[00:00] <ras> Jordan_U TJ- So where do I go from here?
[00:00] <ras> Also, poking around in motherboard settings, appears Secure Boot is not currently enabled. Would that make any difference?
[00:01] <TJ-> ras: SB wouldn't. Can you determine if the PC is working normally but has no video output, or has actually hung and is no longer responsive?
[00:02] <ras> TJ-:   I can't tell... what would be a good test for that? a ping or something?
[00:03] <TJ-> ras: yes, or possibly check your gateway router's web admin panel see if it shows connected clients (that have received DHCP leases)
[00:03] <ras> TJ-: OK, will check what I can
[00:04] <TJ-> ras: did you test the 'nomodeset' option ?
[00:04] <ras> Yes, it was one of the first things I tried. Same results
[00:05] <guiverc> yoyodownloader, i haven't done it, but i'd just save your links to a directory that is scanned by the other machine, it would then download any links saved. If a new ubuntu iso comes out, I often grab links on a workstation, which are then downloaded from server using saved links
[00:06] <guiverc> yoyodownloader, in my example - i run a script on server that looks for 'newer than last run' links for which to download; instead you'd use a cron job having scan automatic...
[00:06] <TJ-> ras: which does seem to suggest - if it is solely a video issue - this is about the firmware video interface. usually efifb should load and be active. Is the system using hybrid GPUs (low/high power) ? If so, have you tried selecting the high-power GPU for installation ?
[00:07] <yoyodownloader> guiverc: yeah, guess it would need to be a browser extension though because i need to save cookie info too for the link to work
[00:07] <ras> TJ-: When you say 'high power', do you mean the external GPU? I was under the impression that would probably cause more problems, but I can give it a try
[00:08] <guiverc> yoyodownloader, my example is just links (urls to download) which are not done via any change to browser; just saved to a specific directory on nfs-server accessible to other machine..
[00:11] <halt> Hi All, just changed from Ubuntu Gnome to mainline Ubuntu as part of a fresh install I'm however not happy with the look , this orange theme is not for me, how can I change back to the stock Gnome 3 Gnome shell theme ? ( blueish things )
[00:11] <TJ-> ras: yes, because sometimes the way the switching between internal/external is done can cause problems
[00:12] <guiverc> halt, have you added the gnome-tweak-tool
[00:12] <ras> TJ-: I see. Testing now...
[00:14] <halt> guiverc: Yes and I have the nice warning next to the Shell
[00:15] <halt> I tried to install the https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/ extension whih allow me to upload some custom CSS but I can't find the stock Gnome Shell theme and at the same time I belive there must be an easier way to revert the ubunutu customization
[00:16] <guiverc> halt, i'm not a gnome user, so i'm not the best person to answer.  when 17.10 came out (or was in beta) i recall reading how to do what you want; but I never took notice..
[00:17] <guiverc> halt, maybe look at https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/install-vanilla-gnome-shell-ubuntu-17-10
[00:18] <kenrin> Isn't that just like a theme pack?
[00:18] <guiverc> i recall lots of such articles (working on uwn), but as didn't relate to me specifically, i processed for uwn & then forgot...
[00:31] <ras> TJ-: Tried various kernel parameters with the external GPU setup as the primary graphics device. No luck so far.
[00:32] <fishcooker> im used to use suspending feature but right now the suspend not work after using the new kernel... i don't remember history of the last used kernel even after i install stock kernel the suspend won't work ... sleep just for 2 second then box up again http://vpaste.net/oyPpb
[00:32] <ras> Also tried to find the device IP and ping it - very hard to locate it actually; we have many machines on our network. But so far I'm not sure if  it's even getting an IP - might just be unresponsive and locked up
[00:36] <rhoks> hi guys...
[00:38] <rhoks> I was cleaning my laptop earlier using a piece of cloth that was fairly wet, then my mouse was moving around stuttering so I disabled the touchpad using the keyboard keys FN+F7 which has the touchpad sign, but now when I want to turn it back on it isn't working
[00:39] <rhoks> opened the control center using the keyboard and there is no setting to turn the touchpad on or off
[00:39] <rhoks> can I get it to work? what do I need to install maybe
[00:40] <purplepod> rhoks, have you tried fully powering it off, unplug it, pull the battery, then put it back, plug back in, power on?
[00:40] <ras> TJ-: Okay, I was able to find it's IP on our network... however, it doesn't respond to a ping when trying to run the Live USB in UEFI mode.
[00:41] <rhoks> purplepod: ummm when I say touchpad I mean mousepad. But no I didn't unplug anything
[00:42] <purplepod> Huh? Touchpad = build in touch device on your laptop
[00:42] <purplepod> I don't know what you mean by 'mousepad'
[00:42] <purplepod> unless you mean the same thing
[00:42] <fishcooker> rhoks: sometimes reboot will make the touchpad working again
[00:43] <purplepod> just 100% power off your laptop and then restart.  you may need to pull the battery to fully 'reset' everything
[00:43] <rhoks> unfortunately this laptop's battery is internal
[00:43] <rhoks> so I can't do that but I can shutdown
[00:43] <rhoks> and unplug power cord
[00:45] <xMopx> What do people use for patch management on ubuntu servers?
[00:47] <rhoks> i just installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics hope that helps
[00:49] <fishcooker> anyone here got experience with short suspending then the laptop wake up in at least 2 second after entering sleep?
[00:56] <rhoks> heh, still no luck, I installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[00:57] <rhoks> -libinput was already present it seems
[00:57] <rhoks> logged out and back in yet no touchpad settings available in the gnome-control-center
[01:00] <BillD73> how would I go about setting up a NFS loopback for local machine to recognize itself other then direct path to shares
[01:01] <BillD73> example in Kodi when browsing to add a share source I select nfs next i select nfs://192.168.1.64 and it tells me that the network is not connected
[01:03] <BillD73> nevermind that sound like a bad issue
[01:28] <guiverc> BillD73, I don't know Kodi, but i just ssh'd to a nfs server; and it could easily mount its own shares. is this what you meant by loopback?
[01:31] <BillD73> guiverc: yes
[01:32] <BillD73> guiverc: but i just read an article that doing so seems to cause a lot of deadlocks and is not a supported feature
[01:32] <BillD73> however sadly, samba seems to do so willingly
[01:33] <memo1> Hi, im trying since yesterday to install the ubuntu-server on my mini pc (i5).  I think is possible that the target hard disk have an issue.  how i manage to test it? before try intallation?
[01:34] <guiverc> i've not had issues, but it could also be my use case
[01:34] <BillD73> guiverc: yeah  I dunno,  trying another solution lol
[01:35] <guiverc> memo1, I'd check status of drive (using drives own stats, ie. SMART data using `smartctl`  (smartmontools), then maybe `testdisk` (test it yourself)
[01:36] <memo1> guiverc: if im using the installer, i can access the console and execute that command?
[01:37] <memo1> guiverc: smartctl: not found
[01:37] <guiverc> pretty sure you can (I haven't installed server in awhile; i release-upgrade)
[01:37] <guiverc> install it first - `apt install smartmontools`
[01:38] <memo1> guiverc: oh, im usig the installer console.  It dont let me install anything
[01:39] <guiverc> try ctrl+alt+f2 to get another console..
[01:39] <memo1> guiverc: yes.  Im on a console.
[01:39] <memo1> guiverc: but apt install faild
[01:40] <guiverc> do you have networking up? ( i haven't installed in awhile; and just auto check issues as they occur)
[01:40] <memo1> guiverc: yes
[01:41] <guiverc> routing look ok?
[01:41] <memo1> guiverc: i can do ping to www.google.com
[01:41] <guiverc> what version of ubuntu?
[01:42] <memo1> guiverc: ubuntu-server 16.04.4
[01:43] <guiverc> `apt update`  (and check you have external sources in /etc/apt/sources.list maybe)
[01:43] <memo1> guiverc: apt not found
[01:44] <bazhang> guiverc, sources.list.d as well
[01:45] <memo1> guiverc: the folder dont exist
[01:45] <Bashing-om> !info smartmontools xenial
[01:45] <bazhang> memo1, what does lsb_release -a give in the terminal
[01:45] <guiverc> bazhang, is right; i thought that was implied (bad me!)
[01:45] <TJ-> Errr, if it's the -server terminal installer there is no apt, the command would need to be done in the chroot /target/
[01:46] <memo1> bazhang: not found
[01:46] <Klox> Hi all, any docker folks here? I have a tftpd server running in an Ubuntu 16.04 image (windows host). I can access the tftpd server internal to the container, but not outside (using windows host). Running tcpdump I see a request come in for the tftp file, but the follow-up UDP packet from container to the host is "unreachable" (https://pastebin.com/Qru4CJXJ). I'm using default "ubuntu:16.04" image. I can add a nginx server to the image
[01:46] <Klox> and the http request/responses come through fine on port 80.
[01:47] <bazhang> memo1, is this an actual install, or a rescue of one, or what
[01:47] <TJ-> Klox: does the container have a route to the host's sub-net ?
[01:49] <memo1> bazhang: im trying to install the ubuntu-server, but it always fails during base-system.  I think is a problem with my disk and i want to check
[01:49] <memo1> bazhang: is a minicomputer (i5), that have windows xp before.  Is any restriction on bios for linux installations?. first time that i cant install a linux distro
[01:51] <guiverc> memo1, if you're having trouble with the server; boot say a desktop-ubuntu (selecting try-ubuntu) and use it to diagnose your disk; then if ok return to server install.
[01:52] <memo1> guiverc: once on live (try-ubuntu) how i check the disk?
[01:52] <Klox> TJ-: ip route list shows one route from my container (172.17.0.2) to the subnet 172.17.0.0/16.
[01:53] <TJ-> Klox: and what sub-net is the host OS in ?
[01:53] <guiverc> what i walked you thru, install & run smartmontools (/dev/sda or wherever; extra options I usually have to use due hardware raid), install textdisk etc & run
[01:53] <TJ-> Klox: does the container not have a default route too?
[01:54] <guiverc> walked you thru was a stretch -- i walked you thru nothing sorry - i 'vagely mentioned' may be more apt.
[01:54] <TJ-> guiverc: not so apt if apt isn't installed :P
[01:55] <guiverc> apt or apt-get, but i've never had issues using `apt` (or apt-get on a try-ubuntu before... but i said it'd been awhile since i installed server; 14.04 if not 12.04 is what i'm meaning)
[01:55] <memo1> guiverc: there is any settings on bios that could affect the installation process?
[01:56] <Klox> TJ-: The container has a default route to 172.17.0.1. The host has a handful of interfaces. the vEtherent is on 172.20.194.129 and DockerNAT is on 10.0.75.1.
[01:56] <Klox> So it doesn't quite look like it, however I can set up a nginx server and the tcp response comes back fine.
[01:56] <guiverc> memo1, possibly but i'm not the person to help you with that.  if you had XP though; it was old & thus its probably set to legacy to get xp installed.
[01:57] <Klox> In the pastebin log output the tcpdump is reporting "7fe7d78e044b.59726 > 172.17.0.1.39579: UDP, length 516" followed by udp port 39579 unreachable.
[01:58] <Klox> The 7fe... is the hostname of the container.
[02:05] <TJ-> Klox: is there some kind of NAT going on, on the host?
[02:07] <Klox> TJ-: Yes I believe so, I am using docker-for-windows. I will have to read more about it.
[02:07] <TJ-> Klox: maybe it's configured for TCP but not (correctly) for UDP
[02:08] <guiverc> TJ-, :)  yeah my use of apt was inappropriate... cute..
[02:08] <Klox> TJ-: Possibly, I guess I should raise this issue on the docker forums for windows then. Thanks appreciate the feedback.
[02:09] <TJ-> guiverc: interestingly, although the -server rootfs has no dpkg/apt, the ISO (mounted at /cdrom/) has smartmontools in it's repository at /cdrom/pool/main/s/smartmontools/smartmontools_6.4+svn4214-1_amd64.deb  --- so, if the /target/ has been built at this point it would be possible to install it in the chroot and run it
[02:10] <BugzBunny> Hello
[02:10] <BugzBunny> I can't watch Netflix with Chromium?
[02:10] <BugzBunny> I need Chrome?
[02:10] <BugzBunny> Ubuntu 17.10
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> That is correct BugzBunny ... Chromium does not include proprietary codecs needed for DRM playback on Netflix
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> Though it is possible to add the ability, I have only seen it done with Raspian for the raspberry pi
[02:13] <BugzBunny> grrrrrrr
[02:14] <BugzBunny> The problem, I have Chromium in Cgroup
[02:14] <BugzBunny> It uses Too much memory
[02:14] <guiverc> TJ-, didn't know that!; maybe I'd not had real issues with server installer as I'd have thought I'd have remember that.  thanks.
[02:15] <BugzBunny>  I'll install Chrome and put into cgroup later
[02:15] <MeaCulpa> can anyone tell me if virtualbox will open an *.iso stored on the local hard disk please
[02:15] <BugzBunny> There is new show on Netflix i was getting into
[02:16] <MordepedroM> i am having problems installing ubuntu on asus laptop.. always getting freeze screen on booting.. currently using fedora workstation and also having problems with fedora because i aint able to reboot or shutdown the pc without hardshutdown and the nvidia drivers always always failling when installing thats one of the reasons i am trying to see if with ubuntu will be easier. i ve tryed ubuntu 14 and 17 disabled secure boot tryed uefi
[02:16] <MordepedroM> mode all that i believe i missing something can someone please help
[02:16] <pragmaticenigma> MeaCulpa, You will have to seek support from Oracle and it's user groups, or do a google search
[02:16] <MeaCulpa> cheers
[02:17] <MeaCulpa> it keeps looking for usb grrr
[02:19] <BugzBunny> Mercury10: I us Virtualization a lot
[02:19] <BugzBunny> I have Windows 3.1 NT running for 86box
[02:20] <BugzBunny> ISO?
[02:20] <BugzBunny> OPEN?
[02:20] <pragmaticenigma> BugzBunny, it was MeaCulpea that was talking about VMs and they have left the room
[02:20] <BugzBunny> meh
[02:20] <BugzBunny> I was thinking he thought ISOs was Zip files
[02:20] <pragmaticenigma> Unfortunately their question was one that we can't really support as it wasn't ubuntu based
[02:21] <BugzBunny> commin thing people think
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> Mea is quite knowledgeable, but this wasn't quite the right venue for their question
[02:22] <MordepedroM> i want to be ubuntu based but my laptop is givin a fight
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know how well ubuntu 14 handled UEFI, 16.04 I think was better equiped for it MordepedroM
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> but if you couldn't get it working in 17... not sure
[02:23] <MordepedroM> i ve tryed the LTS version
[02:24] <BugzBunny> pragmaticenigma: Then I don't have tell, you assign a CD-ROM drive, and mount the ISO
[02:24] <MordepedroM> its my bios settings or the way i am making the ISO  that is givin the problems i believe
[02:25] <pragmaticenigma> MordepedroM, what type of media are you using to install with? USB or DVD/CD-ROM?
