[06:18] <Alabaster> hello if anyone is awake
[06:34] <flocculant> Alabaster: if you're after support then you need #ubuntu
[06:34] <flocculant> and hello ;)
[07:35] <didrocks> good morning
[07:36] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[07:46] <Laney> hey hey!
[07:49] <didrocks> hey Laney ;)
[07:50] <Laney> hey didrocks :'(
[07:50] <Laney> hugs
[07:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:57] <darkxst> hey seb128, Laney
[07:57] <seb128> hey Tim
[08:04] <darkxst> seb128, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gnome-shell-search-providers/4322
[08:07] <seb128> darkxst, thanks for raising that up, we don't plan to snap much of the things you listed
[08:08] <seb128> calculator is interesting, need to think what we do, if we want that feature in the dash and how useful it is
[08:08] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ one more issue of you want to snap gnome-software
[08:09] <kenvandine> seb128, darkxst: yeah, i saw that
[08:09] <darkxst> calculator is one of those thing you have no idea how many people have discovered
[08:10] <seb128> I didn't for sure
[08:16] <darkxst> seb128, it was added way back, while you guys were in unity land
[08:16] <darkxst> Overview of changes in gnome-calculator 3.13.3
[08:16] <darkxst> * New : Calculator search provider (Michael Catanzaro)
[08:18] <seb128> right, I mean as an user I never saw it used or knew you could that in GNOME
[08:19] <darkxst> yes, and probably there are 1000's of GNOME users that don't know either
[08:23] <darkxst> but it certainly becomes a big issue if you snap any of the more common ones
[08:23] <darkxst> things like nautilus or software etc
[08:26] <seb128> yeah, not this cycle, except maybe gnome-software so we need to look at this one
[08:29] <darkxst> ok
[08:47] <Nafallo> salut
[08:50] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[08:51] <seb128> hey Nafallo ricotz, how are you?
[08:51] <ricotz> darkxst, jbicha, hi, looks like gnome-session 3.27.91-0ubuntu1 is a bit broken and some binary packages are empty
[08:52] <ricotz> seb128, heya, I am good, I hope you too?
[08:52] <seb128> ricotz, I am, thanks :)
[08:53] <seb128> ricotz, can you open a bug and tag it block-proposed?
[08:54] <ricotz> I assume a simple install-test is already performed before letting it transitioned?
[08:54] <ricotz> which fails in postinst due to the missing files
[08:54] <seb128> bug #1753403 I guess
[08:54] <ubot5`> bug 1753403 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "package gnome-session-bin 3.27.91-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: installed gnome-session-bin package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753403
[08:54] <kenvandine> Trevinho, https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/taskcluster/docker/firefox-snap/snapcraft.yaml.in#72
[08:55] <seb128> tagged that one
[08:55] <Trevinho> kenvandine: thanks
[08:55] <kenvandine> you can ignore the part that installs mime-handler.xml
[08:55] <kenvandine> but the rest of that
[08:55] <seb128> ricotz, but yeah, https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-bionic/bionic/amd64/s/software-properties/20180305_075947_b01aa@/log.gz
[08:55] <Trevinho> kenvandine: ahhhh... actully it was something I was experimenting too without having seen it. I think the same could be done for icon caches too, since they should not mention paths.
[08:56] <darkxst> ricotz, it was working fine on gnome3-staging
[08:56] <ricotz> darkxst, with the meson changes?
[08:56] <darkxst> yes
[08:57] <Trevinho> kenvandine: also there's a problem with that when multiple parts depend on icons or other stuff (like when you reuse a deb package depending on that desktop stuff, as it wil bring it in its part, then this thing should be replicated
[08:57] <Trevinho> or... maybe build-attributes: [no-system-libraries] would avoid that?
[08:58] <ricotz> darkxst, I see, please take a look, there are a lot of dh_missing warnings
[08:59] <ricotz> would be good to use --fail-missing
[09:02] <darkxst> ricotz, yes will look
[09:04] <seb128> the ppa build has the same issue https://launchpadlibrarian.net/359306064/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.gnome-session_3.27.90.1-0ubuntu0~bionic3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:05] <seb128> or less, hum
[09:13] <Trevinho> desktoppers: see https://gitlab.gnome.org/3v1n0/nautilus/commits/ubuntu-3-26
[09:22] <seb128> that gnome-session build is weird
[09:40] <darkxst> seb128, ricotz, not too sure what is going on the files are there in the sbuild chroot but can't be found?
