[00:27] <DoSpray> Narwhal means UniDolphin ! I made it to University ! Thank-you UbuntuGnome :D https://www.urbandictionary.com/tags.php?tag=narwhal
[00:28] <bazhang> DoSpray, great topic for #ubuntu-offtopic or other chat location
[00:29] <DoSpray> agreed. Shall go to University with My Pet Owl in Septeber, goodbye /r/ubuntu
[00:43] <hunzig> hi,everyone !
[00:54] <howudodat_> need some help troubleshooting sudo for domain admins I have added %CP\\Accounting ALL=(All:ALL) ALL using visudo.  then "samba-tool group listmembers Accounting" returns holly. then trying sudo I get holly is not in the sudoers file.
[01:00] <kenrin> did holly relogin ?
[01:01] <howudodat_> kenrin:yes
[01:01] <howudodat_> I just 2x checked to make sure
[01:02] <kenrin> Then you probably added the domain and|or group wrong
[01:04] <howudodat_> kenrin:that's why I copied and pasted the lines here.  I cant find anything wrong with what was entered
[01:04] <kenrin> You going to have to trial and error,  it also depends on how the domain is joined sometimes too
[01:05] <kenrin> For all you know the group could be like %CP\ Account@cp.com
[01:05] <xz_> Hello, i need to help for create bootable win in linux ubuntu
[01:06] <howudodat_> kenrin: samba-tool group list returns "Accounting" among the other groups that are there
[01:07] <xz_> how create a NTFS partition on the USB stick, e.g. /dev/sdb1, and mark it bootable ?
[01:08] <kenrin> That doesn't matter really.  My test setup I did one day required them in kerberos like realm fashion.  using the full Accounting@DOMAIN.COM
[01:08] <kenrin> There is really too many variations to list but google should help
[01:10] <shilei> JOIN<r>
[01:13] <howudodat_> kenrin: is there a way to ask sudo to do more logging so I can see what it's failing on?
[01:14] <howudodat_> I've read about 50 googled sites that say the way to add to sudoers is %DOMAIN\Group  (variations on what to do with the spaces in group name which is why I chose Accounting to test with)
[01:14] <kenrin> Not that I know of, the authlog likely just says blank is not in the sudoers file. blah blah
[01:14] <howudodat_> yes very little info in authlog
[01:19] <Average-user> Hi, I need a script with root permission to run every time I start the computer, or every time I login. I've tried with .xprofile, but does not work. Any Ideas?
[01:21] <xz_> How i clear mbr partition on usb ?
[01:22] <whoami> how to join ubuntu in termux?
[01:24] <leftyfb> whoami: huh?
[01:27] <leftyfb> whoami: please do not pm
[01:27] <whoami> i'm sorry
[01:29] <leftyfb> whoami: what do you need help with?
[01:32] <whoami> problem's login
[01:33] <howudodat_> Average-user: you either want an upstart script or sysvinit script.  check /etc/init.d/ for examples, you can probably copy and modify a simple script from there.  otherwise look at the UbuntuBootupHowto wiki page
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> what is the primary way of starting and stopping services in 16.04?
[01:43] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: systemctl
[01:44] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[01:45] <Simonious> what is going on here?
[01:45] <Simonious> apt-get update Err:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease   Temporary failure resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[01:45] <leftyfb> Simonious: sounds like you have a problem resolving us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:45] <leftyfb> Simonious: as in, DNS
[01:45] <Simonious> yeah..
[01:45] <pragmaticenigma> thanks leftyfb
[01:46] <leftyfb> Simonious: try changing your DNS to a public resolver like googles; 8.8.8.8
[01:57] <Simonious> leftyfb: apparently I don't know how to set up my dns, give me a hint.
[01:59] <kenrin> sudo echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" >> /etc/resolv.conf will temporarily fix it
[01:59] <kenrin> But that is usually controlled by DHCP or whatever you input when you add the IP address
[02:01] <Simonious> kenrin: indeed, that did work, which is neat, because that file did not previously exist.
[02:02] <leftyfb> Simonious: what version of ubuntu?
[02:02] <leftyfb> Simonious: run this: nmcli device show|grep DNS
[02:02] <Simonious> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[02:03] <Simonious> IP4.DNS[1]:                             192.168.0.1 IP4.DNS[2]:                             216.170.153.146
[02:03] <Simonious> oh.. my local ISP DNS is failing
[02:03] <leftyfb> Simonious: ok, that's using your router which is using your ISP's DNS.
[02:03] <leftyfb> Simonious: change the DNS on your router
[02:03] <kenrin> That would do it
[02:03] <Simonious> ok
[02:06] <Simonious> It's done, thanks, strangely NONE were defined yet this problem didn't exist yesterday.
[02:27] <Guest77202> where is the "real" xchat?
[02:28] <kenrin> Real xchat is dead
[02:28] <Bashing-om> !xchat | Guest77202
[02:29] <Guest77202> ok, thanks. I'll have to compile it...
[02:29] <Ben64> or, you know, use hexchat
[02:30] <kenrin> Or go full linux and use a CLI client ;P
[02:35] <bonhoeffer> anyone know why this isn't working grep -oPe '2017' All2017Data.txt
[02:35] <bonhoeffer> i don't get an error, i just get usage: grep [-abcDEFGHhIiJLlmnOoqRSsUVvwxZ] [-A num] [-B num] [-C[num]]
[02:37] <kenrin> I don't see those options you used in there
[02:38] <bonhoeffer> kenrin: sorry -- misread my version
[02:39] <bonhoeffer> GNU grep has the -P option for perl-style regexes
[02:42] <ko_> ?
[02:44] <ko_> whos alive
[02:44] <leftyfb> ko_: what can we do for you?
[02:51] <phillijw> I need help. I tried installing nvidia drivers and now, no matter what I do, apt keeps telling me I have unmet dependencies. It suggests apt-get -f install which also fails. What do?
[02:51] <leftyfb> phillijw: post to pastebin all of the errors you get
[02:53] <phillijw> https://pastebin.com/yuQcU0DS
[02:54] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo apt-get clean ; sudo apt-get autoremove
[02:54] <leftyfb> then try again
[02:54] <phillijw> already tried but I will try again to see what  happens this time
[02:55] <phillijw> clean was fine. autoremove suggests running apt-get -f install again
[02:57] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo mv /etc/vdpau_wrapper.cfg /etc/vdpau_wrapper.bak
[02:57] <Ben64> aw i was gonna say that
[02:57] <phillijw> k
[02:57] <phillijw> autoremove again?
[02:57] <ljetibo> So I recently just upgraded to ubuntu 16.04. Since I made the upgrade it takes ubuntu a long time to shut down. By "long" I mean longer than before and longer than you would expect for an SSD. Additionally, just now I had a crash. I turned off the display fn+F7, and it didn't want to turn on again, YT music in the background stopped and it died. I forcefully turned it off by holding power button. During the restart it popped an error (something Lookup
[02:57] <ljetibo> table, didn't have time to take a pic) and then repeated to crash again. This is the 3rd restart of my laptop and it seems to have been able to boot into a clean version (no recovery during boot phase performed I suppose). Where can I look to find out more abotu what went wrong and fix it?
[02:58] <leftyfb> phillijw: sure
[02:58] <phillijw> leftyfb: same errors
[02:59] <leftyfb> phillijw: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[02:59] <phillijw> https://askubuntu.com/questions/735572/how-to-install-nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-driver/735580
[03:01] <leftyfb> phillijw: 361 is fairly old
[03:01] <Ben64> ppa :(
[03:01] <leftyfb> phillijw: the later one is available in ubuntu without the use of a ppa
[03:02] <phillijw> this is the problem with linux. Q&A from 15 years ago stil exists except its out of date :p
[03:02] <leftyfb> phillijw: I would suggest removing all of it and just installing nvidia-384
[03:02] <phillijw> not sure how to even remove it tbh
[03:02] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo ppa-purge ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[03:03] <leftyfb> phillijw: if that doesn't work, we'll remove it manually
[03:03] <phillijw> command not found :(
[03:03] <leftyfb> ok
[03:05] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo rm -f /etc/apt/sources.list.d/graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list* ; sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*
[03:06] <phillijw> it did stuff and then complained and suggests doing apt-get -f install again
[03:08] <leftyfb> phillijw: pastebin please
[03:09] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo apt-get remove --purge libvdpau1
[03:09] <phillijw> https://pastebin.com/qqajsujr
[03:10] <phillijw> The purge says these are unmet: mesa-vdpau-drivers : Depends: libvdpau1 but it is not going to be installed
[03:11] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo apt-get remove --purge libvdpau1 mesa-vdpau-drivers
[03:11] <phillijw> same with nvidia-settings
[03:11] <phillijw> now its nvidia-settings vdpau-driver-all
[03:12] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo apt-get remove --purge libvdpau1 mesa-vdpau-drivers libcuda1-* nvidia-* vdpau-drivers-all
[03:13] <phillijw> E: Unable to locate package vdpau-drivers-all
[03:13] <leftyfb> phillijw: sudo apt-get remove --purge libvdpau1 mesa-vdpau-drivers libcuda1-* nvidia-*
[03:13] <leftyfb> oh, sorry. first run sudo apt-get update
[03:14] <phillijw> vdpau-driver-all : Depends: mesa-vdpau-drivers but it is not going to be installed
[03:14] <phillijw> feels very circular :)
[03:15] <leftyfb> can you pastebin it all please
[03:16] <phillijw> https://pastebin.com/zerVGELv
[03:18] <leftyfb> you ran apt-get update right?
[03:18] <phillijw> yes
[03:19] <leptone> I have a machine running Ubuntu and a bluetooth keyboard but no wired keyboard
[03:20] <leptone> is there anyway I can pair the bluetooth keyboard before login so that I can login?
[03:20] <leftyfb> leptone: I think you can get to an onscren keyboard using the mouse
[03:21] <leftyfb> phillijw: to be honest, I don't think i'll have the time/focus to continue debugging this tonight. Someone else here might be able to help
[03:21] <leptone> leftyfb: interesting, do you know how to accomplish this?
[03:22] <phillijw> leftyfb: same here. might just reinstall win10 tbh.. wasting too much time on this stuff
[03:22] <leftyfb> leptone: https://i.stack.imgur.com/cFwK7.jpg
[03:25] <Bashing-om> phillijw: I give it a whirl : .. what does the package manager do with ' sudo apt install mesa-vdpau-drivers ' ?
[03:27] <phillijw> Bashing-om: it says its already newest version then says mesa-vdpau-drivers and nvidia-settings has unmet deps (libvdpau1)
[03:28] <phillijw> is there a command I can run to just create pastebins for me? i'll just clear before each command I run lol
[03:29] <Ben64> i'd just keep on uninstalling stuff
[03:29] <phillijw> anything in particular?
[03:30] <Ben64> everything it complains about
[03:31] <Bashing-om> phillijw: Odd there, as we have "  Depends: mesa-vdpau-drivers but it is not going to be installed ' . One can pipe to the termbin site . // What about ' sudo apt install libvdpau1 ' ??
[03:32] <leptone> leftyfb: thanks
[03:32] <jbrown_> anyone wanna brainstorm with me?
[03:32] <leptone> unfortunatly ubuntu isn't recognizing the BT keyboard
[03:32] <phillijw> it let me install libvdpau1
[03:32] <phillijw> i dont know how to pipe to termbin
[03:33] <Ben64> command | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:33] <phillijw> yeah i'll just do that from now on
[03:33] <leftyfb> !ask | jbrown_
[03:33] <jbrown_> what channel/server should i use to chat about home/business virtualization
[03:34] <leftyfb> jbrown_: #virtualization? Or ask in #freenode
[03:34] <phillijw> Bashing-om: Ben64: libvdpau1 isntalled
[03:35] <Bashing-om> phillijw: Now show us ' sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[03:36] <phillijw> I made an alias called tb for termbin btw
[03:36] <leptone> How can I pair a apple bluetooth keyboard with my ubuntu system?
[03:37] <phillijw> http://termbin.com/mvm7
[03:37] <leftyfb> leptone: https://askubuntu.com/questions/767678/pair-apple-wireless-keyboard-3rd-gen-with-ubuntu-16-04/769201
[03:39] <Bashing-om> phillijw: Ungood " http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu wily " checking before we go further .
[03:40] <phillijw> what hte heck is wily? I'm on xenial
[03:41] <phillijw> I might've installed that for setting up ynab+dropbox+wine
[03:41] <Bashing-om> !wily | phillijw
[03:41] <ljetibo> So I recently just upgraded to ubuntu 16.04. Since I made the upgrade it takes ubuntu a long time to shut down. By "long" I mean longer than before and longer than you would expect for an SSD (>30sec <1.5min i.e.). Additionally, just now I had a crash. I turned off the display fn+F7, and it didn't want to turn on again, YT music in the background stopped and it died. I forcefully turned it off by holding power button. During the restart it popped an
[03:41] <ljetibo> error (something Lookup table not found, didn't have time to take a pic) and then repeated to crash again. This is the 3rd restart of my laptop and it seems to have been able to boot into a clean version (no recovery during boot phase performed I suppose). Where can I look to find out more about what went wrong and fix it?
