 lots of porting to do 👀
 Gotta port fast
 @mariogrip
 @PhoenixLandPirate, should we start a porting contest?  guiness book of world records for the fastest ever port?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/foh4dlYO.mp4
 This is how porting should go
 it doesn't
 :(
 (Photo, 1280x461) https://irc.ubports.com/TFb0D0xn.png
 This is what I was trying to refer to but Marius wasn't here to get the joke
 @PhoenixLandPirate, this is quality
 @wayneoutthere, Agreed
[02:19] <ubptgbot> <Igor Dikiy> @trainailleur, Hello Stephen, I was wondering how you installed CyanogenMod on your nook. Maybe I should start there. By the way, I realized what I have is a Nook HD+
 Ah.  What I have is the one which was actually named "Nook Tablet."  Codename was "acclaim."  I don't remember the steps I took, but it was probably originally following whatever instructions Cyanogenmod had, as it was an officially supported device through CM11 or so.
 @Igor Dikiy, Ah.  What I have is the one which was actually named "Nook Tablet."  Codename was "acclaim."  I don't remember the steps I took, but it was probably originally following whatever instructions Cyanogenmod had, as it was an officially supported device through CM11 or so. … The HD models came later, I believe.
 So I think we're talking about different hardware unfortunately.
 From looking at XDA, it seems that some people have gotten Lineage 14.1 to run on the HD/HD+.  They might be a potential source of info: … https://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-hd/development
[05:15] <ubptgbot> MCAdkins was added by: MCAdkins
 How long should I expect the flash to a OPO to take
 @TartanSpartan, This is not only in libertine, I get this also in the normal browser. From fresh 16.04 install.
 @Flohack, Apparently removing a dep works.
 It's on my todo list to hunt this down.
 @tsimonq2, #define UBUNTU_LEAN_AND_MEAN
 @Flohack, :D
 @MCAdkins, Hi Michael, Welcome , Pls try starting here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @MCAdkins, Flashing is not a fast process but it shouldn't take hours. If you have a OPO, read this https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1015/howto-opo-fix-mtp-driver-permissions
[09:03] <ubptgbot> Danjreynolds was added by: Danjreynolds
 Is the native telegram functional? It shows no contacts and messages for this sane account
 @Danjreynolds, Hi Dan, welcome , You may want to visit this site also https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Danjreynolds, Yes that is normal at the moment
 @Danjreynolds, [Edit] Yes that is normal at the moment, it a supergroup telegram known feature, but we all are here 😉
 @trainailleur, I had that but the battery died. Those are quite long in the tooth now
 @Danjreynolds, Always good to restart the device after install/upgrade of Telegram
 @Danjreynolds, [Edit] Yes that is normal at the moment, it is a supergroup telegram known feature, but we all are here 😉
 @milkor73, No contacts, yes. No messages?
 Messages ok
 Just contacts missing
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/ItVOrgYK.png
 This is expected. API for Channels changed a lot, actually the members are OVERWRITTEN by the chat API that sends 0 participants. I decide dnot to fix that as it is not so easy ;)
 NP for me 🙂
 In the "chat zone" of this supergroup I can't see the total number of members but I can see it clicking on Contacts icon. … In Milan's screenshot is 0 though
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/AungmeR1.png
 @advocatux, Its working sometimes, sometimes not. A race condition between 2 API calls lol
 https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html here it says that Storage: 16GB of storage is generally enough for any Halium-based OS. My phone has 8gb internal memory. So I can't port halium to it?
 nobody can tell until you try
 if /boot is big enough, it will surely work
 read __generally_
 [Edit] read generally
 @vanyasem, oh yes thanks
 n4 8 gig works *shrugs*
 "generally"
 also, ask halium questions in @halium
 8gig is plenty to boot on, but you can't store a lot of high res videos and music on it
 @vanyasem, already did. they say the same thing
 but totally usable as a phone and for network stuff
 @redshaman, i am on halium team, no wonder our answers were the same lol
 you could probably port to a 4GB device if you wanted to
 @dohbee, It's okay. I can always use sd card
 right
 16GB is a good metric because most modern phones come with at least that much
 but it's not a minimum
 which halium I will need for ubuntu touch? 5.1 or 7.1?
