| sorat | hi | 03:25 |
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| flocculant | b1 release tomorrow (Friday) | 05:31 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: early indications are an old name returning and a couple of new ones on the tracker | 05:39 |
| flocculant | Unit193: you any idea why lightdm-gtk=-greeter would be complaining about upstart? and if it'd slow desktop arrival at all? | 05:40 |
| Unit193 | There was something recently in one of the packages about upgrades, likely in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* stuff. | 05:42 |
| flocculant | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/trjGhTGmbP/ | 05:45 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: looks like that's some fallback code to launch indicators in older releases of ubuntu. Shouldn't cause the slowdown, and as you can see by the timestamps, it keeps going | 10:46 |
| bluesabre | The rest of that is GTK's ongoing debug output to developers spamming users | 10:48 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: don't suppose you know if the other *buntus are having the first login slowness? | 10:49 |
| bluesabre | it takes forever to get to ubiquity, so I'm thinking it might be not just us | 10:50 |
| bluesabre | also glad that the b1 release is tomorrow... want to document what's new so blogs don't just write us off | 10:51 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: and yeah, also of note that 32bit gets no attention at all | 10:52 |
| bluesabre | I also wonder if iso.qa's display is part of the problem. "5/5 completed", "oh good, they got their testers" | 10:53 |
| knome | maybe | 10:53 |
| knome | (hello) | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | hiya knome | 10:54 |
| knome | stomach bug almost beaten | 10:54 |
| bluesabre | almost yay | 10:55 |
| slickymasterWork | that's good news knome | 10:56 |
| slickymasterWork | and morning both | 10:56 |
| knome | hello slickymasterWork | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | hey there slickymasterWork | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | knome, flocculant, thoughts on having an interesting and informative release note for bionic? Currently drafting up a general format here https://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1804-release | 12:10 |
| bluesabre | It would 1) make our release more interesting for users, and 2) give our testers an idea of where to look for issues | 12:11 |
| bluesabre | and if so, can I include it on the b1 note if I finish writing it up tonight? :) | 12:12 |
| knome | bluesabre, commented on the pad | 12:16 |
| knome | do we have anything else to mention about xfce getting forward? | 12:17 |
| slickymasterWork | I'd remove the 'and' in (and formerly GNOME 2) | 12:18 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, jfdi :P | 12:19 |
| bluesabre | knome: we will, not written it yet, https://imgur.com/a/iLjym | 12:19 |
| slickymasterWork | nasty knome :P | 12:19 |
| knome | yes... | 12:19 |
| bluesabre | for reference, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes | 12:21 |
| bluesabre | and a summary, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bMeZ8YbhFYJvkVpu2V_LGCWRT4oc1bBReGVJ57HbQqs/edit?usp=sharing | 12:27 |
| knome | that's a lot of links | 12:28 |
| knome | well done | 12:28 |
| bluesabre | some mornings are more productive than others :) | 12:28 |
| knome | bluesabre, you have my permission to do things you want with the b1 release notes | 12:43 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: yep - release note works for me - finish writing it up, ping bashfulrobot in -release with the location of it so that IT is the B1 release note - means I don't have to try to get that done tonight | 17:46 |
| flocculant | ack re fallback code | 17:46 |
| flocculant | not sure if other *buntus have the problem - but I can certainly find out - I'll start with Ubuntu | 17:47 |
| flocculant | re iso.qa - yea I've wondered that in the past ... I'll drop a note to m/l's re it | 17:47 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: re pad - things new that are now gtk3? maybe highlight that - for the last while we've been saying Xfce have been porting things to gtk3 - so we've not got much different | 17:50 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: re pinging bashfulrobot, when you know what rn link will be - put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta1 | 17:54 |
| knome | slickymasterWork, how does your schedule look tomorrow post-dinner? | 18:10 |
| slickymasterWork | wide open, so we can do some work | 18:16 |
| knome | good | 18:17 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: sent something about tracker with a pic | 18:19 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: bug 1705243 is that actually expected behaviour? | 19:11 |
| ubottu | bug 1705243 in parole "Play button inactive" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705243 | 19:11 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: more re rn you want to do - you can add https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes if you want - it'll get updated shortlyish | 19:59 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: figured out a good way of fixing the default look of the greeter window also with adwaita: http://i.imgur.com/X3ogKVD.png | 20:43 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - I grabbed looby lou, budgie and mate. None are slow to desktop. I can only confirm it with xubuntu | 21:15 |
| flocculant | unfortunately ... | 21:15 |
| ochosi | meh, that sucks | 21:20 |
| ochosi | so something in our session is dragging us down..? | 21:21 |
| ochosi | is that a recent issue? | 21:21 |
| flocculant | ochosi: nope - I've been talking about it for months | 21:22 |
| knome | pleia2, there was an interesting (in a way) mail about xubuntu derivatives on -contacts, we need to reply to that soon | 21:23 |
| knome | (the reply is mostly uninteresting) | 21:24 |
| flocculant | evening knq | 21:24 |
| flocculant | fail | 21:24 |
| flocculant | knome :p | 21:25 |
| ochosi | flocculant: sry, must've slipped by me | 21:25 |
| flocculant | np | 21:25 |
| ochosi | isn't there a systemd profiling thingy which tells you what took how long at startup? | 21:26 |