[03:42] <phillijw> well I might not need wily for anything. I don't remember why I have it in there for sure
[03:43] <Bashing-om> phillijw: drop box is supported in xenial : https://linux.dropboxstatic.com/ubuntu/dists/ . Need next to look at that precise source .
[03:47] <phillijw> Bashing-om: ok. Let me know if I need to do something else
[03:47] <danes> hello, has anyone installed ubuntu on a mac using the bootcamp?
[03:50] <sparrowsword> how do i log into my ubuntu core server with a ssh key? trying to use putty... (on a windows machine)
[03:50] <leftyfb> danes: that is not your question
[03:51] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: https://support.softnik.com/tutorials/wmdsed/using-putty.php
[03:52] <danes> leftyfb: not sure what u mean, but here's another one. How do you dualboot ubuntu on mac?
[03:52] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-ssh-keys-with-putty-on-digitalocean-droplets-windows-users
[03:52] <leftyfb> danes: https://www.lifewire.com/dual-boot-linux-and-mac-os-4125733    first result on google btw
[03:52] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: well i created the ssh key using ubuntu from the microsoft store... and i have the file... but idk how to load it into putty
[03:53] <Bashing-om> phillijw: I "think" precise for steam is acceptable (??)- could be I am real wrong . But, " 179 packages can be upgraded. " we need to deal with . termbin ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list : tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' .
[03:53] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-ssh-keys-with-putty-on-digitalocean-droplets-windows-users
[03:53] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: found on google ^
[03:54] <krytarik> leftyfb: If you don't want to give support, then just don't.
[03:54] <leftyfb> krytarik: I'll keep that in mind, thank you.
[04:01] <sparrowsword> whats the password associated with sshing to the ubuntu core?
[04:01] <hanabishi> hello everyone
[04:02] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: why are you using ubuntu core?
[04:02] <phillijw> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/n4up sorry for delay
[04:03] <Bashing-om> phillijw: :)
[04:03] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: does it matter? im just trying to login
[04:04] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: yes, it does. Because ubuntu core is a pretty specific use case which requires reading documentation to get setup
[04:04] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/get-started
[04:04] <sparrowsword> yeah ive read that
[04:05] <sparrowsword> its very unspecific on how to ssh
[04:05] <Bashing-om> phillijw: Yhis far : change the wily " deb [arch=i386,amd64] http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu wily main" to xenial if you are to keep dropbox .
[04:05] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: did you setup your Ubuntu SSO account with ssh key as the documentation specifies as step 1?
[04:05] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: yes
[04:06] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: its just sitting at the screen on the pi that says heres how to login ssh username@10.0.0.x
[04:06] <sparrowsword> and some encryption types, but it asks for a password when i try to ssh, and idk it
[04:06] <leftyfb> ok, and are you using the ssh key you setup on SSO to login?
[04:06] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: is it the password that is associated with the ssh key? isnt that kind of pointless
[04:06] <sparrowsword> yes
[04:07] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: there is no password
[04:07] <sparrowsword> i tried enter as well, says invalid
[04:07] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: you need to use the ssh key to login
[04:07] <sparrowsword> or permission denied
[04:07] <phillijw> Bashing-om: done
[04:07] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: so ssh on a powershell wont connect? thought it asks for a fingerprint though
[04:07] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: what username are you using to login?
[04:07] <sparrowsword> the one i created leftyfb:
[04:08] <sparrowsword> sparrowsword
[04:08] <leftyfb> the one you created where?
[04:08] <Bashing-om> phillijw: Is /etc/apt/sources.list sane ? do we need to check ?
[04:08] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: think it asks for a username when core first starts
[04:08] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/get-started/raspberry-pi-2-3    look at "User login" on thaat page
[04:09] <phillijw> Bashing-om: I think its okay. Everything is xenial or xenial-backports pretty much
[04:09] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: will you be using ubuntu core to develop your own snaps?
[04:10] <Bashing-om> phillijw: K, lets ssee what is what then ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[04:10] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: havent really researched core tbh, just wanted pi to run a ubuntu server
[04:10] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: you are better off installing ubuntu mate
[04:11] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: ubuntu core is not ubuntu server
[04:11] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: isnt that a desktop tho?
[04:11] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: remove the desktop aspects
[04:11] <sparrowsword> all i need is a terminal tbh..
[04:11] <Bashing-om> Apachez: No, core also has no GUI bt default .
[04:12] <Bashing-om> by*
[04:12] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: so you don't need the ability to install packages?
[04:13] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: well that is the idea
[04:13] <sparrowsword> to install
[04:13] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: then ubuntu core isn't what you're looking for
[04:13] <leftyfb> sparrowsword: it's not what you think
[04:13] <sparrowsword> leftyfb: i understand
[04:17] <phillijw> Bashing-om: success I think
[04:19] <phillijw> now I don't rmember what I was originally trying to do
[04:19] <Bashing-om> phillijw: What now returns ' sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C ' ?
[04:19] <leftyfb> nvidia drivers
[04:20] <phillijw> oh I was actually trying to install some bios updating software (cmd prompt thing?) so I could update my bios so that I could run my videocard for the drivers that weren't working lol
[04:21] <phillijw> Bashing-om: those commands completed successfully <3
[04:21] <phillijw> also ran autoremove just for fun and that worekd too
[04:21] <phillijw> so basically old documentation on the internet is wahts causing all my woes :*(
[04:21] <phillijw> ok, so... now I should install the updated nvidia drivers for the gtx 960
[04:21] <jusss> what is plymouthd ? it always crash when I boot my system, can I just remove that?
[04:22] <leftyfb> phillijw: you should just try installing nvidia-384 before messing with bios updates that you think will make your video card work better
[04:22] <jusss> or can I use some parameter on grub commanline to disable it?
[04:22] <Bashing-om> phillijw: :) .. now for a driver insall show us : lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' .
[04:22] <phillijw> leftyfb: i'm 99% sure I also need a bios update because this computer BARELY started before it even got to the OS. It was going really slow which is a known issue for my bios I guess. I'll see though
[04:22] <jusss> hello?
[04:23] <phillijw> fyi, I don't actually have hte card installed right now. I'm running on Intel onboard video
[04:23] <phillijw> jusss: https://askubuntu.com/questions/407131/why-is-plymouthd-crashing-on-startup
[04:24] <phillijw> i'm not saying you should follow those instructions but thats what it is
[04:24] <Bashing-om> phillijw: wait then .. install the card and let dmks do it's job .
[04:25] <jusss> phillijw: if it is ok I use apt purge plymouthd?
[04:25] <phillijw> Bashing-om: ok, will do
[04:25] <phillijw> I would like to update my bios though. I have foxconn b75m but it only has EXE it seems http://www.foxconnchannel.com/ProductDetail.aspx?T=motherboard&U=en-us0000586
[04:26] <phillijw> is xdosemu the way to run the bios update? i'm scared
[04:27] <phillijw> leftyfb: Bashing-om: thank you for the help btw
[04:29] <Bashing-om> phillijw: Glad2help .. The only way I am aware of to update bios is from a DOS environment .
[04:52] <WorldGenesis[v]> so, not sure what happened, but I installed MATE over the Unity desktop, and MATE became the default environment?
[04:52] <WorldGenesis[v]> without any sort of configuration changes from the desktop manager o_0
[05:09] <jayjo> what's the most robust way to run a python program all the time on a server? Should I use systemd or screen? I'm on ubuntu 16.04LTS
[06:18] <Guest13635> hello
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> Guest13635: welcome, how can we help you?
[06:25] <Apachez> Bashing-om: ?
[06:26] <Bashing-om> Apachez: Sorry .,. bad higlight :(
[07:21] <Rar9> HI need some help to fix this new problem when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y on my ubuntu plesk install.
[07:22] <Rar9> ERROR: W:The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., E:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-kernel-team/pti/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found, E:Some
[07:22] <Rar9> index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:23] <Rar9> any idea what is wrong. Can i fix this ba removeing the line in the sources.list?
[07:24] <guiverc> i get a 404 on my browser - so yes its a sources.list issue (I'd suggest just finding the line and commenting it out; ie. a # at start of the line, maybe a "#prior line commented out due error 2018-03-.."
[07:25] <Rar9> guiverc, my worry is what effet will this have as it used to work for a long time ....
[07:26] <guiverc> why did you add it? when etc?  (the reason I put the date/comment in my example is then you have doco/details in future)
[07:27] <guiverc> inc. where was the documentation/article that said to add it  (why is key)
[07:27] <Rar9> goot to know, but nox its all a mees and i currentlydont knwo what it it and what it does
[07:28] <Rar9> when removed what might is loose (except fixing error)???
[07:29] <guiverc> actually you don't have to edit file manually; you can go and unclick it in software-sources - have a look there first please..
[07:29] <Rar9> its a server ... no gui
[07:30] <guiverc> i haven't used it, so don't know why or effects of its removal.  I'd look and hope there is documentation (when, why, maybe who) by whoever added it..
[07:31] <Rar9> from the error message .. it should be 2 thing that are in error ... right?
[07:32] <guiverc> most are W: WARNINGS which are a different issue.  I looked up only the ppa it reported as 404 err.
[07:33] <Rar9> ??? how?  link is not opeing
[07:33]  * guiverc copying text into text.editor so hopefully i can read better the messages
[07:37] <guiverc> Rar9, the normal fix for removing a ppa is `ppa-purge`, but as I don't know it, or effects I'd be unwilling to do it...  (esp. if production, and not test)
[07:37] <Rar9> i just running sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[07:39] <Rar9> did something , but not fix the apt-get update error
[07:40] <guiverc> Rar9, dist-upgrade won't.. only a ppa-purge (the command I'd be unwilling to do in your case), or commenting out line may
[07:41] <shangul> Hi, any PPA to get more games?something stable, other than playdeb
[07:41] <Rar9> guiverc - its been 3 days now that apt-get update is not working anymore. :-(
[07:41] <Rar9> i habe now idea where to start.
[07:42] <Rar9> where do i find this line  as i dont see it in source list.
[07:42] <guiverc> Rar9, i'm sorry but you need better advice than i can give.  either wait, or try again later
[07:42] <ducasse> Rar9: can you pastebin the complete output?
[07:43] <z3dm4n> hi guys. are the bionic beta install images already released?
[07:43] <ducasse> !bionic | z3dm4n
[07:44] <z3dm4n> does that mean i should ask in #ubuntu+1?
[07:46] <converse> Hey guys, can you help me solve this problem: http://dpaste.com/2NSFBXT
[07:47] <ducasse> z3dm4n: yes
[07:48] <ducasse> Rar9: looks like that ppa no longer exists
[07:48] <Rar9> yes thats what the message says, but how to fix it?... WHere?
[07:49] <Rar9> and what did it do ?
[07:49] <z3dm4n> aye,aye!
[07:50] <ducasse> Rar9: i'm guessing it was for distributing kernels with the pti patches before they were included in the default kernels, you can most likely just purge it
[07:50] <Rar9> hmm. that could be :-)
[07:51] <ducasse> Rar9: (and please don't pm, keep it in the channel)
[07:51] <Rar9> that was 3 months ago
[07:52] <Rar9> but i currentl ante to just manual uncomment these lines..... but where would that be located?
[07:52] <ducasse> somewhere in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, i guess
[07:57] <Rar9> i now uncommneted the line @  canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-pti-xenial.list
[07:59] <Rar9> ok.  looks like its working ...   THANKS
[08:06] <homey> Anyone know how to resolev libglademm-2.4-dev on 16.04? When I try to insall it says Depends: libglade2-dev (>= 1:2.6.1) but it is not going to be installed
[08:08] <guiverc> homey, do you have 'universe' enabled  (from https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libglademm-2.4-dev)
[08:09] <homey> @guiverc, yes, main, universe restrictedd multiverse
[08:09] <guiverc> what version of ubuntu?  (the page says all supported releases have 2.6.7 available)
[08:10] <homey> 16.04.2
[08:10] <meteorx> j
[08:13] <homey> guiverc Occasionally apt says I have broken packages but apt install -f doesn't seem to repair anything (as people suggest.)
[08:14] <ducasse> homey: why not 16.04.4? have you done 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade' lately?
[08:15] <homey> ducasse: locked to .2 for work at the moment.
[08:16] <Ben64> that doesn't make any sense
[08:16] <homey> nor does it explain why the install fails.