 I see that all supported devices are now rather aged. Are there any newer models in sight? So that I know in which direction to invest? … It feels a bit weird to buy a 4 year-old device, used, to have the top-notch device for running  UT convergence. 😳
 @peterbittner, you're welcome to buy a brand new device and try to port it
 @dohbee, Of course I expected that kind of advice.
 it's not easy and everyone doing this is doing it in their spare time with devices they own, as a labor of love
 HTC 10 was released in 2016. is it still too old?
 fairphone 2 is still purchasable new
 Pro 5 is late 2015
 Don't get me wrong, I'm running quite a couple of FLOSS projects myself on GitHub. I understand the general problem. Just want to know whether there is some talk behind the scences about "the next great device" that will be ported.
 i'm sorry that ubports is not google and doesn't have billions of dollars on hand to make new devices that fit directly with the goals of the os, and are stuck having to hope that manufacturers release kernel sources and vendor trees so that ports are even possible
 seeing whatsapp, telegram and other android apps in ubuntu touch would be great
 afaik HTC 10 and OnePlus 5 are probably the "next great devices" that people are working on
 telegram is already in ubuntu
 @dohbee, HTC 10 is not listed as supported device. http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices/
 you are asking for something to be the "next great device" and also already be supported? those are not the same thing
 they are not supported devices yet because the ports are not finished with daily builds
 so yeah if you want to install ubuntu on htc 10 today, you have to build it yourself and flash it on manually. no OTAs and such yet
 and all new devices will only have 16.04, no 15.04 images
 16.04 sounds better than 15.04. … What is the deal with 18.04? (Sorry for asking the typical dumb question!) … Would that be available for mobile devices? Is Canonical doing something under the hood which would support the achievements of the UBports project? (snaps is enstablished as a packaging format, that would be one step
[15:38] <ubptgbot> already)
 16.04 sounds better but it is not stable yet
 Or are they just struggling with getting Wayland out of the LTS, before it's too late?
 18.04 will take a huge amount of work to get working
 wayland is still going to be in 18.04
 it's just not the default
 Oh, is it? So, what was all the rumours? Weird.
 canonical is not investing in phone development at all, no
 what rumors?
 X11 is the default.
 Wayland is just a protocol and it's baked in to gtk+ and stuff. removing it would be an incredible waste of time
 That Wayland is not going to be default in the LTS.
 rather, wayland support is also being added to Mir
 well that's not a rumor, it's fact
 but default and in and not exclusive properties
 Alright, so it's just that I phrased it a wrong way.
 switching the default there was a trivial change
 I'm going to stop commenting now before I start questioning QA on the Gnome project. (And blaming them for instability and memory issues on 17.10.)
 Okay, so OnePlus is probably a safe choice as an investment. That's fine, that's what I wanted to understand.
 You can also take a peek to https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/supplementary/devices/index.html and make your bet
 Is there a way to change the default responses when declining a call and replying with a text message?
 @advocatux, Thanks! - Just for clarification: OnePlus 5 doesn't include OnePlus 5T, does it?
 Probably not - they don't have unified lineage builds either
 (unlike 3 and 3t)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/RBhQabTF.webp
 @AmolithSeregion, that... is a great question. I have been looking for this for a long time, haha
 we need a 'power user' guide/video series (already verbally planning in marketing/community but takes so much work/time)
 @wayneoutthere, Lol. Does anyone know?
 @wayneoutthere, I can make a video guide how to use the installer on Windows 😆
 I need to speak with you... outside.  *wink*
 (joking - plus i have absolutely no idea what that meant)
 hehe
 According to this https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html I need lineage.dependencies file but my device is not officially supported by LineageOS so I don't have it. What should I use instead?
 Really? Everyone is sleeping or what? :D
 Did you already find the device tree for your device?
[18:27] <ubptgbot> xXx was added by: xXx
 And which device are you porting?
 @redshaman, Say this again when there are 100 msgs per minute here
 @JBBgameich, Yes. I already got the answer
 I need to use local_manifests file
 Error is marked with red and my devices manifest file with green
 (Photo, 846x105) https://irc.ubports.com/BPZ2vPnf.png
 I need to move my device's manifest file to .repo and rename it to manifest.xml?
 you are trying to use a remote "github", which doesn't exist ...
