[00:22] SanSplinter was added by: SanSplinter [00:23] Ubuntu 16.04 up until today I have had extremely good luck with it all working perfectly. Then my mouse stopped showing up after login, the guest user has one though. I’m still able to use keyboard commands but it is nice to be able to use track pad any ideas? [00:27] Hi @SanSplinter, this is not an Ubuntu support group. You may have better luck using this information: https://www.ubuntu.com/support/community-support [00:28] Thanks [00:36] Anyone have any ideas about using the .ovpn with the VPN settings in UT? [01:11] Should be able to import it in settings, iirc [01:30] @dohbee, There's not a way to import the entire file in the setting. You can import certificates, keys, and ciphers but not the entire file. [01:33] @dohbee, Would that be something I could do in the terminal and it show up under the network quick setting? [02:37] @wayneoutthere, Thanks. 🙂👍 [02:52] este es mejor [02:52] https://www.lightinthebox.com/es/xiaomi-redmi-5-plus-5-99-smartphone-4g-3gb-32gb-12-mp-octa-core-4000mah_p6430171.html?category_id=206&prm=1.4.1.1 [02:56] este es lo mejor de xiaomi en relación calidad precio [02:56] https://www.lightinthebox.com/es/xiaomi-mi-a1-5-5-pulgada-smartphone-4g-64mb-4gb-12-mp-octa-core-3080mah_p6353656.html?category_id=206&prm=1.4.1.1 [03:09] No support for ubports yet. You are welcome to port [03:09] You may also be ish yo visit @ubports_es [03:09] [Edit] You may also wish to visit @ubports_es [03:19] sfsascha was added by: sfsascha === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:13] Please tell me [06:14] I've installed ut 15.04 stable [06:14] Via multirom [06:15] But where I boot my phone from UT I giving a reboot [06:15] After few seconds [06:15] bacon device [06:37] MultiROM isn't officially supported although I don't have a problem with my Nexus 5 [06:40] what is bacon? Nexus 5x? [06:41] @Javacookies, OnePlus One [06:41] @Javacookies, U use nexus 5 ? [06:41] I have some doubt's can I ask here or pm 🤔 [06:44] yes, I use Nexus 5 [06:45] @Lyokanthrope, oh I see, thanks … I'm still confused with these device nicknames :D [06:45] Nexus 5x is bullhead, 5 is hammerhead === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:53] Anyone have an old sharp about with the OS wiped? Also I'm thinking of opening up my old kawami freetel and putting a new back on if, changing the sync port, and battery. [08:01] li zhihao was added by: li zhihao [08:08] @li zhihao, Hi li zhihao … Welcome! You may start here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome Ask, chat, explore! [08:09]

i bought a second-hand nexus 5 today [08:10] good choice, welcome soon on board, for installations follow the tutorial in case fo daubts go to install room you will find the link in the welcome page 👍 [08:10] [Edit] good choice, welcome soon on board, for installations follow the tutorial in case of daubts go to install room you will find the link in the welcome page 👍 [08:24]

Thank you [08:24]

i will try it later [08:24] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/woEomwrU.webp [08:25]

i am now having My English class [08:26] @li zhihao, aside from the battery and video (play/record), it's definitely a great experience ;) … if you want to experience the fullpotential [08:26] of you Nexus 5, I suggest you buy a slimport as well :) [08:27] and bluetooth KB/mouse if you can :P [08:32] What keyboard/mouse is recommended for Nexus 5? (UK shop purchase) [08:34]

yeah ,i have a slimport [08:35]

i use oneplus 3t as My daily phone [08:38] @Stereofont, I've come across a couple of russian people whom were asking the same question. Does anyone have an idea if we already have or if someone wants to start a russian group? [08:38] The same goes for any language, apart from english [08:38] But the general question remains; Are we ready for this? [08:38]

i am a Chinese😂 [08:38] as a community [08:39] @li zhihao, hmm, what do you think of the idea of having a chinese group? [08:39]

i try to understand English [08:39]