[02:26] <MordepedroM> i am using USB i used the ubuntu make disk gui to place the iso on the usb
[02:27] <pragmaticenigma> Do you already have a installed version of Ubuntu on another machine?
[02:28] <MordepedroM> my OS is not in english i am not sure if the name of aplication is make disk... but its the one with the image of an hard disk and ubuntu logo with green arrow
[02:28] <Jordan_U> ras: It may just be that Ubuntu is trying to drive the wrong video output. Try as many outputs, on each of your cards (even if you think it's disabled). Somewhat a stab in the dark, but worth trying.
[02:28] <MordepedroM> yes i am using ubuntu on my old laptop and trying to install on my new laptop
[02:29] <MordepedroM> on my old laptop i am running the latest ubuntu version and would like to use also on the new one
[02:30] <pragmaticenigma> MordepedroM, if you followed these instructions https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#0 then your most of the way there... it sounds like it is a BIOS/UEFI issue, to which I'm unfortunately unfamiliar with. there are a others here that can help with that
[02:31] <BugzBunny> I am pretty familiar with UEFI
[02:31] <BugzBunny> I support UEFI
[02:31] <BugzBunny> Ubuntu supports pretty Well, and the Kernel is signed
[02:32] <BugzBunny> You said Old Laptop
[02:33] <MordepedroM> i checked the link you gave and thats the program i used i ve done all that so must be BIOS.. i see the splash screen of ubuntu but when i choose install after a while the boot stops freezes
[02:34] <MordepedroM> bugzbunny the laptop i am trying to install ubuntu is new
[02:34] <BugzBunny> Installing Ubuntu from a USB?
[02:34] <MordepedroM> yes
[02:35] <BugzBunny> It should be straight forward
[02:35] <BugzBunny> Where did it fail at?
[02:35] <BugzBunny> Boot the USB? Loading the Installer, Partition the Drive?
[02:36] <MordepedroM> it failed after i choose option in splash creen *install ubuntu after that i get ubuntu background and loading points and 6 points after freezes
[02:37] <BugzBunny> The english is a bit hard for me to understan
[02:37] <BugzBunny> understand*
[02:37] <MordepedroM> even if i dont choose install if i choose try first without installing its the same
[02:37] <MordepedroM> well.. sory for the bad english
[02:38] <MordepedroM> *splash screen
[02:38] <BugzBunny> So, the Grub menu I am guessing?
[02:38] <MordepedroM> probably
[02:38] <MordepedroM> not sure
[02:39] <BugzBunny> Well I hand it over to other people
[02:39] <BugzBunny> Onething, probably 'silent', when you press esc, you don't see anything
[02:40] <MordepedroM> can you just tell what is the proper BIOS config i need to have because might be related with that
[02:40] <MordepedroM> like the CSM should be enabled or disabled
[02:40] <BugzBunny> BIOS should not get in the way unless you have seriously buggy BIOS
[02:41] <BugzBunny> It's quite rare for BIOS to interfer with booting.. If you see Grub Menu, the BIOS has done it's JOB
[02:41] <BugzBunny> anyway
[02:42] <BugzBunny> Google Chrome is installed here
[02:43] <pragmaticenigma> BugzBunny, if it is a UEFI enabled machine... it can interfere if anything tries to modify/access the boot partitions
[02:44] <MordepedroM> yes its UEFI
[02:44] <BugzBunny> If secure mode is turned on
[02:44] <BugzBunny> yes
[02:45] <MordepedroM> i turned off secure mode allready
[02:45] <BugzBunny> But if you Grub Menu
[02:45] <pragmaticenigma> I know there are few others here very well skilled in getting past that issue. It's also sometimes related to graphics card chipsets. Where the installer can't identify the graphics card. If you have more than graphics chipsets, you may need to turn one of them off in the BIOS
[02:45] <BugzBunny> Mostly it's probably ACPI or GPU
[02:45] <BugzBunny> when I see hangs like that
[02:46] <MordepedroM> ACPI !! in fedora channel when i was trying to fix the reboot problem someone told me to turn the ACPI to false
[02:46] <stoopkid> hello, is there any way to run the ubuntu install without going through any external media? like without going through CD/DVD/usb/second hard-drive, etc..
[02:47] <MordepedroM> but the script they showed me was different of the one i have i didnt saw ACPI on my own
[02:48] <stoopkid> i ordered some blank CDs and they should get here soon i'm mostly just curious about how to make that work
[02:48] <stoopkid> DVDs*
[02:50] <BugzBunny> I am watching Netflix right now
[02:50] <amosbird> Hi, I'm trying to build perf tool from source. However I got Makefile.perf:6: ../scripts/utilities.mak: No such file or directory
[02:51] <Bashing-om> stoopkid: There are many ways to install . https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot . This one I have yet to figure out how to unmount the booting root .
[02:51] <Bashing-om> !install | stoopkid
[02:52] <purplepod> So my BIOS on my laptop can do RAID.  Is that a good idea if I want both SSDs I have to be 'one' drive? or is LVM a better idea?
[02:53] <stoopkid> oh nice, thanks seems like exactly what i'm looking for
[02:53] <stoopkid> @ Bashing-om
[02:54] <Bashing-om> stoopkid: Have fun :)
[02:59] <nehemiah> I'd like to create a preseeded Ubuntu installation ISO that ends up replicating an LDAP tree and allow users to login with credentials from that tree. What I have so far is a preseeded Ubuntu server installation and a script that installs slapd and nscd and configures it correctly without user intervention. The problem is with uniting those to. If I add the script as a post-installation script to the preseed file, it doesn't work. What is the best (stand
[03:51] <ras> Jordan_U: Good idea, but no dice - tried every connector I have here and nothing produces a viable signal
[03:51] <ras> man this is frustrating
[04:26] <ras> Jordan_U: Just got really desperate and tried a known working Ubuntu SSD - and that wouldn't even boot. Just shows a bunch of garbled graphics for a few seconds when I select the boot device, and then black screen thereafter
[04:52] <godxeno> Hey mate can you help me out
[04:52] <godxeno> whats better than vnc?
[04:53] <knotahacker> depends what you're tryin to do
[04:53] <godxeno> i need a gui
[04:53] <godxeno> for my server
[04:53] <godxeno> thats faster than vnc
[04:53] <godxeno> its a slow mess
[04:54] <knotahacker> local or remote?
[04:54] <godxeno> it's a dedicated server
[04:54] <nacc> godxeno: very few people 'need' a gui for their server
[04:54] <godxeno> from america
[04:54] <nacc> godxeno: what are you trying to do?
[04:54] <godxeno> open zip files and shit
[04:54] <nacc> godxeno: you don't need a GUI to do any of that and please watch your language in the channel
[04:55] <godxeno> i need gui desktop makes life easier
[04:55] <godxeno> son
[04:55] <nacc> godxeno: no, it makes things much harder when you are trying to use it remotely ...
[04:55] <godxeno> its over seas
[04:55] <nacc> godxeno: that seems like an even stronger reason to *not* use a remote desktop
[04:56] <godxeno> meh meh
[04:56] <knotahacker> sometimes i use "midnight commander" over ssh - package "mc"
[04:56] <godxeno> MINECRAFT
[04:56] <nacc> godxeno: what?
[04:56] <godxeno> nothing
[04:56] <godxeno> thats what i thought mc meant
[04:57] <knotahacker> midnight commander has been around forever!
[04:57] <nacc> godxeno: it stands for "midnight commander", as knotahacker just said
[06:04] <Ozzie> Hi guys... any KDE neon users here?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> Vintl: best not join irc as root
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> Vintl: logout and come back as regular user
[06:33] <nikolam> Are Ubuntu people aware that the day before update broke GRUB 2 display on every second line in menu?
[06:34] <nikolam> on 17.10 64bit
[06:36] <nikolam> Whenever every second line in GRUB is selected , it shifts it's dispay to the left or right...  I did update-grub and grub-install, both with --force on /dev/sda2 and also without, on /dev/sda
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: you mean like graphical glitches?
[06:40] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, Yes, in text mode
[06:41] <nikolam> when you move to select item in GRUB menu with keyboard arrows, it displays screen a bit garbled
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: this is what you experience? https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752767
[06:43] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, this is not EFI system, but BIOS one
[06:45] <nikolam> But it could be it, yet I wonder why there is no screenshot in that buf description
[06:47] <nikolam> There seems to be some pictures in bug duplicates
[07:01] <amadews> anyone know if i unlock a phone loked on a spefic carrier can i update to now version?
[07:02] <guiverc> amadews, that has nothing to do with Ubuntu, this room is for Ubuntu users to seek help with using Ubuntu
[07:09] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, GRUB2 bug here looks like this (except from garbled then displaying upon boot): https://mega.nz/#!tZdQgDoB!CdfcXtY8yGJtmRx41kNzXIq2tkZT-L5FPeec9Po_kig
[07:19] <pragomer> I created a usb-drive using "dd" and the latest ubuntu 17.10.1 iso. I now want to copy a file ("bootia32.efi") to the partition. but I cannot mount it writable ("/dev/sdd1 is writeprotected")
[07:19] <pragomer> how can I put a file there?
[07:24] <vlt> pragomer: An iso-image is usually not writable. You’d have to find something to “extract” it, then add your file and recreate it.
[07:25] <pragomer> ok thanks
[07:26] <pragomer> will try "isomaster"
[07:37] <nikolam> This is the whole current GRUB 2 loading video: https://mega.nz/#!hZcVXBzS!Ad01gzDKwPGZ4-GM62w9Wbj-KIlK1E9hWfneTD1Hg6s
[07:37] <outoftime_92> I'm running node app with passenger and getting Permission denied error while trying to access file system. http://termbin.com/dklw There are single user on the server, where this group=/var/www/html/dobroscop/client/public came from?
[07:40] <knotahacker> nikolam: yep mine messed up too
[08:14] <pragomer1> I tried to put a file to ubuntu iso via "isomaster" program. After saving the iso it is not "hybrid" anymore. Trying isohybrid myubuntu.iso, isohybrid tells me "unexpected boot catalogue parameters
[08:14] <pragomer1> "
[08:14] <pragomer1> how can I fix this?
[08:29] <Triffid_Hunter> pragomer1: so this 'isomaster' broke your iso? try again from the start with something different perhaps
[08:38] <Trent12> Hey guys, when my laptop goes into sleep mode and I wake it back up it throws an error something power management
[08:44] <DerpingPotato> boop
[09:03] <howlymowly> hi everyone.. short question:  I have an usb card reader and it doens't work..   I am on 16.04 and it used to work in 14.04  any idea where I could search for the problem?
[09:03] <howlymowly> (is I do lsusb, the card reader shows up)
[09:06] <DerpingPotato> I have a problem too! I have an old HP Pavillion g6, currently testing how well 16.4.3 LTS works with everything. everything WORKS, sure, but, the prblem is that the colors look washed out! This does not appear to be the case when booting into Windows on the harddrive. How can I fix this when I do install it? I did try installing some sort o intel driver on the linux stick, but that doesn't seem to do anything....
[09:08] <bazhang> DerpingPotato, any reason you have not updated to the .4 point release of 16.04
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> DerpingPotato: update to 16.04.4 first
[09:10] <DerpingPotato> dad just gave me this stick with what was supossedly the most updated and stable version, but I guess another update came out in that short amount of time.
[09:13] <DerpingPotato> what about .4 would help?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> DerpingPotato: always keep your system up to date, if problems still persist, ask again here
[09:20] <guiverc> DerpingPotato, this link will provide info about 16.04.4 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/16.04.4
[09:24] <stoian> how can I see on which ports there are daemons that are listening? So open ports that accept connections
[09:27] <Gav> stoian: use netstat in the terminal
[09:27] <stoian> Gav: could you also tell me some parameters to give to netsat, it's a bit confusing
[09:28] <Gav> stoian: best to look at the man page.  I haven't used netstat in quite some time (man netstat).
[09:43] <eraserpencil> Hey guys Im trying to install Ubuntu 16.04 into a MacBook Pro. I have reFind set up. Im stuck in the installation process because I cant indall Grub2 into my designated root partition
[09:44] <evenom> why cant you?
[09:44] <eraserpencil> the grub-efi-amd64-signed package failed to install into / target.
[09:48] <bjgirl> Hi, I am boring,just posted a lot of hot? selfies at www.triphile.com, the first 6 pictures are mine
[09:49] <evenom> you should point grub installation on mbr ...
[09:50] <evenom> are you able to boot ubuntu?
[09:50] <evenom> does efi let you boot different partitions ...
[09:51] <eraserpencil> yeap
[09:52] <click> i cannot able to format sd card using gparted.But it still boot windows on first patition and other partition are also unable to format or re partition.Any help  ? On windows format return to message  Invalid media or Track 0 bad - disk unusable. Format failed..................All NTFS boot sectors are unwriteable.  Cannot continue. Format failed. Format failed.
[09:52] <eraserpencil> not sure why I couldnt install grub2 along with my root partition
[09:52] <ikonia> click: sounds like it's run out of available writes
[09:52] <eraserpencil> But I will try to create a new partition and see if I could point Grub2 there
[09:53] <ikonia> click: you're not using the partition you're trying to format are you ?
[09:53] <ikonia> eg; do it from a live media disk
[09:54] <click> Thanks ikonia Yes i tried to do it in live ubuntu but gparted failed and old partiontable reapear again and again..Also tried bleachbit but unable to delete windows files
[09:54] <click> thanks may be sd card life cycle is  out ?
[09:55] <ikonia> sounds like it
[09:57] <click> darn ...RIP in peace my sd card ..
[10:03] <eraserpencil> That worked.  thanks guys
[10:04] <eraserpencil> And on another issue, I am facing apparmor issues. it's blocking my boot process
[10:04] <eraserpencil> best described here but the solutions are not working for me https://askubuntu.com/questions/1006529/failed-to-start-apparmor-initialization
[10:05] <eraserpencil> hoping anyone would know of a fix
[10:30] <pragomer> I am getting this error when trying to start virt-manager under ubuntu 17.10: https://pastebin.com/qmimhveb
[10:31] <pragomer> any ideas?
[10:31] <dreadkopp> hey guys. got a machine here that ran as a server with ubuntu 16.04 lts. inside theres a i5 3470 with a hd2500. since we now need some gui on that machine i installed xubuntu-desktop. however lightdm (as well as gdm for a test) are not accepting inputs from mouse/keyboard and freeze soon.
[10:31] <dreadkopp> upgraded kernel to 4.14 now i get signal loss right after lighdm loads
[10:33] <dreadkopp> in other TTY keyboard works fine though
[10:34] <Ben64> pragomer: google translate tells me "Keine Berechtigung" means No authorization, so I'm guessing you don't have permission
[10:36] <pragomer> trying these solutions: https://wiki.libvirt.org/page/The_daemon_cannot_be_started
[10:36] <bencc> how can I open two terminal tabs and execute a script in each from a script?