| ochosi | (that may include the session lag) | 21:26 |
| flocculant | didn't last time I checked | 21:26 |
| flocculant | ochosi: it doesn't however appear to be a constant issue - just first time | 21:26 |
| ochosi | hm | 21:27 |
| flocculant | if I was waiting for 90s everytime I booted my machine - I'd have installed something else in November :D | 21:27 |
| ochosi | lol | 21:28 |
| flocculant | I'll re-re-re-reinstall vanilla xub and check systemd-analyze again | 21:28 |
| flocculant | *nowish* | 21:29 |
| ochosi | awesome | 21:30 |
| ochosi | thanks a bunch | 21:30 |
| flocculant | np ofc :) | 21:31 |
| flocculant | longest bit of doing this - is waiting for the usb to be done ;) | 21:31 |
| ochosi | hehe | 21:31 |
| ochosi | any more bugs on our side you know of that need ironing out? | 21:31 |
| flocculant | not that jump out at me | 21:32 |
| flocculant | I find it harder and harder to know - more stuff from ppa's and git make it awkward to know what others see :) | 21:33 |
| ochosi | welcome to my world ;) | 21:33 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 21:33 |
| * ochosi whispers: you're drifting towards arch... | 21:33 | |
| flocculant | nah - if I get that far I'll just move back to a vanilla install and start drifting again :D | 21:34 |
| flocculant | bbs - booting to live again | 21:35 |
| ochosi | flocculant: i presume this one can be closed as fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1652933 | 21:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1652933 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "Application Tab list too small when run from Settings dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:45 |
| ochosi | (still linked to our bugs blueprint) | 21:45 |
| ochosi | (at least this works fine for me) | 21:46 |
| ochosi | knome: isn't this done and inprogress already? https://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-b-community | 21:48 |
| ochosi | or in fact done and done | 21:48 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea you can close that | 21:56 |
| flocculant | clearing the bug bp is on my radar when I do the release note | 21:56 |
| ochosi | alrighty | 21:56 |
| ochosi | just decided to go through the bps now a bit | 21:56 |
| flocculant | ochosi: systemd-blame things - and stopwatch timings for a vanilla install and my usual install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YPNCQ2Nd2B/ | 21:58 |
| flocculant | and ack that :) | 21:58 |
| flocculant | lost the will to live timing the live with a stopwatch last time - wasn't in the frame of mind to try again :p | 21:59 |
| flocculant | Unit193: from post #7 down from kerry_s > re core https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2386532&p=13746559&viewfull=1#post13746559 | 22:02 |
| ochosi | the times don't really add up for me | 22:02 |
| flocculant | systemd ones? | 22:02 |
| ochosi | with vanilla you write 30 secs, but systemd tells us about roughly 9 | 22:02 |
| flocculant | yup | 22:03 |
| ochosi | ok, so then the conclusion is that systemd analyze doesn't help in this case | 22:03 |
| flocculant | yea | 22:03 |
| flocculant | just brb - check the second login times to the vanilla install | 22:04 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ok so 2nd login to that install and I see times more or less the same as this install - eg what I'd expect | 22:06 |
| Unit193 | Oh strange, and I see slick mentioned the try vs install, that's usually where the problem stands. | 22:06 |
| flocculant | so something goes on for the 1st ever login - that takes an age | 22:06 |
| flocculant | Unit193:ack | 22:07 |
| flocculant | ochosi: if I was me me - not me Xubuntu QA expecting this - I'd boot the usb find it taking ages, assume somethign wrong with the stick, do it all again - see the same thing - perhaps wait the 2nd time - see it taking ages to do anything and likely go elsewhere | 22:08 |
| flocculant | ochosi: re bugs you're seeing comment earlier - not often seeing it now, but some are > the double net indicator thing | 22:13 |
| ochosi | ah right | 22:13 |
| flocculant | I'm assuming we're still not sure what etc | 22:13 |
| ochosi | i remember, you mentioned that a few times | 22:13 |
| flocculant | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1685502/comments/4 | 22:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1685502 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Network manager icon appears twice on start up, from time to time" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:13 |
| ochosi | seems to be a race condition that is probably not fully under our control | 22:13 |
| flocculant | yea | 22:13 |
| ochosi | hopefully sn-plugin will make a difference there | 22:13 |
| ochosi | or are you using that already? | 22:14 |
| flocculant | it's installed but not in panel | 22:14 |
| flocculant | but I've not seen it for a while iirc | 22:14 |
| flocculant | when I *did* restarting panel/networky things made no difference | 22:15 |
| flocculant | in 17.10 it stopped it | 22:15 |
| flocculant | anyway - kind of cosmetic imo really | 22:15 |
| ochosi | yeah, but not pretty | 22:16 |
| ochosi | because very prominent | 22:16 |
| flocculant | aah yes - I think I have ind-plugin to see tbird on panel | 22:17 |
| flocculant | aaah | 22:17 |
| flocculant | with sn-plugin and notifications - 2 net icons | 22:18 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: have day off tomorrow - out for a few hours midday ish - should be back in time to get the techy note up together | 22:21 |
| ochosi | you have to hide "application indicators" in the indicator plugin | 22:22 |
| ochosi | then they shouldn't be visible there | 22:23 |
| ochosi | so only once | 22:23 |
| flocculant | in sn-plugin? | 22:23 |
| flocculant | I don't have extra net in ind-plugin even though it's not hidden | 22:24 |
| flocculant | in sn-plugin it's showing net manager applet | 22:25 |
| flocculant | that's just bizarre - only 1 net icon now | 22:25 |
| flocculant | giving up for Thursday - night all :) | 22:26 |
| slickymaster | nighty night flocculant | 22:29 |
| ochosi | same here, night all | 22:36 |
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| bluesabre | evening all | 23:04 |
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