Chinese can't use telegram [08:39] Touche! [08:41] What do chinese users use as a communication platform? [08:42]

wechat And qq [08:42]

they're widely use in China [08:43] Line? [08:43] @AmolithSeregion, I would also like to know the answer to this. [08:45]

(Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/JYlj0mYQ.png [08:45]

(Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/XDEIGqJ0.png [09:36] @Mohannes, We have a Russia group already 😂 [09:37] @li zhihao, uMatriks could be used? [09:39] @li zhihao, We expect a community port of that for Ubuntu Touch soon ™ [09:56] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/RGuwPzYR.mp4 [10:05] @Mohannes, if the group is managed by a trusted mod who knows the language... [10:05] some groups have shown to have... temperament [10:05] English + Native languages seems to be a perfect combo [10:06] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3aSmrFaY.mp4 [10:06] A liason between "us" and "them" #nopolitics #saynotoracism #metoo #u2 [10:07] @YougoChats, Having temprament is fine. As long as it is canalized into the right projects ;) [10:07] or canalized at any capacity at all [10:14]

i haven't heard this app [10:15] It doesn't work properly on MultiROM [10:15]

umatriks [10:16] @li zhihao, Yes [10:17]

What's uMatriks [10:19] uMatriks is a Matrix protocol client for Ubuntu Touch. [10:24] @li zhihao, uMatriks is distributed (P2P) and encrypted [10:24] We are also trying to develop Serval Mesh for UT [10:24] @Stereofont, Its no p2p [10:25] @PhoenixLandPirate, Maybe not exactly but it is mesh, no? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:26] I understood it was distributed, not centralised like Skype is now [10:26] You can make your own server or sign up to one of several [10:26] @Stereofont, Its decentralized, but being decentralized doesn't mean its p2p [10:26] Well the several are not Microsoft 😎 [10:26] If you want p2p use something like tox [10:27] @PhoenixLandPirate, Something more that I must study, sometime … [10:30] @Mohannes, Chaotic political environments are bound to have a reflection in here. We have to defuse that as much as possible but we cannot - should not - build a wall against it [10:30] @Phoenix Land Pirate: "If you want p2p use something like tox" … I'd love for there to be a qtox apples fir Touch [10:30] @Mark, The problem with something like that is battery drain [10:31] @Mark, I understood from an earlier discussion that fox had very few developers and that not much is happening with it now [10:31] So I have been led to understand [10:31] @Mark, [Edit] I understood from an earlier discussion that tox had very few developers and that not much is happening with it now [10:32] @Stereofont, Idk I haven't used it for about a year and a half [10:32] I think it is still under development [10:32] We have Signal. Other secure messengers are expected in UT soon [10:33] there's an app for that, but that's centralized [10:36] Do I remember a model from Huawei is in the pipeline for devices to port to? [10:36] *that a [10:38] There is a Xiaomi [10:39] @Stereofont, great answer....building a wall.... [10:39] Hmm. Aquaris U plus interesting if that happens … [10:39] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dKkl4MoY.mp4 [10:40] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gg0jcTbj.mp4 [10:42] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/C3p0jfS5.mp4 [10:43] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CEsvxzs2.mp4 [10:44] wait....wut....it's @PhoenixLandPirate! back from the far lands of being off-grid! [10:44] Haven't seen you in ages! [10:44] *hides* [10:44] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gO5lxS0e.mp4 [10:45] Too late! The BATMAN HAS ALREADY SPOTTED YOU! [10:51] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EdS4vZew.mp4 [10:52] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0rc257Le.mp4 [10:53] How are you? [10:56] I'm slipping into your DM :) [11:17] Mohannes is our Batman, always here even you might think he is not, like UBAM group he is also member. The only one who can deal with him it is @wayneoutthere [11:17] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8xD5eCHa.mp4 [11:18] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0WRnC4WW.mp4 [11:18] I did not choose the BATLIFE, the BATLIFE choose me. [11:18] (this is me, every morning, putting on the suit) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:22] mcm71 was added by: mcm71 [11:23] @milkor73, @PhoenixLandPirate was the OG superhero of this community. In which shadow do you think I am lurking? [11:23] Phoenix's shadow! [11:24] @mcm71, Hi Michele, … Welcome! You may start here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome Ask, chat, explore! [11:25] @milkor73, @wayneoutthere can't deal with me. You cannot contain greatness! [11:26] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/d3supiF1.mp4 [11:26] @milkor73, HI Michele! Welcome to our little humble abode [11:26] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/5d7ACpkM.mp4 [11:26] 👍 [11:26] having some fun here now [11:27] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/tePAZiWq.mp4 [11:27] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/pFoon3s4.mp4 [12:10]

we use stickers like this [12:10]

