 there is an Android-L version for my flame.. cool
 Even better if they've updated it to kernel 4.4 and android 7.1
 Building it now.
 oh that's just android 5
 so i guess maybe it's still on kernel 3.4, or maybe 3.10 if lucky
 ummm yeah .. just a bit better than KK though haha
 Has anyone got any details on the librrem 5?
 I would not consider 3.10 "lucky"
 @SecretlyTaco, Come back in 12 months?
 @SecretlyTaco, Purism. That is it.
 @UniversalSuperBox, well, for a 3 year old dead phone, i would
 so many cheap chinese phones that were used for things at that time, even only had android 4.0 available at best
 Yeah.. better than what is on it atm.. of course.. if you want to port UBbports to it... .Ahemm..
 @SecretlyTaco, They opened an issue on my Plasma Mobile packaging repo recently, that's the latest news I have :) They seem to be interested in Plasma Mobile, that's the only thing I can interpret into that
 @AlexiPistonrod, If it has at least kernel 3.2 and android 5, it should be portable with halium-5.1
 3.2 is pushing it, though
 I'll tell  you what kernel in a sec.. it is pulling the git down now.
 Awww crap not looked at this in 2 years and it updating a whole load of crap.. *sighs*
 Hmm I see aosp mashmallow flying by..
 Yes, because those branches exist upstream
 Don't get your hopes up too high
 hehe.. well I'll just let it do it's thing and have a look at it when it has finished..
 @dohbee How can you discuss in the supergroup and in the same time comment on all those issues?
 See that;
 (Photo, 592x672) https://irc.ubports.com/Odu4aHDS.png
 Gimme a break 😆
 @Flohack, i'm a god?
 seems like, at least I cannot read comments faster than you write 😆
 @dohbee, i can confirm that
 lol
 meh, now i'm afraid of bricking my h10
 If you're a god, get a line to Yahweh and ask him for changelogs :)
 "Changelogs are for suckers." -- Yahweh
 Would love to see his first changelog over the 7 days.
 "Make everything, basically … Bug fixes and performance improvements"
 git rebase -i HEAD~7
 @UniversalSuperBox, And "Try Now"
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsZbL-Akms
 "Why'd Father give these humans free will? Now they're confused..."
 "fucking cvs" definitely does not give me the results i was looking for, on ddg
 oh well
 @Flohack, guess i was kind of bored, and subconsciously avoiding doing all the other things i really need to do :-/
 Oh
 I know this, ahppens to me at work nearly daily
 Especially when I need to go into the SAP system to order smth
 oh SAP :(
 but hopefully i made some helpful comments on thos bugs
 yep
[22:51] <ubptgbot> chronosmsx was added by: chronosmsx
 Hello Michael. To get up to speed with what is happening with UBports check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 http://t.me/UBports_Ru
 https://wccftech.com/42-android-banking-trojan/
 one more reason to avoid those devices, or get them ported with good stuff like lineage and ubports
 oh wow. one's a bq phone. and another is the tesla phone
 i guess probably all of those phones are also on mtk
 oh wow that's BAD!
 indeed
 Hey @mariogrip is nexus5 16.04 using different drivers than the 15.04 images or something? I can't play any videos at all, let alone get the wrong color space.
 was poking to see if i could see what's going on there, but i can't play anything :-/
 @dohbee, The is a little different, not much. video is different
 hmm
 so it broke the gstreamer plug-in i guess?
 @dohbee, I think it needs a rebuild, it's still from the overlay ppa. so I need to import it
 oh
 @peternerlich, nice work buddy
 @peternerlich, want to push that to the news channel @wayneoutthere?
 @peternerlich, not sure... if I do...bring to marketing group maybe for discussion...  i may catch up here over next few hours