[00:02] <guiverc> Rukus, what version of Ubuntu?
[00:03] <wencher> hey guys. what's the procedure to upgrade 17.10 to mitigate meltdown and spectre? the doco says that kernel packages have been released but my desktop is still vulnerable
[00:04] <wencher> (having installed those kernel upgrades)
[00:04] <guiverc> wencher, if you update (using supported kernels) you'll receive all patches
[00:05] <wencher> guiverc: i did. i ran https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker afterwards but still says vulnerable to s1,s2 and meltdown
[00:06] <guiverc> wencher, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[00:07] <wencher> guiverc: yeah. so it says metldown is Y. but when i test it says, i am still vulnerable to meltdown
[00:07] <wencher> (for amd64 on 17.10)
[00:09] <wencher> guiverc: do you use 17.10 and if so, can you give me your kernel image version please?
[00:09] <wencher> could be that au mirror is fscked up
[00:09] <OerHeks> not until intel releases a new microcode, AFAIK
[00:10] <Scoop7> guys just beware that regular ff and ff developers edition suck, use ff nightly !
[00:10] <wencher> OerHeks: i did see *no* intel-microcode updates as well but that's related to s1 and s2 if i am not mistaken right?
[00:11] <certified> why is ff so slow on android?
[00:13] <bazhang> certified, ask android support, thats not topical here
[00:14] <guiverc> wencher, yeah i use 17.10 but not on this machine.  ubuntu is as supported (to my knowledge) as other OSes as it relies on intel fixes (last intel fix was withdrawn as I recall)
[00:15] <certified> its not a bug its a feature
[00:15] <certified> inteligent designed
[00:17] <certified> if i have AMD cpu do i get meltow mitigation?
[00:17] <wencher> guiverc: ok
[00:17] <OerHeks> sure, wait for the new hardware.
[00:17] <wencher> certified: you do
[00:17] <guiverc> certified, yep - microcode for amd I'm sure i saw
[00:18] <certified> but AMD dosent have meltdown bug
[00:19] <wencher> https://linuxhint.com/check-patch-spectre-meltdown-ubuntu/ is interesting.. the fella says he is using 17.10
[00:20] <guiverc> certified, nope, but m$ft fixed stuffed some amd's anyway... amd has spectre though
[00:20] <certified> seems like all cpu have it
[00:20] <certified> maybe risc dosent
[00:21] <guiverc> not all - but most  (almost all x86)
[00:21] <certified> arm isnt x86
[00:21] <guiverc> raspberry pi's don't :)   ubuntu-mate on pi's are golden!
[00:22] <certified> inst that using arm?
[00:23] <guiverc> yeah, armv7 in my pi2
[00:24] <certified> i think even gpus have it
[00:24] <certified> or they need new drivers
[00:25] <certified> gl geting new driver for my card
[00:25] <certified> its under legacy wont fix
[00:37] <tomreyn> Rukus: try this, then logout and login: sudo update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/*
[00:39] <tomreyn> Rukus: also check the root file system for errors sometime, just in case (i've seen such issues caused by file system incoherences in the past).
[00:56] <jjvvx> how do I search through locally installed packages
[00:57] <jjvvx> (apt-cache search)
[01:07] <love3> I tried using apt-get and this happened. https://pastebin.com/nktrRWhE What do I do?
[01:14] <OerHeks> love3, mint issue?
[01:15] <love3> yah
[01:15] <love3> lol how did you know?
[01:15] <OerHeks> (#linuxmint-help is on irc.spotchat.org
[01:15] <OerHeks> mint has its own issues.
[01:20] <pengwens> does anyone know the process for getting newer packages put into the synaptic repositories?
[01:21] <OerHeks> pengwens, find a PPA with newer versions, or you can plase a SRU on the list
[01:21] <OerHeks> !sru
[01:21] <OerHeks> *wish
[01:23] <pengwens> cool, thank you
[01:23] <OerHeks> mind that LTS versions are aimed on stability, not newer functions with updates, only security fixes.
[01:24] <OerHeks> versions in between might have newer sources ..
[01:31] <JavaGhost> if you use a LGPL library in your project, then you can't close your source ? and you can't also sell your app ?
[01:42] <wencher> looks like the issue was elsewhere
[01:42] <wencher> thanks fellas
[01:42] <wencher> (elsewhere = grub) :D
[01:43] <wencher> guiverc: ^ ty
[01:45] <JavaGhost> I just want to use a LPGPL library for making an app. now if I use a LGPL library in my project, then can I close my source ? and can I also sell my app ?
[01:45] <JavaGhost> LGPL*
[01:45] <Crell> JavaGhost: You can sell anything people are willing to give you money for.  If it's *GPL licensed, though, you cannot prevent them from reselling it or giving it away if they so choose.
[01:47] <JavaGhost> end-user*
[01:47] <JavaGhost> Crell: ty for responsing, so can I also close my app source and don't give end-use the source of application ?
[01:47] <Crell> If you're using someone else's LGPL library, you have to give your downstream customers/users access to the source of that library, but you are not required to give them access to the rest of the code outside of that library.
[01:47] <Crell> With various caveats around where the library boundary is that vary somewhat from one language to another depending on how exactly they work.
[01:49] <JavaGhost> Crell: for a library like jpf (in java for making plugin system in your app), jpf is LGPL, if I use it for my app, then I need just give a link of jpf source ?
[01:50] <Crell> Is it LGPLv2 or LGPLv3?
[01:50] <JavaGhost> it just said: it's lgpl http://jpf.sourceforge.net/
[01:51] <Crell> That probably means LGPLv2-and-later.  Especially if it's still on sourceforge. :-)
[01:51] <Crell> Ah, yes, LGPLv2.1.  At the top of the License page.
[01:52] <JavaGhost> Crell: Ah, and what that meaning for me ? :)
[01:52] <Crell> Strictly speaking, with *GPLv2 someone is allowed to request the code directly from you on a CD.  As a practical matter though, yes, stating that you're using it and linking to the official project page is sufficient in 99.3% of cases.
[01:53] <Crell> (IANAL TINLA, but I used to be the Director of Legal Affairs for an OSS foundation and worked with the Software Freedom Law Center on our policy statements, so I'm slightly above casual man-on-the-street knowledge.)
[01:53] <JavaGhost> Crell: this means that I can close my source, and in a "about menu" claim that I used that library, and also can sell my app yes ?
[01:54] <Crell> Yes.
[01:55] <Crell> All that said, beware the asterisk around library boundaries (I don't know the details for Java), and be aware that by releasing proprietary code you are telling your customers that you reserve the right to override their decisions about what their computer does.  Proprietary software is a form of control at a distance.
[01:55] <JavaGhost> Crell: thank you so much Crell you helped me a lot :*
[01:56] <JavaGhost> Crell: Ah, thank you !
[01:57] <Crell> Disclaimer: I'm a Free Software (rather than Open Source) advocate.  Propretary software is a form of oppression. :-)
[01:58] <MrKeuner> hi, I just upgraded to 18.04/17.10 not sure
[01:58] <JavaGhost> Crell: actually I'm makin an app but it's free, I just wanted to know wether I can sell it or not :) ty for helping
[01:58] <MrKeuner> Is there a way to uninstall all packages that are not in default installation?
[01:59] <Crell> Entirely unrelated question for the room: I want to increase the amount of swap space in my (K)Ubuntu 17.10 system.  I'm pretty sure it's a swap file, not swap partition. I was previously directed to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq, which talks about adding a swap file, but how would I resize one?  Just add a new one of the new size then deactivate the old one?  If so, how would I deactivate the old one?
[02:00] <Crell> JavaGhost: If you're making it no-cost you may as well make it Free Software as well. :-)
[02:00] <Ben64> Crell: swapoff /path/to/swapfile
[02:00] <Crell> And that persists reboots?
[02:00] <Ben64> no
[02:01] <Crell> Hm.
[02:02] <Crell> My fstab currently has this for swap: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 - That... suggests that I have to do a bit more to make it an encrypted swap file.  I'm used to not being able to write into /dev with fallocate.
[02:04] <MeaCulpa> crell: have you considered "If you find this app helpful, feel free to hit the 'donate' button?"
[02:04] <Crell> MeaCulpa: I think that was to JavaGhost?
[02:04] <MeaCulpa> sorry, not meaning to intrude
[02:04] <plague> jello
[02:06] <Crell> Not a problem, just directing the message to the likely audience. :-)
[02:06] <Crell> I'm here for help with swap files.  The GPL knowledge drop is just something I do.
[02:07] <Ben64> yeah i'm not sure about encrypted swap
[02:08] <Crell> Me either.
[02:41] <JavaGhost> Yes, :D donate is a great strategy
[03:32] <theBox> Hi people. I have a very strange problem. Using the ubuntu 4.13.0-32 kernel and a dracut initramfs, my hard drives remain unseen by the initramfs, with blkid from the initramfs showing nothing. nothing shows up in /sys/class/block/ either.  A custom compiled 4.15 kernel works though, is there any kernel option that could be responsible here?
[03:54] <kryojenik> I'm doing some testing with bionic and discovered that installing package zutils (via ansible) uninstalls all the zfs management components since zutils now has a conflict with zfsutils.
[03:56] <halvors> Why does ubuntu not create a swap partition when installing and selected auto?
[03:56] <guiverc> kryojenik, bionic questions should go to #ubuntu+1
[03:56] <kryojenik> thx
[04:04] <phillijw> when I log into my user, I see that /media/phillijw/Thing gets mounted. Can I tell it to mount with certain permissions somehow? is that fstab? because its not currently in fstab
[04:05] <hahei> join #odoo
[04:09] <jjvvx> how exactly do I use snaps? I just installed the snap for phpstorm but it's not in my $PATH
[04:10] <theBox> phillijw: you may want to try adding  mode=xxxx to the options field in fstab, see man mount, search for mode=
[04:11] <theBox> note that its & 0777
[05:07] <Pinkamena_D> ubuntu 16.04 - computer shuts down during boot process if AMD graphics card is installed. (booting windows with the exact same setup runs without issue). It literally is just going through the system services starting etc on the log screen and then the power just cuts with no warning.
[05:09] <tnss> hey
[05:39] <kandinski> can anybody help me on diagnosing and fixing this issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WVPpYqfCtZ/
[06:10] <outoftime_92> kandinski: reask time to time, it is usuaull question
[06:19] <Alabaster> hello if anyone is awake!
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> Alabaster: hello, we are :p
[06:20] <Alabaster> sorry to bother anyone but has anyone ever encountered after installing the arc ppa and messing around with Tweak tools when you boot up your Ubuntu VM or restart Desktop Icons dont show up unless I go into tweak tools and turn them off then on??
[06:21] <Alabaster> Or is because I am starting to use up over half my memory from not restarting my actual computer?
[06:21] <kandinski> outoftime_92: thanks
[06:21] <kandinski> I'll re-ask in a couple of hours
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> Alabaster: we dont support external ppa's mate, as they are a risk for the ubuntu system
[06:21] <Alabaster> my VM is getting awfully slow and taking more time to boot and when I go full screen it lags
[06:22] <Alabaster> is there anything you know that would maybe be a reason to cause the desktop icons not to show up when rebooting or booting up VM Ubuntu?
[06:25] <Alabaster> ok heres another question if I go into my home folder and check permissions it shows Owner as literally the word "me" is that normal? or should it be my username??
[06:27] <Alabaster> I am so at a loss here
[06:28] <Alabaster> is owner:"Me" odd?
[06:28] <Alabaster> the actual word "Me"
[06:28] <Alabaster> not Alabaster
[06:34] <acdriverview> dir!
[06:34] <acdriverview> !dir
[06:37] <acdriverview> !list
[06:47] <hackthekernel> Hey there! trying to use IRC
[06:47] <hackthekernel> anyone here
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> hackthekernel: whats up?
[06:49] <hackthekernel> Nothing.
[06:49] <hackthekernel> Just excited to start this beautiful journey with computers
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> hackthekernel: this channel is meant for ubuntu support only
[06:55] <hackthekernel_> Thanks.
[07:11] <Thraspic> My webhost won't let me configure TTL in my DNS settings.  Should I pout like a baby and cry n stuff, or is there a practical solution?
[07:12] <tonywb> Hi I can't get my linux system to wake up after suspend on hdmi monitor. It wakes fine on vga monitor
[07:13] <Alabaster> sorry to bother anyone but I have a question if I may ask?
[07:13] <EriC^^> Alabaster: go ahead
[07:14] <Alabaster> Sometimes when I boot or reboot in my Ubuntu VM my desktop icons are gone until I go into tweak tools and turn them off and then turn them on
[07:15] <Alabaster> 16.04.04 of course
[07:16] <Alabaster> might you know what could cause that EriC?
[07:16] <EriC^^> Alabaster: no idea, are all the files in your home dir owned by you?
[07:17] <Alabaster> under permissions the say next to owner the word "Me" not Alabaster but "Me" is that odd for it to say that??
[07:18] <EriC^^> i dont think so, try "sudo find ~ ! -user $USER"
[07:18] <Alabaster> one sec will do
[07:19] <Alabaster> what should it read out?
[07:20] <EriC^^> it shouldnt give anything back
[07:20] <Alabaster> three lines
[07:21] <Alabaster> says home linux .dbus session-bus .cache/dconf
[07:22] <Alabaster> it wont let put the / in this chat
[07:22] <XXCoder> you cant START chat line with /
[07:22] <XXCoder>  /example
[07:23] <XXCoder> I added space and its fine
[07:23] <Alabaster> it says first line / home / linux / .dbus
[07:23] <Alabaster>  then / home / linux / .dbus / session-bus
[07:23] <EriC^^> Alabaster: try sudo chown -R $USER: ~
[07:23] <EriC^^> as your user
[07:24] <Alabaster> nothing
[07:24] <EriC^^> ok, maybe it will work better now
[07:24] <Alabaster> do I type my name in there somewhere?
[07:24] <EriC^^> no
[07:26] <Alabaster> I wonder how do I change in the file manager owner:Me to Alabaster??
[07:26] <EriC^^> Alabaster: i think it just works that way, it means you're the owner
[07:26] <Alabaster> owner:Me Group:linux
[07:27] <EriC^^> yeah it's not a problem
[07:27] <Alabaster> I hope so. seems weird the owner says "Me". I mean you're probably right. Just silly for Ubuntu
[07:29] <Alabaster> its also taking more time to start up and when I full screen the system just stalls for minutes
[07:29] <Alabaster> yep I restarted and the icons worked. Did a full reboot and no Desktop icons. weird
[07:30] <Alabaster> its odd because I guess gnome isn't throwing them up until I reset it in tweak tools
[07:31] <ikonia> create a new user and repeat the test
[07:31] <ikonia> it maybe something to do with your user settings, rather than a problem
[07:34] <Alabaster> good idea ikonia
[07:36] <tonywb> I have a question about my hdmi monitor not wakeing up after suspend please
[07:40] <guiverc> tonywb, you may not get a answer because people in the room don't have one, but thank you for your patience (I saw your prior post too)
[07:41] <tonywb> OK. I was thinking I had to wait in line
[07:44] <Alabaster> yeah when I restart the whole VM Ubuntu on another user Desktop Icons automatically start with it
[07:46] <Alabaster> in fact the group in Permissions says the username. On my original account it says Linux.
[08:03] <meteorx> .......?