(Photo, 666x514) https://irc.ubports.com/ssN9MseM.png [12:39] Is there a community flash for the Nexus 7 (v.2) [12:41] @Stereofont, ServalMesh does this. We have a dev group for this app now for UT [12:42] @Mark, Which device name exactly? flo/deb can be flashed to Ubuntu. grouper cannot. [12:43] @Mohannes, I hear someone talking a lot but without any substance. Ah, yes. Batman. Where is my mosquito repellent? [12:45] more like gif repellent [12:46] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Nq1bOJtT.mp4 [12:46] @wayneoutthere [12:46] The 2013 model: Razor [13:21] I think not. There are no images built for that device name, and I think it requires a kernel change to support it. [13:21] but it shouldn't be too hard to get working, if someone wanted to maintain it [13:32] UT activate PC version only if i'll connect my phone to monitor? [13:33] [Edit] UT will activate PC version only if i'll connect my phone to monitor? [13:33] @chronosmsx, if you install Ubuntu Touch Tweak Tool, you can switch to desktop mode manually [13:33] but the screen will be on your phone and tiny [13:34] 5.5 inches with 1920:1080 will not correct the situation? [13:38] if your phone's display is big enough, a Desktop mode toggle will appear system indicator [13:39] or if you change your phone's UI scaling (grid unit), this toggle will appear if it's small enough [13:40] (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/aEIo8z0Q.png [13:40] (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/q04DzJcB.png [13:40] (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/35lp0Imx.png [13:41] this is on a FP2 [13:41] and telegram uploaded the pictures in the wrong order [13:41] Can i use apt functions? [13:41] @Stereofont, Wew [13:42] what is wew? did you want to sey When? [13:42] sey))) [13:43] @chronosmsx, you'd need to make the file system writable first, but changes to the system can break your install at the next update [13:43] My system is writable at default [13:44] I've installed UT in a MultiROM box [13:45] i don't know if that makes the system partition of UT itself writable [13:45] :) thank you [13:53] @chronosmsx, I don't think the system is writable by default even if installed via MultiROM [13:54] you can use UT Tweak tool as well to make your system image writable [14:01] Guys, do you know of any MDM (mobile device management) solutions for ubuntu touch? Or at least is there any way of remote wiping/tracking of devices? I'll do a fresh install in a few days on a hammerhead and that's why I'm not familiar with the included packages yet [14:03] No, the rootfs is mounted readonly still [14:04] installing in rootfs with apt is not really supportable either [14:04] @dirmanhero, There is no remote management stuff yet, no [14:07] Aye, thanks a lot💪 [14:10] I love the dutch language 😂 [14:13] Het is ook een geweldige taal, die een beetje lijkt op het Duits. [14:14] Aan de andere kant, de grammatica is ontzettend onregelmatig. Wat het een ontzettend moeilijke taal om te leren maakt. [14:14] Bjarne ;) [14:15] we can have incredible amounts of consonants in a row in one word [14:15] slechtstschrijvend [14:15] Try to say it out loud Bjarne :) [14:16] "Als de potvis in de pispot pist. Zit de pispot vol met potvispis." [14:16] #classic [14:17] weird language 😜 looks like someone slapped the keyboard [14:17] Says the Norwegian [14:17] haha :P [14:17] fabian was added by: fabian [14:20] hey guys..i tried to install ubuntu touch on oneplus one bacon. i used the latest release of ubports. after some tries, it started copying the ubunt touch files to the phone. but after 10% it stopped and nothing happened..now i dont have any os on the phone. i tried it again but the ubports stops at the point where it is flushing the [14:20] phone with the bootloader..any suggestions? [14:20] @mariogrip, Dampskipsundervannsstyrkeprøvemaskinerikonstruksjonsvanskeligheter! [14:21] @Mohannes, Cat stand on the keyboard again? 