 No wait, it's something different
 After making your changes, you need to run ./halium/devices/setup codename again, to download the git repositories using repo
 But what happend to your default manifest.xml? It shouldn't be changed for porting
 Let me tell you what I did. I cloned manifest files into repo and then tried to run repo sync
 This error popped out
 I didn't made any changes to that manifest.xml file
 I thought it should be my devices manifest file
 You shouldn't use the local_manifests folder at all. After repo init, add the manifest to halium/devices/manifests/codename.xml
 But I think that's described in the documentation
 @JBBgameich, Yeah just read it again. My device manifest is called coreprimeve3g.xml. I need to move it from local manifests to halium/devices/manifests/ ?
 Correct
 and then run the `./halium/devices/setup coreprimeve3g`
 Thank You. Can I write here if new errors will come out?
 This is really content for the Halium group. Also, please rename your manifest to `manufacturer_codename.xml`
 [Edit] This is really content for the Halium group. Also, please rename your manifest to `$manufacturer_$codename.xml`
 @JBBgameich, Okay. No problem. I will ask there. But what's this group about for?
 @JBBgameich, If it's a samsung device, then `samsung_coreprimeve3g.xml` should be the correct
 @JBBgameich, Got it. Manual says so
 @redshaman, This group is more general ubports talk
 @redshaman, The UBports supergroup is more for general Ubuntu Touch questions. The Halium group is for general porting with Halium, and once you have Halium working, there's a UBports porting group for making Ubuntu Touch work with Halium on your device.
 I am sorry if my questions was against rules. Will ask new ones in Halium group. And thanks for help
 No problem. It's not generally disallowed to ask porting questions here, it's just much more likely that someone will answer them when asked in the Halium group.
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SergiQuilesPérez/posts/DADiftg6ZWH
 (Photo, 469x72) https://irc.ubports.com/9uEZhqLm.png
 Does anybody know it? :-/
 available for what?
 I think he means for desktop
 Hi! We can install some apps in UBports 16.04 if we open the browser and download through the openstore website. but I do not know if it is advisable ... … open.uappexplorer.com - OpenStore
 16.04 will receive a working store in the next devel
 @malditobastardo, Ooo yay
 Yesss!!! :-)
 @malditobastardo, When it will be?
 there's a 16.04 update everyday I believe the only exception is sunday
 But with that being said, some Sundays their are updates so *shrugs*
 So, it will be soon...wonderful!!!
 @Jyoti, open-store.io
 @sergiqp, i think that's just the stock ubuntu wallpaper, maybe from 17.10?
 Ubuntu touch drains battery or not?
 I do not think the Ubuntu tounch drains battery. Mine is quite good
 Maybecanbe better, but is not bad actually
 good. if somehow whatsapp will appear then I can live in that system forever
 not a big fan of whatsapp but everybody around uses it so I need too for keeping contact ))
 Telegramis much better then whatsapp. But you are right, if you have both is better
 anything that's powered on will drain battery :)
 @redshaman, Tbf people is the only reason I still use telegram.
 Then again if no one had any media app, I wouldnt use anything so
 I guess Im the fool in this one
 When he asked if is draining battery he means, "draining more then usually" :-)
 @Jyoti, exactly :)
[20:13] <ubptgbot> Einser Pasch was added by: Einser Pasch
 yes i know that. but it really depends on how you use the phone
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> Hey guys I tried to flash a oneplus one with the ubports installer 0.1.11-beta. … Now the phone is dead. … Doesn't react in any way anymore.  … Any help?
 and why halium
 what's the relationship of ubuntu touch with halium
 if you enable notifications for everything and the phone is constantly polling servers, for example, it's going to use a lot more battery
 halium is the future way of building the android layer
 initiated by the ubports devs
 so future releases of ubports will be built on top of halium
 a question about oxide: which branch of https://github.com/ubports/oxide/branches is used for 16.04?