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> meteorx: better not login to irc as root
[08:31] <Amichai> After one of the recent updates to Ubuntu Xenial, a link to an executable shell script on the desktop stopped working. When I double click it it opens the file with Gedit instead of running the script
[08:32] <ikonia> look at the properties of that link
[08:32] <ikonia> look at the permissions on the script, making sure it is actually executable
[08:33] <hatori> Доброе время суток.
[08:33] <ikonia> !ru | hatori
[08:36] <TheMythPT> hello guys. weirdly, my touchpad have the edge scrolling in the wrong order. when i slide down content goes up and when i slide up content goes down. any ideas?
[08:37] <Xano> I'm trying to make notify-send target specific users by switching to each individual user (su or sudo) prior to calling notify-send. However, when testing with my own user (switching to myself) in a terminal this does not show the message in my GUI, not even after applying the tips from https://www.christianroessler.net/tech/2015/send-desktop-notifications-with-notify-send-to-other-users-from-within-cron-script.html
[08:40] <ikonia> Xano: that sounds like a bad way of sending notifies
[08:40] <ikonia> and quite a secuirty hole being created just for a notify
[08:42] <TheMythPT> i mean, when i slide down in my touchpad edge scrolling, i expect to see the scroll bar of a web page, i.e, to scroll down to and happens exactly the opposite. but on mouse, the scroll wheel works fine
[08:44] <Xano> ikonia, It's for a script that will run as a root cron job or as the local user anyway.
[08:45] <kandinski> can anybody help me on diagnosing and fixing this issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WVPpYqfCtZ/
[08:45] <Xano> ikonia, So if you can't switch to the user you want to send notifications to, that's your problem.
[08:45] <Xano> (I figured)
[08:46] <geirha> each user should run this in their sessions instead
[08:48] <TheMythPT> oops. solved the issue. "Natural Scrolling" isn't that natural :x
[08:52] <Xano> geirha, Well it's a back-up script and the currently logged-in user may not have access to all the paths that need to be backed up, but they do want to be notified of back-up errors.
[08:54] <geirha> well, then I'd have the cronjob write this notification to a certain location. Then all users can run a separate script in their session (e.g. via startup applications), that watches that location and does the send-notify when something's up
[09:00] <mohsen_> i
[09:00] <mohsen_> hi
[09:00] <mohsen_> what is here
[09:33] <adalbert> Hi, could anyone help me with certbot and apache2 ? I've made certificate for and https to my apache2 server is working.  But when I create a virtual host on apache2 with the same domainname and certificate it doesn't work anymore.
[09:37] <deem> adalbert: how does your vhost config look like?
[09:38] <adalbert> deem: sec, i'll pastebin it
[09:40] <adalbert> This is the one that's working, the default-ssl.conf , https://pastebin.com/vD2MHh0A
[09:42] <adalbert> When I use this one, https is not verified no more ... https://pastebin.com/DyPqRtm5
[09:43] <deem> adalbert: did you restarted apache after enabling the configuration?
[09:43] <adalbert> deem: ofcourse
[09:46] <deem> adalbert: seems like a client problem on your side. it's trusted. https://pastebin.com/r2nU1BmZ
[09:47] <deem> adalbert: also you can point your config directly to /etc/letsencrypt/live/<yourdomain>/fullchain.pem etc, so you will use the correct certificate after renewing
[09:48] <adalbert> deem: oke, i'll restart my apache2 to the vhost now, can you do the same log again in a minute ?
[09:49] <adalbert> deem: we can check for a difference ?
[09:49] <adalbert> deem: it's restarted
[09:50] <adalbert> deem: https is no longer verified :(
[09:50] <deem> adalbert: cause it's a different certificate now
[09:51] <adalbert> deem: what do you mean, i'm using the same .crt ?
[09:51] <deem> adalbert: https://pastebin.com/JuDDZCNe
[09:51] <deem> the webserver is answering with a self signed certificate now
[09:52] <adalbert> deem: i see
[09:52] <adalbert> deem: how do i fix it?
[09:52] <deem> you should check your configs again
[09:55] <jeblad> Seems like Firefox (?) has begun to open some (?) videos in a muted fashion. Anybody with any information on this?
[09:57] <lovilr> is .deb a compiled file
[09:57] <lovilr> or can it also be a source file?
[09:57] <fstoltz> Hi, I was messing about with changing the language for menus etc, and out of the blue, suddenly all my files and folders from $HOME is showing up on my desktop. If I remove them, it removes the actual folder aswell. Is there anyway to remove this? I do not know what make this happen. Thank you
[09:59] <lovilr> is .deb  a binary?
[10:06] <EriC^^> fstoltz: try to run "nautilus -q" then open the file manager again
[10:10] <fstoltz> EriC^^: Running nautilus -q removed everything from the desktop, though as soon as I opened nautilius again, it comes back..
[10:12] <EriC^^> did you try logging out and back in?
[10:13] <fstoltz> Nope, but I've logged in/out several times and it's stayed like that. But I'll give it a try, running nautilus -q and then logout & back in. brb 1 sec
[10:15] <fstoltz> EriC^^: Nope, still there when I log in.
[10:15] <fstoltz> EriC^^: Any other suggestions?
[10:17] <adalbert> deem: still there mate?
[10:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:18] <halt> Is there any tool for ubuntu where I can lock a folder with password or gpg encryption, I want to use cloud storages but I can't just upload my data to someone else, so want to enrcipt locally first, I found solutions like restic which is great for backup but can't have a live mount, or  thinngs like cryptomator but that is java based :(
[10:19] <khyrthy> hello
[10:20] <Ben64> halt: you can use gpg
[10:21] <deem> adalbert: sure. did you checked your configs?
[10:21] <fstoltz> Anyone knows how to stop all my folders & files in $HOME appearing on my desktop? I'm not sure what caused it to show, I was messing about with languages and suddenly all my home folder & files popped up on the desktop.
[10:21] <adalbert> deem: it's working now , i'll post the config i've used ,sec .
[10:21] <halt> Ben64: and how can I live mount that ? I know how to lock a folder into a zip but how can I keep interacting with the content of the folder
[10:21] <Triffid_Hunter> halt: ecryptfs?
[10:22] <adalbert> deem: https://pastebin.com/WLRUKa3a
[10:23] <khyrthy> hi, darkhunter
[10:23] <khyrthy> : \
[10:23] <deem> adalbert: did your default configuration used another cert or why did it changed?
[10:23] <khyrthy> hi, cewood
[10:24] <adalbert> deem: yes , this is the default i was using but didn't work
[10:24] <adalbert>  https://pastebin.com/DyPqRtm5
[10:24] <halt> Triffid_Hunter: that looks interesting, do you have more example driven documentation then the http://ecryptfs.org/documentation.html
[10:25] <Triffid_Hunter> halt: nope, just came up when I asked google for per-directory encryption solutions in linux
[10:26] <halt> karma google ++
[10:29] <Fenhl> hello, could someone please help me set up mpd audio? This computer has multiple audio devices listed in the Settings app, but only physical audio output (a TV connected via HDMI). Audio in general is working as I can hear an mp3 file played from the Files app, but playing that same file in mpd does not produce sound. I've tried a few things in the mpd config but I'm probably missing something obvious
[10:29] <khyrthy> I'm feeling ignored
[10:30] <khyrthy> Hi, Leo
[10:30]  * JimBuntu stops ignoring khyrthy 
[10:31] <khyrthy> hi bigblind !
[10:31] <BluesKaj> khyrthy, don't feel ignored , this is  ubuntu's support chat, not a regular chat
[10:32] <JimBuntu> Good point BluesKaj ... all (most?) are welcome at #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:34] <khyrthy> BluesKaj, where can I find a regular chat ?
[10:35] <BluesKaj> guess he/she found one :-)
[10:36] <erdem> hello
[10:37] <random-6881> erdem: hi
[10:37] <erdem> i am running ubuntu server and just installed xfce, now i want to mount an encrypted hdd, double clicking it on dekstop prompt password input but as soon as i mount i get a permission error
[10:37] <xuhui> HI
[10:37] <erdem> already added my user to "disk" group
[10:38] <chelsea_> can anybody tell me how to get anbox to work? running ubuntu mate 16.0
[10:39] <erdem> "Not authorized to perform operation"
[10:39] <BluesKaj> chelsea_,rpi?
[10:39] <erdem> are there any other groups my user has to be part of?
[10:41] <chelsea_> rpi?
[10:41] <chelsea_> new to ubuntu
[10:45] <erdem> my app crashed, did i miss anything`
[10:45] <erdem> ?
[10:45] <JimBuntu> rpi = Raspberry Pi?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> chelsea_, ok then what's an anbox?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, exactly
[10:46] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, anbox = Android in a box. anbox.io
[10:48] <BluesKaj> right, kinda figured, then it's most likely an arm architecture cpu etc
[10:48] <chelsea_> :/
[10:49] <BluesKaj> I have a rpi3 ..works great with Raspbian OS
[10:49] <BluesKaj> chelsea_, ck what do you want to do with the anbox?
[10:56] <memeroute> hi
[10:56] <chelsea_> download android apps
[10:56] <memeroute> in ubuntu mate 16.04 is it possible to get a CPU temperature widget in the taskbar (raspberry pi3) ?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> chelsea_, I suggest you join the #android chat
[11:05] <chelsea_> join #android
[11:06] <BluesKaj> just click on #android
[11:28] <acalypopse> !s thor 2017
[11:31] <tannishpage> Hey. I have a Lenovo thinkpad e460 I am not able to go into my BIOS. I was wondering if I could use GRUB command-line (when you press c in GRUB menu) to access BIOS
[11:32] <JimBuntu> tannishpage, the GRUB command line isn't going to let you access BIOS, afaik
[11:33] <tannishpage> But when ubuntu is installed the GRUB menu allows you to boot into the BIOS.
[11:33] <tannishpage> JimBuntu:
[11:34] <JimBuntu> tannishpage, ? I will say that you *should* be able to enter BIOS via F1. Is there some specific reason you can't get into BIOS or an unknown issue?
[11:35] <tannishpage> JinBuntu: I have no clue what the problem is. I can't enter BIOS.
[11:35] <jaydemir> anyone familiar with PopOS?
[11:35] <jaydemir> It appears to be using Gnome3 and I'm wondering how to enable ALT to drag windows
[11:35] <jaydemir> seems like a silly omission
[11:36] <akik> jaydemir: try the windows/super key instead
[11:36] <jaydemir> akik: that did it
[11:36] <jaydemir> wow
[11:36] <jaydemir> why would they move it to that
[11:36] <akik> jaydemir: change because of .. change
[11:36] <jaydemir> >.>
[11:36] <jaydemir> thanks
[11:37] <JimBuntu> tannishpage, with your laptop completely powered off... if you press the power button and then keep pressing F1 a few times per second... you can't get into BIOS? Have you checked to make sure your F1 key is working? Are you, by any chance, trying to use an external keyboard?
[11:37] <akik> one of the most useful features in xorg
[11:38] <jaydemir> on what hardware is F1 bios? It's usually F10 or F12
[11:38] <JimBuntu> jaydemir, on the specific Lenovo laptop in question
[11:38] <jaydemir> oh lenovo
[11:38] <tannishpage> JimBuntu: (Its the enter key btw). I power off, i press enter and it boots into windows. It beebs once and boots into ubuntu
[11:38] <jaydemir> yeah good luck
[11:38] <tannishpage> ignore the last word
[11:38] <tannishpage> windows i meant
[11:39] <jaydemir> what version of Windows? Somehow 10 has this ability to hijack the hardware on boot so you have to be ridiculously quick
[11:39] <tannishpage> windows 10
[11:39] <JimBuntu> tannishpage, You need to make sure it's a complete power off with Windows, otherwise the F-keys will not work at reboot. You should also be able to tell it to reboot into the BIOS via Windows shutdown. 1 moment while I look up the exact command (not a Windows user)
[11:39] <jaydemir> lenovo also goes out of there way to make it unreasonably hard to install Linux on their machines
[11:40] <tannishpage> JimBuntu: ok
[11:40] <gulzar> tannishpage: reboot windows, Not shutdown
[11:40] <tannishpage> JimBuntu: I found the GRUB command to boot to bios using GRUB command line. Its fwsetup.
[11:41] <JimBuntu> tannishpage, https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/access-bios-windows-10
[11:41] <JimBuntu> Ah, yes
[11:43] <erdem> hello again#
[11:43] <erdem> im having a problem with a snap package, dont know how to work within the environment
[11:43] <erdem> do i have to "chroot" or smth like that?
[11:46] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think you have to do anything special once they're installed. To install you need sudo permission, then you can check it is installed by entering "snap list"
[11:49] <guiverc> erdem, what snap... for the snaps I use; i run them as normal apps.
[11:49] <erdem> just installed nextcloud
[11:49] <erdem> now i wanted to change the "data" directory
[11:50] <erdem> https://help.nextcloud.com/t/howto-change-move-data-directory-after-installation/17170
[11:50] <erdem> #
[11:50] <erdem> following this guide
[11:52] <erdem> https://nopaste.xyz/
[11:52] <erdem> this is how i run the first command
[11:52] <erdem> oh wrong link, one moment
[11:52] <erdem> https://nopaste.xyz/?8c87a0d196bdd6b7#p01yr8Ory5Ln8sLPnlZSur8Kd0I08J5F0g7JHIBD46s=
[11:56] <guiverc> erdem, i've never run a snap with `sudo` ... (i'm giving it a go ... busy)
[11:57] <erdem> $snap_name = getenv('SNAP_NAME');
[11:57] <erdem> 'path'=> '/snap/'.$snap_name.'/current/htdocs/apps',
[11:57] <guiverc> erdem, ok. if running a snap under my own id is fine, but when I used sudo my usual $PATH was gone so snap failed to be found...
[11:57] <erdem> in htdocs/config/config.php
[11:58] <erdem> seems like the env var is not set?
[11:58] <pragmaticenigma> I thought snaps were meant to run in normal user mode, and not require root access?
[11:59] <erdem> yes but if you work with the app within the snap you might need root, no?
[11:59] <pragmaticenigma> Especially server type ones, as you won't want to run web accessible services as a root user
[11:59] <erdem> because in my case all files belong to root:root within the snap
[12:00] <pragmaticenigma> Who the files belong to doesn't matter as long as they are executable/readable to all users
[12:01] <erdem> okay
[12:01] <pragmaticenigma> You're getting an error because nextcloud is not supposed to run as root, it doesn't have the proper environment variables setup for it.
[12:01] <guiverc> I don't like the sudo to run snaps either... it seems risky...
[12:01] <erdem> but somehow that env variable is not set
[12:01] <erdem> even if i run as normal user
[12:02] <pragmaticenigma> I would consult the documentation for nextcloud, and possibly try reaching out to their user group to see if anyone there has run into a similar issue
[12:03] <pragmaticenigma> If running as a normal user fails, maybe try removing the snap and installing again? following this guide: https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/
[12:04] <erdem> export SNAP_NAME=nextcloud
[12:04] <erdem> seems to fix the porblem but
[12:05] <erdem> Cannot write into "config" directory!
[12:05] <erdem> This can usually be fixed by giving the webserver write access to the config directory
[12:05] <erdem> seems like this command is not supposed to work within snaps?
[12:05] <erdem> because they are meant to always be read only?
[12:08] <pragmaticenigma> question: why are you trying to run a server as a snap?