[10:36] <bencc> bash or sh
[10:36] <pragomer> but it is not clear to me if the solution 1,2 and 3 are to be done all (three) or just one of these steps?
[10:36] <Ben64> pragomer: whats the output of 'groups'
[10:37] <pragomer> myuser adm sudo lpadmin truecrypt
[10:38] <pragomer> what group should i be in for using virt-manager?
[10:39] <Ben64> mine includes "libvirtd" so i'm guessing you didn't install it properly
[10:39] <pragomer> I just installed it via apt-get install
[10:39] <pragomer> I will try to "adduser" me to that group
[10:40] <pragomer> group does not exist
[10:41] <pragomer> this does need a system logout right?
[10:41] <Ben64> yeah
[10:42] <pragomer> yes it now works ;-) adding the group and me to the group was the thing. thank you very very much Ben64 !
[10:47] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:52] <kandinski> can anybody help me on diagnosing and fixing this issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WVPpYqfCtZ/
[10:58] <dreadkopp> anyone might help me with that stubborn hd2500 ?
[10:59] <ikonia> kandinski: have you messed with grub in any way
[10:59] <kandinski> ikonia: nope
[11:00] <ikonia> as it's showing the script /usr/sbin/grub-probe has a typo in it
[11:00] <kandinski> ikonia: I installed a so far unformatted disk. That's about it.
[11:00] <kandinski> What if I uninstall and reinstall?
[11:00] <ikonia> this doesn't happen unless a.) you've messed with it b.) you've got grub/grub config from somewhere else
[11:01] <kandinski> ikonia: nope. I installed a so far unformatted disk, and well, apt-get upgrade does things with grub templates, I guess.
[11:01] <kandinski> (whenever there is a new kernel, right?)
[11:01] <kandinski> /usr/sbin/grub-probe is not even a text script, it's a binary.
[11:04] <kandinski> ikonia: `sudo apt install --reinstall grub-common` did it, thanks
[11:06] <MeaCulpa> having a crack at using irssi here :)
[11:06] <MeaCulpa> just like the grown-ups
[11:07] <MeaCulpa> interesting beats the living crap out of polaris
[11:07] <MeaCulpa> does anyone know how to make polaris forget the first server name you enter and change servers?
[11:08] <ikonia> kandinski: I wonder what happened to that config file then
[11:08] <kandinski> ikonia: there is a reason I installed that second disk. I have had random failures, I think my disk is losing sectors.
[11:09] <MeaCulpa> gotta hate config files that refer to other conf files et al
[11:09] <ikonia> wow, so you suspect disk corruption ?
[11:09] <kandinski> (I have good backups, work mostly on remote computers, so no worries etc)
[11:09] <kandinski> yep
[11:09] <kandinski> because I recently had to change to xMonad as a WM because gnome would just not work
[11:09] <ikonia> the error about a unexpected ) suggests it's "added" rather than deleted, but I guess it could have been miss-formatted
[11:09] <kandinski> ikonia: but it could be anything. It's not a text file.
[11:10] <kandinski> also, unexpected ) can mean that a ( was mutated to something else.
[11:10] <ikonia> yes, very true
[11:10]  * kandinski shrugs
[11:10] <ikonia> (I thought grub-probe was actually a shell script)
[11:10] <kandinski> ikonia: thanks for helping me solve the issue.
[11:10] <ikonia> you solved yourself
[11:11] <kandinski> you prodded me in the right direction. I was feeling a bit helpless.
[11:11] <MeaCulpa> a lot to be learnt just lurking in this channel
[11:13] <MeaCulpa> is anyone here familiar with irssi?
[11:13] <MeaCulpa> just wondering what the quit command is
[11:13] <MeaCulpa> aside from part
[11:14] <deem> MeaCulpa: you mean /leave?
[11:14] <mceier> MeaCulpa: /wc
[11:14] <MeaCulpa> is that it?
[11:14] <MeaCulpa> thanks mceier
[11:15] <MeaCulpa> still left me on the server
[11:15] <mceier> if you want to disconnect from the server use /disconnect
[11:15] <deem> MeaCulpa: if you want to completely close irssi it's /quit
[11:15] <MeaCulpa> thanks
[11:16] <MeaCulpa> reading the instructions is totally out of the question of course
[11:16] <MeaCulpa> thanks deem
[11:19] <MeaCulpa> does anyone have an opinion of sublime 2 vs sublime 3?
[11:19] <kandinski> MeaCulpa: get 3, and pay for it. Worth every penny.
[11:20] <dreadkopp> go atom XD
[11:20] <MeaCulpa> thanks kandiniski
[11:20] <MeaCulpa> no nukes dreadkopp lol
[11:21] <MeaCulpa> quite fond of sublime
[11:21] <aib> I have a network set to "manual" and whenever I add a route via the ip-route command, nm-dispatcher takes over and freaking deletes it. anyone got an idea?
[11:21] <MeaCulpa> but always curious to try
[11:23] <dreadkopp> MeaCulpa atom is similar to sublime but free + more plugins ;)
[11:23] <MeaCulpa> I've been having a few problems getting virtualbos to create enough room for itself to run, I thought the dynamic setting should cover it?
[11:23] <MeaCulpa> virtualbo*x
[11:24] <MeaCulpa> any clues for me there?
[11:25] <MeaCulpa> works easy on my make but the settings seem a little odd on linux
[11:25] <MeaCulpa> make = mac, but the wine is good
[11:25] <MeaCulpa> or it was ;)
[11:27] <MeaCulpa> I was hoping I'd be able to check out loads of different distro's in virtualbox but it's not as easy as I thought
[11:30] <MeaCulpa> does ubuntu server just have php, apache2 and mysql as add-ons can anyone tell me?
[11:30] <MeaCulpa> add-ons to vanilla ubuntu I mean
[11:33] <EsMoi> Hi
[11:33] <androkit> hi
[11:33] <MeaCulpa> gidday
[11:34] <EsMoi> I will be chatting later but just wanted to test AndroIRC for the moment
[11:34] <EsMoi> Apparently it works.  Thanks, seeya later.
[11:34] <MeaCulpa> is that a phone app EsMoi?
[11:34] <EsMoi> Yes
[11:35] <MeaCulpa> the text entry kills phone and pad apps I found esmoi
[11:35] <EsMoi> By the way i am new to Ubuntu.  Divorced Microsoft recently.
[11:37] <MeaCulpa> good move esmoi, my mums hassles with doze drive me nuts, they always s tell her she needs something and she believes them
[11:38] <EsMoi> I just got sick of going back to my pc to find windows suddenly broke mysteriously with no changes.
[11:38] <MeaCulpa> esmoi I'm fairly new to ubuntu myself but it's far and away the best linuz distro I've tried
[11:40] <MeaCulpa> esmoi it's nice to avoid virii too
[11:40] <EsMoi> I love Android and my pixel 2 XL has so much power if i got a usb/hdmi/charging dock for it it could be a standalone computer in its own right.
[11:40] <EsMoi> I might do that to replace my laptop.
[11:40] <MeaCulpa> a bluetooth keyboard is great addition
[11:41] <EsMoi> I just wish ubuntu had google assistant.
[11:41] <MeaCulpa> if you have carrots for fingers like me
[11:41] <MeaCulpa> 'google assistant' does what?
[11:41] <EsMoi> That is ok.  I got around the lack of it by buying a google home mini to put next to my ubuntu pc
[11:42] <EsMoi> It is an AI assistant on google home.
[11:42] <EsMoi> It does anything basically.
[11:42] <bazhang> EsMoi, MeaCulpa please take the chat to our offtopic channel, thanks
[11:42] <MeaCulpa> I'm lucky enough to have half a dozen pc's laying around
[11:42] <MeaCulpa> sorry
[11:42] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:43] <EsMoi> Think about siri... Google assistant is a better competition
[11:43] <MeaCulpa> ohh ok
[11:43] <EsMoi> Anyway i am going to go, talk later.
[11:44] <MeaCulpa> cya
[11:48] <pragmaticenigma> MeaCulpa, just a small correction about computer viruses... Linux is vulnerable to viruses just like any other computer. It is much more difficult to become infected but not impossible.
[11:48] <JimBuntu> surely not even close to impossible
[11:48] <MeaCulpa> oh I am totally aware of that
[11:49] <MeaCulpa> but less probable because most virii are ransomware in my opinion
[11:49] <JimBuntu> ransomeware != virus (in general)... malware, yes
[11:49] <MeaCulpa> and why create ransomeware for lesser used systems
[11:50] <MeaCulpa> I had a greed dot virus in doze once and bagged the guys selling the cure so hard in facebook they fixed it for free
[11:50] <JimBuntu> the point to ransomware is to gain MONEY... not to infect a popular OS. If the lesser used systems are where the money is at... that's why.
[11:51]  * JimBuntu is done with the offtopic talk (for now)
[11:51] <MeaCulpa> ok ok
[12:03] <coco> Hi everyone
[12:03] <coco> I have a question
[12:04] <erdem> hi, i am trying to install win7 on virtualbox via an ISO file. i can see the blue windows logo on boot but nothing happens, any ideas?
[12:04] <zuhaitz> Hi, I would like to make an app that lets users to change the writing system of a language to another changing some letters and syllables. What programming language or system should I use? I am journalist/3D animator, not a programmer so It could be helpfull the simplest one. Thanks...
[12:05] <pragmaticenigma> erdem, sorry but that is something we cannot support here
[12:05] <coco> Is there any difference bw Remote login and PaaS ??? I mean the services can be same but the way of access might be different, Also is this the right place to ask this question? I'm looking for a bit of detailed  answer
[12:06] <pragmaticenigma> erdem, you will need to seek out a forum for Windows and Virtualbox to resolve that issue
[12:06] <MeaCulpa> just read the terms of service :)
[12:06] <JimBuntu> !ask | coco
[12:06] <MeaCulpa> as barren of 'on topic' as a frog is of feathers :)
[12:06] <erdem> pragmaticenigma, will do, thank you
[12:07] <JimBuntu> erdem, We would need more info... such as is the ISO bootable/etc... where did you get it (link?)... licensed? Which Blue screen? (screencap)
[12:07] <pragmaticenigma> coco, this is a support group for individuals looking for assistance in configuring and troubleshoot their computers. This isn't the right forum for that line of questioning
[12:08] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu, my assumption is that they got far enough along to where they need to contact a Windows help desk
[12:08] <coco> pragmaticenigma, ty I coulfn't find a forum for that. I looked  for an IETF IRC channel but couldn't find one. Do you know where can I get help on IRC??
[12:09] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, yup, that's fine with me. I think we were responding at roughly the same time, I was quite distracted though and not paying close enough attention :-/
[12:15] <pragmaticenigma> !offtopic | coco
[12:16] <MeaCulpa> please don't get me wrong I don't wish to be a trouble make I'm here to learn
[12:16] <pragmaticenigma> all good JimBuntu
[12:16] <Shedra> Hi there, I just upgraded the package "grub-legacy-ec2" to "17.2-35-gf576b2a2-0ubuntu1~16.04.2" from xenial-updates. It tries to remove "/etc/kernel/kernel/postrm.d", "/etc/kernel/kernel/postinst.d" and "/etc/kernel/kernel" but failes because they are not emtpy, the old files "x-grub-legacy-ec2" reside inside the folders. They are moved "up" to "/etc/kernel". I think the maintainer forgott to use the -f flag while
[12:16] <Shedra> removing the old folders. Any way to fix this in in the package?
[12:23] <pragmaticenigma> The only way to fix the package is to file a bug report. As for a fix, I'm not familiar with grub-legacy-ec2 package, I assume it's for an older version of the grub bootloader?
[12:24] <Shedra> Its for handling grub on ec2 instances (Amazon AWS).
[12:24] <MeaCulpa> Shedra have  you tried mv /dir dir.bak and see if things still work?
[12:24] <Shedra> MeaCulpa, Yep, things work finder after removing / moving the "old" files :)
[12:25] <MeaCulpa> cool shedra :)
[12:27] <ikonia> Shedra: sounds like it's worth raising a bug against that package
[12:27] <Shedra> Okay, i'll put it on launchpad :)
[12:28] <pragmaticenigma> Possibly raise a bug, but ensure that the directory didn't contain other files that were left/moved there for other reasons
[12:28] <ikonia> it's still going to be a bug though
[12:28] <ikonia> as you can't have a package depend on removing the directory but be blocked by it's contents
[12:29] <ikonia> even if those contents come from another package/reason
[12:30] <pragmaticenigma> yes, you can actually... especially when it comes to the boot configuration... the developer/maintainer cannot make assumptions that the user didn't put something in that folder to aid in booting their machine/instance
[12:30] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: they can, as thats the point of packaged mangement
[12:31] <ikonia> in that is should only be fueled by packages, and dependecy tracked
[12:31] <ikonia> if you manually drop stuff in there - on your head be it
[12:31] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia, no, sorry but it doesn't work that way for software development. The correct method would be to delete the individual files the package is responsible for, not the entire directory
[12:32] <pragmaticenigma> you delete the files, check if the directory is empty, if it is empty, then you can assume you can delete it. if not, assume something else is in there you are not resposbile for and leave it alone
[12:35] <MeaCulpa> pragmaticenigma: I would be inclined to rename the files before I deleted and tested
[12:36] <Shedra> Thanks a lot for your help, i filed a bug report :)
[12:36] <coco> When the next LTS version releases, would I be able to upgrade without loosing my curent LTS data and softwares installed right now?
[12:38] <MeaCulpa> maybe someone can tell us if apt dist-upgrade does that job
[12:40] <pragmaticenigma> coco: When the update is available, you will be able to update in place without losing your files and preferences.
[12:41] <pragmaticenigma> dist-upgrade does not to those types of updates, MeaCulpa. there is a different command to upgrade to the next major version of Ubuntu
[12:41] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: pretty sure it does work that way in software development, as you can see by the ammount of breakages in bug reports for files being removed
[12:41] <MeaCulpa>  does anyone know how one would upgrade the distribution and keep the data?
[12:41] <ikonia> do-release-upgrade
[12:41] <ikonia> MeaCulpa: I think you need to start reading some of the basic documentation
[12:41] <MeaCulpa> thanks idonia
[12:41] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com
[12:42] <pragmaticenigma> coco: it is recommended that you do backup your personal files before you do any upgrade, just in case things do not go smoothly
[12:54] <ufx> how would i go about resizing partitions of /dev/md* on CLI?
[12:55] <ufx> i tryd fdisk previously and it resulted into a unbootable system
[12:55] <ikonia> use the parted command or fdisk (legacy)
[12:57] <pragmaticenigma> I am not certain how accurate this article is, but it might help get you started ufx: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/admin/grub-legacy-ec2
[12:59] <Amedee> What is the recommended way to get some love to a bug in Ubiquity (the Ubuntu installer) that has been reported 4 years ago, is easy to reproduce, has been reproducible in all releases from 14.04 up to 18.04 (probably earlier releases too), and only affects people from a region of 6 million inhabitants?