[20:26] <ubptgbot> ridams was added by: ridams
 or is it already replaced by QtWebEngine?
 it is not yet afaik
 i presume the "xenial" branch is used for xenial
 Yep
 porting webbrowser-app to qtwebengine is a lot of work, too
 Just asking because I've made a small change to 1.19, and not sure if it has arrived in xenial
 and getting rid of oxide will break lots of apps. not sure if oxide could be made into a wrapper for webengine
 I only see "master", "crmaster" and 1.16 ... 1.22, which one is xenial ?
 i guess xenial builds are from master there, rather
 actually I like oxide : )
 ok thanks
 but also quite a lot of effort to move to new versions I guess
 it's ok, sure, but it's a pain to maintain, because chromium is a pain
 for me even setting up an environment to build it was a challenge :  )
 you probably need to re-propose your fix to the master branch, it probably shouldn't have been done on the 1.19 branch
 especially since releases are already up to 1.22 i guess
 the only problem, by bq is my daily phone (my only Ubports device), and I'm not sure I should put 16.04 on it already
 hmm, yeah, there's no debian dir there even. i don't recall how exactly those packages get built
 you probably shouldn't
 and updates to 15.04 are very unlikely
[20:45] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> Hey guys I just try to install Ubuntu touch to my oneplus one. But I can only enter the fast boot mode. And then nothing more happens. I have the latest installer... … Any help?
 Last year I got it to work somehow that I can test my patches on the phone (if I can reproduce it I will post it to the forum)
 On a Ubuntu 16.04 host, I have to run the UBPorts installer with sudo in order to get it to recognize OnePlus One in fastboot.
 it was with ENABLE_COMPONENT_BUILD
 Also verify unlocked bootloader and that adb and fastboot are working.
[20:48] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> @trainailleur, I use Windows 8.1
 The folks in Welcome and Install room are generally a good source of help. … @WelcomePlus
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> @trainailleur, Thanks!
 @dohbee there was a "downgrade" 11 days ago: https://github.com/ubports/oxide-packaging/blob/xenial/ubports.source_location
 err why
 no idea :  ) maybe problems on some BQ phones ? I remember E5 had problems with a new version some months ago
 but 1.21.7 isn't even the latest version
 @dohbee, Thanks
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> Hello all, I'm trying to write files to the filesystem using HTML / JS via cordova and am running into a bit of trouble
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> I've found this: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/245/need-for-better-permission-policy-for-html5-app/3 is there an easy way to access the filesystem using cordova, or is there another way to do this stuff as an alternative to cordova?
 does the standard cordova way of reading/writing files not work?
 if not, what is the error?
 i guess you probably need to build the file paths yourself, and they would have to be in the correct locations that your app has permissions to write to
[21:26] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> just looking at the [cordova documentation for file access](https://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/latest/reference/cordova-plugin-file/) ubports/ubuntu doesnt seem to have any support
 that support is something the plug-in implements, no?
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> that is correct, plugin needs to implement support on a per-system basis
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> ubports doesnt have support, I was wondering if there is an easy way to use javascript to access filesystems on the system
 there is not
 can you not use that plug-in and manually build the path to the files?
[21:38] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> looking at the plugins source code, it will not even compile the app without a ubports directory in the src folder
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> it doesnt know *how* to write the file under a ubports system
 you mean ubuntu?
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> yes
 i guess some code needs to be written there then
[21:41] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> I guess it does, on to making a cordova file plugin for ubuntu
[21:41] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> thanks for your help
 A while ago someone sent me a link to some documentation showing how to stream the display from UT to a media player on another device. Does anyone know where that is?
 @AmolithSeregion, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html maybe?
 yep!
 @Lyokanthrope, That's, thank you!
 @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] That's it, thank you!
 god bless firefox for letting me just type in 'screen cast' and it shows up in my suggestions x3
 @Lyokanthrope, That's exactly why I stopped deleting my history
 I tried that one and it was... quite dissapointing
 The framerate you could pull (at least from my N4) was very jumpy, not fluid at all
 same with 5
 [Edit] same with N5
 @Lyokanthrope, Do I execute this command on my phone or on my laptop?
 The first one, over ADB, I mean
 desktop.
 er
 laptop*
 whatever.
 Any ideas? https://asciinema.org/a/91oCy1oFUdXh0acHWz3DQsKD6
 uh
 is developer mode on
 [Edit] is developer mode on?