[12:09] <erdem> it seemed like this would be a quick and easy way to set everything up
[12:09] <erdem> seems like its not
[12:09] <erdem> maybe i should manually install apache/sql/nextcloud etc
[12:09] <kallenp> What are the first steps after installing Ubuntu desktop ? What proprietery multimedia codecs ? Howto change menu fonts, etc. ? Any idea ? I am beginner. Thanks
[12:10] <guiverc> kallenp, there are tons of websites titled 10(15,5..) things to do after installing ubuntu - have you looked?
[12:11] <pragmaticenigma> erdem, if you intend this to be a permanent installation, i would go with installing from the repo instead... it will auto config most of it for you, and you can customize it after. Snaps just don't seem like a good idea to me for server type activities
[12:11] <kallenp> guiverc: can you send me link ?
[12:12] <erdem> pragmaticenigma, i will try that, thank you for your suggestion
[12:12] <guiverc> kallenp, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04-lts  (i didn't open it, but omg is usually good)
[12:15] <kallenp> guiverc: Verry thanks ! :-)
[12:16] <guiverc> kallenp, most welcome :)
[12:19] <kallenp> guiverc: thanks :-)
[12:23] <guiverc> kallenp, it is 16.04 LTS you are using right; if using 17.10 go for the 17.10 article... (17.10 uses gnome DEsktop, 16.04 uses Unity)
[12:23] <kengsley> hi
[12:23] <kallenp> guiverc: I am using 16.04 LTS
[12:23] <guiverc> :)
[12:24] <kengsley> somebody there ?
[12:24] <guiverc> yep Hi kengsley ; if you have a question, please just ask it.
[12:24] <kengsley> cool
[12:24] <kengsley> i'm using elementary os
[12:25] <kengsley> can you help me a tv software ?
[12:25] <kengsley> to find
[12:27] <DiecastMessiah> kengsley: you will have to check with elementary support, this is purly ubuntu support.
[12:28] <DiecastMessiah> there is a ubuntu flavor that is made for tv ..i think it mythTv or something . sorry i am pretty new to it all
[12:29] <DiecastMessiah> oh he left
[12:30] <guiverc> not a problem... i would have answered the same (ubuntu & official flavors like askubuntu where I'm more commonly at..)
[12:31] <DiecastMessiah> is there a ! elementary command on here?
[12:31] <guiverc> !mint
[12:31] <DiecastMessiah> !elementary
[12:32] <guiverc> / i was only trying that; I assume it was more common to have mint questions (it sure is on askubu)
[12:32] <DiecastMessiah> yeah me to i just to be sure there was one made for elem os
[12:33] <guiverc>   // I'm not sure i could spell elem.. :)
[12:34] <DiecastMessiah> i cannot lol. I read fine but spelling is whole other thing with me lol
[12:36] <Sircle> In apache How do I redirect all www urls to non www? I have done this but it seems not working https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9079136
[12:41] <elliot_> hi
[12:42] <guiverc> hi elliot_ , if you have a question please ask it.  if someone (available) knows the answer, they'll answer it or help you.
[12:43] <elliot_> i want a install software in ubuntu ?
[12:44] <guiverc> what version of ubuntu are you using elliot_ ?
[12:45] <elliot_> 16.04
[12:46] <guiverc> you can load ubuntu.software from the menu (click super or your windoze key then type software and it should appear) then navigate to what you want & click 'install'
[12:47] <elliot_> in terminal ??
[12:47] <guiverc> elliot_, for me; i know the apps i want, so go to command line and enter commands `sudo apt install vim` (to install vim editor, but only because I know it's 'vim' i want) -- ubuntu software lets you browse & pick using gui
[12:48] <guiverc> elliot_, if you like terminal; i `sudo apt install aptitude` then use `aptitude` to select my software (use aptitude if I don't know the name, eg. my vim example, way more than ubuntu.software)
[12:49] <guiverc> elliot_,  but if you know the name of the software you like, for example firefox, just enter the command `sudo apt install firefox`
[12:50] <elliot_> guiverc thanks :)
[12:50] <guiverc> elliot_, hold on... looking for something..
[12:52] <guiverc> elliot_, another really easy option; `sudo apt install ubuntu-mate-welcome` which contains (1) ubuntu-mate welcome screen, and (2) the mate-software-store..   it's option 2 that i like most; it contains some software not found in aptitude/ubuntu.software such as skype & other non-canonical software sources (it adds repos as necessary!)
[12:53] <guiverc> elliot_, note: ubuntu-mate-welcome is in universe; so universe must be enabled first
[13:02] <songden> hello
[13:02] <songden> why i can't create project in MonoDeveloper?
[13:07] <skjensen> Hi Guys, I'm having a bit of trouble connection a U-Blox SARA-U201 EVK modem to my laptop.  I have plugged it into the cellular native usb port on the device.  I can see from googling that others are getting 4 /dev/ttyACMx devices. I'm not getting any. I see this in syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ChH48DqcdS/
[13:08] <Triffid_Hunter> skjensen: either the device is broken or your usb port is broken,
[13:09] <skjensen> Okay.. That's not good.. :/ USB port is working with other devices. It's a brand new evaluation kit I got.. so doubt it's broken.. But never say never..
[13:09] <skjensen> I got a feeling it's because it's the wrong kernel module there is being used to mount the device. Any idea how I can get cdc_acm to be associated with the device?
[13:37] <willy> how can i install wine on ubuntu. sudo apt install wine is giving me error
[13:37] <memo1> Hi, im trying to install the ubuntu server and keeps failing, in system defaults.  What should i do?  Is a problem with the distro?
[13:44] <ConsoleFx> willy, what error?
[13:44] <willy> https://pastebin.com/dbyNp35z
[13:45] <ConsoleFx> willy, can you try $sudo apt-get autoremove and then run $sudo apt install wine ?
[13:46] <willy> same error
[13:46] <ConsoleFx> autoremove -f ?
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> willy, does running an apt upgrade render any different results? possible that some package upgradees are needed first?
[13:54] <Line> å
[13:54] <Hegna> Howdy yall
[13:55] <Line> /2/2
[13:55] <Hegna> Well folks my electron counterbalance overloaded
[13:55] <Hegna> How do i fix it without neutrino containment rods
[13:56] <Hegna> I dont wanna damage the hadron array
[13:56] <Hegna> Because that would mean recalibrating my QHD
[13:56] <willy> no sudo upgrade doing the same
[13:57] <Hegna> Willy can you help?
[13:57] <Hegna> My OC3 optical lines are fried
[13:58] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think wine is your issue then, you might have a corrpupt cache for apt. Might want to try "apt autoclean" and "apt clean all" then update and try another upgrade
[13:58] <Hegna> Tl;dr
[14:00] <willy> hegna: what exactly are you trying to do. i think this is not the right channel for you
[14:00] <Hegna> Im trying to repair my counterbalance for my quqntum acceloration aray
[14:00] <Hegna> Array
[14:01] <willy> this is support channel for ubuntu operating system.
[14:01] <Hegna> It uses ubuntu
[14:01] <Pici> Hegna: try https://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies/ , not #ubuntu
[14:01] <Hegna> No
[14:02] <pragmaticenigma> willy, did you catch my last message?
[14:03] <willy> pragmaticenigma: yeah the output is same
[14:03] <willy> nothing happens
[14:03] <Hegna> It was directed to me
[14:04] <Hegna> And no, it did nothing
[14:04] <ecormier> willy: apt update
[14:04] <willy> hegna: i think you are on the wrong channel. your problem doesn't seem to be ubuntu related
[14:05] <Hegna> Willy pardon my language but your kiba being a little bitch right now
[14:05] <Hegna> Im on the right channel
[14:05] <ecormier> Hegna: no one here can help you, sorry
[14:06] <Hegna> Pragmatic is trying to
[14:06] <ecormier> pragmaticenigma: is talking to willy
[14:06] <Hegna> No
[14:06] <Hegna> False
[14:06] <ecormier> troll elsewhere please
[14:07] <willy> ecormier:https://pastebin.com/7ZXhq3aE
[14:07] <ecormier> willy: no errors there, try installing wine again... which version of ubuntu are you on
[14:08] <willy> i am on ubuntu 16.04 but the error is still there
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> ecormier, there is something in willy's apt cache or setup that is preventing him from installing wine. If they try to install or upgrade they get an error message
[14:09] <ecormier> pragmaticenigma: I got it, I thought sources might be out of sync
[14:10] <reautopia> hello ! it's my first time to be here, excited
[14:12] <willy> pragmatice: anything else that i can try?
[14:12] <JimBuntu> reautopia, This channel is for Ubuntu support. Join #ubuntu-discuss to talk about Ubuntu in general or #ubuntu-offtopic to talk about whatever with others who may use Ubuntu. Otherwise, if you need help with Ubuntu, simply ask your question.
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> willy, we'd have to figure out what the root cause is for apt to be having trouble... what do you get when you run "apt list --upgradable"
[14:15] <willy> isc-dhcp-client/xenial-proposed 4.3.3-5ubuntu12.10 amd64 [upgradable from: 4.3.3-5ubuntu12.9]
[14:15] <willy>                       isc-dhcp-common/xenial-proposed 4.3.3-5ubuntu12.10 amd64 [upgradable from: 4.3.3-5ubuntu12.9]
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> willy, do you have the experimental channels active in apt?
[14:17] <cbit> hi guys! Is there any way to reduce the memory usage of Ubuntu 17.10. I have only 8GB of RAM(XPS13)and during work (docker, visual studio code,...) I often saturate it.
[14:17] <willy> i dont know. how can i check it
[14:18] <Triffid_Hunter> cbit: find out what's using the most and find an alternative for that thing
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> can you pastebin these files? /etc/apt/sources.list and the files from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:18] <Triffid_Hunter> cbit: for example, chrome with 10 tabs takes about the same ram as firefox with 400 tabs so that switch is an easy way to trim ram usage
[14:18] <Triffid_Hunter> cbit: or dumping vs code for a regular text editor perhaps
[14:19] <ageis> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[14:19] <ageis> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-security/universe/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[14:19] <ageis> is anyone else getting this?
[14:19] <ageis> on trusty
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> cbit, docker requires 8 GM of RAM just for the manger node... Docker alone is saturating your system
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> That should have said 8 GB of RAM... do not know why my keyboard enterd an M
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> ageis, is updating to Ubuntu 16.04 an option for you? Ubuntu 14.04 is fast approaching it's End Of Life support
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> otherwise, try again in a few hours... sometimes the repos are in the middle of having packages updated on the server
[14:22] <ageis> pragmaticenigma it's a SecureDrop user. they're all on trusty
[14:23] <ageis> mgiration to xenial is in progress
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> ageis, best to wait a bit and try again... you might need to run an "apt-get clean all" and "apt-get autoclean" to make sure something isn't stuck
[14:24] <cbit> pragmaticenigma, Triffid_Hunter yeah I'm using Firefox and I love it ;) unfortuantely I have to deal with Docker and VScode because of the project I'm working on
[14:24] <cbit> yeah maybe if I could find some good plugins for vim and Angular+Typescript I could ditch VScode
[14:25] <ageis> thanks
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> cbit, your issue isn't vscode... it's docker... it requires 12 GB or RAM just to run one node
[14:26] <cbit> oh nice, so I probably have no workaround for that xD
[14:28] <Industrial> Hi. I am getting ENOSPC errors but df -h says 12% used
[14:28] <Industrial> All text I copy
[14:29] <Industrial> makes the browser tab stuck
[14:29] <Industrial> all text I paste, stuck browser tab :S
[14:29] <Industrial> (and no paste)
[14:29] <Industrial> I have 16GB ram and a 500GB SSD
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> willy, I'm really stumpped... There is something in your package management setup that is causing this issue. I'm not certain what it is, but it appears you have experimental repos enabled which hold unstable packages. Makes this really hard to troubleshoot
[14:32] <willy> is there anyway to fix it
[14:32] <hfp> Hi, I noticed that firefox and chrome are tearing when scrolling. Is that something with my setup or is it the same for everyone? This is a video of what I mean, notice how the text tears around the middle of the screen: https://streamable.com/zpc2a
[14:33] <JimBuntu> hfp, I do not have that tearing in Chrome.
[14:33] <evg2071> hi
[14:39] <egyptian> hi - how do i tell apt-get upgrade to only install security patches?
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> egyptian, all updates provided by apt-get upgrade are security patches... program version changes are rarely issued through upgrades, unless the package maintaners are unable to backport the security patch to an older version
[14:43] <aero> ubuntu
[14:44] <aero> INDIAN ubuntu iso install
[14:46] <helmi> hay
[14:47] <egyptian> pragmaticenigma: r u sure? i have seen upgrades to python and other programs too
[14:48] <helmi> any woman here?
[14:48] <egyptian> helmi: ish ma3na?
[14:48] <leftyfb> helmi: That is offtopic. Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[14:49] <helmi> egyptians : i am a man
[14:50] <egyptian> ya ragel!!!
[14:50] <egyptian> oh man!
[14:51] <egyptian> pragmaticenigma: google tells me only unattended updates will install security patches and i want to verify coz i cant find it for apt-get upgrade
[14:53] <willy> leftyfb: this is stalion , who was asking about help on wine installation a couple of days ago. you left to have lunch. if u have time can u please help me now
[14:54] <leftyfb> willy: there's 1500 people in here.
[14:57] <willy> yeah , yet my problem still persist.
[14:57] <Borw3> willy: What problem?
[14:58] <willy> i am trying to install wine on ubuntu 16.04 but getting error.
[14:58] <Borw3> what error?
[14:59] <Borw3> willy: Tried installing from wine themselves by following https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu ?
[14:59] <willy> https://pastebin.com/G0hewN0z
[15:00] <willy> did whatever i was suggested to do from any member on this channel. but no solution
[15:00] <Borw3> willy: LOL, try the steps in https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu... It's the official one from wine themselves.
[15:00] <EriC^^> willy: try to keep installing the packages it says it depends on
[15:01] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install wine1.6
[15:01] <Borw3> EriC^^: Isn't wine 1.6 too old LOL, people flexing 3.0+
[15:01] <leftyfb> 1.6 is what is in ubuntu 16.04
[15:01] <hfp> Anybody get `tlp recalibrate` to work on their ThinkPad? I have installed the tp-smapi and tpacpi-bat modules from the ubuntu repos, but tlp says they're inactive even after rebooting
[15:02] <auronandace> willy: you could just install playonlinux, then you can get any version of wine you want
[15:02] <leftyfb> the fact that willy cannot install a package from universe is telling of a bigger problem
[15:02] <Borw3> leftyfb: LOL, well ubuntu package manager is sleeping on his ass, cause other packages like firefox are updated to latest version.
[15:03] <leftyfb> There are lots of ways to install wine, but that fact that willy cannot install a package from the official sources is a problem and should be address before worrying about just getting wine installed from some other method
[15:06] <Borw3> leftyfb: LOL, even debian updated to wine 2.0.x in their Repo, why Ubuntu still shipping wine 1.6? XD
[15:07] <leftyfb> !info wine
[15:07] <leftyfb> interesting
[15:07] <Borw3> XD
[15:07] <Borw3> No wine on artful? what of Bionic? XD
[15:08] <leftyfb> https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/wine-stable
[15:08] <Borw3> Somebody in Ubuntu is sleeping on the job XD
[15:08] <leftyfb> Borw3: please don't
[15:08] <leftyfb> Borw3: regardless, none of this helps willy
[15:09] <Borw3> XD
[15:09] <flying_sausages> hey guys, I have a little development board and it has a USB port over which a serial console with a shell runs, specifically on ttymxc0. I'm trying to disable it at boot, by running systemctl disable serial-getty@ttymxc0.service but on reboot it still starts.