[09:40] <seb128> they are not getting installed by dh_install
[09:46] <ricotz> darkxst, having override_dh_install without calling dh_install inside it seems weird
[09:50] <ricotz> darkxst, replacing "dh_install --list-missing" with just "dh_missing --list-missing" is not same thing
[09:51] <seb128> yeah, that seems screwed
[09:51] <seb128> override_dh_install:
[09:51] <seb128> 	dh_missing --list-missing
[09:51] <seb128> 	dh_migrations
[09:51] <darkxst> ricotz, right, not sure how that happened
[09:52] <seb128> and that's diff between ppa and upload to the archive
[09:54] <darkxst> oh crap, let me finish dinner and then I will fix it ;)
[10:36] <seb128> kenvandine, the deb does "[pid 23964] open("/usr/share/locale/fr_FR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk30.mo", O_RDONLY <unfinished ...>"
[10:37] <kenvandine> oh
[10:37] <kenvandine> fr_FR
[10:37] <seb128> it tries fr as well
[10:58] <seb128> jbicha, seems like the webkit update made deja-dup not happy
[10:58] <seb128> bug #1752950
[10:58] <ubot5`> bug 1752950 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "deja-dup-monitor crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_once_slow()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752950
[11:01] <darkxst> I reverted the dh_missing brain fade, but still failing to build
[11:02] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, willcooke, hum, another (less important) issue with GNOME snaps, the "help" isn't working since it can't open the viewer
[11:02] <seb128> or help: url aren't handled by xdg-open-snap
[11:04] <darkxst> I will sort it out tomorrow
[11:20] <jibel> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/casper/disable_snapd_refresh_timer/+merge/340739
[11:21] <Laney> thx
[11:26] <Nafallo> hmm. is there an easy way to test that graphics driver are in full speed mode on 16.04 Unity desktop? :-)
[11:29] <sarnold> I've used glxgears for that in the past but I don't know if it is still reasonable :)
[11:29] <Nafallo> /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[11:29] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:32] <jbicha> seb128: btw, GNOME Characters has a GNOME Shell search provider too (search for an emoji, click on the result and it puts the emoji in your clipboard so you can paste it somewhere)
[11:33] <seb128> jbicha, that doesn't sound like useful/anything an user would do
[11:33] <seb128> was this a workaround from the time gtk didn't have a picker?
[11:33] <jbicha> some users use it…
[11:34] <seb128> rrright
[11:34] <seb128> some users rely also on sitting on spacebar to heat your hands :)
[11:35] <jbicha> ok, I'm suggesting we don't switch any other apps to snaps that have a gnome-shell search provider
[11:35] <Laney> 💩
[11:35] <seb128> I'm suggesting we make those work
[11:35] <jbicha> on the other hand, I expect snaps to be updated a lot more frequently so maybe it's not that big of a deal since this sounds fixable
[11:36] <jbicha> btw, also LP: #1753146
[11:36] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1753146 in gnome-characters (Ubuntu) "Characters Snap doesn't have color emoji" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753146
[11:38] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ one for you, might autoresolve when we rebuild our snaps on core 18
[11:38] <seb128> kenvandine, seems to be because it was build an older cairo version
[11:38] <kenvandine> hmm
[11:38] <kenvandine> maybe i need a newer cairo in the ppa
[11:39] <jbicha> maybe, that was my guess at least
[11:39] <kenvandine> it sounds plausible
[11:39] <kenvandine> i'll investigate
[11:39] <kenvandine> but i really just want to get all this stuff rebuilt against 18.04
[11:39] <kenvandine> need to nag folks about that this week
[11:40] <seb128> right
[11:40] <seb128> jbicha, but thanks for pointing out the search issue, we are going to see what we can do about that
[11:40] <seb128> but for now lunch
[11:40] <seb128> bbl
[13:33] <andyrock> robert_ancell: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/25/pipelines
[13:42] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/commit/?id=77ff1d9
[13:43] <robert_ancell> andyrock, looks like the CI system failed
[13:43] <andyrock> yeah it failed with docker
[13:43] <andyrock> not sure why
[13:43] <andyrock> robert_ancell: ^^^
[13:59] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-6.0.2/bionic/0ubuntu1/
[14:31] <jbicha> the deja-dup issue is probably webkit's fault, I pointed it out to mcatanzaro but we're waiting for the retracer to process the bug
[14:33] <andyrock> robert_ancell: one more https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/26
[14:34] <andyrock> sorry about that... I didn't notice before
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/358386915/Stacktrace.txt ?