😉 [14:21] @dohbee, Hey look, something I'm interested in [14:21] Now that is a keyword wreck [14:22] @UniversalSuperBox, Hurry, to the Dalton mobile! [14:22] And gogogo :) [14:22] But I think 'trusted computing' is a prerequisite of MDM [14:22] @DanChapman, Apparently it is one of the longest norwegian words [14:22] Otherwise someone just tosses a custom kernel on your device and everything is done. [14:22] @UniversalSuperBox, #MeToo [14:24] @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah. Depending on how secure you need it to be, it is. But we can enable some things even without the trusted prerequisite [14:25] Have you ever considered if Ubuntu Touch could run without phablet being a sudoer? [14:25] That would get us at least 50% of the way there [14:32] @UniversalSuperBox, It could AFAIK. But it will make debugging and such a bit of a pain in some cases. Won't be able to remount rw, for example. [14:32] Well, that's kinda the point [14:33] I don't think I'd make it the default mode. [14:33] for "normal" users, there's no need for sudo. or terminal app, so go ahead and remove it from default install too? :) [14:34] but aside from that, it shouldn't be too difficult to implement a Prey client [14:35] remote data wipe is going to be very difficult to implement without sudo or without moving rootfs to be a read-only squashfs in system partition so that bootloader lock could theoretically work [14:35] Rootfs on system partition is already possible [14:36] No need to squash it... ohhhh, you could verify it that way [14:36] You smart, Rodney [14:36] squash it means you can't remount rw at all, and you can verify it :) [14:36] We'd have to offer something like persistence on a live CD in that case [14:36] persistence of what? [14:36] Or just beef up Libertine, I suppose [14:37] Some people like to mess with computers === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [14:38] hmm, let them build their own insecure system.img perhaps? [14:39] hmm, fixing this openstore bug is going to be a little more work than i thought [14:39] OpenStore not working in 16.04? [14:39] will have to do later since it's not super trivial as i thought [14:39] It needs a rebuilt [14:40] I think the current idea is to ship a build with a newer version number in 16.04 images so it keeps working on 15.04 [14:40] @UniversalSuperBox, no, the launcher icon refresh issue [14:40] Ah. [14:41] And now we really need to think about how we can handle ABI from 16.04 to 18.04 in advance [14:41] ... There are no solutions yet [14:42] Oh good, the entirety of `/home` is persisted [14:43] there are no implemented solutions, anyway [14:44] The only thing that might be possible is this guy from Solus: https://github.com/solus-project/linux-steam-integration#linking-compatibility [14:44] But I don't fully understand what it does, so I'm not able to judge [14:44] But apparently it solves "the infamous libstdc++.so.6 vendoring which breaks open source graphics drivers on systems compiled with the new GCC C++ ABI" [14:45] i think it does more than that [14:45] Well yeah, but that specific thing seems relevant to our interests [14:45] i have a solution in my head, but it requires writing a new packaging system, and building an OS distribution [14:46] Seems a little too high-scale [14:46] yeah [14:46] on the order of switching to an all snaps based install [14:47] but with the benefit of being designed around end user device needs, rather than iot sensor nets [14:47] Which kinda solves those problems, I guess. Your C++ can be in your base snap, no? [14:48] Thinking only about the top-level applications rather than snapping everything [14:51] @AmolithSeregion, Getting used in 55 USD 🤔 [14:51] Is it OK ? [14:52] you can have a 16.04 core and 18.04 core snap both installed, and then you can have a 16.04 and 18.04 content api snaps [14:52] but getting it all working is going to be extremely painful [14:53] Mhmm. First things that come to mind are the plugs required for us [14:56] yeah, interfaces are one issue. [14:57] Hmm... wonder if I can find a document on how sqashfs persistence works [14:58] Mkay, something called `casper-rw` [15:00] Ah, it's a hook in initramfs [15:00] what do you mean? [15:00] @fabian, fabian, you might try asking in the Welcome and Install group, as there