[15:10] <flying_sausages> Whn I'm logged over through this port and I stop the service, the console stops though, so for sure it is the one.
[15:10] <flying_sausages> after disabling it, and still logging in with ttymxc0, when I check the status of the service, it says the following
[15:11] <flying_sausages>    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[15:11] <flying_sausages>    Active: [[0;1;32mactive (running)[[0m since Mon 2018-02-19 17:50:35 UTC; 3min 23s ago
[15:11] <willy> borw3:cant install by following te official site . https://pastebin.com/5uw3HYcR
[15:11] <flying_sausages> how can I really make sure that this service doesn't start at boot? what could be overriding the systemctl disable?
[15:12] <Borw3> willy: WOW, LOL, I think it might be your OS, what version is it?
[15:12] <willy> 16.04
[15:12] <Borw3> willy: Did you upgrade from 14.04 or fresh install?
[15:13] <bpye> Is there anywhere to see the current bugs in 18.04?
[15:14] <willy> yeah, i upgraded from 14
[15:14] <flying_sausages> I also tried to systemctl mask serial-getty@.service
[15:14] <flying_sausages>  but that still does not solve my issue
[15:14] <Borw3> flying_sausages: Try reading https://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/how-to-enable-or-disable-services second post :D
[15:15] <leftyfb> !bionic | bpye
[15:15] <Borw3> willy: That is probably the problem XD, try fresh install , otherwise build wine from source.
[15:16] <leftyfb> willy: I would try disabling the PPA's you have
[15:18] <leftyfb> willy: use the software and updates utility and the "other Software" tab and uncheck everything. Then run sudo apt-get update in a terminal
[15:18] <willy> leftyfb:ok
[15:19] <leftyfb> flying_sausages: what version of ubuntu?
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> flying_sausages, also, what is the development board?
[15:22] <willy> leftyfb: done that. ran command sudo apt install wine, getting same errror
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> when you uncheck, did you run apt update first?
[15:23] <willy> yeah
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> what about an apt upgrade?
[15:23] <willy> no
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> willy, let's try that. Before we can install wine, we have to get APT working properly. Let's focus on getting apt working before focusing on wine for now
[15:25] <willy> done that.
[15:25] <willy> now what
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> did any errors come up with upgrade?
[15:25] <Borw3> Guy has 14.04 packages blocking packages needed to install wine, maybe try installing older version of wine, like 1.4 or something XD
[15:26] <leftyfb> willy: what did apt-get update say?
[15:26] <leftyfb> Borw3: incorrect
[15:26] <leftyfb> Borw3: where are you getting that information?
[15:27] <willy> leftyfb:https://pastebin.com/ejam7FEk
[15:27] <Borw3> leftyfb: He said himself he upgraded from 14.04, that normally tends to cause broken packages, even worse, he might have upgraded from Kubuntu to 16.04 XD
[15:27] <leftyfb> Borw3: none of what you just said is valid data
[15:28] <Borw3> leftyfb: Kubuntu worn people not to upgrade to 16.04 from 14.04 because it will cause broken packages. XD
[15:28] <willy> i upgraded from ubuntu 14 to 16
[15:28] <leftyfb> willy: just so we're not missing anything, can paste everything including the command you typed and the ready prompt at the end?
[15:29] <Borw3> willy: Also which DE of Ubuntu are you using? is it Kubuntu(KDE)?
[15:30] <leftyfb> Borw3: do you have some article/documentation showing the kubuntu team warning people not to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04?
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> Borw3, we have no idea on the history of willy's machine and you're making assumptions on limited information. Willy could have updated that machine when 16.04 came out, they could have done it yesterday, we haven't asked and we're not conserned by that. Which flavor doesn't matter either, their problem is clearly with APT and that is what we are focused on. Please help us figure out the issue with willy's apt package
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> manager
[15:30] <Borw3> leftyfb: https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-4-lts-update-available/
[15:31] <Borw3> pragmaticenigma: https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-4-lts-update-available/
[15:32] <leftyfb> willy: were/art you running kubuntu/KDE?
[15:32] <leftyfb> art/are*
[15:32] <acheronuk> leftyfb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#A14.04_LTS_to_16.04_LTS_upgrade
[15:33] <nzpugs> test
[15:34] <leftyfb> nzpugs: test failed. Also not the appropriate place to test your IRC client
[15:34] <Borw3> LOL
[15:34] <Borw3> !lol
[15:34] <willy> leftyfb: sorry last paste was output for "sudo apt update" . https://pastebin.com/hYPhCi8N
[15:34] <leftyfb> Borw3: please stop with all the LOL's
[15:35] <leftyfb> willy: ok, so that looks good. ....
[15:35] <willy> i am using unity
[15:35] <tom_> i have an issue very similar to this https://askubuntu.com/questions/798375/hundreds-of-nameownerchanged-dbus-signals-using-cpu
[15:35] <tom_> anybody have a solution?
[15:35] <Borw3> willy: try "sudo apt-cache madison wine" and see what it returns. :D
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> No! willy do not do that
[15:36] <Borw3> pragmaticenigma: LOL, it just shows the versions of wine available.
[15:37] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that last command isn't harmful
[15:37] <willy> https://pastebin.com/Rkfa8Lg9
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> willy, your issue si that you still have xenial-propsed enabled.. that contains packages that aren't fully tested and are not ready for production
[15:38] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that is not the issue
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> packages in there are going to conflict with packages in universe and other parts of the package management eco system
[15:38] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I have proposed installed on all my machines and have wine installed on several of them
[15:39] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that's not how proposed works
[15:39] <Borw3> XD
[15:39] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: especially since there's no later version of wine currently in proposed
[15:39] <leftyfb> willy: sudo apt-get remove --purge --dry-run wine*
[15:40] <leftyfb> willy: please show me the output of that
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> That's what I was lead to believe... also on the issue earlier... telling someone to run a command followed "see what it return :D" is disingenuous and should make anyone suspicious of the command. Borw3 it would be wise to drop the emoticons and LOL's to help make it appear that you are serious about helping
[15:41] <willy> https://pastebin.com/KCGx5Bw4
[15:41] <leftyfb> willy: ok, try: sudo apt install wine1.6
[15:42] <tom_> can anyone help with my issue?
[15:42] <anno13233> hello i have question about kernel on ubuntu 16.04 why the kernel in 16.04 is the 4.4 ?
[15:42] <willy> https://pastebin.com/ay8zUbyW
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> !ask tom
[15:43] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: though I do agree with the emoticon commentary from Borw3
[15:43] <tom_> i think it is related to avahi-daemon but i am not sure
[15:43] <Borw3> willy: I am suspicous you upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04 and now to 16.04 XD
[15:43] <leftyfb> !hwe | tom_
[15:43] <anno13233> whene i look to the http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ the latest stable is 4.15 ?
[15:43] <tom_> i have an issue very similar to this https://askubuntu.com/questions/798375/hundreds-of-nameownerchanged-dbus-signals-using-cpu
[15:43] <leftyfb> !hwe | anno13233
[15:45] <leftyfb> willy: uname -i
[15:45] <willy> leftyfb: as far as i can remember , i just upgraded from ubuntu 14
[15:45] <willy> x86_64
[15:46] <leftyfb> willy: apt-cache policy fonts-droid
[15:47] <willy> https://pastebin.com/R8eLfrnu
[15:47] <erdem> i need to use a ms excel file with macros. libre office is not capable of handling that file/macros. any workaround or alternative tool that works on linux?
[15:47] <leftyfb> erdem: office.com
[15:47] <Borw3> erdem: wps office.
[15:47] <leftyfb> willy: sudo aptitude install wine
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> erdem, you could try office.com which allows free access to open excel documents... macros may not work however
[15:49] <willy> https://pastebin.com/bfZh9qYu
[15:49] <erdem> office.com is the web version of ms office?
[15:49] <leftyfb> willy: pick 3)
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> erdem, yes
[15:50] <willy> https://pastebin.com/9iZ1Nnew
[15:50] <leftyfb> willy: r 3
[15:51] <willy> https://pastebin.com/3UPGtW91
[15:52] <Borw3> leftyfb: He might need 32bit to run windows apps properly since its not wine2.0+
[15:52] <leftyfb> willy: pick Y
[15:52] <leftyfb> Borw3: it's called debugging
[15:53] <willy> https://pastebin.com/3Cgrx0gc
[15:53] <leftyfb> willy: ok, go through it again and this time hit n at the end, then Y
[15:53] <willy> ok
[15:56] <willy> https://pastebin.com/UbRN9QbP
[15:56] <jj_2018> hi all, apt is in a broken state and I'm not sure how to fix it, I've already done the apt -f install which didn't work. The error is at: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jkXxFNhKrz/
[15:56] <leftyfb> willy: accept it if you have't already
[15:56] <InTheWings> Anyone pointers about the Ubuntu email leaks ?
[15:57] <leftyfb> InTheWings: ?
[15:57] <leftyfb> InTheWings: email leaks?
[15:57] <willy> just wanted to confirm it wont break other softwares/packages on my system?
[15:57] <EriC^^> jj_2018: there's a ppa package causing the problem, do you need it?
[15:57] <InTheWings> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/pUeHgn8g
[15:57] <EriC^^> libsodium23
[15:57] <leftyfb> willy: it should not
[15:58] <willy> ok. this may take a while leftyfb.
[15:58] <jj_2018> Eric^^ yes unfortuanly I really do
[15:58] <leftyfb> InTheWings: it's probably referring to the very public @ubuntu.com email addresses that someone spent the time to farm.
[15:58] <EriC^^> jj_2018: what happens when you try installing it? brb
[15:58] <InTheWings> leftyfb: and i received that on another @
[15:59] <leftyfb> InTheWings: it's spam. Ignore/delete it
[15:59] <jj_2018> EriC^^: I saw that it's libsodium wich is part of the libsodium18 package, just not sure how to proceed
[16:01] <willy> leftyfb:which command am i supposed to run after this.
[16:01] <leftyfb> willy: if it finished, try: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install wine
[16:01] <jj_2018> EriC^^: I installed KeePassXC and its working becasue the library libsodium is already installed as part of libsodium18, but it lists libsodium23 as a dependancy and now apt won't let me do anything else
[16:02] <willy> not finished yet. it will take half an hour approx.
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> jj_2018, keepassxc isn't part of the main ubuntu repositories, our ability to troubleshoot it will be limited
[16:04] <jj_2018> pragmaticenigma: that I get, I'm just wondering if their is a way to get past the dependancy issue, or force the system to install the newer version of libsodium
[16:04] <leftyfb> jj_2018: remove --purge keepassxc
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> jj_2018, you would have to compile libsodium23 from source
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> or find someone with a ppa that maintains it
[16:05] <jj_2018> leftyfb: wow, thats not a good solution, I use keepass on a regularly
[16:05] <godxeno> can anyone help me
[16:05] <godxeno> vnc4server : Depends: xbase-clients but it is not going to be installed
[16:05] <godxeno> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[16:05] <godxeno> root@ns532422:~#
[16:06] <leftyfb> jj_2018: how do you use it if you can't install it?
[16:06] <jj_2018> leftyfb: it got installed, but somehow apt is still asking to install the package
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> jj_2018, how did you install it, can you provide a link to the instructions you used?
[16:07] <EriC^^> jj_2018: what happens when you try to install libsodium23?
[16:07] <leftyfb> jj_2018: keepass2 and keepassx are available in the official repo's. You can try those. If you're having issues with a 3rd party project not available in the official repo's, you'll need to contact them for support
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> EriC^^, they won't be able to install libsodium23 ... ubuntu only supports up through libsodium18
[16:08] <EriC^^> pragmaticenigma: yeah he's using a ppa
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> EriC^^, the ppa should have provided it as a dependency, but it didn't have it flagged... so apt didn't stop the install
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> jj_2018, if you are using ubuntu 16.04 or newer, you could try installing the snap package being offered. That should include all the dependencies
[16:09] <jj_2018> EriC^^: leftyfb pragmaticenigma ok looking at the PPA for Keepassxc it looks like others are having this issue, and they recomend reinstalling libsodium18
[16:10] <jj_2018> pragmaticenigma: I may have to give that a try thanks, thats a really good idea
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> Also, the maintainers recommend removing and reinstalling libsodium18 to get past the issue. There is a linking issue with the library that keepassxc doesn't pick up on
[16:12] <jj_2018> pragmaticenigma: the problem with removing libsodium18 is that it wants to remove lots of other stuff with it
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... is there any particular reason that you want keepassxc instead of keepassx?
[16:16] <EriC^^> jj_2018: what does 'sudo apt-get install libsodium23' give?
[16:18] <willy> leftyfb:running sudo apt install wine giving : wine is already the newest version (1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14.2).
[16:18] <leftyfb> willy: problem solved
[16:19] <leftyfb> willy: I would highly recommend next month when 18.04 comes out, you should backup everything and install 18.04 from scratch. Or wait till 18.04.1 like I do, but it might be time for you to fresh install regardless.
[16:20] <outoftime_92> What is wrong "W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list:3 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google.list:1" ?
[16:21] <leftyfb> outoftime_92: it means you have the same entry listed twice in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list. Edit the file and delete the duplicate line
[16:21] <b1fb4fec-48a7-41> b1fb4fec-48a7-415d-8198-e96c1f85818d
[16:22] <willy> leftyfb: first of all i want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. just last thing can u please refer me to some tutorial to learn using wine to install window app .
[16:22] <leftyfb> willy: download a Windows exe/msi file and doubleclick it
[16:23] <willy> any tips so that i dont mess with ubuntu packages again in future
[16:25] <leftyfb> willy: It looks like some package you had installed installed a later version of liblcms2-2 than the official repo's provide. Just be careful with the ppa's you add
[16:25] <jj_2018> EriC^^: leftyfb pragmaticenigma thanks guys for the help, got it wokring now, needed to remove keepassxc, downgrade libsodium18 and then install keepassxc which installed libsodium23, now it seems to all be working agian
[16:26] <EriC^^> jj_2018: cool
[16:27] <outoftime_92> leftyfb: thank you.
[16:27] <willy> so i must check what packages are being changed when adding ppa
[16:27] <outoftime_92> How `ping` works. It is possible that server not didn't accept ping requests but accepts any other?
[16:30] <Hell-Razor> Hell-Razor
[16:33] <nacc> outoftime_92: yes
[16:44] <godxeno> i need help
[16:44] <outoftime_92> godxeno: just ask
[16:45] <godxeno> https://gyazo.com/a8778ff4b3ac50fb3b88cdd57ae6c38a
[16:45] <godxeno> packaged wont install on my dedicated server ;(
[16:46] <erdem> where do i put my own bash scripts that should be available to everybody on the system? /usr/bin ?#
[16:47] <EriC^^> erdem: /usr/local/bin perhaps
[16:48] <erdem> thank you
[16:48] <EriC^^> no problem
[16:49] <leftyfb> erdem: you'll have to add /usr/local/bin to your $PATH for each user or globally
[16:49] <ChiLLabiS> Hello! How do i see the verion of an amdgpu-pro install?