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, 1751460 seems to be the same one?
[14:34] <seb128> (that stacktrace comes from that one)
[14:34] <seb128> flexiondotorg, ^
[14:35] <flexiondotorg> seb128: ack
[14:36] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: can we mark the others a duplicate of that one then?
[14:36] <jbicha> s/ can you
[14:36] <seb128> jbicha, is there an upstream report for it?
[14:36] <jbicha> not yet
[14:36] <seb128> jbicha, also the webkit agent, where is the fix commited?
[14:37] <jbicha> the useragnet fix is in Debian git, I commented on the bug with some more details
[14:38] <seb128> k, thanks
[14:38] <jbicha> we're expecting 2.19.92 this week so unless you wanted it sooner, I was just going to wait and sync it then
[14:38] <seb128> that sounds good
[14:38] <seb128> jbicha, also https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/1cb4cac20da28ca548347a91c680a944708c65ed seems a new error
[14:39] <seb128> while you are talking to upstream about segfaults&such :)
[14:41] <jbicha> errors is a bit of pain because you have to try to dig for clues as to what is happening and you can't ask the user for more details
[14:41] <jbicha> it's also a pain to share upstream
[14:43] <seb128> well sometime the stacktrace speaks for itself
[14:43] <seb128> but yeah, it's best when there is a corresponding launchpad report
[14:45] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, seb128: Added a comment with my view about installation of language packs:
[14:45] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1727710/comments/15
[14:45] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1727710 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Unable to access more than 20 languages in 1080p" [High,In progress]
[14:45] <GunnarHj> I hope you can pay a bit attention to this soon. ;)
[14:47] <seb128> let's see if we can pick that up a bit this week
[14:47] <seb128> I still don't understand what is needed to fix it properly and what is doable this cycle
[14:47] <seb128> or what workaround we can use
[14:53] <robert_ancell> andyrock, can you rebase
[15:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'll try to be patient a few more days.
[15:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: A simpler question: Should we drop the translation template for Synaptic from LP? (bug #1701170)
[15:14] <ubot5`> bug 1701170 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "missing closing b tag in german translation of downgrade action label" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701170
[15:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, or use X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpacks
[15:18] <seb128> same discussion as for fcitx
[15:18] <seb128> either way wfm
[15:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, I would keep langpack enabled, easier to fix issues for translators
[15:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah. And people tend to still like Synaptic, even if it was put to universe. So let's add X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpacks.