is a lot of experience there with install problems: … https://t.me/WelcomePlus [15:00] persistent storage of user data? [15:01] @dohbee, squashfs is possible, but would require huge changes to system-image that I don't think anyone would take on without knowing that it's the right solution. [15:02] hmm, would it? [15:03] i guess those same changes would be needed to put rootfs inside system.img no? [15:03] Well, system-image is built on the premise that you have a raw image file [15:04] Nope. That's already done [15:05] The system partition can be an Ubuntu rootfs. That's what all the official devices do. [15:05] You just specify `SYSPART=/dev/mmcblkwhatever` on the commandline. [15:07] but it's on the data partition now, no? [15:07] On our ports, yes [15:07] But it could go to `/system` [15:07] We just don't [15:08] ok [15:08] i guess the first step down the "make the device trusted/secure" route, would be to do that? [15:11] peredelgrau was added by: peredelgrau [15:11] Can I ask question not related to Ubuntu Touch but related to Android development? [15:12] Actually it will be related to Ubuntu Touch too [15:14] I built LOS for my device. Everything was fine except RIL. RIL was not working. Then I built RR just to try. I thought RIL will be dead there too but it was working on RR. So if RR is based on LOS how is this possible? [15:14] bugs [15:14] @dohbee, what bugs? [15:15] I am sorry again if this question is offtopic but I really need answer. Because I am planning to build more ROMs including Ubuntu Touch and this thing needs to be fixed [15:16] i don't know, but that seems off topic for this chat. you can maybe ask for more help in @halium [15:16] maybe you could also go talk to lineage devs too [15:17] @dohbee, I did. They didn't answered [15:17] Actually the answer I got was rude [15:18] hmm [15:18] yeah, some of the people there can be quite rude :( [15:19] anyway, i suggest you join @halium then, and hopefully someone can help you (you need to get halium working on the device first anyway, to get ubuntu ported, at this point) [15:19] @dohbee, Yep [15:19] @dohbee, they will answer to questions like this? [15:20] @redshaman, halium is for the android layer stuff for enabling things like ubuntu and plasma mobile ports [15:20] maybe won't help you fix lineage, but if you can get halium built and it works there, i guess you will have your answer :) [15:21] @UniversalSuperBox, cool. i guess it probably won't be too much work after that, to enable it being a squashfs instead of an unpacked tarball [15:21] @dohbee, thanks for your time. ^_^ [16:07] Oneplus one is the arm or arm64? [16:08] armhf [16:15] @dohbee, The work would be in updating irt [16:15] @dohbee, [Edit] The work would be in updating it [16:22] What gapps I need to download? [16:24] There are no gapps [16:24] It's not Android [16:35] Hmm... @dohbee, what do you see in using a squashfs over a raw image file, if the raw image is mounted read-only? Faster to verify at boot time, sure. Compressed, sure. Anything else? [16:46] Ubuntu touch for kenzo [16:52] Supported devices are in the group description [16:54] Its not supported [17:09] @UniversalSuperBox, i guess a raw image is ok if it can't be remounted rw and modified on the device. otherwise if we get to the point of enabling re-locking the bootloader after install, one could very easily hard brick some devices [17:19] Not particularly, reflashing with a factory image should be fine since it matches the embedded OEM key [17:19] Even with a locked bootloader, no? [17:20] @dohbee, The only reason that the image is re-mountable is because we do this dance in initramfs: … ```mount [image] /root -o rw … mount /root -o remount,ro``` [17:20] Otherwise busybox sets up a read-only loop device and you can't remount [17:21] @UniversalSuperBox, not on newer devices where unlocking is a more complicated process, where you have to enable it from the OS side first. [17:22] so if the OS gets screwed up and the system won't boot it because it's invalid, you can't get past the bootloader, and you can't unlock it to reflash [17:22] (don't ask me how i know) [17:23]