[16:50] <jbz6> it is generaly already part of the path
[16:50] <ChiLLabiS> I installed it before but don't know if i installed the regular or the PRO version
[16:51] <leftyfb> jbz6: you're right. I was wrong
[16:51] <jbz6> @leftyfb, no problem
[16:53] <jbz6> @ChiLLabiS
[16:53] <jbz6> did you extract it from a .tar.gz ?
[16:53] <ChiLLabiS> Yezz
[16:54] <jbz6> ok, dont you have the name of the version on that ?
[16:54] <ChiLLabiS> I want to check if i installed the regular or the pro version
[16:54] <ChiLLabiS> I've forgotten
[16:55] <jbz6> ok i see
[16:55] <ChiLLabiS> There is 2 different versions in the install folder
[16:55] <jbz6> never used it but, what about blabla -version ?
[16:55] <jbz6> like a java -version
[16:55] <jbz6> or many other bins
[16:56] <Borw3> or man blahblahblah
[16:56] <ChiLLabiS> All i get is amdgpu-uninstall
[16:57] <jbz6> lol Borw3
[16:57] <jbz6> humm
[16:58] <jbz6> did you check in you ps ?
[16:58] <jbz6> your
[16:58] <jbz6> ps -x | grep amd
[16:58] <jbz6> if its used
[16:59] <erdem> do you guys know a tool that lets me autocomplete predefined texts, no matter which app i am currently typing in`
[16:59] <erdem> ?
[16:59] <Borw3> erdem: vim :D
[17:00] <jbz6> yo, @ChiLLabiS
[17:00] <ChiLLabiS> PS?
[17:00] <jbz6> System Check
[17:00] <jbz6> The easiest way to find out if you have AMDGPU-Pro already installed on your Ubuntu System is to query the Debian package manager.
[17:00] <jbz6> Using the following command at a terminal will provide you with the version of the AMDGPU-Pro stack on your system, or inform you that there are no packages found:
[17:00] <jbz6> dpkg -l amdgpu-pro
[17:00] <Borw3> erdem: Sorry, not vim, but ment to say vim plugins in specific applications :D
[17:00] <jbz6> ps is a command to list all of your processes
[17:00] <ChiLLabiS> just says amd
[17:01] <jbz6> lol ok
[17:01] <ChiLLabiS> 6326 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto amd
[17:01] <jbz6> try dpkg -l amdgpu-pro
[17:01] <ChiLLabiS> ok
[17:02] <riex> giraffen.dk
[17:02] <ChiLLabiS> that worked jbz6
[17:02] <ChiLLabiS> thank you
[17:02] <jbz6> ok cool ;) you're welcome
[17:08] <Reginal_Gerald> :-D
[17:23] <Lavinho> good afternoon
[17:24] <Lavinho> how to install ubuntu on acer es1-132 ?
[17:24] <Lavinho> installed but no bootable device
[17:24] <Lavinho> help me please
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> Lavinho, take a look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/287064/how-do-i-make-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> read the whole article *BEFORE* you start
[17:27] <Lavinho> no understand
[17:27] <Lavinho> installed
[17:27] <Lavinho> but reboot
[17:27] <Lavinho> and message no bootabe device
[17:28] <Lavinho> and bios no selected uefi trusted file option
[17:28] <Lavinho> no option
[17:29] <nacc> godxeno: you might need to file a bug
[17:31] <flying_sausages> hey guys, where do I need to symlink my .service file in order for it to start on boot again?
[17:32] <jesse__> news
[17:32] <flying_sausages> sorry, this is within systemd context
[17:33] <jesse__> ho any news here
[17:33] <nacc> jesse__: wrong channel?
[17:34] <nacc> flying_sausages: should be sufficent to `systemctl enable <service>`1
[17:34] <jesse__> mac are jusnk
[17:34] <nacc> jesse__: this is the ubuntu support channel
[17:34] <nacc> jesse__: you might want #ubuntu-offtopic or some other channel
[17:34] <jesse__> am ok
[17:35] <jesse__> benn around a long time jsut lokking about
[17:35] <jesse__> jsut pot snoffing
[17:35] <ikonia> then stop
[17:35] <ikonia> now
[17:35] <jesse__> stop
[17:35] <jesse__> stop typing
[17:36] <jesse__> really
[17:36] <nacc> ikonia: thanks
[17:39] <flying_sausages> nacc, I'm building a recipe for yocto so I don't have a shell running
[17:40] <nacc> flying_sausages: in theory, you could need to symlink it from one of the wants iirc
[17:46] <wad> I'm on my Ubuntu box, and I need to transfer a file to a remote Windows machine. I can connect to it with Remmina, but that doesn't seem to let me upload a file to it. Is there some other tool you guys know of?
[17:48] <teddyz> cute ftp
[17:48] <teddyz> wad
[17:48] <wad> The Windows machine is all locked down. No browser, etc.
[17:49] <teddyz> boot the other box linux and move the file
[17:49] <teddyz> on a usb st
[17:49] <wad> The remote machine is in a datacenter in another state. :(
[17:50] <teddyz> are the two in the same room
[17:50] <teddyz> wad
[17:50] <teddyz> ok waht make
[17:51] <teddyz> plug a cell phone on it
[17:51] <teddyz> easy
[17:53] <teddyz> the in ternet a scam wad you move anything
[17:54] <ducasse> wad: why is it locked down? haven't you got admin access?
[17:54] <teddyz> you move any with modem
[17:54] <teddyz> amin hack it
[17:55] <teddyz> plug  new rotter a with a new pasword
[17:56] <leftyfb> wad: if you don't have a browser, how do you expect to download any solutions suggested to you?
[17:56] <teddyz> password a are funny thing there on computer with to many ways to get in
[17:56] <teddyz> run internet exp on the run button
[17:57] <teddyz> or but it on usb st
[17:57] <teddyz> it better to un a boot dis. with linuz
[17:57] <teddyz> or linux
[17:58] <teddyz> or  are move lage files
[17:58] <leftyfb> teddyz: If you're going to make suggestions, please try to speak clear English
[17:59] <teddyz> am not for here sorry
[17:59] <teddyz> am flying
[17:59] <wad> This Windows machine has no browser installed.
[17:59] <leftyfb> wad: if you don't have a browser, how do you expect to download any solutions suggested to you?
[17:59] <teddyz> i dont speck the kings enlishhh
[18:00] <teddyz> wad relly oh boty
[18:00] <leftyfb> teddyz: please stop
[18:00] <teddyz> you tring to in a school sever
[18:01] <teddyz> you trying to hank in to school sever
[18:01] <ducasse> teddyz: trolling is not welcome here, cut it out
[18:01] <leftyfb> wad: I would suggest the portable version of winscp. https://winscp.net/download/WinSCP-5.13-Portable.zip
[18:01] <leftyfb> wad: please see #windows for further support with getting it installed
[18:01] <teddyz> lefty can i kiis you
[18:02] <leftyfb> !op | teddyz
[18:03] <wad> I can get into the remove Windows box via Remmina. It's a locked-down application server, running in AWS. Even though I can interact with the desktop, I haven't been able to find a way to transfer a file to the remote filesystem. I'm fairly good at linux, Windows, not so much.
[18:03] <wad> s/remove/remote/
[18:03] <leftyfb> wad: please go to #windows for support with Windows
[18:03] <wad> Okay. Thanks guys!
[18:04] <leftyfb> wad: if they ask about file transfer to linux, I'd suggest scp which winscp will do just fine
[18:04] <teddyz> good day wad
[18:04] <teddyz> jsut remmber the is free
[18:04] <teddyz> you get what you pay for
[18:05] <leftyfb> teddyz: please leave
[18:05] <wad> (I HATE WINDOWS! Why do people think they make good servers?? Stab myself in the face...)
[18:05] <teddyz> use linux windows like the russan do
[18:05] <leftyfb> wad: That kind of talk isn't necessary
[18:06] <teddyz> it fast and easy
[18:06] <leftyfb> !op | teddyz
[18:06] <teddyz> am been in milt . many yeats
[18:06] <teddyz> it just a fax michin
[18:06] <leftyfb> teddyz: please leave
[18:07] <navplayer> mmotto g5 connect via usb
[18:08] <teddyz> i connect with tow cans on string
[18:08] <navplayer> no bot selected
[18:08] <teddyz> opps
[18:09] <navplayer> model phone xt1672
[18:10] <teddyz> mot by make in mex good stuff
[18:10] <teddyz> xt1672
[18:11] <navplayer> ok tah
[18:11] <teddyz> you use to craf
[18:11] <navplayer> yes
[18:11] <leftyfb> navplayer: just ignore teddyz. They're not here to help
[18:11] <teddyz> carrer
[18:11] <teddyz>  att
[18:12] <teddyz> am white a fat and 400 lb
[18:12] <navplayer> my phone is craffted
[18:12] <teddyz> next
[18:12] <teddyz> craffted
[18:12] <navplayer> in loser update
[18:12] <teddyz> never ?
[18:13] <navplayer> ok
[18:13] <teddyz> mint sims cheep
[18:13] <teddyz> 15 mouth
[18:13] <teddyz> 15$
[18:13] <navplayer> nedd
[18:13] <teddyz> yes
[18:13] <leftyfb> !op | teddyz
[18:14] <leftyfb> !op | navplayer
[18:14] <teddyz> been arould
[18:14] <teddyz> around
[18:14] <teddyz> am flying
[18:14] <teddyz> to my mom
[18:15] <navplayer> instaled for fastboo
[18:15] <teddyz> home in thexas
[18:15] <leftyfb> teddyz: please /part
[18:15] <leftyfb> navplayer: What exactly is your Ubuntu support question?
[18:15] <teddyz> aprtubntu
[18:15] <teddyz> ubntu is toy softway
[18:15] <teddyz> software
[18:16] <teddyz> oppys
[18:16] <navplayer> in 50% update craft
[18:16] <teddyz>  i teach
[18:16] <navplayer> to power of
[18:16] <teddyz> i writer
[18:16] <teddyz> viodo games
[18:17] <navplayer> is config network FON
[18:17] <teddyz> network
[18:17] <teddyz>  on your fone ald
[18:17] <teddyz> lad
[18:17] <teddyz> i
[18:17] <teddyz> see
[18:17] <navplayer> IS set up
[18:18] <navplayer> liht
[18:18] <teddyz> have to land this thing be back
[18:18] <teddyz> .
[18:19] <navplayer> no remove usb
[18:19] <navplayer> led is on
[18:19] <navplayer> to power f
[18:20] <denixx|h2> All! I'm actually on Bionic. But I'll appreciate someone help me to find needed place to edit.
[18:20] <navplayer> ok
[18:20] <leftyfb> !bionic | denixx|h2
[18:20] <navplayer> is power off display
[18:21] <denixx|h2> Yeah, I'm there.
[18:21] <navplayer> on liht led
[18:21] <ducasse> denixx|h2: that's the place to ask your question
[18:21] <navplayer> wellcome
[18:21] <navplayer> e
[18:22] <tgm4883> where's ikonia when we need him again
[18:22] <leftyfb> or any of the other 33 ops mentioned
[18:23] <tgm4883> leftyfb: true
[18:23] <teddyz> system will collect data on the user's OS details, hardware setup, apps and OS settings
[18:23] <teddyz> bionic
[18:23] <leftyfb> teddyz: please leave. Go do something else with your time.
[18:24] <navplayer> and 7.1 nou
[18:24] <teddyz>  nah
[18:25] <teddyz> aa cvs is a cvs flie
[18:27] <zuhaitz> Hi, I am in gnome shell - ubuntu 16.04 and kmailservice5 is active with 100% cpu, how can I know what program is using it? Please.
[18:27] <teddyz> Undergraduate working with human cadavers in GCU lab
[18:27] <teddyz> hoo looka beer can
[18:28] <navplayer> ye cpu 100%
[18:28] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: it's kmail
[18:29] <zuhaitz> kmail is not insstalled leftyfb
[18:29] <lurchadams> hi guys, torn between opensuse tumbleweed and ubuntu 18.04 for a desktop user (no IT professional). Looking for direct input/ experience as in why would you recommend ubuntu over opensuse tumbleweed?
[18:29] <zuhaitz> leftyfb: Package 'kmail' is not installed, so not removed
[18:29] <teddyz> ubuntu 18.04 no wonder am runing robo liux
[18:29] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: could be kio or app-install-service apparently
[18:30] <leftyfb> lurchadams: that's not a support question. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:30] <FroMaster> With Ubuntu 16.04, I noticed the locale changed from en_US.UTF-8 to en_US.utf8. The Ubuntu/Xenial documentation still references using the older en_US.UTF-8 format (https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apbs04.html) Where should I report this?
[18:30] <zuhaitz> leftyfb: it happened me after trying o installing some plugins in rhythmbox
[18:30] <teddyz> this a kids room
[18:30] <leftyfb> !bug | FroMaster
[18:31] <FroMaster> leftyfb, Guess I first should figure out if it is a bug?
[18:32] <teddyz> bug spare
[18:33] <navplayer> read in one
[18:33] <leftyfb> if someone just booted teddyz, please add navplayer
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> Is anyone familiar with i915 Intel Graphics configuration for power save or monitor power saving? I have an issue with a Toshiba A15 laptop. Sometimes when the screen goes to power save, the screen displays streaky vertical lines.
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> Because it only does this sometimes, I think it's one of the power state modes being triggered that the laptop does not support
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> I have had very little luck and disabling power management to begin troubleshooting as something else always seems to take over
[18:41] <FroMaster> Ubuntu 16.04, `locale` shows LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but `localectl -list-locale` shows en_US.utf8 ... Things seem to be working but... Anyone know what the right setting should be?
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> Not sure I understand what you are asking FroMaster ... is US English not your primary language?
[18:43] <FroMaster> pragmaticenigma, the name of the locale looks to have changed from en_US.UTF-8 to en_US.utf8
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know how you got the second command to work, localectl doesn't have a parameter -list-locale
[18:45] <FroMaster> sorry, localectl list-locale
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> FroMaster, it is normal, they mean the same thing, just slightly different representations
[18:46] <navplayer> phone removed fron usb
[19:01] <`mist> heya fellas, seems my boot partition has run full
[19:01] <`mist> can't seem to clean it either...
[19:02] <`mist> keep on getting E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:02] <`mist> regardless of what i do pretty much. Anyone know how to clean out these packages?
[19:04] <Bashing-om> `mist: Show us, in a pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' . See where we go from there .
[19:05] <`mist> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/yUtsMppK
[19:07] <star_> Hi
[19:08] <Bashing-om> `mist: Not the command result I requested .. as is might try ' sudo apt install linux-image-4.4.0-116-generic ' see what happens .
[19:10] <`mist> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/AZ7uMJAa
[19:10] <`mist> full output
[19:13] <Bashing-om> `mist: Do not see an out of space issue at this time .. OK try the ' sudo apt install linux-image-4.4.0-116-generic ' .
[19:19] <jwitko> Hey all, I'm attempting to have a java application run at Desktop instantiation for the "ubuntu" user.  I've attempted to put a .desktop file in $HOME/.config/autostart/<service_name>.desktop but it does not start when I log into the desktop and I can't seem to find any logging.  My desktop file can be seen here:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XTDX6ywkBg/
[19:20] <jwitko> I've also tried moving it into /etc/xdg/autostart/  with no luck
[19:20] <jwitko> If I execute the Exec command directly as the user, the java app starts up and works no problem
[19:20] <kostkon> jwitko, try using the full path for the .jar executable
[19:20] <jwitko> kostkon, ok I'll try that now.  Would I just need to logout/login to the user or is a reboot required ?