[12:59] <ikonia> Amedee: which bug ?
[12:59] <ikonia> what have you done "to get some love" against it
[12:59] <Amedee> This one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1295627
[13:01] <ikonia> Amedee: is it a problem with the ubuntu package, or the debian package it's taken from
[13:01] <Amedee> ikonia: well, that exactly is my question: what is the recommended way to give it some love? I don't mind doing some work, I just want it to be most productive.
[13:02] <ikonia> ok - so if you read the bug it shows it the same in debian
[13:02] <ikonia> so find the debian bug and see if that's being worked on
[13:02] <Amedee> Thank you! That is helpful.
[13:02] <Amedee> Where did you read that? I don't know how to read the bug report and find that it's also in Debian.
[13:03] <ikonia> "also affects debian package"
[13:04] <ikonia> at the top, or words to that effect
[13:04] <ikonia> the ubuntu bug is currently unassigned
[13:04] <ikonia> so that's why no work is being done on it
[13:04] <ikonia> you need someone to own it and work on it
[13:05] <azizLIGHT> my mouse has buttons on it and cannot directly assign volume up/down mute buttons, so i need intermediary keystroke. what is used very little on the keyboard in ubuntu that i can sacrifice for this
[13:06] <azizLIGHT> i will bind that intermediary keystroke to vol up/down mute as i want
[13:07] <azizLIGHT> f12, f10, f9, f8, f7, f6 ?
[13:08] <Amedee> Okay now I'm going to look for a Debian irc channel, I'll report back if I learn anything interesting there. Thanks ikonia! I gave you credit in the Launchpad bug.
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Amedee, join #debian here on freenode
[13:11] <ikonia> Amedee: asking in IRC channels is not how to resolve it
[13:12] <BluesKaj> oops...guess i should have scrolled up
[13:14] <joche> hi
[13:16] <Amedee> I know that ikonia. I am asking the meta questions. And you have given me exactly the answer I needed at this moment. Maybe you don't understand, but you have given me the best possible help.
[13:19] <ikonia> Amedee: but you've just said "I"m going to ask in debian now"
[13:19] <ikonia> thats just askig in IRC
[13:19] <ikonia> you need to find the debian bug if there is one, look at who's working on it, get the ubuntu one linked to it, get an owner for the ubuntu one, no-one has every been assigned to it (so it seems) yet people seem frustrated no work is beign done on it,
[13:20] <ikonia> if there is no-one working on it / assigned to it, it won't ever get fixed
[13:20] <Amedee> Exactly. I am going to ask there where I can find the documentation for the proper procedures.
[13:20] <ikonia> what are you talking about documentation for the proper procedures
[13:20] <ikonia> find the bug
[13:20] <ikonia> that's it
[13:20] <ikonia> read the state of it / what's happening
[13:21] <ikonia> verify if the bug exists in debian or not, it maybe ubuntu apckage only (but it doesn't look like it)
[13:22] <Amedee> I already told you ikonia, you helped me. So please stop it now, it's off your hands. Please refer to the Code of Conduct.
[13:22] <ikonia> code of conduct ?
[13:22] <Guest7867> Anyone else having trouble with Ubuntu server rebooting since upgrade to 17.10? I’m guessing a configuration file got changed, but I’m not sure where to look.
[13:25] <Caramello> /bin/true
[13:25] <Caramello> /bin/true
[13:25] <Caramello> /bin/true
[13:25] <Caramello> wooops :)
[13:26] <Caramello> /bin/true
[13:28] <Borw3> Guest7867: Mine reboots itself after I shutdown XD
[13:29] <Guest7867> It is doing it by itself. Seems like about every day, but it is not consistent. Nothing in syslog or kern.log that seems obvious as to the cause.
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> Guest7867, Do you have autoinstall updates enabled on your server?
[13:38] <T4P4N> *_*
[13:39] <T4P4N> O_O
[13:39] <T4P4N> hello
[13:40] <kostkon> T4P4N, hi
[13:41] <T4P4N> hello @kostkon
[13:44] <herman_> hey
[13:44] <herman_> whats up guys
[13:45] <T4P4N> anyone here from india?
[13:48] <Vanguted> Hi anz german people here
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> T4P4N, you may find better luck with #ubuntu-in which is dedicated for India
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> !in | T4P4N
[13:48] <T4P4N> ok,i'll try
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> !de | Vanguted
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> T4P4N, Vanguted, even if English is not your first language, many are good at figuring out what you have said and try to help as best we can
[13:58] <Gargoyle> Hi there. I am looking to remove home encryption that was setup during install, and have found this result (https://askubuntu.com/questions/4950/how-to-stop-using-built-in-home-directory-encryption). It's 5 years old and just wanted to know if this is still the best approach for 17.10 or is there a nice command which will handle it automatically?
[14:00] <azizLIGHT> my mouse has buttons on it and cannot directly assign volume up/down mute buttons, so i need intermediary keystroke. what is used very little on the keyboard in ubuntu that i can sacrifice for this. i will bind that intermediary keystroke to vol up/down mute as i want. f12, f10, f9, f8, f7, f6 ?
[14:02] <SOLDIERz> Hello everyone is there a way to define boot parameters when starting from ubuntu server iso?
[14:03] <Gargoyle> SOLDIERz: Use the grub editor (press "e" on the grub screen) ?
[14:04] <SOLDIERz> Gargoyle Okay and when I press e when starting from server iso?
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> Gargoyle, I would not recommend using that approach for removing home directory encrytion
[14:05] <CarlFK> azizLIGHT: are you looking for this: xmodmap -e "keycode  14 = r"
[14:05] <azizLIGHT> CarlFK: i think so. im not sure
[14:06] <azizLIGHT> basically the mouse will send keypress F12, and i want ubuntu to see F12, but not do F12, but instead press volume up
[14:06] <Gargoyle> pragmaticenigma: Got any updated links / guides I could follow?
[14:06] <azizLIGHT> CarlFK: would that work for it
[14:06] <CarlFK> azizLIGHT: that's how I remapped my 4 key to do r.  hmm, not sure if it will do mouse buttons
[14:07] <azizLIGHT> CarlFK: well the mouse sends vcustomized key bottoms (programmable mouse)
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> Gargoyle, if it was me, I'd live with it... though I'm reading deeper into the thread on that link
[14:07] <azizLIGHT> except it cannot do special keys like media like i want
[14:07] <azizLIGHT> so i have to send F12 or something useless
[14:07] <azizLIGHT> and have ubuntu re-interpret to kiey i want
[14:07] <azizLIGHT> CarlFK: do you get me
[14:08] <pepinardo> hello
[14:09] <pepinardo> I've got this "new" IBM NetVista from 2001
[14:10] <azizLIGHT> CarlFK: how do you know that your 4 key is keycode 14?
[14:10] <fadavi> I've a problem in Ubuntu 17.10 (GNOME). The Wifi is already connected successfully and i have internet access. but its showing a *question mark* in system tray! any solution?
[14:10] <CarlFK> azizLIGHT: yeah - skimming man xmodmap, looks like it will do it  - this will show all the things you can work with: xmodmap -pk -pm
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> Gargoyle, the entries stating to use "ecryptfs-setup-private --undo" seem like the best instructions. Do not use the one with the green check mark. As they are way too intrusive. Most of all BACKUP YOUR DATA!!!
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> Gargoyle, otherwise I'd setup a new account without home directory encryption and copy my files there
[14:11] <Gargoyle> Thanks, pragmaticenigma
[14:11] <CarlFK> azizLIGHT: looks like it was 5 key.  it was something close to R when my R key want out.  this line shows the 4 shift states of that key: 14    	0x0035 (5)	0x0025 (percent)	0x0035 (5)	0x0025 (percent)
[14:12] <azizLIGHT> ah i see
[14:13] <azizLIGHT> this will help me a lot thank you CarlFK
[14:13] <CarlFK> :)
[14:14] <CarlFK> azizLIGHT: once I figured out the command, I put it in ~/.bashrc
[14:14] <azizLIGHT> ah good idea
[14:15] <azizLIGHT> i wonder if its possible to launch programs with this
[14:15] <azizLIGHT> ah i think that can be done regularly
[14:15] <azizLIGHT> from settings
[14:15] <azizLIGHT> hotkeys or something
[14:15] <azizLIGHT> shortcuts!
[14:23] <merryganjas> anyone know how im supposed to run a prebuild.bat file in ubuntu...the project in question is https://github.com/GPUOpen-Tools/RGA#user-content-building-on-ubuntu   it says to run a prebuild.bat --build release  and so i go ahead and run ".\prebuild.bat --build release" and get the following errors:
[14:24] <merryganjas> https://pastebin.com/MggUXJxc    <<<<<thats what i get
[14:25] <deem> merryganjas: this may be a copy paste error. there is a prebuild.sh file in this project. use that one
[14:25] <merryganjas> oh ok
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> copy pasta is the best! :-(
[14:26] <merryganjas> i feel so stupid i didnt see the .sh
[14:26] <merryganjas> and that i forgot about windows batch files
[14:27] <merryganjas> thats how far away i stay from windows now
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> merryganjas, it doesn't help that the instructions on the project page also say to use the .bat file
[14:28] <merryganjas> damn windows users...i was going to give windows 10 a try when i bought my new laptops because it already came with it, but as soon as i found out they wouldnt even let you turn off cortana, the resource hog, then i decided to run away from windows forever
[14:29] <flipper887> Is there a recompiled  package of apachee openoffice for ubuntu 17.04?
[14:30] <auronandace> !eol | flipper887
[14:30] <merryganjas> flipper887 maybe libreoffice which is a fork of open office
[14:30] <kostkon> flipper887, 17.04 is not supported anymore nonetheless you can install the snap version which should be fairly up-to-date
[14:30] <kostkon> flipper887, oh openoffice?
[14:30] <kostkon> flipper887, why not libreoffice
[14:31] <merryganjas> It is the most actively developed free and open-source office suite, with approximately 50 times the development activity of Apache OpenOffice, the other major descendant of OpenOffice.org.[17]
[14:31] <merryganjas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice
[14:32] <flipper887> I prefer the legacy  software coppy lefted apachee Open Office (formally Sun Star Office)
[14:35] <auronandace> flipper887: you'll still need to run a supported version of ubuntu to get help here
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> auronandace, that is not entirely true. We do not support EOL editions of ubuntu, but we can answer questions about the programs Ubuntu does include in their repositories.
[14:56] <Gargoyle> pragmaticenigma: Worked like a charm! :-)
[14:56] <merryganjas> anyone know a tool i can use for benchmarking openGL? i mainly want to see how many graphics pipelines my different gpus have, and possible memory performance and view if theres dedicated memory, but mainly im trying to see how parallel my chipset is
[14:57] <Gargoyle> ecryptfs be gone! :-)
[15:08] <digitalfiz> the fonts  for the title bar and menu for libraoffice are all just blocks what could cause this?
[15:09] <digitalfiz> https://imgur.com/a/G5LNX
[15:10] <digitalfiz> figured it out
[15:11] <digitalfiz> aparently it doesnt like when i set the system font to roboto
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> Gargoyle, any particular reason for removing home directory encryption?
[15:27] <chcl2050> 晚上好。
[15:28] <chcl2050> 我现在用xubuntu使用VPN,无法连接。
[15:33] <leftyfb> !cn | chcl2050
[15:34] <Hell-Razor> Hey fellas, I am trying to organize my desktop icons so they are not all in a single line but it seems like they are locked down... Am I missing a setting?
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> Hell-Razor, Right click on the desktop in an open space and uncheck "organize by name"
[15:44] <Borw3> Hell-Razor: Won't matter soon, Gnome has already removed support for desktop folders/files... XD
[15:45] <Hell-Razor> pragmaticenigma, Wow how did I miss that lol
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> sometimes it's the little ting...
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> *things
[15:47] <Borw3> Won't matter XD, no more desktop files/folders in Gnome if  Ubuntu keeps using Nautlius File Manager XD
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> It isn't exactly intuative... In windows it's a one time function that you use to organize, Unity desktop it continues to keep running
[15:48] <Hell-Razor> Borw3, Another reason to move out of gnome =)
[15:49] <Borw3> Hell-Razor: Yeah LOL :D
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> Borw3, that is a ways in the future. By then the project may have abandoned the idea, or compromised. Ubuntu has already mentioned they are looking into alternative default file managers
[15:49] <Hell-Razor> Why ditch desktop icons?
[15:49] <Hell-Razor> I dont follow
[15:50] <Borw3> Hell-Razor: Cause it costs to hire devs to maintain the desktop icons part in Gnome, and Gnome are cheap. :D
[15:50] <nacc> Hell-Razor: a discussion for upstream gnome
[15:50] <Hell-Razor> nacc, Sorry I forgot ubuntu doesnt like ubuntu specific talk
[15:51] <nacc> Hell-Razor: sorry?
[15:51] <Borw3> XD
[15:51] <Hell-Razor> nacc, Ok I am not sorry?
[15:51] <nacc> Hell-Razor: upstream gnome is (will be) removing the feature
[15:51] <nacc> Hell-Razor: ubuntu is following upstream and as pragmaticenigma just said, they may or may not keep this change
[15:51] <nacc> Hell-Razor: if you have a problem with it in gnome, ask gnome?
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> Hell-Razor, here's the article: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
[15:51] <nacc> Hell-Razor: if you have a problem with it in ubuntu, well ... it's not clear that it's going to change in ubuntu
[15:52] <Borw3> Ubuntu might create a fork of Nautilus or use Nemo of Cinnamon/Linux Mint eventually XD
[15:52] <nacc> Hell-Razor: but you specifically asked "why", which is a question for gnome
[15:52] <Hell-Razor> nacc, Nevermind, I think the question is getting way out of hand.
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> There is already a workaround, which is to install Nemo, a nautilus (default file manager for gnome) fork.
[15:52] <Vic2> Very noobish question ... I am attempting to copy (backup) my home dir to another partition cp -r /home/user/ /destination/directory is giving me an error ... unable to create link ... I do not want create a link, I want to copy the files ... what is the correct commandline command please?
[15:53] <Sorfrost> TJ-, hey man, can we talk a second?
[15:53] <Borw3> Vic2: Do cp -r /location/of/files/* /where/to/copy/to/   (NOTE: the *)
[15:53] <nacc> Vic2: to be clear, it's probably copying some link *inside* of /home/user
[15:54] <Borw3> Vic2: Also try with sudo. :D
[15:55] <zanshin> Vic2: Using rsync to copy is probably safer than using `cp`
[15:58] <Vic2> true true zanshin ... I always confuse the rsynch command, can you provide a sample similar to what Borw3 did for cp?
[15:59] <TJ-> Sorfrost: sure, about the ACPI tables?
[16:00] <zanshin> Vic2: rsync -avzh /path/to/directory /where/to/copy  https://www.tecmint.com/rsync-local-remote-file-synchronization-commands/
[16:00] <Sorfrost> TJ-, ye! pm?
