[00:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: what was your opinion on ind-? Think I missed it
[00:01] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thought it'd be nice to get the ayatana alt depends upstream first.
[00:01] <bluesabre> oh right
[00:01] <bluesabre> but the ayatana patches we had also didn't work
[00:02] <Unit193> 1. I still need to look into that.  2. For some reason they didn't seem to with indicator-sound, but they certainly do in Debian.
[00:02] <Unit193> (Where ayatana-indicator-foo exists.)
[00:04] <bluesabre> It might make sense to go ahead and do a new release pre-xfconf 4.13, then a follow up release with ayatana so there's a stable final version of the former
[00:06] <Unit193> (FWIW, I was thinking support both, ala: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?att=1;bug=880169;filename=network-manager-applet_1.8.4-1%2Bayatanaindicator.debdiff;msg=10)  Sure, I suppose the 4.13/14 support would mean it wouldn't be *too* long between releases, so WFM.
[00:07] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r664 Release 18.04.3 (by Sean Davis)
[00:11] <Unit193> I don't really have any strong opinions here, just a thought.
[00:12] <bluesabre> :)
[06:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm of a mind to not release b1 if I/we deem it insufficiently tested - and to make that reason known in mailing lists
[06:26] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - can we have some testing love for beta on twitter and g+1 please - also can we word it that it's there for the community to test - like facebook :p
[11:17] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, regarding the test cases steps the select keyboard layout step is now appearing right after clicking the Install Xubuntu button, not after selecting the timezone step
[11:17] <slickymasterWork> Do you want me to file a bug against the testcases and prepare a MP?
[17:37] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: you can - but I'd be inclined to wait for mp as I suspect it'll be a mass change
[17:38] <slickymasterWork> it's bound to be one
[17:38] <slickymasterWork> it's on all testcases
[17:39] <flocculant> yea :|
[19:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: new installation to hardware - first login takes an age to reach desktop (more or less what I've been seeing in vm's) 
[19:14] <flocculant> at a loss what to pin it to ... however logs in /var/log/lightdm https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/trjGhTGmbP/
[19:14] <flocculant> I see "(lightdm-gtk-greeter:793): WARNING **: 19:01:27.205: [PIDs] Failed to execute command: upstart"
[19:15] <flocculant> I thought that upstart was gone - and would that possibly be the reason ?
[22:27] <flocculant> slickymaster: I reported it as a bug