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> you should be able to logout and login to see if it takes effect
[19:22] <vadi> How can I check if computers SSD is functioning OK from a liveusb?
[19:22] <vadi> The computer refuses to boot with the SSD, it gets stuck on "Loading Operating System..."
[19:22] <jwitko> kostkon, pragmaticenigma , I made the edit to use the full path of the jar file in both the local user and system desktop files.  Logged Off and Logged In, process is still not running.
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> Is this a gui application? or command line?
[19:23] <Bashing-om> vadi: What file systm is on the SSD ?
[19:23] <jwitko> pragmaticenigma, GUI application
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> jwitko, Try removing the nodisplay option?
[19:24] <vadi> Bashing-om: ext4 I'm guessing
[19:24] <vadi> The usual Ubuntu one
[19:24] <vadi> It's also encrypted with the disk encryption in 16.04 I think
[19:24] <rizonz> hi guys what version of PHP is now in 16.04 ?
[19:25] <nacc> rizonz: 7.0.25
[19:25] <nacc> rizonz: (in xenial-updates)
[19:25] <Bashing-om> vadi: No guessing here - leads to some great problems .. from that liveUSB show us - in a pastebin site ' sudo parted -l ; . See what we have to work with ,
[19:25] <rizonz> meh, ondrej his php .7.2 packages are failing atm
[19:25] <nacc> rizonz: php7.2 is only in bionic
[19:26] <rizonz> nacc: ondrej had packages for 16.04
[19:26] <nacc> rizonz: if you are having issues with ondrej's ppa, please contact onrej
[19:26] <nacc> rizonz: i know
[19:26] <kostkon> jwitko, what happens when you double click on it
[19:26] <jwitko> pragmaticenigma, sorry I misspoke.  It runs as a background service but requires a display (cannot run headless).  I set the "NoDisplay" option to false and logged off/on.  No luck.
[19:26] <jwitko> It is supposed to put an icon in the system tray
[19:27] <jwitko> kostkon, there is no icon to double click on.  but if I run from a command line (from within a desktop) it starts up no problem
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> does that software vendor offer any advice on getting it to autostart? jwitko
[19:28] <kostkon> jwitko, you should be able to double click on the desktop file. also, make it executable, if it isn't already
[19:29] <jwitko> kostkon, they were not executable.  I have made them executable now and did a log on/off.  it did not help, but I am rebooting now just in case its required to take effect.
[19:29] <jwitko> pragmaticenigma, this is an in-house application.
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> jwitko, perhaps this might help instead? https://askubuntu.com/questions/644762/telegram-at-startup
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> it's how to add an application to launch on startup
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> use the same command from your .desktop and see if that works
[19:30] <diverdude> hi. i am getting error like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SfPzKsyKt3/ when i try to run sudo apt-get update. what is wrong?
[19:30] <nacc> diverdude: for some reason yhou have a cdrom source listed in your sources.list still
[19:31] <vadi2> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/MxgSeFcp
[19:31] <StephenLynx> any idea why nmcli just gives me an unknown error when trying to connect o a wifi?
[19:31] <diverdude> nacc: weird,.... i never had a cd rom in this machine
[19:31] <nacc> diverdude: it's added from the installer (usb is treated as a cdrom, iirc)
[19:31] <jwitko> kostkon, I think you might be on to something!  double-clicking returns an error "failed to execute child process, no such file or directory"
[19:31] <nacc> diverdude: just comment it out
[19:31] <diverdude> nacc: cani disable it?
[19:31] <diverdude> nacc: where?
[19:32] <rizonz> nacc: I needed to readd ondrej his ppa
[19:32] <kostkon> jwitko, try running it in the terminal as well, now that you've made it executable
[19:32] <nacc> diverdude: /etc/apt/sources.list (or some file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d)
[19:32] <nacc> rizonz: mm ok? not really relevant to me particularly :)
[19:32] <Bashing-om> vadi2: " btrfs " file system . I have zero experience - can not advise .
[19:33] <jwitko> kostkon, pragmaticenigma , so i have verified that the ubuntu user can see/access both files listed in the Exec command
[19:33] <rizonz> nacc: but good to know ;)
[19:34] <jwitko> kostkon, how does one execute a desktop file from the command line?   a ./file gives all sorts of errors (as expected, since its just a text file?)
[19:34] <kostkon> jwitko, you could try removing the quotation marks from exec and see what happens
[19:35] <jwitko> kostkon, ......
[19:35] <kostkon> jwitko, if it's been set as executable you should be able to run it as ./file
[19:35] <jwitko> kostkon, removing the quotes worked lol
[19:36] <kostkon> jwitko, nice
[19:36] <kostkon> jwitko, also consider adding the StartupWMClass entry
[19:36] <vadi> how come the mouse cursor dissapears when I move it over the Files window in a 16.04 liveusb? It makes it real hard to use
[19:36] <diverdude> when i then try to run apt-get upgrade it throws an error and says i have to run apt-get install -f. However when i do that it just hangs, like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vq8x73QkWD/   What is going wrong here?
[19:37] <nacc> diverdude: are you sure it's haning? it's downloading a package actively over the network in that paste
[19:37] <jwitko> kostkon, pragmaticenigma , thank you both very much
[19:37] <nacc> diverdude: you also probably need to clean our your /boot at some point
[19:37] <jwitko> kostkon, what would I put in "StartupWMClass=" ?
[19:38] <nacc> diverdude: see line 18 in the paste
[19:38] <kostkon> jwitko, open a terminal, type  xprop | grep WM_CLASS  and then when the cursor changes shape click on the java app's main window. it will give you a value. set that value as the value of the StartupWMClass entry
[19:39] <diverdude> nacc: ahhh its just very slow. its at 84% now
[19:39] <kostkon> jwitko, if you'll get more than one value use the less generic one
[19:39] <jwitko> kostkon, unfortuntely the java process does not have a window
[19:40] <kostkon> jwitko, only a tray icon?
[19:41] <Astra1993> hi everyone
[19:41] <jwitko> kostkon, yes.  There is no window to the application.
[19:42] <diverdude> nacc: so clean out boot using apt-get install -f ?
[19:43] <nacc> diverdude: no.
[19:43] <diverdude> nacc: so clean out boot using apt-get install -f ?
[19:43] <nacc> diverdude: read line 18 in your paste
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, it's an applet for the system tray... when a user interacts with it, it will likely launch a full window application
[19:44] <diverdude> nacc: bah...it errored: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wF5DZJcvx7/
[19:44] <tgm4883> diverdude: as expected
[19:44] <nacc> diverdude: i feel like maybe you are ignoring me?
[19:44] <diverdude> tgm4883: what
[19:45] <nacc> diverdude: read line 18 in your paste (i've said this twice now)
[19:45] <godxeno> whats a good program to open rar files?
[19:45] <tgm4883> diverdude: read what was told to you. Nacc told you twice (now three times) where it tells you the exact command to run
[19:45] <m3rlin> godxeno, unrar
[19:45] <tgm4883> diverdude: He actually told you no, don't run the command you asked about and you ran that command anyway
[19:46] <diverdude> but then it asks me to run apt-get install -f when i try to run sudo apt autoremove
[19:46] <Astra1993> I need a tool for repairing corruption in files downloaded from my server. Occasionally when I download files, small parts of it gets corrupted (interruptions in network) and I don't want to download the entire file again. Any suggestions?
[19:46] <tgm4883> diverdude: well that's information that you probably should have stated
[19:49] <diverdude> tgm4883: ok sorry...but what to do then
[19:49] <nacc> diverdude: please pastebin the exact ouptut from `sudo apt-get autoremove`
[19:50] <wafflejock> Astra1993 can maybe use rsync with --append-verify https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48298/can-rsync-resume-after-being-interrupted
[19:53] <x_> hello, how i can see network traffic ? I want to see windows 10 network traffic in virtualbox
[19:53] <vadi> How can I debug Ubuntu not loading from an SSD?
[19:53] <vadi> The SSD has Ubuntu installed and I can browse it fine from a LiveUSB.
[19:53] <tgm4883> !details | vadi
[19:53] <wafflejock> x_ wireshark? er maybe etherape depends on what you're trying to monitor or 'what level' of detail you need
[19:54] <vadi> What details are you looking after?
[19:54] <tgm4883> vadi: what happens during boot?
[19:54] <visip> vadi: do you have it installed on UEFI and Secure Boot is enabled?
[19:54] <visip> vadi: Is it installed with MBR or GPT disks?
[19:55] <vadi> It says "Loading Operating System...", shows a purple screen for a moment, then it all goes black. Case disk usage keeps on blinking. Yes, UEFI and Secure Boot is enabled - I have to sign my virtualbox modules and such.
[19:55] <vadi> There is a master boot record.
[19:55] <Astra1993> wafflejock, thanks. Let me test it.
[19:58] <vadi> What can I do to diagnose the problem?
[19:58] <TJ-> vadi: you can get to the GRUB boot menu by pressing Escape? if so, do that, highlight the Ubuntu entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate to the line beginning "linux ..." and remove "quiet splash" and add "debug" then press Ctrl+x (or F10) to boot with those changes. You may/should see the kernel messages then
[19:59] <vlt> x_: iftop is quite nice.
[20:01] <vadi> Did that - it scrolled text for a bit, then black screen
[20:01] <vadi> What does that mean?
[20:02] <diverdude> nacc: sorry, my bad. It asked me to do apt-get autoremove -f but when i do that i get this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BT3Ng77RCD/
[20:02] <ioria> vadi, what's your video card ?
[20:02] <nacc> diverdude: strange, you can manually remove some stuff from your /boot. can you pastebin `ls -ahl /boot` ?
[20:03] <vadi> nvidia 780 ti
[20:03] <ioria> vadi, try the nomodeset parameter
[20:03] <vadi> how?
[20:04] <ioria> vadi, where you removed 'quiet splash'   ass 'nomodeset'
[20:04] <ioria> sy, *add
[20:04] <diverdude> nacc: here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w3DZykj2Yk/
[20:04] <nacc> diverdude: and `uname -r` ?
[20:05] <nacc> diverdude: sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-38-generic /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-81-generic, then try autoremove again (no -f !)
[20:05] <nacc> presuming your current kernel is niether of those
[20:06] <diverdude> nacc: uname -r 4.4.0-97-generic
[20:06] <nacc> diverdude: yeah remove those initrds first then try autoremove again
[20:06] <diverdude> nacc: then it errors and asks me to use -f
[20:07] <vadi> it booted with nomodeset. What does this mean?
[20:07] <nacc> diverdude: i don't believe you :)
[20:07] <nacc> diverdude: can you pastebin the exact output from `sudo apt autoremove` ?
[20:07] <TJ-> nacc: this may help  http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/apt-autoremove-old-kernels
[20:07] <ioria> diverdude, why 97 if the latest installed is 4.4.0-101-generic  ?
[20:07] <nacc> ioria: next step, next step
[20:07] <ioria> ok
[20:07] <diverdude> nacc: i get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xwtpxtDz7s/
[20:07] <nacc> ioria: we need to first clear up their /boot
[20:07] <ioria> i see
[20:08] <nacc> diverdude: right, that's referring to apt-get, afaict, it's poorly worded
[20:08] <nacc> diverdude: so you're already wedged
[20:08] <nacc> first, remove some initrds, as i suggested
[20:08] <nacc> then run sudo apt-get -f install, then run sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:08] <diverdude> nacc: i removed those which you suggested
[20:09] <diverdude> nacc: and then i ran apt-get autoremove and i get that error
[20:09] <diverdude> nacc: should i remove other?
[20:11] <x_> Where store downloaded program with components ?
[20:12] <ioria> x_,  what you mean ?
[20:12] <m3rlin> x_: /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:12] <diverdude> nacc: ?
[20:12] <diverdude> nacc: so i need to reinstall ubuntu?
[20:13] <Fretegi> afternoon guys
[20:13] <Fretegi> and gals
[20:13] <Fretegi> is there a repo anyone knows of that contains the 2.7 or higher versions of GNUCash?
[20:14] <Fretegi> seems you have to manually build it at the moment.  which i am not against.  just more a pain to keep updated that way
[20:14] <ioria> !info gnucash bionic
[20:14] <ioria> nope
[20:17] <nacc> diverdude: which error?
[20:18] <nacc> diverdude: 1) remove initrds as told, 2) run sudo apt-get -f install, 3) run sudo apt-get autremove
[20:18] <nacc> *autoremove
[20:18] <diverdude> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rx4hVrsXmh/
[20:19] <nacc> diverdude: ok, so you need to remove more
[20:19] <diverdude> nacc: ok, what more
[20:19] <nacc> diverdude: sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-{38,81,83,87,89}-generic
[20:21] <diverdude> nacc: i have onlye these. Can i remove it all? /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0- initrd.img-4.4.0-104-generic  initrd.img-4.4.0-93-generic   initrd.img-4.4.0-97-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-92-generic   initrd.img-4.4.0-96-generic
[20:21] <nacc> diverdude: no, you don't want to remove them all
[20:21] <nacc> diverdude: you mean after running the above command you do? or before?
[20:22] <wafflejock> x_ "dpkg -L packagename" will show the files installed from some given package if you've installed something and want to list the unpacked files
[20:22] <nacc> TJ-: do you mind stepping in, i need to go afk
[20:22] <diverdude> nacc: how can i just remove all i dont need?
[20:22] <nacc> diverdude: you can use TJ-'s script
[20:22] <nacc> diverdude: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/apt-autoremove-old-kernels
[20:22] <diverdude> ok, will try it
[20:23] <TJ-> nacc: sure, although I'm in-and-out right fighting config of squid-deb-proxy for IPv6 :)
[20:23] <TJ-> diverdude: that script of mine identifies any kernels due for autoremoval, then deletes the initrd.img files associated with them to free some space, then does the autoremove which should leave you with some free space
[20:25] <Ebot> hey, is anybody here?
[20:25] <Fretegi> so seems the only way is to just build the latest gnucash manually each time huh
[20:26] <leftyfb> !ask | Ebot
[20:26] <Ebot> ok, thank you :)
[20:26] <Ebot> i'm a newbe :D
[20:27] <diverdude> TJ-: when i run the script i get the same error :(
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> Is anyone familiar with i915 Intel Graphics configuration for power save or monitor power saving? I have an issue with a Toshiba A15 laptop. Sometimes when the screen goes to power save, the screen displays streaky vertical lines.
[20:27] <TJ-> diverdude: can you pastebin the error, or give me a link if you have previously pastebinned it?
[20:27] <streaky> >.>
[20:28] <diverdude> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9MW5BMTJHK/
[20:28] <TJ-> poor streaky :)
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> Because it only does this sometimes, I think it's one of the power state modes being triggered that the laptop does not support
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> I have had very little luck and disabling power management to begin troubleshooting as something else always seems to take over
[20:29] <TJ-> diverdude: can you show me "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/; df -h )"
[20:30] <diverdude> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KKc9QHHBVP/
[20:32] <Astra1993> wafflejock, rsync is working great. --inplace did it. Do I need the --checksum parameter set too?