[16:01] <Vic2> ty zanshin
[16:01] <thxffo> how do i bring up my second network interface on boot (i am looking at /etc/network/interfaces), just need it to be brought up (no dhcp, or any IP for that matter)
[16:14] <pavlos> thxffo: set it to auto and define a static ip
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> thxffo, I don't think you can bring up a network connection without it being connected to a connection with a DHCP or Static IP set on it
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> nm... I appear to have had the auto scroll off and didn't see pavlos response
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, are you really good with ACPI type questions? If so, I'm having trouble with an older laptop, where one of the power save states causes the screen to corrupt instead of blank out and power off. Any ideas? Intel i915, 852GM
[16:17] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: first thing I'd ask is you've customised acpi_osi= for that particular PC?
[16:17] <klr> hello, i'm using artful, what is the correct way of diverting dns requests to dnsmasq localhost?
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, there haven't been any customizations done... outside of shutting off some services in an attempt to troubleshoot
[16:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: have a read of this and try applying the workaround: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> The issue replicates on two different machines configured the exact same way. I have not had this issue (not seen at least) with other distros like CentOS
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I've attempted something like that a long time ago to no effect
[16:20] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: it might depend on the exact kernel versions
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the issue isn't everytime, but sometimes does it and sometimes it blanks just fine. Yesterday I attached a secondary monitor to the machine and it worked fine through every power save state.
[16:21] <thxffo> @pavlos thx
[16:21] <pavlos> np
[16:21] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: have you experimented with i915.ko parameters, such as enable_dc= ?
[16:22] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: all available params are viewable using "modinfo -p i915"
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know about any of these parameters... all my searches have sent me in circles disabling various servies (only to find out another service takes over when the disabled one is not active)
[16:22] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: well, read the description for the 'enable_dc' parameter, it sounds VERY related
[16:28] <qswz> is gvfs-trash deprecated?
[16:29] <deem> qswz: "This tool has been deprecated, use 'gio trash' instead."
[16:29] <qswz> ha
[16:29] <qswz> indeed
[16:30] <qswz> thanks
[16:32] <Gargoyle> pragmaticenigma: Sorry, Phone call! - I'm having some performance issues and will probably be moving to new hard drives or migrating to new system so wanted to remove anything which might trip me up.
[16:33] <Gargoyle> Also, would prefer to have full disk enc under the fs, not on-top of it.
[16:33] <fulan> Hello
[16:42] <marvin3> hi
[16:42] <marvin3> what is up with these warnings that are being echoed in shell every time I run gimp? https://pastebin.com/0MEv1Rsn
[16:42] <morten_> har du en kæreste
[16:42] <fabi0> hi everyone
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, enable_dc is not an option listed
[16:43] <morten_> har du en pik
[16:43] <morten_> ringe
[16:43] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: what kernel version? "uname -r"
[16:43] <keber> hello
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, 4.4.0-112-generic
[16:44] <keber> i find out why a4 papir is a4 format
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> This is for a 32 bit celeron
[16:44] <morten_> jeg har en pik
[16:44] <keber> have hier good tits?
[16:44] <morten_> hallo
[16:44] <morten_> ringe på 22770602
[16:44] <nacc> keber: morten_: english please, and ubuntu support topics only.
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> !guidelines | keber
[16:45] <nacc> morten_: please don't PM.
[16:45] <keber> nacc are you english?
[16:45] <nacc> keber: not relevant?
[16:45] <morten_> hej
[16:46] <morten_> hallo har du en pik
[16:46] <keber> nacc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CbAnIQZ-rA
[16:46] <nacc> morten_: please do not PM (last warning)
[16:47] <nacc> keber: do you have an ubuntu support issue? i'm not watching a random youtube video.
[16:48] <pandaadb> hi - i am seeing quite weird behaviour this week in combination with java and avahi-daemon on my machine. Whenever I run a maven build, avahi spins to 100% and my system becomes super slow
[16:49] <pandaadb> it went from around 50s build time to 8 full minutes
[16:49] <pandaadb> I am not sure if that is this daemon - it is just the only candidate looking at top
[16:49] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I'd recommend upgrading to the HWE kernel version
[16:49] <TJ-> !hwe | pragmaticenigma
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I don't know why that would resolve an issue on older hardwear
[16:51] <TJ-> pandaadb: anything changed with maven? avahi-daemon is the multicast DNS service; could maven be repeatedly requesting name resolution that is failing?
[16:52] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I have experienced a grave issue with Caja (Ubuntu Mate). Everytime I am copying/moving files between folders that have a large amount of files, Caja hangs and mostly crashes. I have to resort to command line all the time. I don't mind the CLI but then this basic feature crashing all the time sure is a thumbs down ...
[16:52] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: Because later kernel generally means more features implemented, more bugs squashed
[16:53] <pandaadb> TJ- hm i added a few repositories to my maven file. But I would expect that maven would resolve them only once
[16:53] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: what version of ubuntu?
[16:53] <Mr_Cyclops> Ubuntu Mate 17.10 (I know it isn't LTS, but then I've seen it with every version)
[16:54] <pandaadb> is there a way to shut down avahi-daemon? service stop does not seem to be doing the trick
[16:54] <magiq> Every times I install ubuntu I want to delete it
[16:54] <magiq> because every time there are a lot of bugs
[16:54] <nacc> magiq: no one is forcing you to use Ubuntu?
[16:54] <magiq> for example every time I wake up computer sound not working till I went to settings
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, this is not a kernel problem.. I can run other distros with the same kernel without issues... This computer is from circa 2004, I would hope kernel issues with the hardware would have long been squashed by now
[16:55] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: you could look through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/caja
[16:55] <magiq> just start sound settings and close it, and it works
[16:55] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: it might be a known/reported bug
[16:55] <Mr_Cyclops> nacc, sure, let me check, tx
[16:55] <nacc> magiq: did you report these bugs?
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I am certain that it is a configuration issue
[16:55] <magiq> nacc: for what? those bugs a lot of years still in bug tracker
[16:56] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: The Ubuntu kernel may be built with different config options to other kernels; you could compare the configs for differences
[16:56] <nacc> magiq: you didn't say you have filed bugs, etc, so I'm not sure how I'd know that
[16:57] <Mr_Cyclops> nacc, Well I got 4 Caja bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/caja/+bugs?field.tag=artful but none of them are the ones I am experiencing
[16:57] <Mr_Cyclops> also, I did find such on Google, but not sure if I should discuss Google links here?
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I do not know how
[16:58] <magiq> nacc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1355025 4 years ago
[16:58] <magiq> lol
[16:58] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: Try the HWE kernel; if it works, you no longer need to bother
[16:58] <magiq> I'm just angry
[16:58] <Mr_Cyclops> magiq, with Linux  you need patience :)
[16:59] <Mr_Cyclops> It is totally worth it!
[16:59] <magiq> also I tried to install amd video driver every possible way and it not working
[16:59] <magiq> it's not problem since it's problem of amd
[16:59] <magiq> but I dont want to see blackscreen
[17:00] <magiq> when something not working
[17:00] <magiq> because actually ubuntu called desktop OS
[17:00] <magiq> so why I should reboot with some special params
[17:00] <magiq> go console
[17:00] <magiq> and trying to fix this?
[17:01] <nacc> magiq: that refers to apps that are not pulseaudio compliant/aware. Is that the case for you too?
[17:02] <nacc> Mr_Cyclops: what kind of links? reports of the same issue, you mean?
[17:03] <magiq> nacc: in truth I dont sure that this is mine bug
[17:03] <nacc> magiq: right, so it's not necessarily relevant ata ll
[17:03] <nacc> *at all
[17:03] <nacc> magiq: that's why i asked if you file a bug
[17:05] <magiq> maybe this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1001842
[17:05] <nacc> magiq: you are using HDMI audio?
[17:05] <nacc> magiq: off an external monitor?
[17:05] <magiq> yep
[17:06] <magiq> last time when I trying to install amd driver, by this guide http://help.ubuntu.ru/wiki/%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80_%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82_amd it every time turns my screen at black color
[17:06] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, failed to install., the server that is hosting those is not available or my version of ubuntu is too new
[17:06] <magiq> there are 2 or 3 different ways
[17:06] <nacc> magiq: what do you mean by 'amd driver'? amdgpu-pro?
[17:06] <magiq> nacc: amdgpu-pro
[17:06] <magiq> nacc: propritary driver from amd site not amdgpu
[17:06] <magiq> a lot of different
[17:06] <magiq> and a lot of clear install of ubuntu
[17:07] <pandaadb> So i rebooted ubuntu - i get a "system problem error" on each startup, it is always the avahi-daemon too. The restart "solved" the problem temporarily. it appears to run faster, ever so slightly now
[17:07] <nacc> magiq: do you have the problems without amdgpu-pro?
[17:07] <magiq> nacc: hmm
[17:07] <magiq> let's see
[17:07] <magiq> I suppose games will not work properly
[17:07] <magiq> and I can just make present to my friends and give them my GPU since it not working
[17:07] <magiq> I suppose
[17:07] <magiq> but I dont sure
[17:08] <magiq> and in those ticket it referce that to fix sound bug i need install new driver
[17:08] <magiq> so yes, probably I have problems without gpu driver
[17:09] <magiq> who want to buy hd 7950 ?
[17:09] <magiq> any?
[17:09] <nacc> magiq: those bugs only say the issue happens with flgrx, afaict? also, do you see the same effect of it going to 'not available'?
[17:10] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: if the system currently has kernel 4.4.x that suggests it is 16.04 LTS; the latest HWE packages for that are 4.13.x . If the system has a problem getting packages that suggests there are other problems
[17:10] <nacc> magiq: it's better to file your own bug and get it duped, than to assume your bug is the same as some bug from 2012
[17:11] <jollygood2> hi. what is considered a better practice if I want to write a script that shadows some program (to call same program in a different way). rename /usr/bin/prog to /usr/bin/prog-orig, and then call that from my script that I also place in /usr/bin/, or to move ~/bin/ before /usr/bin in PATH variable?
[17:12] <nacc> jollygood2: jollygood2 ~/bin is already (in Ubuntu) before /usr/bin in PATH, if it's enabled at all
[17:12] <nacc> jollygood2: there's also /usr/local/bin if you want it system-wide
[17:12] <nacc> jollygood2: i would not suggest renaming binaries in /usr/bin
[17:13] <keber> hi
[17:13] <keber> wie gehts?
[17:13] <pavlos> !de | keber
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the system is not having any trouble... it is running 16.04.4.. and other than to attempt to install HWE it has never had an issue installing packages
[17:13] <jollygood2> nacc strange, I am using ubuntu and /usr/bin has priority over ~/bin
[17:14] <magiq> nacc: can you give me a little advice? what should I do if after gpu driver there will be blackscreen?
[17:15] <nacc> jollygood2: in my case it's set in my ~/.profile; i'm not sure if i modified it
[17:15] <jollygood2> if I echo $PATH then ~/bin is before /usr/bin/, but if I do whereis prog, /usr/bin/prog comes before ~/bin/prog. weird!
[17:15] <nacc> jollygood2: is ~/bin/prog executable?
[17:15] <jollygood2> yes
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the errors in APT were it cannot connect to a particular IP address
[17:16] <Mr_Cyclops> nacc, no no, what I meant was that the URL you provided, does not list the issue I am facing
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> giving it a moment seems to have resolved that issue
[17:16] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: so that is an apt error contacting the archive servers
[17:16] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: we've had a few sporadic reports of temporary 503 Bad Gateway as well recently
[17:17] <nacc> jollygood2: i don't use whereis, maybe check `whereis -l` ?
[17:17] <nacc> jollygood2: or use `which`
[17:17] <nacc> jollygood2: whereis seems to use a different ordering than which, i trust which
[17:18] <jollygood2> which returns ~/bin/prog, but that is not what shell runs
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I received 404 errors from the server
[17:18] <pavlos> jollygood2: try whereis -l (el, it will list the paths searched
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, have it working now
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> at least working on installing
[17:18] <nacc> jollygood2: which is what the shell runs ...
[17:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: progress at last :)
[17:19] <jollygood2> nacc /usr/bin is at top. ~/bin dozen lines after it
[17:19] <nacc> jollygood2: in whereis output? i agree, seems buggy
[17:20] <jollygood2> yes in whereis -l output
[17:20] <nacc> jollygood2: right, let's ignore whereis, it seems wrong
[17:20] <TJ-> jollygood2: could it be the bash hash-table? do "hash" to see if the program you're executing is in it, "hash -r" to clear the table
[17:21] <jollygood2> solved :). restarting the shell did it
[17:21] <TJ-> jollygood2: was likely the has table then
[17:21] <jollygood2> TJ yes
[17:30] <pandaadb> so, i looked into my kernel logs, and i have a lot of these: https://pastebin.com/J1SNMAT4
[17:30] <pandaadb> i wonder if they are somehow related to the extreme slowness i am seeing
[17:33] <pandaadb> so it seems that running  java process slows down the machine a lot. It then recovers a few minutes after the process is done. I know that's almost nothing to go on .. if there are other tests I can run, I am happy to do so
[17:33] <pavlos> pandaadb: do you have an nvidia card? maybe re-seat it
[17:34] <pandaadb> i have an nvidia card yep
[17:34] <pandaadb> what is re-seating?
[17:34] <kostkon> pandaadb, what kind of java process
[17:35] <kostkon> pandaadb, remove card, put it back
[17:35] <pandaadb> and i keep getting "Sorry, Ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error" with avahi-daemon as the executabe
[17:35] <pandaadb> kostkon, the card is in the laptop, not sure if I can get to it that easily. In terms of java process: maven builds, eclipse (i applied the GTK fix), docker containers running java
[17:36] <kostkon> pandaadb, that's a lot of java yep
[17:36] <pandaadb> could a loose graphics card cause that? i did recently return from travel where i had the laptop with me
[17:36] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: That's pretty much to be expected with java.
[17:36] <pandaadb> i've had this machine for about 6 months and I never had any issues with java at all
[17:37] <pandaadb> i have 16gb of ram in there with an i7 cpu, i should be able to build a project in under 10 minutes :)
[17:37] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: On a laptop it's more likely to be a drive or RAM error.
[17:38] <pandaadb> i have these reoccuring errors in my kernel log that sound like a drive issue? https://pastebin.com/7FSf1N0a
[17:38] <pandaadb> they seem to flood in in periods of around 4-5 minutes
[17:39] <jollygood2> how do I pass all the arguments given to my bash script to the program it is running?
[17:39] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: It's hard to say, that's the main PCI port that's reporting the error, so it could be anything on that bus.
