[07:14] <Volkodav> After partial upgrade it offers to remove 49 packages including nvidia and gnome-desktop? Does not sound right for some reason
[07:15] <Peace-> hello guys i have a problem with my wifi , basically i can't get connected with the network manager , but iwconfig is listing my wifi and connectin to an open wifi it's working 
[07:16] <Volkodav> should I remove them? 
[07:16] <Peace-> the problem it's that  my wifi , with wpa is not listed and even the open wifi is not listed on the network manager
[07:16] <Peace-> to make this working i have to do some command i found after analyzing the problem
[07:17] <Peace-> baically it's a problem with wpa_supplicant and systemd
[07:17] <Peace-> i have to do sudo pkill wpa_supplicant , stop systemd networkmanger.service , start again the wpa_supplicant service , and finally start again the networkmanager service 
[07:18] <Peace-> after that the network manager applet lists correctly my wifi and it connects.
[07:18] <Peace-> THIS IS WEIRD i guess a systemd\wpa_supplicant bug on some config files
[07:19] <Peace-> the errors are these :   You may have another wpa_supplicant process already running or the file was  left by an unclean termination of wpa_supplicant
[07:20] <Peace->  sup-iface[0x56547f32d5b0,wlp7s0]: error adding interface: wpa_supplicant couldn't grab this interface.
[07:21] <Peace-> and the fix it's this : sudo systemctl  stop NetworkManager.service ; sudo systemctl  stop wpa_supplicant.service  ;  sudo systemctl  start wpa_supplicant.service  ;  sudo pkill wpa_supplicant ;  sudo systemctl ;  start wpa_supplicant.service ; sleep 4 ;  sudo systemctl start NetworkManager.service
[07:21] <Peace-> +for fix i mean now i am on internet :D
[10:37] <bcx> libcurl3 has been relabelled libcurl4 to upgrade OpenSSL dep from libssl1.0.0  to libssl1.1, not all packages have moved to libcurl4, eg cryfs
[10:39] <bcx> so you can't use sirikali (requires cryfs, even if it support other encryptors) on bionic and keep curl
[10:39] <bcx> I think sirikali, cryfs & others not ported to libssl1.1 should be quickly removed from bionic
[10:40] <bcx> as breakinf curl breaks so much stuff...
[10:43] <bcx> the best solution would have been to 1: compile cryfs against libssl1.1, 2: remove sirikali dependency to cryfs (gocryptfs is much better)
[10:43] <bcx> miserly, don't know if the schedule would allow this :(
[10:45] <bcx> also I don't understand why libcurl3 & libcurl4 cannot coexist
[16:22] <CoJaBo> Achievement Unlocked: Plugged more than 3 drives into Bionic Server without it shutting off
[19:48] <stochastix> Should I be able to follow these instructions to get Ubuntu 18.10 on ZFS root ?  https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-17.10-Root-on-ZFS
[19:49] <pgoetz> 18.10?
[19:50] <stochastix> I got some errors when running debootstrap bionic /mnt
[19:50] <stochastix> sorry. 18.04
[19:51] <stochastix> It seemed to go well, except for configuring the system at the end. But I seem to be missing packages like locale-gen  and tz-data etc
[19:51] <stochastix> maybe I should just copy over the running system of the live 18.04 ISO 
[19:52] <stochastix> I may have just messed something up along the way. Has anyone tried installing it on a zfs root yet?
[21:02] <bcx> stochastix: I did, it is ok but beware, initramfs scripts are often updated, currently not as good as in xenial but should be ok for simple cases
[21:10] <stochastix> I may have messed something up the first time, and I cleaned it all up and managed to remount things, and I just ran debootstrap again. its unpacking things right now.  Did you also run into an issue with locale-gen not being there, or when you were chrooted in, did you seem to have all the binaries?
[21:11] <stochastix> hmm, looks like I made it through debootstrap without errors this time. lets see how far I get.