[15:22] <jbicha> GunnarHj: it looks like https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-evolution/unstable/evolution/debian/control?view=markup by the way
[15:22] <jbicha> line 11
[15:25] <flexiondotorg> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/more-minimal/+merge/340759
[15:25] <seb128> flexiondotorg, thx
[15:27] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks, I knew. ;)
[15:33] <jbicha> oh, oops
[15:33] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/2.19.91-1ubuntu2~bionic1.5.1 meant to go into a ppa, thus the funny version number
[15:42] <mgedmin> when I run /usr/bin/gtimelog from the .deb I get this error on startup:
[15:42] <mgedmin> (gtimelog:17630): Gtk-WARNING **: Could not load image 'gtimelog.png': Nepavyko atverti failo „/usr/share/gtimelog/gtimelog.png“: No such file or directory
[15:43] <mgedmin> and if you go to the app-menu (Super+F10 in gnome-shell) and choose About, you see a broken icon
[15:43] <mgedmin> also, hitting <F1> shows yelp with an error about URI help:gtimelog/index not matching any pages (I'm translating from lt_LT, original English phrasing might differ)
[15:47] <mgedmin> actually I get the first problem with git master as well
[15:48] <mgedmin> apparently I was relying on gtimelog.png being installed somewhere system-wide by the older .deb package I had installed
[15:49] <mgedmin> wait, no, that's not it
[15:49] <mgedmin> oops I was testing the ppa branch rather than master
[15:50] <mgedmin> master works fine
[15:56] <didrocks> xnox: small question, is scripts/plugininstall.py always ran in the same process than the frontend or it's another process? It seems to be like a script, but I see it imported and not executed, hence this question…
[15:57] <xnox> didrocks, i believe "both"
[15:57] <xnox> is the most correct answer
[15:57] <didrocks> interesting…
[15:57] <didrocks> sounds like thus the telemetry should be more attached to the frontend, as we have other data to collect, and not only "install time" ones
[15:57] <xnox> there is one running in ubiquity (i.e. the live-installer side of things) and i believe another one is launched, in-target / chrooted into target, before ubiquity is uninstalled from target....
[15:58] <xnox> didrocks, oem-config-gtk mode is also a thing.....
[15:59] <didrocks> xnox: oem-config-gtk is running plugininstall as well?
[15:59] <xnox> didrocks, i think so....
[15:59] <didrocks> I thought that was the second step thing
[15:59] <xnox> didrocks, oem-config-gtk is one more ubiquity frontend. it's not a separate thing in fact, it's just a subset of plugins/pages.
[15:59] <xnox> ie. no need to partition
[16:00] <xnox> but do need keyboard/language/wifi/user....
[16:00] <didrocks> I saw 4 frontends
[16:00] <didrocks> gtk/qt/debconf_ui/noninteractive
[16:02] <didrocks> it seems -config is really the second step thing
[16:02] <didrocks> and the install is done with noninteractive first
[16:02] <didrocks> from the code
[16:02] <didrocks> willcooke: I think telemetry vs oem installs have been discussed with Dustin, what was the thinking on this?
[16:06] <mgedmin> welp I've been talking in the wrong channel today, sorry everyone!
[16:11] <willcooke> didrocks, sorry, just out of a meeting, reading
[18:01] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Did you notice bug #1753136?
[18:01] <ubot5`> bug 1753136 in libgweather (Ubuntu) "Gettext package inconsistency" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753136
[18:01] <jbicha> yes, you said "let's wait for an upstream release" :)
[18:03] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I said "possibly". Would be bad if we shipped libgweather in 18.04 with that bug.
[18:04] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I trust that you know the best way to deal with it.
[18:04]  * jbicha giggles
[18:05] <jbicha> GunnarHj: have you done gitlab merge requests before? could you convert it into one here?
[18:05] <jbicha> GunnarHj: never mind, I can push it without that…
[18:05] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Unfortunately I have failed (multiple times) to create a gitlab.gnome.org account.
[18:06] <jbicha> could you file an issue for that? lol
[18:06] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Any idea where? It's kind of a moment 22.
[18:07] <jbicha> sorry for the bad joke. Could you ask in #sysadmin on irc.gnome.org ?
[18:08] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for the tip. Will do.
[18:08] <jbicha> https://wiki.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Contact
[18:08] <jbicha> maybe emailing accounts @ gnome.org would be better
[18:09] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[19:18] <jbicha> Laney: any chance you could do a packagekit 1.1.9 release? hughsie recommends it alongside gnome-software 3.27.92
[21:03] <Alabaster> I have a question if I may ask
[21:03] <Alabaster> ?
[21:03] <tjaalton> "don't ask to ask, just ask"
[21:04] <Alabaster> ha
[21:04] <Alabaster> Under permissions for home folder should Owner say literally the word "Me" in my main account or my username?
[21:04] <Alabaster> Sorry I'm a noob
[21:05] <Alabaster> and under Group a dropdown box with Group: Linux
[21:07] <jbicha> Alabaster: yes, it's supposed to say "Me" :)
[21:07] <Alabaster> Thanks jbicha