[17:39] <nacc> jollygood2: $@
[17:39] <nacc> jollygood2: there is also a bash channel on FreeNode :)
[17:39] <jollygood2> thanks
[17:40] <pandaadb> jhutchins_wk, i have a usb-c connector on the laptop that drives one of my screens + ethernet. I can try and remove that to see if that helps the situation, maybe that one is broken? It just seems unlikely for it to affect cpu (I think)
[17:40] <jollygood2> hm, $0 is my scripts path
[17:40] <jollygood2> I'll take it to #bash
[17:40] <pandaadb> is there a different place I can look for what causes the PCI errors
[17:40] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: That's the USB bus, not the PCI bus.
[17:40] <nacc> jollygood2: i didn't say $0 ?
[17:41] <pandaadb> that makes sense :)
[17:41] <jollygood2> you're righ! font made it look like that
[17:41] <nacc> jollygood2: np :)
[17:41] <nacc> jollygood2: `man bash` may help too
[17:41] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: Re-seating RAM modules and the hard drive isn't difficult and could possibly help.  You could try diagnostics like memtest.
[17:43] <pandaadb> jhutchins_wk, thank you - i will give that a try tomorrow I think. The way the laptop runs at the moment is a bit frustrating, so happy yo try any option :)
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-,is there anyway to trigger the powersave events manually though?
[17:45] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: You might want to get some monitoring set up like lm_sensors, see if you're having thermal issues.
[17:45] <pandaadb> that's another thing though (just noticed). Running java processes is super slow, they claim to go towards 400% cpu, but they don't cause the fan to spin out of control
[17:46] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: We use a lot of java processes, typically with tomcat, and I'm used to seeing them spike 50%-100% of a CPU core for a few minutes when they start up.
[17:46] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: java does not multithread, so it doesn't distribute the load.
[17:46] <pandaadb> that would be fine, but mine "claim" to run at max capacity, but take 10 times longer than they did last week
[17:46] <pandaadb> I am somwhat thinking that top is feeding me a lie there
[17:46] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: Ah, now THAT is significant.
[17:47] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: You know how to get top to show you per-core usage?
[17:47] <pandaadb> oh? Top lying to me, or the cpu appearing to not do the work
[17:47] <pandaadb> no actually
[17:47] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: The fact that it has changed since last week.
[17:47] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: Just press 1
[17:48] <pandaadb> ooh nice - thank you :) i shall rerun my build
[17:48] <jhutchins_wk> pandaadb: Also look for anything else that has changed.
[17:49] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I suspect its based on when the CPU is put into a lower power state, which is generally when the kernel thinks it is possible
[17:49] <pandaadb> yeah, the cpus seem bored to be honest, but the build is slow (a bit faster now than 10 minutes ago). It seems that is just gets worse the longer it runs
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> Yeah, I'm curious to know if there is a way to invoke it directly though... since this is in CLI mode right now I have no idea when it will decide change the power state
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> Yeah TJ- , I'm curious to know if there is a way to invoke it directly though... since this is in CLI mode right now I have no idea when it will decide change the power state
[17:54] <user__> Hi! It's possible to use wayland in Gnome Flashback in Ubuntu 16.04? It works in Gnome desktop
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> are you asking a question or making a statement user__ it's hard to tell
[17:55] <user__> pragmaticenigma it's a question :)
[17:55] <user__> I need to make Gnome Flashback to use Wayland instead of X.Org
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> wayland is a screen compositor while gnome is a window manager... wayland is also still in early development and not all window managers and applications support it
[17:56] <Li> ubuntu 16.04 ... many times after formating usb memory via nautilus it becomes write protected? I have to go terminal to be able to copy files on it, which works! that means nautilus bug
[17:56] <ducasse> user__: no, wayland only works with gnome-shell afaik
[17:57] <user__> yes, with Gnome is working in my system
[17:57] <user__> I hope it works in 18.04
[17:57] <user__> thank you!
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> wayland is not currently being included by default in ubuntu 18.04
[17:58] <user__> pragmaticenigma but its installed right?
[17:58] <user__> pragmaticenigma you can choose it in login screen
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> we have no control over what is and isn't included user__ ... we are a community of users that support one another. we do not have any affiliation with canonical the creators of ubuntu
[17:59] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: uh, that's a bit stronger than you need to say :)
[17:59] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: also, some of us are ubuntu developers :)
[17:59] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: and the community definitely has some input into what is installed or not
[17:59] <user__> thanks :)
[18:00] <Mr_Cyclops> rsync : What is the difference between "Setting up an rsync server" and running rsync manually?
[18:00] <Mr_Cyclops> !rsync
, rsync server is designed to be used over a network connection
[18:02] <Mr_Cyclops> pragmaticenigma, I can do the same using the rsync command e.g. rsync <options> /local_dir remote_user@remote_server:/data
, where it helps to speed up the indexing of the file set to by rsync'd by another computer over the network. Otherwise with a regular rsync command, each file has to be transferred, compared locally by the remote machine
[18:02] <jhutchins_wk> Mr_Cyclops: If you're using it to distribute files to multiple users, the server provides a more efficient interface.  If you're just occasionally copying files among servers it's really not worth it.
[18:02] <jhutchins_wk> Mr_Cyclops: Except, of course, to learn how it works.
[18:03] <Mr_Cyclops> jhutchins_wk, well yeah, I only use it for time to time backups, single  user ......
[18:04] <Mr_Cyclops> I am asking this question because, I was wonder if I could use an automatic rsync program ..... that checks and syncs in files between two systems on regular intervals, or on the spot changes
[18:04] <Mr_Cyclops> like Syncthing ... but then SyncThing .. not that great in my experience a couple of  years
[18:04] <Mr_Cyclops> couple of years ago*
[18:05] <Mr_Cyclops> jhutchins_wk, pragmaticenigma  : I wanted something like Dropbox  you know. The moment a file changes, it should sync to a pre-configured location/target.... Any suggestions?
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> Mr Cyclops, that is one of the uses that setting up an rsync server would benefit
[18:05] <Mr_Cyclops> pragmaticenigma, I see
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> it doesn't have auto file detecton though
[18:06] <Mr_Cyclops> pragmaticenigma, Exxxactly! Any other apps in Ubuntu that can do auto-detect in the background and use rsync for syncs?
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> rsync is also one way... so if a file is changed on one system it will move to the other system, but unless the other system also rsync in reverse, the changed file doesn't make it
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> If you're looking for something like DropBox but a personal edition, you could look into NextCloud
[18:08] <MoPac> Question: I'm using Unity7 on 17.10. My DM keeps crashing sporadically, making me lose a little work each time. Right now, I'm using irssi from an alternate TTY after seeing errors on the Unity7/lightdm lock scren and getting booted out to the gdm3 login screen. ps, top, and lsof show my session and GUI apps still running. Is there a way to reconnect or control the session...or dump the right unsaved files?
[18:14] <jhutchins_wk> Mr_Cyclops: The challenge there is detecting file changes. There are tools to do that, but they're a bit obscure.
[18:14] <Mr_Cyclops> pragmaticenigma, NextCloud ... oh the successor of OwnCloud?
[18:14] <Mr_Cyclops> jhutchins_wk, true that ....
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> Fork of OwnCloud Mr Cyclops
[18:15] <jhutchins_wk> Mr_Cyclops: The best you can usually get is to run a cron job that checks periodically.  A good way to check is to just run rsync.
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> the problem with rsync is it is one direction. so if a file is changed on one machine, it may get overwritten by the rsync job running
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> rsync is really not meant for file sync, it's really meant as a tool for moving large directory of files or running back up jobs
[18:16] <Mr_Cyclops> jhutchins_wk, yep .... I was thinking the same actually :) pragmaticenigma I agree .. looks like I need to dig in more, and do some custom stuff to achieve what I need after all
[18:16] <Mr_Cyclops> anywho, thanks a lot for your time jhutchins_wk and pragmaticenigma :) Appreciate it ... Adios
[18:19] <Saaq> Hey guys, I'm having some trouble starting the transmission daemon after updating it to the latest version (2.93) and I'm just wondering if anyone has some time to help me with it?
[18:19] <ikonia> what do the logs say Saaq
[18:19] <ikonia> where did you get "the lastest version" from
[18:20] <Saaq> Process: 15226 ExecStart=/usr/bin/transmission-daemon -f --log-error (code=exited, status=217/USER                                  )
[18:20] <Saaq>  Main PID: 15226 (code=exited, status=217/USER)
[18:20] <ikonia> Saaq: what log is that
[18:20] <Saaq> I just did a simple apt-get update and the files came from launchpad (I think)
[18:21] <ikonia> from launchpad ?
[18:21] <ikonia> was it a PPA ? or the official ubuntu repo
[18:21] <ioria> !info transmission-daemon
[18:21] <Saaq> http://ppa.launchpad.net/transmissionbt it says. Sorry for being quite a noob at this...
[18:21] <ikonia> so a PPA then
[18:22] <ikonia> so the person who made that PPA should be the one to support you
[18:22] <ikonia> thats not an official ubuntu build
[18:22] <Saaq> Yeah, that's the problem then I'm guessing^^ Sorry
[18:22] <ikonia> why did you not use the version that came with ubuntu ?
[18:22] <Saaq> You have any idea of how I can install the official version?
[18:22] <ikonia> remove the PPA package, disable the PPA, use the one in the ubuntu repo
[18:23] <Saaq> I'm on a specified system config that uses a lot of different PPA's for different things.
[18:23] <ikonia> yet you say you're a noob at this ?
[18:23] <ikonia> that seems totally contrdiction
[18:23] <Saaq> Very much so, been following guides for the most part^^
[18:24] <ikonia> yet you're using a lot of PPA's for different thins
[18:24] <ikonia> things
[18:24] <ikonia> why did you not use the ubuntu version of transmission ?
[18:24] <Saaq> Since they were in the guides^^
[18:25] <ikonia> I'm afraid I can't/won't support your system (others may) if you're installing lots of 3rd party repos blindly
[18:25] <Saaq> I don't even know dude. Gonna revert it and try again, thanks for the help
[18:25] <kostkon> Saaq, try replacing them with snaps
[18:25] <ikonia> I don't think snaps are a good idea in this situation
[18:25] <ikonia> there is nothing wrong with the stable packages in the ubuntu repo
[18:25] <ikonia> I'd strongly suggest just sticking to those repos unless there is a real need not to
[18:26] <Saaq> I'll go with the stable version from the official repo. Think that may fix the problem. Thanks. Will report back when done
[18:26] <ikonia> it may not depending what the other PPA's have changed
[18:27] <Saaq> purging the whole transmission install though. Will try. Hope it works
[18:27] <ikonia> Saaq: as I say that may not be enough
[18:28] <ikonia> other PPA's may change other core components
[18:28] <Saaq> I have my hopes up anyways^^ Might work
[18:39] <Saaq> Okay, tried googling but to no success... I can see "http://ppa.launchpad.net/transmissionbt/ppa/ubuntu" as a entry from apt-get update and yet I cannot find it in my sources.list or .list.d. Do you know how to "deactivate" it?
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> Do you have a Gui on your install or is this a command line only (server) installation?
[18:40] <Saaq> Server, command line only
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> I think you best option might be to nuke and start over from scratch... it's going to be really hard for us to help you at this point. We don't know what guides you followed and if those guides made use of best practices for adding PPA's to your setup
[18:43] <Saaq> True. But I don't think I'll be able to set this up again. I simply don't have the time for it. You think there is a way for me to download the official latest release of transmission and install it?
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> Saaq, the PPA isn't going to be listed by the URL in the sources.list.d folder, it's going to have the name of the PPA
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> no, the only officially supported method is using the built in package manager
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> Saaq, the PPA is in your sources.list.d folder, it's probably title transmissionbt or something similar
[18:46] <Saaq> pragmaticenigm, oh, I'm stupid and didn't know that list.d was actually a folder. Sorry for wasting your time
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the HWE kernel has partially solved my problem in so much as now the system doesn't power save the monitor at all anymore
[18:52] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: that might be influenced by the i915 module's enable_rc6= and enable_dc= params
[18:59] <Saaq> Got it working guys :) It was just a bad version of transmission^^ Can't connect to the daemon yet tho since my settings file keeps restoring to default whenever I restart transmission. But it is up and running. Thank you guys for the help
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Saaq
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> Saaq, let it generate the file and then edit that file... something in your current file isn't compatible with the version of transmission you are using
[19:02] <Saaq> pragmaticenigma, That's actually what I'm doing. Just using nano, edit it, save, open once more to check that it's saved and then I restart the server and the settings are back to default.
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> Saaq, I'm suggesting starting from scratch with the settings file... let transmission generate the default file, modify that file with the settings you want
[19:03] <SomeT> can someone help me with this please, in ubuntu, when I try to connect over ssh / telnet in PutTTY in windows, I get the following error: https://pasteboard.co/HaGqqJH.png how do I fix it? I don't want to login with a key anyway just a password.
[19:05] <jhoggood> exit
[19:06] <tomreyn> SomeT: are you aware of the security risks impolied when using password authentication?
[19:06] <archetech-U> SomeT,  you can turn off keys and use password in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:06] <tomreyn> SomeT: are you aware of the security implications when using password authentication?
[19:06] <archetech-U> I never use keys on my lan
[19:06] <tomreyn> archetech-U: who says its a LAN?
[19:07] <teward> SomeT: Unless this is internal to your network and not web facing, you shouldn't go with just password authentication
[19:07] <Saaq> pragmaticenigma, All I had to do was stop the server before editing the file^^ I feel stupid yet again
[19:08] <Saaq> stop transmission*
[19:09] <SomeT> yes
[19:09] <SomeT> I am aware
[19:10] <tomreyn> SomeT: i suspect, based on your reply, that you are responding to my question? you could indicate that you do by prepending your reply by my nickanme
[19:10] <tomreyn> i mean prefixing
[19:10] <deadrom> does anybody have proper instructions for building VeraCrypt from src? this wxWidgets shit drives me up the walls
[19:11] <SomeT> @tomreyn ok
[19:11] <nacc> deadrom: any rason you can't use unit193's ppa?
[19:12] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/encryption
[19:12] <nacc> deadrom: linked from https://www.veracrypt.fr/en/Contributed%20Resources.html
[19:12] <nacc> deadrom: also, please watch your language in the channel, family friendly
[19:12] <deadrom> nacc, crypto from ppa is like a cheerleader pyramid from fat girls. it doesn't make sense.
[19:13] <nacc> deadrom: ... ok
[19:13] <nacc> deadrom: did you follow the instructions at https://github.com/veracrypt/VeraCrypt ?
[19:13] <deadrom> yes
[19:13] <nacc> deadrom: you might want to ask the project you're using, as this doesn't seem to be anything to do with ubuntu (as far as building 3rd party software goes)
[19:15] <deadrom> great, I get to pass the buck myself while on the runaround
[19:16] <tomreyn> SomeT: sorry i was on the phone, did you have more quesitons there?
[19:16] <nacc> deadrom: sorry? this is the official ubuntu support channel
[19:16] <nacc> deadrom: not sure why it would be ontopic to ask how to build some third party software not packaged in ubuntu
[19:16] <deadrom> yeah forget I asked
[19:17] <archetech-U> got  the cool  gnome 3.28 beta with DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch)"
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom, I download and use the installer direct from VeraCrypt... no need to compile from source
[19:17] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | archetech-U
[19:18] <archetech-U> ah  ty
[19:22] <deadrom> pragmaticenigma, crypto binaries are worthless. you do not know if it was built from the original src.