[20:32] <TJ-> diverdude: OK, do this: "sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic"
[20:32] <TJ-> diverdude: then do "df -h /boot" and you should see some free space; if so, "sudo apt autoremove"
[20:32] <diverdude> TJ-: avail 219M
[20:32] <StephenLynx> i got this issue with nmcli. I want to disconnect from the currenctly wifi network, but for it to disconnect I must inform which duplicate it is, obtained from nmcli c
[20:33] <StephenLynx> can I just tell it to use the id used when I get it from nmcli dev wifi or just disconnect from any network?
[20:33] <Astra1993> It seems that rsync without --checksum uses the file's size and modtime to figure out if it needs to update the file.
[20:33] <TJ-> diverdude: you should now be in a position to run "sudo apt-get -f install" to ensure all packages are fully configured
[20:35] <TJ-> StephenLynx: nmcli con down needs to know which connection
[20:35] <diverdude> TJ-: still running aut of space and error :(
[20:36] <TJ-> diverdude: what command is causing that?
[20:36] <diverdude> TJ-: thats when i do sudo apt-get -f install afte ri did the rm you told me to do
[20:36] <diverdude> TJ-: the sudo apt-get -f install
[20:37] <TJ-> diverdude: OK, so I think it is possibly you've got a hold on all those kernels so it is rebuilding the initrd.img files we just deleted... lets explore some more. Show me: "pastebinit <( df -h /boot; dpkg -l 'linux-image*' | grep ^ii; ls -latr /boot/)"
[20:38] <diverdude> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Hd6wTS2KZ/
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> or if anyone has any knowldege on power management in general for Ubuntu that would be appreciated
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> every site/page I visit on the web has some sort of attempt, but nothing is 100% and it's hard when you disable one feature to find out it doesn't survive a reboot or something else takes over for it later
[20:40] <daxmax64> Hey there, I'm having some trouble finding the solution to a problem with Ubuntu 17.10
[20:41] <diverdude> TJ-: did you get that?
[20:41] <TJ-> diverdude: OK, let's try again! "sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic; sud dpkg -r linux-image-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic"
[20:41] <TJ-> diverdude: STOP! Typo in that one, here: "sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic; sudo dpkg -r linux-image-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic"
[20:41] <MeaCulpa> pragmaticenigma you find power settings under system settings
[20:41] <Sven__> I don't get it. how can Ubiquity fail to create a user just because it's another computer? I installed Ubuntu successfully on 3 machines in the last few days, but today, it crashes: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ns5dKRXbf5/
[20:41] <MeaCulpa> click on the right top wheel
[20:42] <Sven_vB> trying to install Xenial 64bit on a lenovo ideapad 310
[20:42] <diverdude> TJ-: error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zh8XDms6YJ/
[20:42] <daxmax64> Every time I drag & drop files, Nautilus locks up. Does anyone have a fix for this yet?
[20:43] <TJ-> Sven_vB: any UTF-8 unicode non-ASCII characters in the username?
[20:43] <Onigiri> I setup a bionic today on efi/software raid/lvm in a raid1. Is there some simple mechanic to keep the efi slice on both drives in sync? Can I convince grub to copy the data from one drive to another when it updates?
[20:44] <Sven_vB> TJ-, nope, just 3 ascii letters. I'll try another password hash though, to make sure.
[20:44] <TJ-> diverdude: OK, we're almost there! "sudo dpkg -r sudo dpkg -r linux-image-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic"
[20:44] <TJ-> Sven_vB: could be a length issue maybe?
[20:45] <Sven_vB> TJ-, yeah maybe.
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> MeaCulpa, those don't do anything for my situation
[20:45] <MeaCulpa> ok, can't help you sorry
[20:45] <Sven_vB> oh I accidentially copied a colon with the hash.
[20:45] <Sven_vB> hope that's it
[20:45] <diverdude> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WKKrnj4cdd/
[20:46] <MeaCulpa> Sven_vB you certainly need good typing skills lol
[20:46] <Sven_vB> MeaCulpa, I'd prefer a more helpful error message in Ubiquity. :)
[20:47] <MeaCulpa> <has gone mental over typos
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> the problem is kernel and driver level... that much I have been able to determine. If I run a different distribution, like CentOs, I don't have this issue. So it's something in how Ubuntu is configured to determine available power states. I just don't know what those power states are and which one to disable so it doesn't keep causing this problem
[20:47] <TJ-> diverdude: Another typo by me, here you go  "sudo dpkg -r linux-image-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-{81,83,87,89,92,93}-generic"
[20:47] <MeaCulpa> maybe update the kernel
[20:47] <MeaCulpa> or use another
[20:48] <MeaCulpa> can anyone tell me off the top, where the kernel site is please
[20:48] <TJ-> MeaCulpa: which kernel site? http://kernel.org ?
[20:49] <MeaCulpa> the one with the latest stable update
[20:49] <Sven_vB> TJ-, thanks for the hint about bad characters. :)
[20:49] <TJ-> MeaCulpa: you need to be more precise; it's not clear whether you're referring to Ubuntu kernels, Ubuntu builds of the mainline kernel, or the mainline kernels!
[20:49] <MeaCulpa> thanks TJ
[20:50] <MeaCulpa> I really don't know the difference I just know there is somewhere to get a nice update that is presumably better
[20:51] <MeaCulpa> and I like to try them
[20:52] <pragmaticenigma> The kernels provided in the repos are the most compatible... anything outside of that you will have to compile and build on your own
[20:52] <pragmaticenigma> MeaCulpa, ^ ^
[20:53] <TJ-> !mainline | MeaCulpa
[20:53] <diverdude> TJ-: ok, that worked i think. what now?
[20:54] <TJ-> diverdude: you should have free space? "df -h /boot" ... if so, retry "sudo apt-get -f install"
[20:56] <diverdude> TJ-: yes that went through also
[20:57] <diverdude> TJ-: now sudo apt-get autoremove ?
[20:57] <MeaCulpa> TJ could you give me the url please for mainline kernels please
[20:57] <MeaCulpa> and thanks for your advice
[20:58] <Alabaster> I have a question if I may ask
[20:58] <TJ-> diverdude: I think I did that manually but yes, do it, get it nice and clean again :)
[20:59] <TJ-> MeaCulpa: read the link ubottu gave you
[20:59] <diverdude> TJ-: ahh nice...so i can finally install filezilla i think hehehe
[20:59] <MeaCulpa> thanks everyone you're very helpful
[20:59] <TJ-> diverdude: sorry it took us so long!
[21:00] <Astra1993> How big is the block size in rsync when it's comparing two files?
[21:01] <diverdude> TJ-: hey, dont be sorry. I should thank you....i would have never fixed that myself
[21:01] <Alabaster> Should it say under Properties Permissions Owner as just literally the word "Me" instead of my username on my main account?
[21:02] <pragmaticenigma> diverdude, a good maintence to add in the future is to run apt autoremove after a kernel update, so it will remove the older ones
[21:02] <diverdude> pragmaticenigma: right. thanks
[21:02] <diverdude> Does anybody know if there is an easy way to upload files to MS onedrive in ubuntu? (not using the broken web interface)
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> I have not seen any such tool... could take a look at microsoft garage to see if they have any linux utils they've been working on
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> Alabaster, the GUI tries to be helpful in using friendly words in place of system terms. It is normal to see "Me" under file permissions when the file is created or owned by the current user account. If you were to look in a system directory, you would see the more traditional "root" being used. If you looked in another user folder, you might see their real name in place of their username
[21:06] <Alabaster> yeah I see that. And one other q Pragma..
[21:07] <Alabaster> Under Group a dropdown box for Group says "Linux"
[21:07] <Alabaster> is that correct?
[21:08] <pragmaticenigma> If a group has the name Linux, then yes it is possible
[21:09] <Alabaster> well I changed my username and hostname. My old username since I just went with it was linux@ but changed it to Alabaster@ so I don't know if I did it correctly
[21:10] <Alabaster> I have choices like admin, sudo and such in the nautilus Properties file manager
[21:10] <pragmaticenigma> Each user created also creates a group of the same name
[21:11] <Alabaster> so is there a way to verify my group name for my main account?
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> as long as your new user account is part of the group linux, you will be able to access those files according to the group permissions. Otherwise if you are converting the files and directories to your new account, the command "chown -R alabaster:alabaster ./" the directory containng your files will change both the user and group to your alabaster account
[21:12] <Alabaster> Because Pragma on a second account I created the Group is the username
[21:13] <Alabaster> nope the second account username is "someone" and the permission for group on that account is "someone"
[21:14] <Alabaster> so how can I fix this in my main account?
[21:14] <Alabaster> I'm just going to delete the second account
[21:18] <Alabaster> sorry if I am being unclear
[21:18] <pragmaticenigma> Alabaster, I'm not sure about how to go about what you're doing... I've never migrated user accounts... the account once setup is the account I stick with
[21:19] <Alabaster> I'm just trying to figure out if on my main account Group Permission should be dropped down to "linux" or I should have a choice for "alabaster"?
[21:19] <pragmaticenigma> Alabaster, this page has a good explination on how to change your username.. you don't create a new account to do it https://askubuntu.com/questions/34074/how-do-i-change-my-username
[21:20] <Alabaster> I already changed my username just making sure Group has the write dropdown
[21:20] <pragmaticenigma> No, Alabaster, you said you craeted a new account with the desired account login name
[21:20] <pragmaticenigma> it's not the same thing
[21:21] <Alabaster> sorry to confuse you I created a second account to check to see what the user permissions and group was showing
[21:22] <pragmaticenigma> a better way to check permissions and groups is to use terminal with the command "ls -l" or in some installations "ll" in the directory you are inquireing about. The terminal doesn't use friendly names
[21:23] <pragmaticenigma> Only you as a system owner can determine what the permissions should be... we don't know what is your desired intent and there is no such thing as "one right way" to do something
[21:24] <Alabaster> I typed ll and it say Alabaster (space) linux
[21:24] <pragmaticenigma> that would indicate the files are owned by Alabaster and are part o the group linux
[21:25] <Alabaster> okay so linux is also a correct group.
[21:25] <Alabaster> On the second account I created the permission for home folder for group is only the second user
[21:25] <pragmaticenigma> that would mean the user Alabaster owns the files and can do anything set in the user permission (read, write, execute) and any user belonging to the group "linux" can perform any permission given by the group setting
[21:26] <Alabaster> I can't change the group on the second user in the file manager. It's a dropdown but only shows "someone"
[21:26] <pragmaticenigma> because you don't have permission to modify that file
[21:27] <pragmaticenigma> if the file is owned by the second user, and you are not a part of the group the file is labeled as, you cannot modify the file unless the permission for everyone allows you to
[21:28] <pragmaticenigma> Give this a read, maybe it will help clarify some of what I'm saying better. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[21:28] <Alabaster> so by default a second user only belongs to his own group
[21:29] <Alabaster> and actually I guess that means by default if I create a second user I don't have permissions from my main account
[21:29] <nacc> Alabaster: uh, of course not?
[21:30] <nacc> Alabaster: not sure what the point of users and groups would be otherwise
[21:30] <Alabaster> yeah I guess it makes sense. In windows which I'm used to I only have access to shared
[21:31] <Alabaster> well I am kind of setting myself up to learn how to administer others accounts
[21:32] <pragmaticenigma> Alabaster, window's file permissions are a little different as windows has users and roles... instead of users and groups
[21:32] <Alabaster> I guess that makes sense
[21:32] <nacc> Alabaster: IMO, it's better to learn directly in unix/linux rather than trying to find parallels
[21:33] <nacc> Alabaster: the models are very different, as pragmaticenigma is saying
[21:33] <pragmaticenigma> but they functionally work similar... If a user creates a file, the file automatically is set with their user and their group as the default. usually with the permission of user read, write; group read, write; everyone read;
[21:33] <Alabaster> yeah. I just didn't know if I screwed anything up when I changed my username and hostname
[21:33] <Alabaster> a couple days ago
[21:33] <pragmaticenigma> if you can still access the files, you are probably doing okay
[21:33] <nacc> Alabaster: hostname is generally less relevant
[21:34] <pragmaticenigma> though i would look at that previous article for referance in the future... https://askubuntu.com/questions/34074/how-do-i-change-my-username
[21:34] <nacc> Alabaster: username is ... less common, but i think should work (I believe the underlying tools move stuff), presuming you used the tools to chagne it
[21:34] <nacc> there have been bugs in that area
[21:35] <Alabaster> well either I haven't learn or can't access files on my main account to the second user I created but I guess that what be correct as your saying
[21:36] <Alabaster> I think when I originally changed my username I did do it on a second account because other than already logged in or process to kill I kept getting errors
[21:36] <pragmaticenigma> correct... unless the second user is part of the group assigned yto your files... they will not have access to them
[21:37] <Alabaster> I meant the other way around. Having access from my main account to second user
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> the only way for a user to access another user's files is if that other user is a member of the first user's group (or group assigned to the files) or if the other user has been granted sudo permission
[21:38] <TJ-> Alabaster: you can use ACLs to allow another user access to the home directory, using 'setfacl ...' in appropriate ways
[21:38] <Alabaster> oh wait I didn't set up the second account as an admin like I did the first time I created a second account and removed it
[21:39] <pragmaticenigma> A good idea since you're learning, is to set up a virtual machine running Ubuntu... and test things out in there... that way you can try things out before attempting them on a important machine
[21:40] <Alabaster> Yeah thats what I am doing.
[21:40] <TJ-> Alabaster: Here's an example; my user is 'tj' and has access to /home/squoo.sh:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sHz5zhVNXx/
[21:41] <pragmaticenigma> awesoem... you're well on your way then... knowning to setup a second machine or vm to test with makes life easier
[21:41] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: that's not entirely true, not on a default install
[21:41] <Alabaster> okay I changed the second user to have admin and now in the second account I can change group from someone and or choose sudo
[21:42] <tgm4883> By default, others have read access
[21:43] <Alabaster> I just don't know why on my main account the first one I started on Group my username I changed it to "Alabaster" is not a choice in the Group dropdown box
[21:43] <Alabaster> since the second account has a group to choose that is the username
[21:46] <Alabaster> I'm going try this change home folder name thing..
[21:46] <Alabaster> I don't understand the part home / "newHomeDir" and "newUsername"
[21:47] <Alabaster> do I do it like this usermod -d / home / Alabaster -m Alabaster?
[21:47] <Alabaster> right now its / home / linux
[21:49] <TJ-> Alabaster: there should be no spaces: /home/linux
[21:49] <Alabaster> I know it wont let me type it in chat
[21:49] <TJ-> Alabaster: :O
[21:49] <Alabaster> okay TJ so it's still called home/linux
[21:49] <TJ-> Alabaster: it should be ok as long as it isn't at the start of a line, because most IRC clients interpret / as the start of a command
[21:50] <Alabaster> what do I type out after usermod -d /
[21:50] <Alabaster> ah
[21:50] <TJ-> Alabaster: are you reading "man usermod" to understand the options ?
[21:51] <Alabaster> huh?
[21:51] <Alabaster> I don't understand the question
[21:52] <TJ-> Alabaster: almost every command in Linux has a 'man'ual page describing how to use it; we can these 'man-pages' and the command to view them is 'man <command-name>" so try typing in a terminal "man usermod"
[21:52] <TJ-> s/we can/we call/
[21:53] <Alabaster> wow to much comes up
[21:53] <Alabaster> not just usermod commands
[21:53] <Alabaster> I understand the letters.