[08:17] <Ben64> if you're limiting your system's updates it does
[08:18] <homey> Ben64: libglademm-2.4-dev : Depends: libglade2-dev (>= 1:2.6.1) but it is not going to be installed
[08:19]  * guiverc sorry i got called away; thanks Ben64 ducasse 
[08:19] <homey> I'm just curious what cause this behavior...
[08:19] <Ben64> do 'apt update && apt full-upgrade' then try
[08:20] <ducasse> can you pastebin output of 'apt policy libglade2-dev'?
[08:20] <homey> can't, might break my production stack, unfortuanetly
[08:20] <Ben64> it won't
[08:20] <EriC^^> that just queries information
[08:20] <homey> can't risk it, but thanks
[08:20] <Ben64> one of the good things about ubuntu, and LTS in particular, is that version numbers don't change
[08:20] <homey> I was referring to the upgrade not the query
[08:21] <Ben64> ignoring updates based on paranoia only causes more problems
[08:21] <homey> Understood, but also out of my hands... have to work around...
[08:22] <jayjo> I'm trying to robustly run a python program on a server ... is `upstart` the preferred method for this?
[08:22] <Ben64> tell whoever's hands its in that you need an updated system
[08:22] <EriC^^> jayjo: which ubuntu version are you using?
[08:23] <homey> ducasse: Candidate: 1:2.6.4-2
[08:23] <jayjo> 16.04 LTS server
[08:23] <Ben64> homey: pastebin 'sudo apt update && apt list --upgradable'
[08:23] <EriC^^> !systemd | jayjo give this a a go
[08:24] <jayjo> EriC^^: thanks, I appreciate it
[08:25] <EriC^^> jayjo: no problem
[08:26] <bladea> ciao
[08:26] <bladea> !list
[08:27] <jayjo> what did bladea just attempt?
[08:28] <jayjo> what was s/he trying with "!list"? Is that an irc default command?
[08:29] <homey> Ben64: My mistake, am on 16.04, guess they upgraded recently.
[08:30] <homey> Sorry, 16.04.4
[08:32] <MeaCulpa> can someone tell me how to make a program display it's icon rather than a question mark in the launcher on 16.04 please
[08:33] <MeaCulpa> I've edited the *.desktop file with the correct location of the icon but still not working
[08:34] <MeaCulpa> and the app is installed in /opt
[08:34] <luka_33> opt generally requires elevated privledges unless I'm an idiot
[08:34] <MeaCulpa> I'm an idiot with elevated priveledges :)
[08:35] <luka_33> :P
[08:35] <MeaCulpa> *priviledges
[08:35] <luka_33> Describes most sysadmins
[08:35] <MeaCulpa> haha
[08:35] <MeaCulpa> not hard to qualify as sysadmin at home
[08:36] <MeaCulpa> CEO even
[08:36] <Gargoyle> I think there's a .desktop cache or something isn't there?
[08:36] <MeaCulpa> do I have to ln -s the desktop file
[08:36] <luka_33> Try restarting X
[08:36] <luka_33> lul
[08:36] <luka_33> it's  worth a shot
[08:36] <bwood> What is the best way to theme Ubuntu?  i'd like to change the windows to osmething else.
[08:36] <MeaCulpa> I've put the *desktop file in usr/share/applications
[08:37] <MeaCulpa> bwood I think settings> display> appearance
[08:38] <MeaCulpa> via the little gear wheel at top right
[08:39] <bwood> looking
[08:39] <luka_33> Can you even rice ubuntu?
[08:39] <luka_33> Fuck it's been years since I installed it
[08:39] <ikonia> luka_33: stop the language
[08:39] <ikonia> luka_33: this is a polite channel
[08:40] <bwood> MeaCulpa Nah nothing like that showing here
[08:40] <luka_33> My bad mate
[08:40] <MeaCulpa> let me look
[08:40] <Gargoyle> MeaCulpa: When I change .desktop entries in /usr/share/applications, it normally has immediate effect. Did you move the file there or copy it in-place?
[08:41] <Gargoyle> s/copy/edit
[08:41] <MeaCulpa> I moved it there, maybe I need to chmod it
[08:41] <Gargoyle> Dunno where my brain is this morning!
[08:41] <Gargoyle> Yeah, check the permissions and ownership and also "touch" it so that it gets a fresh timestamp.
[08:41] <MeaCulpa> my brain if fried atm
[08:42] <MeaCulpa> will give it a go thanks Gargoyle
[08:42] <ducasse> is there a .desktop file overriding it in ~/.local/share/applications?
[08:42] <MeaCulpa> is it chmod 755
[08:43] <MeaCulpa> Not as far as I know
[08:43] <MeaCulpa> there's one there with a .bak extension
[08:43] <Gargoyle> Don't think they need execute. 0644 would be fine. All mine are owned by root:root
[08:43] <MeaCulpa> maybe I'll delete them and start again
[08:47] <Sterist> how long would it take to set up a Wi-Fi <--> LAN tunnel, and would the connected device still have internet access if the Wi-Fi had a VPN on?
[08:47] <ikonia> what's a wifi_>lan tunnel ?
[08:47] <Sterist> without manual reconfiguration
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> Sterist: perhaps more a question for ##networking?
[08:48] <Sterist> that is a possibility, but, it is done on Ubuntu, so either way :)
[08:48] <ikonia> not really
[08:48] <ikonia> it's networking and routing
[08:48] <ikonia> although I don't know what you mean to wifi -> lan tunnel
[08:49] <Sterist> I don't know what it is, but, it is X Y Z lol okay man
[08:49] <ikonia> what ?
[08:49] <ikonia> you've just asked how long it takes to set it up, but you don't know what it is ?
[08:49] <ikonia> then you quote X Y Z ?
[08:57] <rfv> Hey guys, having a bit of a hard time with the drivers for a wireless network adapter (BCM4352 14e4:43b1 rev 03) which seems to no longer be supported by bcmwl-kernel-source 6.30.223.271 Nothing from what I tried really works - any ideas?
[09:07] <MeaCulpa> beginning to think the guys that wrote sublime text are really keen on me registering it before my icon works ;)
[09:08] <MeaCulpa> more haste less speed my grandma used to say :)
[09:09] <Guest16590> MeaCulpa, :)
[09:10] <leshaste> MeaCulpa, were you a drug addict?
[09:10] <leshaste> I mean, is that why she used to say that?
[09:10] <MeaCulpa> what do you mean 'were' :P
[09:10] <bazhang> !ot | MeaCulpa leshaste
[09:11] <bazhang> lets stay topical here please
[09:11] <MeaCulpa> ok
[09:11] <leshaste> trump? (ducks and promises not to do it again)
[09:11] <MeaCulpa> sorry
[09:11] <leshaste> me too
[09:13] <MeaCulpa> I have read the guidelines and they refer to not using bad language but nothing about only speaking of ubuntu... no offence
[09:14] <bazhang> this is strictly support only channel MeaCulpa
[09:14] <MeaCulpa> I thought that meant only no questions about other topics
[09:14] <MeaCulpa> ok fair enough
[09:26] <BitByBit> Goodmorning, Is there someone skilled on using QmiCli library and settingup cdc-wdm interface?
[09:42] <BenceF> hi we have the issue of the sidebar / menubar not showing on recent 16.04
[09:42] <BenceF> it is present with a new user as well, so not userconfig related
[09:42] <BenceF> can someone point me to a forum, or ticket?
[09:43] <BenceF> forum posts I've found so far recommend changing / purging user-specific config files
[09:43] <guiverc> BenceF, if someone in this room is able to answer your question they will (be patient please). there are other ubuntu help forums available as alternatives though..
[09:44] <BenceF> ok. I just wanted to give context
[09:45] <gary-wzl77>  /chat stub
[09:49] <guiverc> BenceF, it can also be people are busy, working, sleeping, in different timezones so you can always try again later...
[09:52] <SimonNL> BenceF: add a panel then set that one to default settings or so maybe .
[09:53] <BenceF> SimonNL: I think gnome session doesn't start properly: there is a right click menu, but windows are not resizable
[10:15] <khyrthy> is Mx Linux a Ubunutu -based O.S ?
[10:17] <akik> khyrthy: no, debian: https://mxlinux.org/products
[10:19] <khyrthy> thanks
[10:36] <ren0v0> Hi, my mouse upon hovering unit icons keeps changing the active window
[10:36] <ren0v0> Only started an hour ago, is there something i could have accidently turned on?
[10:37] <EriC^^> ren0v0: which de are you using?
[10:37] <ren0v0> de = version?   16.04.4
[10:38] <ren0v0> desktop environment?, its stock
[10:38] <EriC^^> de = unity
[10:38] <ren0v0> yea
[10:38] <ren0v0> also in browser if i open more than 1 tab, i can't select any other as it switches back to the last one :/
[10:39] <ren0v0> omg this is driving me mad! :D
[10:40] <BenceF> seems like mouse5 or, whatever scroll down is, stuck
[10:41] <EriC^^> ren0v0: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:41] <EriC^^> ren0v0: type 'ccsm' in a terminal and go to general options > focus & raise behavior
[10:41] <ren0v0> i can't select the tab!
[10:42] <EriC^^> use the keyboard
[10:42] <ren0v0> any keyboard shortcut to change the tab?
[10:42] <EriC^^> press tab until General is selected then use the arrow keys
[10:42] <EriC^^> you want these settings https://imgur.com/a/zfjDE
[10:43] <ren0v0> ok there
[10:43] <EriC^^> resetting compiz might help, "dconf reset -f /org/compiz"
[10:43] <ren0v0> yea its the same
[10:43] <EriC^^> or deleting ~/.compiz and ~/.config/compiz-1
[10:44] <ren0v0> done, let me logout
[10:44] <ren0v0> in case
[10:44] <ren0v0> no cigar
[10:44] <ren0v0> let me try another mouse
[10:45] <ren0v0> nope, not mouse either, wtf
[10:46] <BenceF> is it a laptop? (is there a touchpad)
[10:46] <ren0v0> BenceF, i think you're right about the scroll
[10:46] <ren0v0> no its desktop
[10:46] <ren0v0> when i try and hold scrollbar, its moving down
[10:47] <BenceF> ls /dev/input/mouse*
[10:47] <ren0v0>  /dev/input/mouse0
[10:47] <ren0v0> BenceF, i really need to run out, but if you're here in an hour or so i'll ping you if you don't mind
[10:48] <BenceF> i'm only online cause I'm trying to solve an issue as well :) so no promises, but if I'm still here, feel free to ping me
[10:51] <guiverc> BenceF, it's awhile (~hour) so its ok to ask your question again when its quiet
[10:52] <guiverc> (been awhile)..
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:00] <shangul> Bye folks
[11:00] <shivam887> hey
[11:01] <shivam887> i am having errors while installing ubuntu based distros
[11:01] <shivam887> installation step failed
[11:02] <guiverc> shivam887, what distro?
[11:03] <shivam887> Linux Mint
[11:03] <shivam887> or any other based on Ubuntu
[11:03] <shivam887> like Elementary
[11:03] <BluesKaj> !mint
[11:03] <guiverc> Linux Mint is not Ubuntu, and off-topic in this room. We cover Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu-mate...
[11:03] <shivam887> it is
[11:03] <shivam887> based on ubuntu
[11:04] <BluesKaj> shivam887, but not supported by ubuntu
[11:04] <guiverc> ask in a mint forum, mint support chat room etc
[11:04] <shivam887> thanks
[11:04] <shivam887> but ubuntu is not installing either
[11:19] <neure> Can I use chroot to have older release version of ubuntu inside a newer version?
[11:19] <neure> basically I'ld like newer ubuntu GUI but some things require older release
[11:19] <shivam887> neure: yes but with live usb
[11:20] <neure> that is not the same
[11:20] <neure> i was specifically asking if it is possible with chroot alone
[11:20] <shivam887> no
[11:20] <shivam887> u can't
[11:20] <SwedeMike> neure: not easily and in a generic fashion, no.
[11:21] <neure> :(
[11:21] <matti> neure: Depends what do you want to do with it.
[11:21] <EriC^^> neure: do you need the older kernel too?
[11:22] <matti> neure: If you envisioned to have a "running older Ubutnu from the chroot", then not quite.
[11:22] <matti> neure: But, you can totally have a VM. :)
[11:22] <matti> neure: KVM, VirtualBox, etc.
[11:22] <neure> matti all i need is 16.04 command line environment
[11:22] <shivam887> you can , in Virtual Box
[11:22] <EriC^^> neure: install 16.04 on a separate partition and chroot to it
[11:22] <matti> neure: Oh, in this case... as long as your file system inside chroot is sane, then it would be fine.
[11:23] <matti> EriC^^: Why? He can debbootstrap to a chroot :)
[11:23] <matti> Or even just rsync things over.