[21:14] <bcx> I use chrooted scripts to configure the environment, the tricky part is boot-partion-less grub booting, especially if you use LUKS encrupted volumes
[21:15] <bcx> otherwise just use a plain boot partition it's easy
[21:15] <stochastix> Yea, not using LUKS.  already things are looking better. I was even missing /et/netplan  dir last time.
[21:15] <stochastix> debootstrap didnt finish properly the first time.
[21:17] <bcx> hostname, locale-gen, localtime, keyboard, kernel, udev and grub
[21:17] <bcx> also think that debootstrap does not pull updates/security
[22:07] <stochastix> Ok, so i rebooted and it seems to be working. :)  A little sidetracked trying to figure out why I have no autocomplete at the prompt arg
[22:09] <stochastix> K, thats installed :)
[22:10] <stochastix> seems grub still thinks I have a windows 7 install on one of the disks, ill have to fail it out and dd the beginning of the drive and recreate and resilver it, that will be fun
[22:12] <stochastix> bcx: Im curious, when the initramfs scripts are updated, can it break things easily? Is there usually issues when upgrading kernels ?
[22:14] <bcx> check grub 30-os-prober for windows
[22:14] <bcx> stochastix: for simple configuration like yours I think it is safe
[22:15] <pgoetz> I installed 18.04 on a workstation with 2 GTX 1070 cards, one hooked up to a 4K monitor.  Also installed the current Nvidia 390 drivers from the PPA.  Now have this extremely strange problem.  gdm and the first user to log in get a display locked to 1080x768.  If however you use fast user switching to switch users, the next user to log in gets the full 4K display.  I didn't test with a 3rd logged in user, figuring this was already weir
[22:15] <pgoetz> d enough.
[22:15] <pgoetz> Any thoughts?
[22:15] <bcx> I use multiple roots on pool (bootable snapshots), crypto and multi-devices pools so it may break 
[22:17] <stochastix> bcx: can you recommend any good reading to wrap my head around some of what you got going on?
[22:20] <bcx> stochastix: nope, I think this is exclusive
[22:26] <stochastix> bcx: Are you doing things like cloning the filesystem and incrementing names before updating and stuff?
[22:29] <bcx> stochastix: exactly
[22:29] <bcx> stochastix: the tricky part is generally irfs & grub
[22:30] <stochastix> K, yea, I dont fully understand all of the concepts and methods for doing that. That is kind of what I was wondering about, if you might be able to recommend any reading that would help with that. 
[22:30] <bcx> I think we need sth intelligent & monolytic as systemd for irfs
[22:31] <stochastix> Of course I realize soemtimes the  reading is all over google  :)
[22:31] <bcx> grub zfs is not documented, irfs tricks are custom
[22:31] <stochastix> Didnt know if there were any good books or documents that you remember off the top of your head that were really helpful for you 
[22:32] <bcx> lot of zfs discussions at github issues
[22:33] <bcx> Aaron Toponce has written good stuff on zfs, long time ago https://pthree.org/category/zfs/
[22:34] <stochastix> Yea, thats usually where the good stuff is, forums etc
[22:34] <bcx> miserly root zfs is not the main focus for ZoL project
[22:35] <bcx> but lxd/docker attract more people to zfs
[22:36] <bcx> so zfs may become more popular (after 15years of stability)
[22:40] <bcx> also check out sanoid for automated snapshots
[22:42] <bcx> ideally your backup server should use zfs, in that case zfs send will give you a great time machine with optimal performance
[22:43] <bcx> while I have been waiting for native zfs crypto to be opensourced by sun then by oracle - and never happened, zfs over LUKS (with AES-NI) gives me 500MB/sec on ssd 
[22:44] <bcx> the only drawback is memory, at least 2GB should be given to zfs 
[23:03] <stochastix> Nice,thanks for all the good info. ZFS is amazing isnt it.