[21:54] <Alabaster> what i'm confused is do I substitue newHomeDir to what I want the folder in /home to be called
[21:54] <TJ-> Alabaster: if when a man-page is showing you press 'h' you'll get help on how to navigate/search
[21:56] <Alabaster> I'm saying I understand -d new homedir
[21:57] <Alabaster> and -m is move
[21:57] <Alabaster> I get that. But I don't understand what to type in the directions for newHomeDir. what it's subsituted for the new name I want it to be or the old one???
[21:59] <TJ-> Alabaster: it says right there in the man-page under '-d --home' : "The user's new login directory."
[21:59] <Alabaster> never mind I will just type out usermod -d /home/Alabaster -m Alabaster
[22:00] <Alabaster> currently in process 2782
[22:00] <Alabaster> I don't wanna screw anything up kill that process?
[22:01] <Alabaster> like will it log me out or something or drop the terminal
[22:14] <Orvalvisje> hello?
[22:16] <kostkon> Orvalvisje, hi
[22:16] <Orvalvisje> acer aspire es14 ... wanted to install lubuntu 16.04 ... when finished after restarting it says no bootable device found
[22:16] <UserUS> pragmaticenigma: ha, as if
[22:17] <UserUS> lol nvm my bad
[22:17] <ChiLLabiS> I thank you for helping people! It's so good and plz continue
[22:17] <UserUS> Orvalvisje: Did you install "something else" or did you do install on entire disk?
[22:19] <Orvalvisje> looked into internet where it says i have to change some things(uefi) in the boot, however, i don't have those options7
[22:19] <kenrin> You don't have secure boot in the bios ?
[22:19] <Orvalvisje> @userus... i installed on the entire disk (it is only 32GB)
[22:20] <Orvalvisje> i don't have any uefi options in my boot
[22:23] <Orvalvisje> besides the fact that i am an absolute noob, i also did not make a backup of my win10 that was installed
[22:23] <badboyjer> damn i hate when that happens
[22:23] <badboyjer> must make backup
[22:24] <Orvalvisje> you know, i was so confident that the lubuntu would make a clean install, i did not even check for possible errors on the net, like the 17 version wit Lenovo
[22:25] <kostkon> Orvalvisje, which iso did you install
[22:25] <tomreyn> Orvalvisje: do you know what the first hit on a search engine search for "ubuntu acer aspire es14" is? ;-)
[22:25] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/943947/no-bootable-device-found-after-ubuntu-install-aspire-es-14
[22:25] <UserUS> Orvalvisje: Boot into a Ubuntu Live disk, install and download the gnome boot manager repair tool I think it is (look up a youtube vid with it)
[22:26] <tomreyn> Orvalvisje: it doesn't actually help though, so lets diagnose it
[22:27] <stochastix> Is there a good current walk through on installing Ubuntu on ZFS root, that would work for 18.04?
[22:27] <UserUS> I've done a lot of ubuntu installs through testing and I recall that the no boot device usually means the EUFI boot partition/boot configuration was messed up in the install. Or you incorrectly formatted the drive.
[22:28] <Orvalvisje> @userus ... i am using a usb stick with lubuntu iso 16.04.3 lts amd64
[22:28] <kostkon> stochastix, #ubuntu+1 is the channel for 18.04
[22:28] <stochastix> kostkon: Thanks, apologies .
[22:29] <UserUS> Orvalvisje: TBH, I'd reinstall but do the something else this time and watch a quick vid on what partitions you need. That's the best thing to learn because then it makes it easier to troubleshoot. I gtg, but good luck with your issue man, best of luck
[22:30] <kostkon> Orvalvisje, turns out that 16.04.4 just came out would you willing to try that if you are considering reinstalling
[22:30] <kostkon> be*
[22:31] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: The ES14 is UEFI, and if I recall correctly it is hard-coded to use the Windows EFI boot-manager path and won't save the path to the Ubuntu boot manager
[22:31] <TJ-> Orvalvisje: The solution is to boot from the Installer ISO, choose the 'Try Ubuntu' session, then from that we can talk you through editing the boot-manager path to pretend to be Windows
[22:34] <Orvalvisje> i am sorry, i have to go, my daughter fell in the bathroom ... another time i enter again ... thanks already, sorry to run away like this
[22:39] <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. I'm trying to get an ssh a tunnel outbound to bounce a VLC connection off an external server, and I'm having some issues
[22:40] <_UsUrPeR_> he command I'm using: ssh -vvvNL 7776:remote_server:7777 user@myserver.org
[22:40] <_UsUrPeR_> taking a look at the response, I'm seeing the channel is being closed after seeing "read failed"
[22:40] <_UsUrPeR_> the ssh connection to my remote server is working properly, but it doesn't appear to be forwarding the connection to the remote_server
[22:48] <wedgie> _UsUrPeR_: you mean the ssh from your local to myserver.org works?
[22:49] <MeaCulpa> am I allowed to brag about getting the big game of mines out :)
[22:49] <MeaCulpa> too late I have
[22:49] <MeaCulpa> small things....
[22:50] <wedgie> _UsUrPeR_: then what happens when you send stuff to localhost:7776 ?
[22:53] <kostkon> MeaCulpa, which one
[22:53] <TJ-> _UsUrPeR_: does myserver.org have firewall rules blocking it?
[22:53] <MeaCulpa> 30x16 lol been trying for weeks
[22:54] <MeaCulpa> bows:
[22:54] <kostkon> MeaCulpa, sorry i meant which game specifically from the long list of mines clone games that are out there
[22:54] <MeaCulpa> oh the one that comes bundled with ubuntu 16.04
[22:54] <kostkon> MeaCulpa, hmm
[22:55] <MeaCulpa> I had been thinking it impossible and totally random
[22:56] <MeaCulpa> kostcom bummer theres no prize
[22:56] <kostkon> MeaCulpa, of course there isn't. but yeah it's gnome-mines and it comes preinstalled
[22:57] <MeaCulpa> I can give up wasting my time on it now the thrill has gone lol
[22:58] <kostkon> MeaCulpa, it was about time :P
[22:58] <MeaCulpa> hehe
[22:59] <MeaCulpa> kostkon it's all comes down to luck, maybe I should buy a lottery ticket and return to 'loser' mode
[22:59] <ras> hello all - need some quick turnaround advice on trying to get Ubuntu installed on a new machine. I've never had any trouble getting it working on any machines in the past, but a coworker and I have been trying now for three days and still getting nowhere. It seems like our problems aren't uncommon, but none of the solutions I've found from searches have been any help. Is this a good place to ask for help, or if not, where should I go?
[23:00] <kostkon> MeaCulpa, hmm no don;t bet your mmoney on it so no don't buy one :P
[23:00] <MeaCulpa> that's a winning move kostkon
[23:01] <kostkon> MeaCulpa, hmm i doubt it. if everything was that simple..
[23:01] <MeaCulpa> if I could set up a custom board and put 6 mines in 40 squares then hit even one first click it's time to buy a lottery ticket
[23:02] <wtjones> Hey. I wanted to know where i could find a guide to updating an existing ubuntu package in the repos.
[23:02] <wtjones> as in patching it and putting it on launchpad
[23:03] <guiverc> wtjones, have you looked at the lp guide? https://help.launchpad.net/
[23:04] <wtjones> oh thanks. I had not seen that page
[23:04] <wtjones> <3
[23:04] <robbmunson> wtjones: the ubuntu wiki is a good source too.
[23:05] <wtjones> I want to help bring the irssi package up to date in specific
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> When in Gui or Command line I have an issue that the power save state causes a screen corruption (displays vertical streaks). I believe it to be due to a power save state the monitor does not support. Can someone help me figure out what that power state might be and disable it?
[23:07] <Bashing-om> !details | ras :: here is the palce :)
[23:09] <wtjones> sorry about that, I disconnected by accident
[23:09] <ras> kk
[23:10] <Bashing-om> wtjones: There is also the #irssi channel where it is well supported .
[23:10] <wtjones> cool I just joined
[23:10] <guiverc> wtjones, robbmunson was right; there's a lot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/  (search for what you want)
[23:11] <ras> quick summary: - tried both 16.04 and 17.10 - using new hardware (8700K, TITAN V, 64GB) - Trying to install Ubuntu to a 1.2TB PCIe SSD from a live USB - in UEFI mode, boots to grub screen but after that is always totally black - in BIOS mode, boots into ubuntu live for test/install, but never successfully installs
[23:11] <ras> I've found a ton of forum posts with similar issues but nothing there seems to help
[23:12] <Bashing-om> ras: in UEFI mode, can you boot to the login screen ?
[23:13] <gabe> sup
[23:14] <ras> Bashing-om: No - it just stays black after I choose 'install ubuntu' or 'try ubuntu' options... have tried various parameters with 'e' edit
[23:16] <ras> Also - I don't think it's an nVidia driver issue, as I have the machine configured to boot from IGPU from the motherboard bios level... that doesn't rule out issues with the 8700K IGPU, though
[23:17] <wtjones> guiverc ok cool
[23:17] <Bashing-om> ras: From that liveUSB, what shows - in a pastebin site :' sudo parted -l ' ?  See what it we are working with .
[23:18] <ras> Bashing-om: okay let me check
[23:18] <TJ-> ras: when booting in EFI mode, sometimes, the firmware doesn't correct implement the GOP (Graphics Output Protocol) which results in this kind of issue, I recall there was at one time a workaround but I forget what it is.
[23:18] <wtjones> brb
[23:19] <TJ-> ras: this article has a lot of useful explanation and might help you figure out a way around it https://superuser.com/questions/1030645/how-to-detect-whether-a-uefi-booted-linux-machines-video-mode-is-graphics-outpu#1030808
[23:21] <ras> TJ-: reading now
[23:23] <RobinHood2015> How do I install makepkg-mingw onto Ubuntu? Or is there a dedicated Ubuntu or Debian equivalent for the same?
[23:23] <TJ-> ras: that article suggests the PC's firmware setup menus may have an option to change the mode of the display adapter which is worth trying if it does, because that might be enough to get the installer working... once installed correctly my guess is this won't be a problem and you could switch the video mode back to whatever it is right now
[23:25] <ras> I see... I think I might have tried something like that already, but after I post the 'parted -l' results I can try
[23:28] <ras> Bashing-om: Here is the output: https://pastebin.com/iGE26Kzz      - To explain, there is a 250GB SSD with Win10 on it. Originally I was planning to dual boot on that drive, but because of the issues with install, I decided to try just installing on the 1.2TB directly instead.
[23:30] <ras> If it makes any difference, the 250GB is M.2 and the 1.2TB is PCIe. Both are NVME, and seem to be recognized as such by both motherboard fw and OS
[23:33] <TJ-> ras: when the PC starts in EFI mode, at the GRUB menu, have you tried adding 'nomodeset' to the kernel command-line and starting it with that?
[23:33] <ras> Yes, that was one of the first things I tried
[23:33] <ras> made no difference - still totally black screen
[23:34] <Bashing-om> ras: In "/dev/nvme0n1" there is no /EFI partition to support EFI booting .. Now, I do not "know" UEFI others will have to advise if the esp partition on  /dev/nvme1n1 will also be able to boot the other drive .
[23:34] <ras> yeah, I noticed that as well - again, this is because I can only get the Live USB to run in BIOS mode, not UEFI
[23:35] <Bashing-om> ras: ^^ Nother thought .. is not EFI boot, that GPT partitoining is requited ?
[23:35] <ras> but I guess what I am confused by is - if I can booth the Live USB in BIOS mode and install what *looks* like an Ubuntu partition setup, why can I not boot the install in BIOS mode?
[23:36] <Jordan_U> ras: Have you tried booting with the kernel parameter "video=efifb"?
[23:37] <Bashing-om> ras: However, if you are willing to choose what boots from the firmware, and do not care that you can not boot Windows from ubuntu ... will not matter then if ubuntu is installed on that other drive in MBR mode .
[23:37] <ras> Bashing-om: Honestly partitioning is beyond my knowledge, so idk
[23:37] <dli> how do I disable "Hover click"? if the mouse pointer stays for a few seconds, mouse is auto clicked.
[23:37] <ras> Yeah if necessary we can go to MB FW to change what boots - we will very rarely be using the Win10 side
[23:38] <ras> Jordan_U: No - I will try this now
[23:38] <ras> Jordan_U: Do I simply add this to the existing parameters, or do I need to replace/remove something?
[23:40] <dli> Looks like onboard cannot disable the hover clicking: http://i.imgur.com/B0buvK7.png
[23:41] <tomreyn> ras: you may want to remove "quiet" and "splash" and place it there instead. if this wont work try just adding it before the "---" on the "linux" line
[23:42] <ras> Jordan_U: Just tried removing 'quiet splash' and placing the 'video=efifb' there instead... did not work.
[23:42] <ras> tomreyn: kk, will try that next
[23:42] <TheGrumble> r
[23:43] <Bashing-om> ras: As Jordan_U advises .. replace quiet splash with "video=efifb" . Then also look at : https://www.dell.com/support/article/nl/nl/nlbsdt1/sln299303/loading-ubuntu-on-systems-using-pcie-m2-drives?lang=en for a nvme boot option that may apply on 16.04 .
[23:43] <Jordan_U> ras: Looking further, you may need to specify more than just "video=efifb", you may need to specify your resolution as well like "video=efifb:width:640,height:480" .
[23:46] <ras> Jordan_U: Just tried specifying res - didn't seem to make any change. Will now try Bashing-om 's suggestion with nvme_load ...
[23:49] <Lavinho> good night
[23:50] <Lavinho> how to install refind on ubuntu 17.10
[23:50] <Lavinho> acer es1-132
[23:50] <Lavinho> deb fails
[23:50] <Lavinho> ppa fails
[23:50] <kenrin> fails how?
[23:50] <Lavinho> error
[23:51] <TJ-> Lavinho: is the es1-132 using a 32-bit x86 UEFI and needs grub-efi-ia32 ?
[23:51] <bobdobbs> oh no! not error!
[23:51] <ras> Jordan_U Bashing-om Still not working - black screen
[23:51] <Lavinho> 64
[23:51] <Lavinho> x64
[23:52] <Lavinho> help me please
[23:52] <TJ-> Lavinho: ahhh, this is another model where it hard-codes the boot-manager file path; see this workaround https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/476726/es1-132-cannot-install-other-os-than-windows-10-bios-options-missing/p2
[23:53] <Bashing-om> ras: Regrets. I bow to Jordan_U's and TJ-'s greater skills .
[23:54] <kenrin> Is that an acer specific thing?
[23:55] <Lavinho> acer es1-132
[23:55] <TJ-> kenrin: It's in many Insyde H2O UEFI across many makes/models now
[23:55] <TJ-> kenrin: basically, efibootmgr adds the Ubuntu boot-menu option and can read it back, but after a reboot the firmware has deleted the entry/path if it doesn't confirm to the hard-coded paths in the firmware
[23:56] <TJ-> kenrin: no idea what the programmers were thinking... must have been away with the fairies to write code like that
[23:56] <Lavinho> help me please
[23:57] <kenrin> That is not good when their website says "The most widely used UEFI BIOS in production"
[23:57] <TJ-> Lavinho: I just did, read the workaround in the linked forum post
[23:57] <yoyodownloader> hi, does anyone know of a way to automatically do downloads via another computer?  Like I want to click on a download link, but then my browser should send taht download to my server instead and have the server download it
[23:57] <TJ-> kenrin: because 'cheap'