[11:23] <shivam887> matti: yes
[11:23] <matti> I know.
[11:23] <matti> :)
[11:24] <Ben64> what doesn't work on "a newer version" that works on 16.04?
[11:24] <neure> certificates
[11:24] <Ben64> that's not accurate
[11:24] <matti> Certificates?
[11:24] <matti> What do you mean?
[11:24] <matti> Are you missing a CA?
[11:25] <neure> 16.04 gives warning on some weak certificates, while 17.10 gives error
[11:25] <matti> neure: I think, you might be solving this problem the wrong way :)
[11:25] <Ben64> very likely
[11:25] <matti> neure: My spider sense is telling me this.
[11:25] <neure> it is not in my power to fix those certificates
[11:25] <neure> they really are broken, and I cannot get them fixes
[11:25] <shivam887> matti, Lol
[11:25] <Ben64> you should explain the actual problem more thoroughly
[11:25] <neure> I am trying, but it does not seem to make much progress
[11:26] <JediMaster> hi, how can I restore the original /etc/ssh/sshd_config file? I've tried deleting it and then apt --reinstall install openssh-server but it doesn't add the default config, also dpkg -S /etc/ssh/sshd_config doesn't find the package it belongs to
[11:27] <neure> sudo add-apt-repository fails because certificate is rejected in 17.10, plus I cannot get those certificates fixed
[11:28] <matti> JediMaster: I'd use the force :)
[11:28] <JediMaster> Tried that, didn't help
[11:28] <neure> i dont know if there is a way to tell add-apt-repository to ignore the fact the certificate is not up to todays standards
[11:28] <mancman3> u changed sshd without backing up a copy>?
[11:29] <Ben64> neure: ideally you wouldn't use a repository with a weak cypher
[11:29] <neure> that is not in my power
[11:29] <Ben64> you could just grab the packages and install them yourself if you want
[11:29] <JediMaster> mancman3, afraid so, Chef overwrote it, and running 18.04 beta something has changed in the ciphers that stops it from starting now
[11:29] <matti> JediMaster: Oh! Chef?
[11:29] <matti> JediMaster: You might have it in the cache deirectory.
[11:30] <neure> Ben64, that is probably best workaround for now
[11:30] <matti> JediMaster: If you used the file resource or template, then Chef would back up the old one.
[11:30] <matti> JediMaster: Unless you have a non-standard setup
[11:30] <JediMaster> yeah, it's a template
[11:30] <JediMaster> matti, where does it back them up to? I thought I remembered it doing that
[11:31] <matti> JediMaster: It might /var/chef/cache or /var/cache/chef
[11:31] <matti> JediMaster: It should be easy to find ;)
[11:31] <matti> JediMaster: You can also print the `Chef::Config[:file_cache_path]`.
[11:32] <JediMaster> matti, /var/chef/backup/etc/ssh/sshd_config.chef-....
[11:32] <matti> JediMaster: So, got it?
[11:32] <matti> JediMaster: Does it look right?
[11:33] <JediMaster> Yup, thanks, still odd that reinstalling the package doesn't regen the config
[11:33] <Ben64> probably have to purge and install
[11:33] <Ben64> or dpkg-reconfigure
[11:33] <JediMaster> dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work as the package is broken as it won't start
[11:34] <Ben64> neat
[11:34] <JediMaster> yeah, helpful =)
[11:34] <Ben64> remember to make a backup before messing with things :D
[11:34] <JediMaster> Ben64, Chef did it, also made a backup it turns out
[11:35] <Ben64> idk what chef is
[11:36] <JediMaster> it's a system to programmatically configure servers, can be applied to many machines
[11:36] <JediMaster> bit like puppet
[11:36] <matti> Ben64, JediMaster: The challenge here is - /etc/ssh/sshd_config is generated through the postinst script during package installation.
[11:36] <matti> JediMaster: You could do apt-get download openssh-server, then unpack it with ar x ..., then unpack control.tar.gz
[11:36] <JediMaster> matti, right, and it's postinst that fails as it can't start the service as the ciphers have changed in the last few days on bionic
[11:37] <OlofL> How do I completely reset gnome online accounts?
[11:37] <matti> JediMaster: And then try to see how it is generated.
[11:37] <shivam887> by deleting its config files
[11:37] <matti> But that would be a mission.
[11:37] <shivam887> or apt-get purge gnome-online-accounts.*
[11:37] <JediMaster> matti, yeah, I've delved into postinst scripts in packages before
[11:37] <matti> JediMaster: Ah, so you have incompatible ciphers causing it to fail?
[11:37] <shivam887> OlofL: run this in terminal
[11:38] <JediMaster> matti, yes, it won't tell me which though
[11:38] <matti> JediMaster: The post* pre* et al scripts are also on the file system, where Apt/dpkg finds them, so you could find one and chuck "exit 0" at the top.
[11:38] <JediMaster> matti, and I'm doing this all over SSH with SSH currently down, luckily it doesn't kill off existing sessions =)
[11:38] <matti> JediMaster: As you probably know, none of this is a rocket science :)
[11:39] <matti> JediMaster: Oh yeah, don't cut yourself off ;)
[11:39] <JediMaster> it's all fun
[11:39] <matti> The good thing is.
[11:39] <shivam887> ?
[11:39] <matti> I you have Chef client run on a regular intervals.
[11:40] <matti> You can just always fix it.
[11:40] <matti> And wait.
[11:40] <matti> Since the configuration file and sshd could be restarted every time Chef client converges.
[11:40] <JediMaster> Yes, true, just comment out the ciphers line and it should bring SSH back up
[11:40] <matti> So it's not all that bad.
[11:40] <shivam887> JediMaster,  YEs
[11:40] <OlofL> shivam887: and then just install gnome-online-accounts.* ?
[11:40] <JediMaster> Chef is magical, love it
[11:41] <matti> Haha
[11:41] <shivam887> OlofL: YES
[11:41] <matti> Glad you like it. I used to work for Chef, Inc. :)
[11:41] <shivam887> apt install gnome-online-accounts
[11:41] <JediMaster> about 4 months of programming it but now have a load of servers on it
[11:41] <shivam887> oh
[11:41] <JediMaster> matti, ah nice, yes, it's so good for maintaining large amounts of servers
[11:41] <shivam887> yes
[11:41] <shivam887> <3
[11:42] <matti> JediMaster: Helps with not having to do it manually :)
[11:43] <matti> JediMaster: Also, to avoid breaking your servers.
[11:43] <matti> JediMaster: Give Test-Kitchen a go.
[11:43] <matti> JediMaster: With either VirtualBox or Docker (lxc too?) driver.
[11:43] <JediMaster> matti, yeah, that's on my list of things to try, thanks
[11:44] <matti> JediMaster: Helps a lot to get you going with testing, etc.
[11:44] <JediMaster> It was all good until a bionic beta update stopped support for one of the ciphers
[11:44] <matti> JediMaster: Also, there is #chef and #kitchenci if you need a hand :)
[11:44] <Baga> hello
[11:45] <Baga> :)
[11:45] <matti> Hello.
[11:45] <JediMaster> matti, found a flaw in that chef fix approach, the service is configured before the template for sshd_config, so it tries to start SSH and fails before it writes the config, duh
[11:45] <matti> JediMaster: That sounds indeed like a bug. But check if the service has `action :nothing`, as it might well be that template triggers reload of sshd.
[11:47] <JediMaster> I've written virtually all of my own recipes, it's probably my fault for specifying the service before the template for the config file
[11:48] <matti> JediMaster: :)
[11:48] <matti> JediMaster: *cough* *cough* Test-Kitchen :P
[11:48] <JediMaster> matti, yeah just swapping the template and service around works, now to figure out which cipher is breaking SSH
[11:49] <JediMaster> matti, it normally just works as the base server template has SSH already installed as Chef is boot-loaded via SSH
[11:49] <JediMaster> *boot-strapped
[11:56] <OlofL> shivam887: it seems like it didnt reset my online accounts. calendar and evolution and geary email still somehow remembers the accounts. even after boot
[11:57] <shivam887> did you delete the config files
[11:57] <shivam887> delete the config files of  calendar and evolution and geary email too
[11:58] <shivam887> then reboot
[11:59] <matti> Reboot?
[12:01] <elfranne> trying to apply file descriptor limit by making a conf file in /etc/security/limits.d/ but the default values are still used (even after a reboot)... where can i start lookin?
[12:01] <cbit> hi guys! Is there any way to remove the display delay of the alt-tab switcher (Ubuntu 17.10, Gnome) ?
[12:01] <JediMaster> matti, thanks for the help
[12:02] <shivam887> matti : restart
[12:02] <matti> JediMaster: No worries :)
[12:06] <homey> I am working on an apt-mirror of a few diferent projects and am seeing lots of unmet dependencies along the line of "this depency will not be met." Any idea how to debug this issue?
[12:07] <adalbert> elfranne: man setrlimit ?
[12:07] <shivam887> homey : yes
[12:07] <shivam887> just type "apt install -f"
[12:08] <_nedR> hello, i am on ubuntu 14.04, i am getting very crappy performance on my laptop nvidia gt 620m(i mean even crappier than i am supposed to be getting) eg : i am getting 30-40fps on cs1.6 which is actually worse than the intel integrated..
[12:08] <shivam887> homey : or a command that shows in last when unmet dependencies error is showing
[12:08] <guiverc> I would pick an example, then look at what the distro came with, eg. if installing vim and it wanted vim-common, I'd look at https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vim-common
[12:08] <shivam887> _nedR : LOL
[12:08] <homey> shivam887: Have tried that and many of teh other common fixes dpkg-configure, etc. Still broken. I guess I'm wondering how I could have ended up in thi situation in the frist place.
[12:09] <shivam887> homey: try changing mirrors
[12:09] <guiverc> (to see what versions should be there, then to see if mirror has issues, or ...)
[12:09] <shivam887> homey: send your sysinfo
[12:10] <_nedR> so i look at additional drivers, and see i am still on nvidia 340.102 but there is an option for 384.111... can i change my driver to that without ubuntu self destructing?
[12:11] <OlofL> shivam887: no idea where they exists :(
[12:11] <shivam887> homey : type "/sysinfo"
[12:11] <homey> shivam887: I don't quite follow. You mean try changi from my local mirror to, say, archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:11] <shivam887> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: Pentium(R) Dual-Core  CPU      E5700  @ 3.00GHz (1.45GHz) • Memory: 1.9 GiB Total (857.8 MiB Free) • Storage: 149.4 GB / 236.0 GB (86.6 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1h 21m 0s
[12:12] <shivam887> homey : yes
[12:15] <Karoldaman> eae gringaiada
[12:15] <homey> shivam887: So after I change mirror, apt update, and see if it resolves my dep problems?
[12:16] <shivam887> homey : yes
[12:18] <sveinse> In 17.10, how can I lock gnome shell to use the same screen configuration as gdm3 is using? My three-display setup is completely fine in gdm3 login, but display goes completely bonkers when I log in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XDgUlVNVn0
[12:18] <sveinse> How can I debug this?
[12:22] <guiverc> homey, sorry I forgot your name, my last two stmts were for you.. sorry
[12:22] <adalbert> sveinse: have you tried with arandr ?
[12:23] <Ranger> ??
[12:23] <Ranger> hello
[12:24] <Guest77> have someone changr
[12:24] <Guest77> ???
[12:24] <homey> guiverc: No worries, trying out a different (non-local) mirror. What kind of problems can one encounter with local apt-mirrors?
[12:24] <Guest77> why my  name change?
[12:24] <Guest77> ???
[12:24] <Guest77> ???
[12:25] <Guest77> why?
[12:25] <sveinse> adalbert: yes, and all of randr, arandr and gnome screen settings are working fine. its just that it goes haywire during login
[12:25] <adalbert> Guest77: cause someone else is using it registered ?
[12:25] <Guest77> ...
[12:25] <Guest77> ....
[12:25] <Guest77> o  i know.
[12:26] <guiverc> homey, i'd hope none, if they have too many probs I'd not use them. My local (isp) mirror has sync issues semi-regularly, where a file gets changed during their sync so the index doesn't match the files -- it gets resolved next sync.. that's all i can think of.
[12:26] <groubas> is this channel for ubuntu server lts also?
[12:27] <guiverc> groubas, yep.
[12:27] <homey> guiverc: OK, thanks. I'm managing my own and not sure if that's what's casuing my package issues. Testing with archive.ubuntu to see if that's it.
[12:28] <guiverc> groubas, you can also try #ubuntu-server
[12:29] <groubas> I want to run qemu or xen on my ubuntu server.. pros and cons on xen and qemu?