[19:30] <Draconiator> Is there a way to completely reinstall Xubuntu without using a USB drive from the OS itself?
[19:30] <MeaCulpa> you can create an ISO file from the whole partition
[19:31] <MeaCulpa> I think you're stuck with the lot of it
[19:31] <nacc> Draconiator: if i understood you correctly, no
[19:32] <Draconiator> okay so USB drive it is.
[19:32] <TJ-> Draconiator: is there some reason it needs reinstalling? Maybe there is an alternative solution to your issue?
[19:32] <MeaCulpa> at least you will learn from the mistakes you may have made the first time :)
[19:33] <Draconiator> When I boot up it says....well hang on it's lightning fast anyway
[19:33] <MeaCulpa> draconiator if you do a dmesg> somefile.txt
[19:33] <MeaCulpa> you will be able to read it
[19:34] <xsixsi> Hello everyone, Could someone help me to install kmix I am following this guide --> https://ourcodeworld.com/articles/read/406/how-to-enable-the-sound-on-kali-linux
[19:34] <xsixsi> I get following error: --> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:34] <xsixsi>  kmod:i386 : Breaks: alsa-base (<= 1.0.25+3) but 1.0.25+3~deb7u1 is to be installed
[19:34] <xsixsi> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[19:34] <MeaCulpa> draconiator my mistake dmesg > somefile.txt
[19:34] <nacc> xsixsi: that version does not look like an ubuntu version
[19:35] <nacc> xsixsi: lsb_release -sd, please ?
[19:36] <Draconiator> ummm...seems to have solved itself.....My main Windows box does this tsrong and then it totally embarasses me.omething's woo, think
[19:36] <nacc> xsixsi: loks to be kali, which is not supported here
[19:36] <xsixsi> ok
[19:36] <nacc> !kali > xsixsi
[19:37] <MoPac> Is there any way to unlock and re-enter a running graphical session under lightdm when the lightdm lockscreen is showing "authentication failure" and "switch to greeter" in the password box? I don't really know how to use dm-tool or if it can work for that
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the HWE kernel has partially solved my problem in so much as now the system doesn't power save the monitor at all anymore... anythougts?
[19:38] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: as I said earlier when you 1st said that:  that might be influenced by the i915 module's enable_rc6= and enable_dc= params
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> Okay, that doesn't help though... I don't know what any of those things are and I am timid on the idea of changing a bunch of settings with out knowing their impact
[19:39] <TJ-> MoPac: you might be able to kill the screen lock process; see if you can identify it with "ps -efly | grep lock" - I've seen a lot of problems like that with light-locker
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> or at least a way to determine what the current values are set to so I can restore them
[19:40] <Draconiator> and Hexchat still likes to scramble what I type lol
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, so I go back to my original inquery, how do I trigger these events... and how can I obtain the current configuation to compare against other distributions
[19:43] <alext> 1
[19:43] <alext> 2
[19:44] <memphisto> 3
[19:44] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: triggering, I'm not sure. Usually there's some process that uses DPMS to control monitor-off but I don't think that deals with reduced C-states; that's the preserve of the kernel generally, which is why I'm pointing you to the i915 driver's params that control such things
[19:44] <JimBuntu> MoPac, does `sudo loginctl unlock-sessions` work to unlock the display for you?
[19:44] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: current config is /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[19:45] <MoPac> I'll try, one sec
[19:45] <MoPac> JimBuntu : awesome, like a charm!
[19:46] <JimBuntu> MoPac, yay! Don't use it for evil by setting any crons up on co-worker computers ;-)
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> I get that TJ- ... the issue is that I now have a kernel set that isn't the default, and my goal original was to figure out what is the difference between Ubuntu setup and CentOS so I could figure out why one is better at determinign the power state of the monitor
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> I'm rather displeased now that I have lost the power saving abilities of my machine and do not know how to restore them back
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, are you avaialble to help restore/undo what has been done?
[19:56] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: The HWE kernel is a supported kernel for 16.04, it's the same one used in 17.10. As with any package, if you want to remove it use "sudo apt remove <package-name>"
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, that isn't true... clearly this is not the same kernel as i cannot believe they disabled the power management in the new kernel
[19:58] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: you also can just boot back to the other kernel
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> I have gone through 5 LTS releases with this laptop and all of them have encountered this issue. That is why I am skeptical that the issues has ever been addressed.
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> Since I cannot figure out what triggers the issue or recreate it, I can't file a bug report
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> that's what I wanted... was the ability to recreate the issue on demand so that I could file a bug report
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> so what I need is the ability to trigger the various power states, so I can find the one that triggeres that issue. You told me rc6 sounds like the problem, however you provided no link to back up that claim
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> so now I'm stuck with a machine that I do not know if I can restore back to it's problem state
[20:03] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I've given you pointers and options; it's up to you to do your specific research. And I don't appreciate being told I'ma  liar - Ubuntu 16.04.4 ships with the 4.13 kernel from 17.10, and is supported.
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> so I will ask again, what can we do to get this back to the state it was before this all started and can we come up with a way to trigger a power state on the graphcs driver so I can file a bug report to note that the hardware in my configuration doesn't support that power state
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I have been trying to research this for years with no luck... you were the first to give a glimmer of hope that there was a possible solution
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> I have not found anyone report a similar issue... save for one and it's a google search result that point to a defunct page
[20:05] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: did you try rebooting to the older kernel?
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> the system is f'd up... it won't power save at all anymore
[20:06] <gargeh> I've got a strange one. Since the update on the 5th to the latest version of grub (17.10), my grub menu seems to crash at boot and it falls back to a low res version.
[20:07] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: what changed? just the hwe stack?
[20:08] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: and you're not really answering my question, have you tried rebooting to the old kernel?
[20:08] <pragmaticenigma> I would attempt the old kernel if I could get grub to show up again
[20:08] <gargeh> It is being updated properly from "update-grub", because I changed the background image and I recognise the new one for the fraction of a second that it shows.
[20:10] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: so grub isn't showing up anymore?
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> it never has... someone thought it was a good idea to hide the boot menu and in my frustration i can't remember where the config file is to re-enable it
[20:11] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, /etc/default/grub
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> don't know which one re-enables the boot menu
[20:13] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, comment  GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> according to doucmentation... that doesn't do anything anymore
[20:14] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, and sudo update-grub
[20:15] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, just do it
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> done... would love to know who thought it was a good idea to hide the grub boot screen without a way to trigger it on boot
[20:18] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  left shift (or ESC)
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> doesn't work
[20:18] <ioria> i know :þ
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> should file a bug for that one too... if server install... always show grub boot menu
[20:19] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  are you on server ?
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> yes, this is a laptop that I setup to run pi-hole from... but the issue I'm tyring to trobule shoot has been in both server, cli, and gui modes
[20:21] <ioria> ok
[20:23] <gargeh> Is there any kind of Grub error log?
[20:23] <ioria> gargeh, what you mean ?
[20:23] <gargeh> ioria: My grub has started crashing on boot.
[20:24] <ikonia> define crashing
[20:24] <ioria> gargeh,  17.10 with the latest grub upgrade  ?
[20:24] <gargeh> ioria: Yes. I get a flash of my hi-res + background image then a low res version.
[20:24] <ikonia> that's not really a "crash" is it
[20:25] <ikonia> that's just not displaying at optimal resolution the splash screen
[20:25] <gargeh> I thought it was going to a non uefi version on the first HD mbr or something. but it still does a UEFI boot.
[20:25] <ikonia> it can't just swap between EFI/Legacy
[20:25] <gargeh> ikonia: Nope. It's got no image ether.
[20:26] <ikonia> you're not making sense
[20:26] <ikonia> so because the image didn't display you thought it had swapped from EFI to legacy
[20:26] <ikonia> does the machine still boot ?
[20:26] <ioria> gargeh,  sy,  grub-pc  or efi gurb installed ?
[20:26] <gargeh> efi grub installed.
[20:27] <ioria> gargeh,  the sys boots correctly , right ?
[20:27] <gargeh> yup.
[20:27] <ioria> gargeh,  i'am aware of a bug about 2.02~beta3-4ubuntu7.2 ...
[20:27] <gargeh> I see a flash of my custom grub, then it goes low-res and white on grey.
[20:27] <gargeh> Ahh.
[20:27] <ioria> gargeh,  can you restore any changes you did ?
[20:28] <ioria> *reverse
[20:28] <gargeh> I didn't change anything the first time it happened.
[20:28] <gargeh> The only thing I had set was "GRUB_GFXMODE=2560x1440"
[20:28] <ikonia> "custom grub"
[20:28] <ikonia> but I didn't change anything
[20:28] <ioria> gargeh,  tell us more about it
[20:29] <gargeh> ikonia: I didn't change anything between it working and then it crashing.
[20:29] <ikonia> no, but it's "custom grub"
[20:29] <ikonia> suggests you have made a custom setup
[20:29] <gargeh> Just installed the OS updates.
[20:29] <ikonia> then why did you say "custom grub"
[20:29] <ikonia> 20:27 < gargeh> I see a flash of my custom grub, then it goes low-res and white on grey.
[20:29] <ikonia> that's not "just installing updates"
[20:29] <ikonia> that's you've changed things
[20:30] <gargeh> II made the changes months ago.
[20:30] <ikonia> right....but what
[20:30] <gargeh> GRUB_GFXMODE=2560x1440
[20:30] <ikonia> custom changes impact standard packages and updates
[20:30] <gargeh> That's all. In /etc/default/grub.
[20:31] <ioria> gargeh, comment it again
[20:31] <ioria> gargeh, and sudo update-grub, clearly
[20:32] <gargeh> ioria: Will try. Do you have any more info on the bug.
[20:32] <ioria> gargeh, yep ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1752716
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> what is supposed to be the default kernel of Ubuntu 16.04.4??
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> Assuming the HWE wasn't installed
[20:32] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: fresh install or upgrade and from what?
[20:32] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: 4.4 something or so
[20:32] <gargeh> Rebooting...
[20:32] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: currently at 4.4.0-116 it loks like
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> okay, so the 4.13 was the one from HWE
[20:33] <gargeh> Oh look. there goes my alter ego! ;-)
[20:33] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial | pragmaticenigma
[20:33] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: yes, afaict, that was quite clear from what TJ- had you do?
[20:33] <ioria> gargeh, there 's no fix, afaik
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[20:34] <gargeh> OK. That was weird.
[20:34] <pragmaticenigma> which completely consfuses me why it doesn't have power management enabled or working... or is it all my other attempts all the sudden took effect
[20:34] <ioria> tell us
[20:34] <gargeh> I took out the GFXMODE and the background image, and updated + rebooted.
[20:35] <gargeh> And I saw grub with the background image.
[20:35] <gargeh> Let me take a closer look (I watched it reboot through the doorway from the couch in the other room!) :-)
[20:36] <ioria> gargeh, to be honest, iwould expect a gargled screen
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> at any rate... the old kernel restored the ability of the machine to turn off the monitor
[20:38] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, and the old kernel is ?
[20:39] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: 16.04.4 == v4.13 kernel on -desktop ISO images, v4.4 kernel on -server ISO images
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> the next question is how can I trigger poewr save states so I can figure out which one causes my corrupt screen issue... by corrupt the screen will blink off and back on right away but comes up with vertical streaks that fade to a certain point but never fully disappear... like a window being defrosted and not quite fully clears
[20:41] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, uname -r
[20:42] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: there are some power saving options and commentary which may be related at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/PowerSavingTweaks
[20:43] <gargeh> ioria: OK. config = https://gist.github.com/gargoyle/6e616776d0e0d83c927626b11de802d1. What I get is a low res version of the menu with the background image.
[20:43] <gargeh> Even though I removed both those entries from the config.
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, those all appear for newer GPUs... again this is from circa 2004... it's not going to support rc6
[20:44] <gargeh> ioria: I videoed it... just uploading
[20:44] <ioria> ok
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, none of those discriptions apply... almost all of them refer to sandy bridge class processors
[20:47] <ioria> gargeh, you did some additional changes to that file, right ?  dual-boot with win
[20:47] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: right, but with such an old GPU it's not unusual that regressions are introduced as Intel no longer supports the older devices so doesn't do tests on the older hardware, and those options might be assumed by default. Possibly forcing them to be disabled may help
[20:48] <gargeh> ioria: grub detects that itself
[20:48] <Melatonina> Hello.
[20:48] <ioria> ok
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> the rc6 option doesn't even exist for kernel 4.4 though
[20:50] <gargeh> please, god. can I haz some bandwidth!? :-(
[20:52] <howudodat> question on adding AD domain groups to sudoers.  if I do %MYDOMAIN\\peter ALL=(ALL) ALL then peter can sudo, if I do %MYDOMAIN\\domain^users ALL=(ALL) ALL, I get MYDOMAIN\peter is not in sudoers file
[20:52] <Melatonina> I installed Ubuntu 16.04 on my computer which has a nvidia GeForce GTX 750 graphics card. The log in screen it displayed correctly but after the log in the screen gets messed up, garbage is displayed (often apparently from my previous Windows 10 boot) and then nothing. Following the tips that I found on the web I attempted to install nvidia-331, 340, 337, 334 but nothing worked. Now I de-installed all of those packages and when I log-in I get a error
[20:52] <Melatonina> dialog and them the desktop quits (without even showing up) and I'm back to the log-in screen. Can you help me?
[20:54] <Ool> Melatonina: you can use crtl+alt+F1 , login, and use ubuntu-drivers
[20:55] <Melatonina> Ool: thank. I'll try that. Will that prevent me from using cuda?
[20:55] <Ool> it's a tool to list and install drivers automaticaly
[20:55] <Ool> Melatonina: no
[20:56] <Melatonina> Ok. Thank you very much! I'll try ubuntu-drivers right now.
[20:56] <Ool> for cuda you need the nvidia driver
[20:56] <Ool> 375, 384 or something like that
[20:56] <Bashing-om> Melatonina: See: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/130646/en-us . You want to install the 390 version driver . When ready we clean up and install . Can you activate a console interface - at the login screen key comboctl+alt+f1 .
[20:57] <Ben64> don't install it from nvidia.com :|
[20:58] <Bashing-om> meLon_: ^^ +10 !
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> I'm going in circles
[20:59] <gargeh> ioria: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bag7nudjqcriizk/IMG_2056.MOV?dl=0
[21:00] <Ben64> gargeh: and the problem is....?
[21:03] <gargeh> Ben64: Since the last update, it doesn't like me using GRUB_GFXMODE=2560x1440 anymore and theres text display issues. You can see flickering for the countdown and as I move the menu.
[21:04] <Ben64> is it really that big of a deal? how long do you spend in grub each day
[21:05] <gargeh> That's not the point, Ben64.