[12:30] <pragmaticenigma> groubas, that would be better topic for the room guiverc suggested
[12:30] <groubas> pragmaticenigma: missed that
[12:30] <groubas> sorry
[12:31] <guiverc> homey, sync errors shouldn't exist in theory; there is doco somewhere on the wiki from memory that tells how to avoid sync issues; i can look for it for you (listed mirrors are supposed to use it; my isp doesn't!)
[12:31] <pragmaticenigma> groubas, no worries :-)
[12:31] <guiverc> groubas, my bad for giving it too slowly! sorry.
[12:35] <littlepython> how to configure our own kernel generally?
[12:36] <auronandace> !compile | littlepython
[12:37] <auronandace> !kernel | littlepython
[12:45] <user_> Hi! It's possible to use Gnome Flashback with Mutter window manager instead of Metacity or Compiz?
[12:47] <homey> guiverc: Seems it was a problem with my local mirror. Any thoughts on how I could analyze this?
[12:48] <gerge> Mutter can be used, I do not that. But I don't know how, I don't use Gnome. (source: Gnome wiki)
[12:48] <guiverc> sorry - past my bedtime; you'll have to get help from others unless you try tomorrow.
[12:51] <skishore86> Hi All
[12:52] <skishore86> I have a problem with my ubuntu 16.04
[12:52] <skishore86> no unity, no laucher, unable to minimize and maximize windows..
[12:52] <skishore86> can some one help me in this regard
[12:53] <skishore86> I have followed all the steps given in some forums...
[12:53] <skishore86> but no luck
[12:57] <skishore86> can some one help me
[13:00] <hateball> !patience | skishore86
[13:00] <hateball> skishore86: You have a working login manager tho? Problems arise soon as you login?
[13:01] <hateball> I do not use Unity myself so I dont know if there's some clever way to reset it
[13:01] <BitByBit>  hello to all.. I have problems connecting a UMTS modem to internet with cdc-wdm interface. I get this error when I set the expected date though qmicli but I don't know if is a kernel related issue or a useer domain issue.
[13:09] <littlepython> could someone tell how the Filesystem, Kernel and components interact
[13:15] <BluesKaj> littlepython, we don't normally suggest this , but in your case google is your friend :-)
[13:27] <BuActuallyGosh> How do i install el spotify snap - I need the base program first. On LxQt 10 - if you'd like to loosie for me.
[13:30] <BuActuallyGosh> Can someone WRITE IT DOWN for me, please ?
[13:31] <ikonia> el ?
[13:56] <darkknight80> hello all
[13:56] <_nedR> hello again... i changed my nvidia driver on 14.04 from v 340.102 to 384.111 via additional drivers on my ubuntu 14.04 ( i have a 620m gt gpu)...
[13:56] <_nedR> Everything went well until i used nvidia prime to switch to nvdia graphics from intel.. Then i got the black screen ... i am back on intel now.. but how do i get nvidia to work?
[14:03] <DiogoMConstantin> Hi all
[14:04] <TC`> apt-get update only runs mannualy or it is run out of the box from OS install ?
[14:04] <TC`> without installing unattended-upgrades it doesn't run?
[14:10] <pandaadb> hi - i have been seeing unexplicable cpu problems with any processes. The second I try to do something cpu intesive, the clock speed drops from 2.3-2.8GHz to 300-500 MHz
[14:10] <pandaadb> i can replicate this now by doing maven builds (java) or doing cpp builds
[14:11] <pandaadb> either way, my clock speed drops heavily. I am using `cpufreq-info -c 0 ` for monitoring that
[14:11] <pandaadb> the processes still run, but not reliably and not fast. This has happened before and sometimes a restart fixes that, sometimes not
[14:12] <pandaadb> the last time I needed an over night shutdown for this to go away and fix itself. I am not sure where to begin looking, not even sure what to google for. If anyone has any ideas, please shoot :)
[14:13] <setpill> Hi all, I installed the package debian-archive-keyring on Ubuntu 17.10, but the hash of /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg doesn't match any of the keyrings in the archives downloaded from https://packages.debian.org/{wheezy,jessie,stable}/all/debian-archive-keyring/download
[14:14] <setpill> Does anyone happen to know which version of the debian keyring is in the ubuntu repos for Artsy?
[14:21] <pandaadb> a reboot has fixed it and my cpus jumped back from 350MHz to 3.6 GHz
[14:22] <pandaadb> i tried changing the governors to use p[erformance mode, but that didn't do anything.
[14:43] <jlnl> I´m trying to automount Windows shares when logging on with ads/krb5 credentials upon logging into an Ubuntu 16.04 server. Working: logging in with ads user on ssh, automatically creating homedir /home/$domain/$user. Tried pam_mount with cifs volumes, but could not get it to work.
[15:10] <BillD73> chrome google mainpage has become really unresponsive on my XFCE and 16.04 anyone else notice this?
[15:12] <BillD73> really seems to be only the mainpage, firefox is fine, simply selecting a link it opens and runs nice  only when opening the browser from a launcher to default page
[15:15] <glitchd> chromium-browser FTW
[15:16] <BillD73> glitchd: yes its chromium-browser
[15:17] <gautamS> Yuck
[15:17] <gautamS> google-chrome FTW
[15:18] <zhanglei> ?
[15:19] <zhanglei> hello
[15:19] <zhanglei> ?
[15:19] <Senna> Hello.
[15:19] <gautamS> Hello, zhanglei
[15:20] <gautamS> I just prefer google-chrome because it seems to work better on my system than chromium (which crashes a lot)
[15:20] <zhanglei> ye
[15:20] <gautamS> I'm sure the difference is negligible on a well-configured system
[15:21] <zhanglei> hi gantamS
[15:21] <BillD73> this is completely new this morning
[15:23] <BillD73> even took the time to remove and purge then reinstall and log in  no new extensions  browser opens fine but when I search it takes forever  if I click a link such as http://ubottu.com/y/gl in topic it opens an loads page no problem
[15:24] <zhanglei> gautamS: ?
[15:24] <gautamS> gautamS: Yup?
[15:24] <gautamS> er
[15:24] <gautamS> zhanglei: Yup?
[15:25] <zhanglei> what is this?
[15:25] <zhanglei> chat room?
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | zhanglei
[15:34] <gautamS> It is a humble request to not query to raise a query but simply to ignore the consequences of your query and query
[15:34] <gautamS> Someone needs to write a English obfuscator program
[15:34] <gautamS> an*
[15:35] <kostkon> gautamS, /j #philosophy
[15:47]  * [gnubie] waves
[15:47] <[gnubie]> any suggestion on the best way to get the PID value of the latest coredump from the output of the command “coredumpctl list”?
[16:08] <Senna> Hello, I'm having issues on succesfully opening ports.
[16:09] <SOLDIERz> Hello everyone is there a way to setup keyboard layout when using preseefd file / debian installer?
[16:17] <Martiini> I'm an online kickbag asshole madafakaaa
[16:18] <infnull> hi all, i recently bought a thinkpad t470p with windows 10 preinstalled and i installed ubuntu 16.04.4 on it.  the problem is that the laptop makes annoying noise when it's charging. there is no noise in battery mode. any ideas?
[16:19] <Senna> What kind of noise?
[16:19] <infnull> like a seeking hdd
[16:21] <DuncanT> Ubuntu 16.04: "snap install kotlin –classic" returns "error: cannot install ["kotlin" "–classic"]: snap "kotlin" requires classic confinement" - any way I can tell snap that I'm fine with classic confinement? I thought that was the point of --classic?
[16:21] <infnull> looks like it's related to linux since it doesn't exist when i'm in bios configs
[16:22] <kostkon> DuncanT, sudo snap install kotlin –classic?
[16:23] <kostkon> DuncanT, is it -classic or --classic? hmm
[16:24] <DuncanT> kostkon: You're a genius. Thanks!
[16:24] <infnull> there are some info here but they are old i don't think they apply to a modern kernel http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises
[16:24] <kostkon> DuncanT, np
[16:25]  * DuncanT writes a shell alias that calls him an idiot if he uses -classic rather than --classic since snap doesn't
[16:28] <wolfmoon> by mistake i deleted the  /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf file  and when i open it again its empty? is it a way to restore it?
[16:30] <RedCat27> wolfmoon: does this exist on your computer? /usr/share/dhclient/dhclient.conf.example
[16:33] <wolfmoon> bash: cd: /usr/share/dhclient/: File or catalog doesnt exist and then  bash: cd: /usr/share/dhclient/dhclient.conf.example: File or catalog doesnt exist from the terminal
[16:33] <mattfly> hello
[16:34] <mattfly> ubuntu is not detecting my nvidia GPU not even if i lspci | grep 'VGA" i dont see it
[16:34] <mattfly> i have installed the latest drivers, removed, tried with older ones, nothing
[16:36] <pavlos> wolfmoon: here's my copy ... http://termbin.com/ii3v
[16:36] <mattfly> can anyone help me?
[16:37] <mattfly> lspci | grep -i nvidia
[16:37] <mattfly> 09:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1)
[16:37] <mattfly> but not VGA device
[16:38] <wolfmoon> i just open up  /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf  and paste it into the empty file?
[16:38] <mattfly> if i start x with Nvidia enabled on my settings i get unable to find screen
[16:38] <mattfly> and startx crashes
[16:39] <pavlos> wolfmoon: yes
[16:39] <wolfmoon> what are the  /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf file anyway? what does it do?
[16:40] <pavlos> wolfmoon: asks the dhcp server for parameters as you can see in the top 7 lines, the rest is commented
[16:43] <wolfmoon> ok, thanks for the help
[16:45] <pavlos> mattfly: power off, re-seat the card, reboot. Did you install ubuntu-server or ubuntu-desktop? which release?
[16:45] <mattfly> ubuntu desktop 16.04.3 LTS
[16:45] <mattfly> what is re-seat  ?
[16:45] <mattfly> nvidia-detector returns none
[16:46] <pavlos> mattfly: remove the card, make sure the pcie is clean, connect it again
[16:46] <mattfly> its a notebook
[16:46] <mattfly> laptop*
[16:47] <jpvgn> Hi there, I tried the connect my headhphones bluetooth but connect and not sound
[16:47] <jpvgn> Im reading about change the profile
[16:48] <jpvgn> but when tried change the profile trought blueman said me "Failed to change profile to headset_head_unit"
[16:49] <pavlos> mattfly: does your bios have an option to select the nvidia instead of the cpu-provided gpu?
[16:49] <mattfly> nope
[16:49] <mattfly> i didnt find
[16:51] <pavlos> mattfly: go to additional drivers and see if it offers to install an nvidia driver
[16:51] <mattfly> i am using i3 interface
[16:51] <mattfly> whats the command to open that gui?
[16:55] <pavlos> mattfly: on a terminal, software-properties-gtk and the 4th tab should be addl drivers
[17:13] <faekjarz> Hi, 16.04 LTS Gnome uses Pulseaudio by default, right?
[17:13] <nacc> faekjarz: yes
[17:14] <faekjarz> 👍
[17:16] <azizLIGHT> anyone on 16.04, when you play music, and lock screen, can you change songs (next track/prev track) from the lock screen using media keys on keybvoard?
[17:17] <faekjarz> azizLIGHT: yes, works for me. volume controlls (+/-/x) work too
[17:17] <azizLIGHT> wow niec thank you
[17:17] <faekjarz> azizLIGHT: i'm running gnome
[17:17] <azizLIGHT> great!!
[17:17] <azizLIGHT> i cant do it in 14.04 on unity
[17:17] <azizLIGHT> only volume up/down mute
[17:18] <azizLIGHT> well i hope it still works in 18.04 for when i upgrade
[17:27] <BluesKaj> 585
[17:30] <BluesKaj> oops
[17:35] <nehemiah> I'm preseeding a ubuntu server installation and I want it to install the 'ubuntu-mate-desktop' tasksel. But it seems like that line is totally ignored. Installing it manually after works fine but that kind of defeats the purpose. What am I missing?
[17:36] <nacc> nehemiah: how are you specifing it in your preseed?
[17:37] <nehemiah> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-mate-desktop, print-server
[17:37] <nacc> nehemiah: and how you are doing it after?
[17:38] <nehemiah> sudo tasksel install ubuntu-mate-desktop
[17:42] <nacc> nehemiah: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/apbs04.html B.4.10; i'm not sure if ubuntu-mate-desktop is a preseedable task
[17:43] <nacc> oh wait it is listed on that one
[17:43] <nacc> (sorry wasn't listed on another page i was looking at)
[17:43] <nacc> nehemiah: you could drop to a shell in the installer and see if it installs correctly there?
[17:45] <howudodat_> I'm having a difficulty with pam-mount.  I have enabled logging but I dont see pam-mount even trying to mount (no entries at all in syslog).  auth optoinal pam_mount.so is added to common-auth and common-session by pam-auth-update command.  <debug enable="1" /> and <volume sgrp="CAREPLACEMENT" fstype="cifs" server="192.160.10.10" path="CarePlacement" mountpoint="~/CarePlacement2" options="user=%(DOMAIN_USER),setuids,acl" /> is in pam_
[17:45] <howudodat_> mount.conf.xml
[17:46] <nacc> nehemiah: i'm not sure otherwise, it does appear like it's suppoised to work as you've done it
[18:04] <Jochen_wvdT> 4
[18:07] <Borw3> 4
[18:31] <konrados> Hi. Once again my pc restarted for an unknown reason, I don't know when exactly this happened, but in had to be during the last 2h. What log do I look at to try to determine *why* this happened?
[18:32] <konrados> The dmesg shows only messages *after* it started again, right?
[18:32] <konrados> how do I see what happened exactly *before* it decided to shut down?
[18:32] <konrados> "restart" actually
[18:34] <konrados> test
[18:34] <konrados> var/log/syslog maybe
[18:34] <konrados> ?
[18:36] <tgm4883> konrados: try /var/log/syslog.
[18:36] <tgm4883> konrados: try /var/log/syslog.1
[18:38] <vlt> Hello. An rsync target is 100 % full but the source size has shrunk to only 50 % of that data. How can I tell rsync to delete remote files that are no longer present in source _first_ before trying to copy over new data? I tried --delete-before but still get a disk full error message.
[18:39] <frostschutz> vlt, if it's completely full, you might have to delete something yourself. rsync creates temporary file during transfer, if it can't do that because already full, everything else will fail too
[18:39] <vlt> frostschutz: Ah, ok. Thanks.
[18:49] <jayjo> when I use system service restart nginx (or some similar service) or those systemd commands?
[18:50] <jayjo> and if that's the case, does that mean that using apt-get install <service-name> part of the installation is writing the config files for systemd?
[18:51] <akik> jayjo: systemctl is a systemd command
[18:53] <jayjo> what program is "system service <...>"?
[18:53] <akik> jayjo: apt-get installs systemd service files, yes. in some cases it can also install sysv init files but you can check by package what it installs "dpkg -L nginx"
[18:54] <akik> jayjo: i don't think there's a command called "system"
[18:55] <jayjo> I'm sorry - I meant `service nginx restart` for example
[18:56] <akik> jayjo: service is for sysv init
[18:57] <akik> jayjo: you can check with: dpkg -S `which service`
[18:57] <jayjo> Ok, which is the previous system, right? Now it is systemd? I am reading the channels recommended digital ocean systemcl page, and trying to understand this in the broader picture
[18:58] <akik> jayjo: sysv init -> upstart -> systemd on ubuntu
[18:58] <jayjo> but sysv is still supported and used by most default installations?
[18:59] <jayjo> default installation referring to when I am installing a service. Maybe eventually nginx distibutions would switch to systemd?
[18:59] <akik> jayjo: yes there's compatibility for sysv init on systemd
[19:01] <akik> jayjo: the default for ubuntu has been systemd since 15.04
[19:04] <jayjo> I know this is a vague question... but I've been working on linux for years but have always piecemealed my understanding along the way... is there a definitive or holistic approach to the unix/ubuntu system to get more familiar with the architecture?
[19:07] <jayjo> just read through top questions on unix.stackexchange?
[19:10] <akik> !manual
[19:10] <akik> not sure if that is what you meant
[19:10] <akik> maybe more technical?
[19:11] <jayjo> I was thinking more technical and to understand _why_ things are set up the way they are
[19:12] <jayjo> maybe that's a better question for #linux
[19:12] <akik> jayjo: ubuntu changes from release to release. it's a kind of keeping up with the game
[19:13] <akik> wikipedia page on ubuntu is kind of extensive
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> jayjo, I would start with the ubuntu manual, just for the foudnations of the interfaces. Then you will have some knowledge to go deeper and seek out more detailed specifications. Eventually you will probably get to the point were the release notes are a good way to keep up with all the changes going on.
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> jayjo, there are also several online publications that devote a lot of time and effort in announceing new features and upcoming changes to ubuntu. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ tends to be a popular choice
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> Linux Journal is a good source for all things linux, and what's happening in the linux community and development
[19:27] <jayjo> ok thank you - these are two really good resources
[19:30] <albertoiNET> hi everyone https://i.imgur.com/xUCSHnH.gif
[19:36] <albertoiNET> somebody can help me with this bounty problem on askubuntu?
[19:36] <albertoiNET> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1010405/the-brightness-of-laptop-screen-cannot-be-adjusted-with-either-the-buttons-or-th/1011557
[19:38] <ikonia> bounty problem ?
[19:39] <tomreyn> "This question has an open bounty worth +100 reputation from albertoiNET ending in 3 hours."
[19:40] <ikonia> so basically now IRC is being used to point pepople to fix askubuntu problems
[19:40] <tomreyn> for a good while now
[19:41] <konrados> tgm4883: ok, thanks, so somewhere is the moment my pc crashed for an unknown reason - https://fpaste.ca/5dK.txt
[19:41] <konrados> How do I find this moment?
[19:42] <konrados> and why is there so much info about RTL871X?
[19:42] <konrados> isn't this my network device?
[19:46] <pm_> ok
[19:46] <EriC^^> konrados: yeah it is, it looks like it crashed here maybe Mar  8 18:32:26 konrad rsyslogd-2039: Could not open output pipe '/dev/xconsole':: No such file or directory [v8.16.0 try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[19:47] <konrados> EriC^^: sec...
[19:47] <EriC^^> after that it had a new boot
[19:47] <konrados> sec
[19:48] <konrados> EriC^^: indeed, thanks! But... what does it mean? :)
[19:48] <EriC^^> no idea
[19:49] <EriC^^> do you have a /dev/xconsole right now?
[19:49] <konrados> I don't even know what it is :( I do have a terminal open, yes
[19:50] <konrados> but no, htop says I don't have 'xconsole' open
[19:50] <konrados> as a process
[19:51] <EriC^^> konrados: there's a lot of hard disk smart output going on, might want to run a smart test and have a look at sda and sdb
[19:51] <konrados> EriC^^: ok, thanks! Let me google that
[19:51] <vlt> frostschutz: Unfortunately deleting ~500 MB of data on the target didn’t solve the problem.  rsync copied that amount of data there and now it’s full again.  Size of source: 0.9 TB, size of target 1.6 TB.  Any idea?
[19:51] <EriC^^> konrados: sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
[19:53] <konrados> EriC^^: https://fpaste.ca/7H0.txt should I be worried about the Error xyz occurred at disk power-on lifetime: xyz things?
[19:54] <mifritscher1> moin
[19:54] <mifritscher1> how can I disable the whole framebuffer alltogether in the alternate installer of 16.04? I want to have plain 80x25/80x50 textmode
[19:57] <EriC^^> konrados: no those are fine, the stuff to look for are offline uncorrectable, current pending sector, and reallocated sector ct, 0 0 and 2 for the latter, it means 2 bad sectors have been found and reallocated
[19:57] <EriC^^> so it's starting to go on it's way out, it's still good for now i'd guess
[20:14] <mecotri> What would it take to modify the poweroff restart dialog in Ubuntu 17.10?
[20:15] <mecotri> I would like to add another menu option (reboot to different OS) but I can't figure out how or where to make that change.
[20:15] <ikonia> how do you think that would even work
[20:15] <ikonia> "reboot to different OS"
[20:15] <ikonia> how would you tell ubuntu to pick a different OS ?
[20:16] <ikonia> more so when ubuntu doesn't control the pre-boot environment
[20:16] <mecotri> ikonia: grub-reboot 4
[20:16] <mecotri> ikonia: that part works fine.
[20:16] <ikonia> so you're basically going to call a binary that has hardcoded menu options
[20:17] <mecotri> ikonia: correct.
[20:17] <ikonia> so you'd need to re-write the dialog popup and add a function into the gnome source
[20:17] <seni> hey guys. when I try and use a lm-sensors it tells me it couldnt find any sensors. any ideas? I thought ubuntu was better for lowlevel stuff how can it be this is so easy on windows but ubuntu cant do it?
[20:18] <ikonia> if you're lucky there will already be an "exec" style function rather than an API call or handler
[20:18] <Sven_vB> what's the use of writing an architecture in an apt repo line, ike "deb [arch=amd64] https://…"? wouldn't apt guess the architecture automatically?
[20:18] <ikonia> Sven_vB: some repos contain both
[20:19] <Sven_vB> ikonia, even then, wouldn't apt just get the one that fits best for the machine on which apt is run?
[20:19] <ikonia> no
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> !guidelines | albertoiNET :Please do not Cross Post
[20:19] <ikonia> as some 64bit programs will still need a 32bit lib as a dependency
[20:19] <ikonia> (for example)
[20:20] <Sven_vB> oh. then maybe I generated my apt.sources wrong for xenial 64. should I have put [arch=amd64] in each repo line?
[20:20] <b3h3m0th> I am running a script on tty1 as root and there is another user who was already logged in on tty2. I want to leave my machine until script is complete. How do I lock tty1 so that the user on tty2 when he returns, don't get root shell after the shell script is complete?
[20:21] <Sven_vB> *sources.list
[20:22] <vern> b3h3m0th: I'm not sure there is a way to do what you want to do. best would be to run your script inside screen, detach the screen session, log out, and reattach when you come back
[20:23] <pavlos> b3h3m0th: you could run your script with nohup, eg. "nohup myscript.sh &" and logout. The script will continue running.
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, another option is to run the command in "screen" which will persist after log out
[20:26] <Exagone313> Hi, when you do an install from a live cd (i.e. not ubuntu server or debootstrap), does /etc/fstab contain UUIDs or /dev/sd* paths?
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, "screen -R name script.sh"
[20:26] <Ben64> Exagone313: uuid
[20:26] <b3h3m0th> @people, I am aware of the screen method, I want to know if there is a locking mechanism if script is already started :)
[20:26] <Exagone313> thanks
[20:27] <b3h3m0th> I could login as root at another tty if that would be required
[20:27] <Exagone313> Is it the same for officially supported variants?
[20:27] <b3h3m0th> to perform the lock on tty1
[20:27] <Ben64> should be
[20:27] <Exagone313> (I guess so)
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, explain what you mean by locking?
[20:27] <b3h3m0th> pragmaticenigma: the tty1 should show login prompt, upon successful login, the script execution screen should be shown
[20:27] <b3h3m0th> Like the vlock utility
[20:28] <b3h3m0th> But the vlock only allows locking current tty or all tty.
[20:28] <b3h3m0th> Not arbitrary tty
[20:28] <mecotri> b3h3m0th: Is this a one time thing? Could you detach the running script without stopping it then use screen the next time? https://serverfault.com/questions/34750/is-it-possible-to-detach-a-process-from-its-terminal-or-i-should-have-used-s
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, what you are descriping is exactly what the screen command is for. The ability to start a process, place it in background and lock/logout of the session, but return later and using the name of the screen session restore the outout of the command/script you were running
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, it's also safer as if the process gets out of control, another sysadmin could login and kill the process if needed.
[20:31] <vern> b3h3m0th: if vlock doesn't do what you want (why isn't the current tty the one you want to lock?) I'd say the screen advice is probably your best bet
[20:32] <b3h3m0th> >why isn't the current tty the one you want to lock?
[20:32] <b3h3m0th> Current tty is already running a script. I don't want to kill it now. I have option to login at a new tty and do something to make current tty locked if there is any way to do that
[20:33] <Sven_vB> b3h3m0th, tmux seems to have a nicer architecture than screen. learning to use tmux is on my todo for a long time.
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> so the process is already active b3h3m0th ... so you are looking for a solution after the fact?
[20:34] <vern> Ctrl-Z bg
[20:34] <mecotri> b3h3m0th: Did you read my link? You can detach the script from the current terminal and logout.
[20:35] <konrados> EriC^^: thank you!
[20:36] <vern> or as mecotri suggests: ctrl-z, bg, disown %1
[20:45] <vlt> frostschutz: Turns out the rsync process’s target device is filled with other stuff and --delete-before seems to work perfectly fine. Thank you and sorry for the confusion.
[20:50] <Kumool> can anyone recommend a google drive replacement since there doesnt appear to be an easy way to have it?
[20:52] <MeaCulpa> dropbox is easy kumool a bit clunky
[20:53] <Kumool> mmm, alright
[20:53] <albertoiNET> hi ikonia
[20:53] <albertoiNET> what's up
[20:55] <albertoiNET> pragmaticenigma, hi
[20:55] <b3h3m0th> Can a single "login" process have multiple children?
[20:56] <nacc> albertoiNET: this is not a chat room, please stick to ubuntu support topics
[20:56] <albertoiNET> this is not a support channel?