[21:05] <gargeh> It's broke.
[21:05] <Ben64> hardly
[21:05] <gargeh> Trying to find out why. Submit a bug report or update an existing one and see if there is any way I could help fix it.
[21:06] <Ben64> well it looks customized so the first thing to do would be to undo what you did
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> gargeh, Grub isn't meant to be a high powered interface... it's designed to fast and efficient... the artifacts are because at that stage only simple VESA drivers are enabled and those aren't really meant for high resolution... choosing something workable like 1024x768 would result in no artifacts
[21:06] <gargeh> Ben64: To fob it off as "hardly worth it" is why there is so much crappy Linux desktop software and why it will never be "the year of linux on the desktop!"
[21:07] <Ben64> grub isn't a desktop application and is hardly ever seen
[21:07] <gargeh> pragmaticenigma: There were no artefacts in the previous version. :/
[21:08] <gargeh> Ben64: That's still not the point!
[21:08] <Ben64> it is my point
[21:08] <pragmaticenigma> none that you noticed anyways... i don't change the settings of grub unless I have to. and most of my machines do not display it by default
[21:08] <gargeh> if the goal is to not support these features, then they should be removed from the codebase.
[21:08] <Ben64> yeah it could have been happening the whole time
[21:09] <nacc> gargeh: "the year of linux on the desktop" is not an ubuntu goal, afaik, and this is the support channel anyways
[21:09] <nacc> gargeh: you can file a bug, or search the bug reports
[21:10] <gargeh> nacc: It's a Linux goal. Ubuntu gets it whether it wants to or not!
[21:10] <pragmaticenigma> or just turn off grub at let your machine boot even faster by not waiting 10 seconds
[21:10] <nacc> gargeh: not sure that is true, in any case
[21:10] <nacc> gargeh: this is the ubuntu support channel, please stay ontopic with respect to that
[21:11] <gargeh> nacc: I'm trying to.
[21:11] <pragmaticenigma> linux has no such goal.. "the year of the linux desktop" is a journalist mantra, and an ongoing jab at the linux community
[21:11] <nacc> also, we should all stop talking about "linux <verb>". the community is not monolithic and is not a person
[21:12] <nacc> in any case, let's move on :)
[21:12] <nacc> gargeh: ok, what's stopping you?
[21:12] <nacc> gargeh: you don't need to solve the problem to file the bug
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> but to file the bug, you will have to give a detailed explination on how to recreate it
[21:13] <gargeh> exactly
[21:13] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: which i think they have?
[21:13] <nacc> set a high resolution to grub, you get artifacts
[21:13] <gargeh> I'm gathering as much info as I can.
[21:15] <pragmaticenigma> the configuration file will need to be included, ideally the graphics card in use could help, Video ram size, the backgorund image beng used
[21:17] <pragmaticenigma> okay back on track for my issue... nacc... do you know of any where that I can manually trigger a power management state for the graphics chipset to set the monitor to a sleep mode
[21:18] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: nope, sorry
[21:18] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: you might contact the driver maintainer
[21:18] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: taht would be an in-kernel thing
[21:19] <pragmaticenigma> wouldn't even know where to find that
[21:22] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: figure out the driver involved, look it up in the kernel source MAINTAINERS file
[21:22] <Ben64> xset dpms force off ?
[21:22] <nacc> or you could try Ben64's suggestion :)
[21:22] <Ben64> its what i use to turn my monitor off
[21:22] <Emcy> i just installed 16.04lts on a eepc 901, it was fine for 3 days then ubutntu did some updates, and the gfx are corrupted to the point i cant see the desktop
[21:23] <Emcy> if i do nomodeset, i can see what im doing again
[21:23] <Emcy> so i guess ubuntu broke the gfx driver coincidentally the moment i tried to use it. So what do i do now
[21:23] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64, this is Ubuntu Server... x and sutils are not installed
[21:24] <ikonia> ubuntu didn't "break" anything
[21:24] <Ben64> why is there a monitor on a server?
[21:24] <pragmaticenigma> the issue is driver/kernel level... I've been trying to recreate the issue to figure out how to fix it
[21:24] <Ben64> what makes you think that
[21:25] <pragmaticenigma> the issue is intermittent (the best kind) so I've been seeking help on how to recreate that issue
[21:25] <Emcy> it was fine, ubuntu updates, its broke. thats all i know
[21:26] <pragmaticenigma> Emcy, you're going to have to be more specific than that... we can't see your computer and we can only use the information you provide us. The more details of what you did before the issue happend, the better the chances someone can help you figure out how to fix it
[21:26] <fxdave> Hi guys!
[21:26] <Emcy> literally it said os updates are available, i clicked ok, when it rebooted the gfx are garbled
[21:27] <Emcy> that is what happened
[21:27] <pragmaticenigma> I'm really just subcoming to this being a lost cause... since the hardware is from circa 2004, it's 32 bit and on the countdown to when 32 bit systems are just no longer viable for modern computing
[21:27] <fxdave> Emcy what version of ubuntu do you use?
[21:28] <Emcy> 16.04 desktop
[21:29] <fxdave> that's good eneugh, anyway you can ignore updates by deleting repositories
[21:29] <Emcy> too late for that?
[21:29] <Emcy> can i roll back the gfx driver to whatever was in use last week
[21:30] <Ben64> choose an older kernel in grub
[21:32] <Emcy> it only lists 4.13.0-36
[21:32] <fxdave> can't you login into root terminal?
[21:32] <Ben64> Emcy: even under advanced?
[21:33] <pragmaticenigma> How about Emcy tells us what graphics card they have and what graphics driver they had installed before it broke?
[21:33] <Ben64> that's what i'm asking about
[21:33] <Emcy> yeah under advanced
[21:33] <Emcy> the chipset on these eepcs is intel gma950
[21:33] <SomeT> can someone look at this file for me please: https://hastebin.com/tolunujume.nginx basically I want to know if its secure, I wanted to do it temporarily so I don't have to use a key to login into my ubuntu via ssh, I have achieved this through this file by editing a few different options but I am bit worried it could have created a few security holes in the process?
[21:34] <SomeT> can someone look at this file for me please: https://hastebin.com/tolunujume.nginx basically I want to know if its secure, I wanted to do it temporarily so I don't have to use a key to login into my ubuntu via ssh, I have achieved this through this file by editing a few different options but I am bit worried it could have created a few security holes in the process? It is /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[21:34] <SomeT> btw
[21:34] <Ben64> Emcy: if that's the only one then you haven't gotten an update of the driver
[21:34] <Emcy> i dont know what changed then
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> no SomeT we won't look at a malicious file on a sketchy website
[21:35] <Ben64> hastebin isn't sketchy lol
[21:35] <SomeT> I can change the file name
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> I've never heard of it...
[21:35] <SomeT> https://hastebin.com/raw/tolunujume
[21:35] <SomeT> there we go
[21:35] <Emcy> did the kernel update? its an older kernel still
[21:36] <Ben64> Emcy: if it updated you'd have more than one kernel in grub
[21:36] <Emcy> upstard and recovery mode but same kernel v
[21:36] <fxdave> SomeT:  I think secure eneugh
[21:37] <SomeT> thanks @fxdave
[21:37] <SomeT> some people have told me its disabled password prompt
[21:37] <SomeT> but its not
[21:37] <SomeT> when I login into it via ssh it asks me for password
[21:39] <pragmaticenigma> when using a key file?
[21:39] <SomeT> no without a key file
[21:39] <SomeT> like I know its not secure etc...
[21:39] <SomeT> doing it this way
[21:40] <SomeT> but its just a temporary thing
[21:40] <pragmaticenigma> Then it's configured for password login instead of key file... it is working as you have configured it
[21:40] <SomeT> yes
[21:41] <SomeT> I guesssI am overthinking and worrying about this...
[21:41] <fxdave> Hey guys, can anyone give me advice about routing specific traffic trough openvpn  (I got a proxy by university), and lot of features avalaible but for e.g. IMCP isn't.  On the other hand I don't wanna use VPN all time. The best would be an port based routing, but openvpn client doesnt support.
[21:41] <pragmaticenigma> You are opening your system to a potential security hole by going with a password authentication instead of a key file. If it is temporary, I wouldn't leave it configured that way for very long
[21:42] <pragmaticenigma> if it doesn't need to be exposed to the internet... make sure it's close to only to your local network
[21:42] <gargeh> Thanks for helping me dig. Resulting bug report is here:- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1753837
[21:43] <SomeT> understood
[22:06] <hfp> What program does Ubuntu use under the hood when pressing the play/pause, prev, and next media keys to control players? Can I call them directly from bash?
[22:08] <pragmaticenigma> most of that is handled by X server, and I think there is a way to call them from the command line, I just can't remember what they are
[22:08] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, you could take a look at playerctl
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> !playerctl | hfp
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, https://www.ostechnix.com/control-media-players-commandline-linux/
[22:09] <arooni> what is the point of dnsmasq
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> it caches web addresses and their assigned IP addresses
[22:10] <MeaCulpa> I just tried to install dropbox using 'sudo dpkg -i dropbox-blah.deb' and the install failed due to unmet dependencies is there some command I can use to undo what I've just done please?
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> at least that is how it is configured by default on Ubuntu desktop
[22:11] <pragmaticenigma> MeaCulpa, if the install fails, it usually is autoremoved by dpkg
[22:11] <MeaCulpa> ok thanks
[22:11] <MeaCulpa> breathing a sigh of relief
[22:12] <MeaCulpa> any hints on how to install dropbox?
[22:12] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, dnsmasq is configured by default in ubuntu to cache web addresses and their assigned ip addresses. it reduces the time it takes for repeated look ups when you visit websites with a lot of content, stream media, or other internet related options
[22:13] <MeaCulpa> rtfb I guess lol
[22:13] <pragmaticenigma> dropbox isn't in the package repo... can't really support it here since it is 3rd party
[22:13] <pragmaticenigma> personally, I wouldn't install it and just use the clunky web interface
[22:13] <MeaCulpa> no probs
[22:13] <MeaCulpa> yeah good plan
[22:14] <MeaCulpa> that hadn't crossed my mind but too easy hey )
[22:16] <arooni> pragmaticenigma: is it required?  i find a lot of time its caching messes up my web development
[22:17] <arooni> pragmaticenigma: or can i disable it at startup somehow
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, it's caching should not be affecting your web development
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, how did you come to that conclusion?
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, if you are experiencing dns related issues, try changing your network settings to a better DNS server. ISP servers are usually not very good or responsive. You can try google dns at 8.8.8.8 & 8.8.8.4; or opendns at 208.67.222.222 & 208.67.220.220 ... set those on your network router or in network manager
[22:40] <arooni> pragmaticenigma: i disabled it in network manager conf
[22:40] <arooni> i'm using google dns and it seems decent enough
[22:49] <i-make-robots> hello.  anyone here familiar with linode's Longview system monitor?
[22:55] <Clien0> gdb: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:55] <Clien0> how to solve this
[23:03] <libertas> Hi, I'm stuck at login with unity failing to load.
[23:04] <libertas> Had seen and tried the solutions of https://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears
[23:04] <libertas> but no success
[23:04] <libertas> it's four or five years old, that bug, but it stroke my system 16.04 two times, the second after reinstallation
[23:05] <libertas> how come this happen, still?  What to do to solve the issue?
[23:05] <Bashing-om> libertas: nvidia graphics ?
[23:05] <libertas> Ubuntu 16.04.4 is running in a libvirtd virtual machine, it it helps
[23:06] <libertas> no nvidia, using stock libvirt configuration
[23:07] <Bashing-om> kidn3ys: Check : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1750937 that it is a module build error .
[23:09] <libertas> Bashing-om: ubottu:  but there are no nvidia hardware in my virtual installation
[23:10] <kenrin> Did you open a shell and check the logs ?
[23:10] <Bashing-om> libertas: It also applies to a VM build with that kernel version .
[23:13] <Clien0> E: Package 'libreadline6' has no installation candidate
[23:18] <genii> Clien0: Are you on some really old version of Ubuntu?
[23:18] <genii> ( or more recent one which could still be EOL )
[23:18] <kenrin> they been on v7 for quite a few releases
[23:28] <sourceslayer> Heyo
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> Hello sourceslayer
[23:30] <sourceslayer> I have an old machine I plan on storing backups on using tar archives
[23:30] <sourceslayer> I think of compressing it with tar.gz
[23:30] <sourceslayer> But I have a couple of questions
[23:31] <sourceslayer> 1. Is it possible to do incremental backups with diffs of the tar file and
[23:31] <sourceslayer> 2. is there a preferable compression/archive format for this?
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> arooni, glad you figured it out
[23:31] <sourceslayer> Sorry for the long post
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> tars are meant for making a group of files into a single file with an index so you can get them back. it was desiged for old tape drive backups. It wouldn't be the best candidate for backups like that
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> at least not stand alone
[23:33] <sourceslayer> What would be a good alternative?
[23:33] <Bashing-om> sourceslayer: tar for compression shoulld ( and is ) fine .. tar [tape archive] has been around since year one . A to the copy/compare I like 'rsync' .
[23:33] <pragmaticenigma> sourceslayer, what you could do is write a bash script that would inflate (decompress) your archive to a folder, then run rsync from the source to the archive, then deflate (compress) the archive
[23:33] <sourceslayer> It's an old PC so I'm going to be using a hard disk for back ups
[23:34] <sourceslayer> Interesting, to make sure I get what you mean, decompress it locally on my machine before backing it up?
[23:34] <pragmaticenigma> tar is quite efficient for older hardware, gzip as well... it's just there isn't a way to do incremental changes to the tar.gz file... you would have to decompress, make the changes and then recompress
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> There are a lot of options... no one single right way
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> what I've seen most admins do is this... They back everything they want to a local folder, compress that folder into a tar.gz... then use scp or sftp to move the tar.gz to the backup machine. once the move is complete, they delete the old back up on the backup machine
[23:40] <kk4ewt> sourceslayer,  look at dejavu or backintime
[23:43] <sourceslayer> I'm looking into it
[23:44] <sourceslayer> I'm just trying to understand what pragmaticenigma said
[23:44] <sourceslayer> So, if I did that, I'd have less options in terms of how much backups options I have to back up to a certain time?
[23:53] <Budgii> Does anyone have some free time to review some python lesson material?
[23:56] <sybariten> so this question may be a bit vague, but....  i have a headless (x)ubuntu machine. I have a USB cabinet connected to it, with an NTFS drive in it. When i connect a screen i can double click this drive on the desktop and it gets mounted in a good way
[23:56] <sybariten> so i can use it from samba. How do i know the mount command to mount it in the same way, but over SSH? So i dont need to connect a screen. I just rebooted the machine now and the drive is obvjously not mounted
[23:57] <Budgii> oops, I posted in wrong channel, sorry #Ubuntu
[23:59] <libertas> Bashing-om: thanks.  Booted with a 4.10.x kernel and there's no problem anymore