[20:57] <nacc> albertoiNET: it is, but you seem to be pinging people to say "hi"
[20:57] <MeaCulpa> what is really wrong with that nacc?
[20:57] <rocky> hi
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, login is a session, not a process... you can create sessions within session (like sudo or su does)
[20:57] <b3h3m0th> What do you mean login is not a process?
[20:57] <nacc> MeaCulpa: that is not the purpose of this channel, there are appropriate channels for it
[20:58] <rocky> who else is running on raspi
[20:58] <b3h3m0th> when getty execve's into /usr/bin/login, of course it's a process with the same PID as the getty
[20:58] <b3h3m0th> ex-getty to be accurate
[20:58] <albertoiNET> no. I don't ask people to say "hi". I'm just being cordial.
[20:59] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, I don't understand what you are trying to achieve with this line of questioning
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | albertoiNET
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> !guidelines | albertoiNET
[21:01] <nacc> b3h3m0th: although i don't think login is exec'd anymore by default (at least not directly) it's managed by systemd-logind
[21:01] <b3h3m0th> When I get a tty with getty, I see a username prompt. When I enter my username and hit enter key, it asks for password. And usually, at this stage, getty gets reimaged into login process. Now if I enter the correct password and hit enter key, a shell is spawned as a child to login process if my account has shell enabled. Now my query is, can a particular login process have multiple children?
[21:02] <nacc> b3h3m0th: given the shell is the child, i don't see how
[21:02] <bray90820> anyone here on 16.04 wanna do me a favor and run "rsync --version" and tell me the version number?
[21:02] <nacc> b3h3m0th: but technically speaking i don't think it's impossible, i just don't see how you'd get to that state
[21:02] <nacc> !info rsync xenial | bray90820
[21:02] <b3h3m0th> Yea, it doesn't make sense to me for login to have multiple children, but wondering if there is any scenario I missed.
[21:03] <bray90820> ubottu: is that 16.04
[21:03] <nacc> b3h3m0th: i can't think of one, but i'm not a login expert; you might ask in #linux
[21:03] <bray90820> Ok
[21:03] <nacc> bray90820: xenial is 16.04
[21:03] <b3h3m0th> nacc: You mean ##linux? I thought that was for the kernel.
[21:04] <bray90820> What I wanna know is what version of rsync is on 16.04
[21:04] <nacc> bray90820: yes, and ik just told you?
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> bray90820, that was provided to you with ubottu's response
[21:04] <nacc> bray90820: you can also look on packages.ubuntu.com or any number of other websites taht probably mirror the same info
[21:05] <bray90820> Aaahhh you did tell me my bad
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, ##Linux is freenodes general Linux® support channel. We provide help and support for any Linux® distribution and aim to answer any questions you might have about Linux®. Discussion about the various aspects of Linux® and Free/Open Source software is also encouraged.
[21:06] <albertoiNET> I can't adjust brigthness on my laptop in Ubuntu 17.10. More details in this askubuntu. Thanks: https://askubuntu.com/questions/967046/display-brightness-control-not-working-in-17-10
[21:06] <zteam> Hi! does anybody here know to enable HDR (HDMI Ultra Deep Color) in the Nvidia driver? Ubuntu 17.04 and Nvidia 384.111 ?
[21:07] <nacc> zteam: 17.04 is eol.
[21:07] <pragmaticenigma> albertoiNET, there is already a response to that askubuntu question
[21:08] <zteam> nacc, well.... I did say 17.10 not 17.04.... ;-)
[21:08] <kenrin> Don't lie
[21:09] <nacc> zteam: "Ubuntu 17.04"
[21:10] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, if the feature is not available to you in Nvidia's control center it is either not detected as a compatible setting or isn't supported by the driver.
[21:11] <zteam> nacc, ops. I readed line above what I wrote myself, sorry, anyway, Ubuntu 17.10 not 17.04 was what meant
[21:11] <nacc> zteam: ah ok
[21:11] <b3h3m0th> pragmaticenigma: check something in your /sys/class/backlight/
[21:12] <b3h3m0th> for my Lenovo laptop, I had a writable /sys/class/backlight/ideapad/brightness
[21:13] <zteam> pragmaticenigma, well I don't know at all, but for some features there isn't even a gui :-)
[21:14] <b3h3m0th> oops, that was for albertoiNET:
[21:14] <b3h3m0th>  /sys/class/backlight/
[21:15] <albertoiNET> b3h3m0th, there is ln called acpi_video0
[21:15] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, Nvidia's driver and control center are difficult for us to support. Also, hidden settings and features are hidden because they are not fully tested and likely considered experimental. I stick to the settings that are available in the control panel
[21:16] <b3h3m0th> try modifying the file named "backlight" in it and see if there is a change
[21:16] <b3h3m0th> in brightness
[21:16] <albertoiNET> it doesn't change brightness
[21:17] <b3h3m0th> Do you have a dedicated graphic card?
[21:18] <albertoiNET> yes, only one card
[21:18] <albertoiNET> a nVidia GeForce GTX 1060
[21:18] <b3h3m0th> Ah
[21:18] <b3h3m0th> did you install driver for that?
[21:18] <albertoiNET> yes
[21:18] <albertoiNET> nvidia 390
[21:18] <b3h3m0th> then you might probably want to set the grub parameter as specified in the SO answer
[21:19] <b3h3m0th> instead of vendor, probably nvidia
[21:19] <luxio> How do I add something to the list of programs that comes up when I press the "show applications" button in the dock?
[21:19] <b3h3m0th> if you don't intend to use nVIDIA on your Ubuntu, you can install a tool called Bumblebee to switch to your intel graphics
[21:20] <zteam> pragmaticenigma, yes, I understand, I'm just wondering if is supposed to auto detect such, or if there is any settings to toggle for it :-)
[21:20] <kostkon> luxio, create a desktop file for it
[21:21] <b3h3m0th> Or maybe leave it as vendor itself.
[21:21] <b3h3m0th> If one of the configs, you will see a new folder created in the /sys/class/backlight folder
[21:21] <albertoiNET> I changed grub file and I try the acpi_backlight to values like "none" "vendor" "native" and "video" and didn't work
[21:21] <albertoiNET> and then use update-grub of course
[21:22] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, it might be, it could be that the version from the repo is behind in version from what is released directly from Nvidia
[21:22] <luxio> kostkon: thank you, got it working
[21:23] <kostkon> luxio, that fast?
[21:23] <pragmaticenigma> unfortunately, installing Nvidia's driver from nvidia directly isn't something we can support since it's 3rd party
[21:23] <luxio> kostkon: yeah found a premade desktop file for it on google
[21:23] <b3h3m0th> albertoiNET: actually keep it as acpi_backlight=vendor itself
[21:23] <kostkon> luxio, oh ok. which app is it if im allowed to ask
[21:23] <luxio> kostkon: Android Studio
[21:24] <b3h3m0th> and albertoiNET pragmaticenigma, install nVIDIA provided driver itself and live in bliss, forgetting everything you know about software sanity :P
[21:25] <albertoiNET> xD I tryed nouveau and nvidia driver
[21:25] <b3h3m0th> If nothing works, set Torvalds showing his middle finger as the grub background and nVIDIA should obey.
[21:25] <albertoiNET> both drivers with the same result. negative
[21:25] <albertoiNET> xDDDD
[21:26] <kostkon> luxio, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[21:26] <zteam> pragmaticenigma, I'm well aware of that :-)
[21:26] <albertoiNET> god bless Tolvards
[21:26] <kostkon> luxio, no need to install it manually next time. or even now. your choice basically.
[21:26] <b3h3m0th> Can someone here suggest albertoiNET some modprobe technique to figure out if drivers are installed correctly?
[21:28] <zteam> albertoiNET, from a terminal just run   lsmod | grep nvidia too see if the nvidia driver is properly loaded
[21:28] <pragmaticenigma> actually b3h3m0th ... I found direct install from nVidia has cause me many issues... there is a Ubuntu developer contributed PPA where the default settings are better setup for integration with Ubuntu
[21:28] <kostkon> b3h3m0th, like the one that lists the modules that are currently loaded
[21:28] <zteam> b3h3m0th, it's just lsmod | grep nvidia from a terminal
[21:29] <kostkon> b3h3m0th, ?
[21:29] <kostkon> b3h3m0th, zteam gave it away it's lsmod
[21:29] <albertoiNET> this is my lsmod output
[21:29] <albertoiNET> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XRpCZC6BpM/
[21:29] <zteam> kostkon, sorry for that :D
[21:30] <kostkon> zteam, no, you did good
[21:30] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, you mean lspci -nnv
[21:31] <zteam> albertoiNET, your nvidia driver is loaded and running :-)
[21:33] <albertoiNET> yes :) but my eyes are blooding for the brighhtness. I create a bash script to use xrandr to control the brightness using command: xrandr --output DP-0 --brightness 0.50
[21:34] <b3h3m0th> xandr is able to control your brightness?
[21:34] <b3h3m0th> xrandr*
[21:34] <albertoiNET> it works, yes, and I added a sortcut in my keyboard, but... thats a workarround
[21:34] <albertoiNET> yes b3h3m0th
[21:34] <b3h3m0th> Oh, then that's good enough right?
[21:34] <zteam> pragmaticenigma, wouldn't that just report the the nvidia card itself, without considering if the driver is loaded properly?
[21:35] <zteam> kostkon, :-)
[21:35] <b3h3m0th> You can probably try to trace xrandr while you change brightness to figure out how it does it
[21:35] <b3h3m0th> strace for open syscall probably
[21:36] <albertoiNET> b3h3m0th, sometimes brightness change from 50% to 100%. That's really disgusting :(
[21:36] <b3h3m0th> to see if they're using something exposed on the filesystem
[21:36] <albertoiNET> so, thats not a great solution
[21:36] <b3h3m0th> there must be some max_brightness parameter
[21:36] <albertoiNET> max_brightness is 100
[21:37] <b3h3m0th> I wrote a custom program when I had this issue on my laptop and that just worked fine
[21:37] <albertoiNET> using xrandr also?
[21:39] <b3h3m0th> nope
[21:39] <b3h3m0th> using the file exposed in /sys fs
[21:39] <zteam> albertoiNET, just a thought out of the blue here: have you tried updating your kernel to mainstream kernel for example, that might fix the issue :-)
[21:40] <b3h3m0th> It was kind of lame, to write a program around it. Instead of writing a kernel module.
[21:40] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, it will include a line that indicates the driver in use
[21:41] <albertoiNET> yes zteam . Have you tried to read my askubuntu? xD https://askubuntu.com/questions/1010405/the-brightness-of-laptop-screen-cannot-be-adjusted-with-either-the-buttons-or-th
[21:41] <b3h3m0th> Wouldn't be there any testing IOCTLs to figure out if his nVIDIA driver is responding to anything?
[21:41] <albertoiNET> I tried the main upstream mainline kernel
[21:41] <b3h3m0th> Do you need nVIDIA on Ubuntu?
[21:42] <b3h3m0th> If not disable it
[21:42] <b3h3m0th> Then your intel can takeover and it should work fine
[21:42] <albertoiNET> I'm only one GPU
[21:42] <albertoiNET> only nvidia, I dont have intel card
[21:42] <zteam> albertoiNET, no I didn't, since I don't have that particular issue myself :-)
[21:42] <b3h3m0th> you're on AMD processor?
[21:43] <albertoiNET> intel processor
[21:43] <b3h3m0th> I thought all intel processors have GPUs as well.
[21:43] <b3h3m0th> which is your processor model?
[21:44] <b3h3m0th> If nVIDIA is in fact your only GPU, then the very fact that you have a GUI up and running means that you have nVIDIA working just fine.
[21:44] <nacc> b3h3m0th: could be using nouveau and not the binary driver, it depends on the goal
[21:44] <albertoiNET> i7 sprectre, meltdown,... xD
[21:45] <b3h3m0th> you should be having intel graphics then
[21:45] <b3h3m0th> integrated
[21:45] <albertoiNET> really?
[21:46] <albertoiNET> but in bios it will be show up, but not appear
[21:46] <b3h3m0th> lshw does not show anything?
[21:47] <albertoiNET> If I had two cards, BIOS should show it. but no
[21:47] <arooni> how can i list *all* env variables
[21:47] <b3h3m0th> arooni: env
[21:47] <zteam> could be under lspci as well :)
[21:47] <b3h3m0th> zteam:  really?
[21:47] <b3h3m0th> integrated graphics is not connected via PCI right?
[21:48] <pragmaticenigma> albertoiNET, please pastebin the output of the command "lspci -nnv" for us. that will help us figure out what graphics are and are not in your computer as well as what drivers are in use
[21:49] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, Many of the recent processors intel produces have GPUs integrated, however it is possible that the processor doesn't or the manufacture decided not to connect those pinouts, thus rendering it unused
[21:49] <zteam> b3h3m0th, well from my experience some built-in soundcards show up under lspci despite being integrated into the mainboard at least :-)
[21:49] <albertoiNET> here you are pragmaticenigma https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3jfFycVhKM/
[21:50] <TJ-> Is there an xterm escape code/key-binding that can disable right-mouse context menu?
[21:50] <mattfly> hello, is there any way to install opencv c++ 3.3.0 libraries and headers without having compile it?
[21:50] <pragmaticenigma> lspci lists all things connected to the PCI bus... which includes integrated components
[21:50] <albertoiNET> I think that video driver an audio driver is in the same pci bus
[21:50] <albertoiNET> but I have only one Graphic card
[21:52] <b3h3m0th> pragmaticenigma:  why are integrated devices connected to PCI bus?
[21:52] <WorldGenesis[v]> so i learned that modifying /sys/class/backlight/ was kind of a bad idea on my macbook XD
[21:52] <mattfly> really hate having to conmpile all all the time and getting all the dependencies manually
[21:52] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, why not, it's cheaper
[21:52] <mattfly> I should go back to slacware
[21:53] <pragmaticenigma> b3h3m0th, that's an pc archetecture question and a bit out of scope here
[21:53] <zteam> b3h3m0th, I don't think they really are, I just think it's the way the kernel detects them, but I could be wrong about that
[21:53] <kostkon> zteam, they are
[21:54] <b3h3m0th> Does iGPU mean on-mainboard or within CPU die? :/
[21:54] <kostkon> zteam, some even use the usb bus, e.g. web cameras and even an internal ps/2 bus for the touchpad
[21:54] <kostkon> and keyboard
[21:54] <b3h3m0th> I thought it was directly connected to the northbridge
[21:55] <b3h3m0th> the integrated GPU I mean
[21:55] <pragmaticenigma> To make things simple, it's easier to route both periphials and integrated components through the same PCI bus. That way custom drivers don't need to be written for the different configurations... thus saving money
[21:56] <TJ-> Most major hardware is connected via PCI if it needs to memory-map it's IO or is intregrated into the CPU or PCH/south-brdige; other intergrated devices will connect on USB, and some slower devices may well use SPI (Serial Peripheral Interface)
[21:56] <bonkano> Hi guys, after apt update && upgrade && dist-upgrade from my ubuntu 17.04, my system can't start
[21:56] <zteam> kostkon, I stand corrected then. I know for instance that linux did list some SATA-harddrives as SCSI or PATA ones, a long time ago, but that may have changed :)
[21:56] <bonkano> I've got a black csree
[21:57] <TJ-> But the USB host controllers will be connected via PCI so in the end almost every device has a path via PCI at some point
[21:57] <zteam> bonkano, hold down shift right before the ubuntu logo and try a older kernel :)
[21:57] <bonkano> a black screen at startup with /dev/sda7 clean xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxblocks
[21:57] <bonkano> I need help, please
[21:58] <b3h3m0th> As per this, the integrated graphics is not connected via PCI right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Intel_5_Series_architecture.png
[21:58] <zteam> bonkano, did you try my tip? :)
[21:58] <kostkon> bonkano, that's normal. but what happens after that? nothing?
[21:58] <bonkano> nothing
[21:58] <kostkon> bonkano, wait, 17.04?
[21:59] <bonkano> ztean, i did not understand your tip
[21:59] <b3h3m0th> iGPU use DMI instead of PCIe?
[21:59] <TJ-> b3h3m0th: yes, the iGPU connects via PCI-E
[21:59] <bonkano> English is not my language but I try to speak it as i can
[22:00] <b3h3m0th> But the diagram shows it as DMI TJ-
[22:00] <zteam> bonkano, if you restart your computer, hold down shift, right after the computer logo, and try to boot a older kernel
[22:01] <b3h3m0th> TJ-:  or is it that iGPU is connected to south bridge which has DMI to the CPI die?
[22:01] <bonkano> ok i'm trying your tip
[22:02] <TJ-> bonkano: DMI is a specialised wrapper around PCI-E
[22:02] <b3h3m0th> Oh!
[22:03] <kostkon> bonkano, you'll need to upgrade to a supported release though
[22:03] <b3h3m0th> THat's brand new information
[22:03] <TJ-> b3h3m0th: if you're interested here's an overview of DMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Media_Interface
[22:03] <albertoiNET> ummm
[22:04] <b3h3m0th> It says "DMI shares many characteristics with PCI Express"
[22:04] <bonkano> ubuntu logo appears and nothings
[22:04] <b3h3m0th> I wonder why lspci has to list iGPUs still
[22:05] <b3h3m0th> given it's not the actual PCIe wiring
[22:08] <albertoiNET> see you tomorrow
[22:11] <bonkano> I need help
[22:14] <zteam> bonkano, you need to give more info, do you use the the nvidia driver?, are you sure you have free diskspace left on your harddrive? (yes too little space can prevent your system from booting correctly too
[22:19] <bonkano> for nvidia, I dont know
[22:19] <bonkano> I have Intel processor
[22:20] <bonkano> I'll check if I have free disk space
[22:21] <pragmaticenigma> bonkano, You'll need to upgrade your computer to a supported version of Ubuntu. Ubuntu 17.04 is no longer supported. You will either need to upgrade to ubuntu 17.10 or downgrade to 16.04.
[22:22] <zteam> well if you didn't install any nvidia driver yourself, you are not using one
[22:22] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, they're on an unsupported version of ubuntu... they will have to move their machine to a supported version of ubuntu before we can provide assistance
[22:24] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, there is a good chance that they are using unsupported PPAs that installed an incompatible package which has caused this problem. As Ubuntu 17.04 is not receiving anymore updates.
[22:26] <zteam> pragmaticenigma, well, in that case, we can't really give them to much support other than advicing them to use ppa-purge
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, we cannot offer them support because they are on 17.04... that is no longer supported
[22:28] <pragmaticenigma> !zesty | zteam
[22:29] <weaksauce> is there a dos to unix line endings utility
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[22:29] <nacc> !info dos2unix | weaksauce
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> thanks nacc
[22:29] <weaksauce> thanks
[22:31] <zteam> pragmaticenigma, sure, I get your view, still we could try to give them some basic troubleshooting tips, althought I don't believe we should put too much effort into it
[22:33] <pragmaticenigma> zteam, it's best not to start, it can set a bad example and create hostility that we helpped one person with their issue and not someone else. We offered as much help as we can to attempt to get them a working machine so they might be able to get up and running enough to do the upgrade.
[22:35] <zteam> pragmaticenigma, maybe you are right about that :)
[22:35] <zteam> well time to sleep, see you around people
[22:59] <mustmodify_> weirdest thing... SCP sayis it's working. -v says "Transferred: sent 2560, received 2632 bytes, in 0.1 seconds". But no file on the other end.
[23:02] <Jordan_U> mustmodify_: What is the exact scp command you're running. How are you checking for the file?
[23:04] <mustmodify_> Turns out SCP doesn't work if your shell sends back any text. but it says it works, which is unfortunate.
[23:05] <bonkano> how solve /dev/sda7 clean xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx blocks from ubuntu 17.04
[23:06] <MeaCulpa> can anyone tell me if there are potential advantages from upgrading the kernel when everything is working ok. Or I'm better to leave things as they are?
[23:08] <guiverc> MeaCulpa, I'd not go to a later kernel if everything works fine.  Supported kernels have bug fixes backported so security is pretty much covered. Later device support is main benefit
[23:08] <quark> MeaCulpa: I think ubuntu does not replace the old kernel, so if things go wrong you can always boot with the old one
[23:08] <ghutzriop> I'm not interested in installing ubuntu atm, but I'm curious if the current default installation comes with thumbnail support in the gtk filepicker.
[23:09] <MeaCulpa> do kernels update automatically when they are considered to be stable?
[23:09] <MeaCulpa> thanks for responding quark
[23:10] <ghutzriop> MeaCulpa, improved power management and better performance(for example with graphics drivers) might be other advantages
[23:10] <MeaCulpa> and quiverc :)
[23:10] <MeaCulpa> thanks
[23:14] <samthewildone> I'm trying to compile a program and I'm getting this message, I have no idea what it means. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TtCfRRn7Hp/
[23:15] <quark> samthewildone: what software are you trying to compile?
[23:15] <nacc> samthewildone: you should probably ask the Tether developers
[23:15] <nacc> samthewildone: it's a bug in their scripting
[23:18] <samthewildone> blurp...
[23:18] <samthewildone> :|
[23:18] <samthewildone> it's tether-android
[23:18] <samthewildone> hm, let me see if I could comment out the function within the code
[23:18] <samthewildone> ^ most likely will lead to more errors.
[23:18] <samthewildone> nacc, I think your option is better.
[23:19] <nacc> samthewildone: yeah, don't do that :)
[23:19] <nacc> samthewildone: it's failing to parse the gcc version, if i had to guess
[23:24] <lighthunter> Does anyone happen to have any suggestions on getting audio working over HDMI on an Optimus laptop (hybrid NVIDIA/Intel graphics)? i have documented what i have tried so far at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1008599/no-audio-over-hdmi-on-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti.
[23:33] <andre> HI
[23:35] <Guest94058> Hello. I am online, if someone needs some help with R, I am available...
[23:35] <Guest94058> I am Andre, I would like to say...
[23:36] <nacc> Guest94058: that's not really how this channel works (this is not an R specific channel, this is an Ubuntu support channel). There is probably an R channel
[23:36] <Guest94058> Ok. Thanks for the information, nacc.
[23:37] <Kumool> Guest94058, /nick Andreorsomething
[23:37] <Kumool> to change your nick
[23:37] <Kumool> also /join #r  Guest94058
[23:43] <rhoks> hey guys is it okay if I remove xserver-xorg-input-all and reboot and reinstall it, or will it do damage
[23:46] <frad> I copied 300GB of data into a 1TB external hdd. Copied it all, moments later the hdd's icon disappeared from the screen. Gparted od lsblk didnt showed the unit either. Turned the computer off, restared, plugged hdd in, it didnt mount, no icon popped up, neither do gparted of lsblk show the unit
[23:46] <frad> the unit spins though
[23:46] <frad> help appreciated
[23:48] <pragmaticenigma> rhoks, why do you think you need to remove that package?
[23:49] <pragmaticenigma> frad, It's possible the external HDD has failed. Does it work if you plug it into another computer?
[23:49] <frad> i dont have another computer
[23:49] <rhoks> pragmaticenigma: because I disabled my mousepad/touchpad by the keyboard combination to do so and can't re-enable it, so maybe that will help
[23:50] <frad> is it normel for units to fail after having copied a ton of data?
[23:50] <rhoks> assuming input-all will also remove input-libinput too
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> rhoks, I don't believe you will need to resintall that package... there is probably a better way to get you mousepad working agin
[23:51] <rhoks> oh
[23:51] <rhoks> pragmaticenigma: cool
[23:51] <lighthunter> can anyone recommend a channel to ask about NVIDIA/Optimus audio or graphics issues? (c.f., https://askubuntu.com/questions/1008599/no-audio-over-hdmi-on-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti)
[23:51] <pragmaticenigma> rhoks, it's more likely a configuration issue... I'm not certain exactly what the fix might be at the moment, be patient and I'll look or someone else may try to help
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | lighthunter
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> rhoks, take a look at this article, let us know if that helps or not and we can go from there: https://askubuntu.com/questions/335317/deactivated-touchpad-how-to-activate
[23:54] <lighthunter> i realize that nobody who has read my question likely knows the answer to it, pragmaticenigma; i am simply wondering if there is another venue i can try.
[23:55] <kasper3> hi i installed all dev packages of clang/llvm/lldb 6.0 from http://apt.llvm.org/, but couldn't find LLDB.h which used to be there in all previous versions of lldb. is it a packaging bug?
[23:55] <lighthunter> (I have already tried the venues suggested by the bot.)
[23:55] <kasper3> it seems to be present in sources: https://github.com/llvm-mirror/lldb/blob/release_60/include/lldb/API/LLDB.h
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> lighthunter, have you tried the step in this article? https://itsfoss.com/how-to-fix-no-sound-through-hdmi-in-external-monitor-in-ubuntu/
[23:56] <lighthunter> yes
[23:56] <lighthunter> i have spent weeks on this issue.
[23:57] <nacc> kasper3: that would be a question for llvm.org, right?
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> lighthunter, the reason I sent the "patience" to you was because you effectively asked your question shortly after the first. while they may not be the exact same, it may take a while for someone with knowledge to respond. Continuing to ask questions about the issue clutters the room and makes it difficult to help others
[23:59] <kasper3> nacc: already asked in #llvm, thought someone in #ubuntu might have observed it and knows a workaround etc.